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Post by speak on Nov 5, 2018 0:22:22 GMT -5
If GS tries to push the line that victims should just suffer injustice, he will soon find out that the Australian Government will not accept it. The Government is stepping in and making sure that the Church can no longer protect unjust persons within its ranks. Those who try to practice that will also be locked up. If if if if if if if if if and if
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 0:41:00 GMT -5
If those teenage children were that old before parents left, then if it's meant to be, they'll remember the twoXTwo church, but hopefully with decent memory.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 0:42:33 GMT -5
If your post is correct, openingact, the workers church is becoming more 'man' controlled, not Christ controlled. A worrying sign in more ways than one. In some places it's been that way for a time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 1:26:34 GMT -5
If GS tries to push the line that victims should just suffer injustice, he will soon find out that the Australian Government will not accept it. The Government is stepping in and making sure that the Church can no longer protect unjust persons within its ranks. Those who try to practice that will also be locked up. If if if if if if if if if and if Speak it is a big if, he will need to change his attitude from the time he was in your country, after Graham Thompson spoke out. Lets hope he has learnt since then, or he will have the law to deal with.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 5, 2018 1:42:02 GMT -5
If GS tries to push the line that victims should just suffer injustice, he will soon find out that the Australian Government will not accept it. The Government is stepping in and making sure that the Church can no longer protect unjust persons within its ranks. Those who try to practice that will also be locked up. If if if if if if if if if and if I only heard one "if". Do you not believe the government would do such a thing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 2:20:46 GMT -5
Bob it has already happened, the precedent is there.
The most senior Catholic in the world to be convicted of concealing child sex abuse, Adelaide's Archbishop Philip Wilson, has been sentenced to 12 months' detention. Archbishop Wilson has appealed the sentence, awaiting court hearing.
2x2 Overseers will also have to comply or get locked up. GS will not be able to avoid the law.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 3:34:43 GMT -5
The way forward seems to be to have an all Australian workers' conference to speak to all workers at large. But a gathering of a few days is going to have limited impact on cultural and doctrinal issues that have been deeply entrenched for decades. Having an all workers' conference seems a very reasonable step to take. Graham will not be expecting to make a great impact on doctrinal issues during this initial meeting with workers in Australia. He does things over time.
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Post by ellie on Nov 5, 2018 3:36:49 GMT -5
Maybe his role here is to amalgamate the states and territories permanently. Workers are thin on the ground, and the resources could be used more efficiently if the country operated as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 3:38:43 GMT -5
The changes implemented after Graham Snow consolidates power will probably focus on: 1) Stopping the practice of taking bread and wine at conventions (outside a home). This is a disconnect with the rest of the world that some workers are very distressed about. 2) Reinforcing the standards on hair, dress, and appearance. Some friends from Australia and the US are causing a great deal of controversy when they visit other countries 3) Social media ban for friends and workers. This is starting in other countries like the Phillipines first. But one the overseer reveals, this will eventually go worldwide "We want to be in unity with our brethren around the world in our stand on matters such as this." You clearly don't know Graham Snow. None of your 'list of 3' will be focused on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 3:50:42 GMT -5
If GS tries to push the line that victims should just suffer injustice, He won't. Like most of us, Graham has learned more about csa over the course of his lifetime. He has also discussed the matter openly and credibly in overseer meetings elsewhere. No 'burying heads in the sand' there.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 5, 2018 3:53:18 GMT -5
Maybe his role here is to amalgamate the states and territories permanently. Workers are thin on the ground, and the resources could be used more efficiently if the country operated as a whole. I agree ellie, but I really don't see it happening. I don't see the sense of having the Head Worker of Australia in Perth either, there is enough division between the Eastern states and WA as it is, also considering that most of the F&W are on the Eastern side of Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 3:54:44 GMT -5
2x2 Overseers will also have to comply or get locked up. GS will not be able to avoid the law. He won't try to. Not all overseers are dumb.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 5, 2018 5:02:51 GMT -5
Bob it has already happened, the precedent is there. The most senior Catholic in the world to be convicted of concealing child sex abuse, Adelaide's Archbishop Philip Wilson, has been sentenced to 12 months' detention. Archbishop Wilson has appealed the sentence, awaiting court hearing. 2x2 Overseers will also have to comply or get locked up. GS will not be able to avoid the law. Of course. Then why all the if's? Every if has consequences. I was afraid you were intimating that the likelihood of anyone reporting on GR was very slim. I think the days when that was a likelihood have about passed now.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Nov 5, 2018 5:40:15 GMT -5
It would appear that ALL churches have failed badly in respect to CSA.
It is also apparent that most, not all, have learnt a very poignant message and I believe that the friend and workers have learned that lesson.
CSA is abhorrent. Evil.
The Church of England has had more than their share of shame.
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Post by daft on Nov 5, 2018 9:29:07 GMT -5
If your post is correct, openingact, the workers church is becoming more 'man' controlled, not Christ controlled. A worrying sign in more ways than one. The New Testament Church is control by the Holy Spirit and He is in charge, and looked the oversight of things on the earth until Jesus returns as KING of kings and LORD of Lords. Don't worry, things will turn around eventually.... God is purifying the Ministry and His people just like He cleansed the 7 churches in Revelation.
The Fire of God doesn't harm the gold. The gold is NOT afraid of the fire! The Fire purify the gold, and it brings the DROSS, the unclean things to the surface.You should apply to be the spokesperson for Donald Trump.
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Post by nathan on Nov 5, 2018 11:27:09 GMT -5
The New Testament Church is control by the Holy Spirit and He is in charge, and looked the oversight of things on the earth until Jesus returns as KING of kings and LORD of Lords. Don't worry, things will turn around eventually.... God is purifying the Ministry and His people just like He cleansed the 7 churches in Revelation.
The Fire of God doesn't harm the gold. The gold is NOT afraid of the fire! The Fire purify the gold, and it brings the DROSS, the unclean things to the surface. You should apply to be the spokesperson for Donald Trump. ** Haha.. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Post by speak on Nov 5, 2018 11:50:05 GMT -5
The changes implemented after Graham Snow consolidates power will probably focus on: 1) Stopping the practice of taking bread and wine at conventions (outside a home). This is a disconnect with the rest of the world that some workers are very distressed about. 2) Reinforcing the standards on hair, dress, and appearance. Some friends from Australia and the US are causing a great deal of controversy when they visit other countries 3) Social media ban for friends and workers. This is starting in other countries like the Phillipines first. But one the overseer reveals, this will eventually go worldwide "We want to be in unity with our brethren around the world in our stand on matters such as this." You clearly don't know Graham Snow. None of your 'list of 3' will be focused on. You are so correct, they clearly don't know him one jot.
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Post by speak on Nov 5, 2018 23:03:01 GMT -5
If he can effect any changes, then kudos to him, but Robbie Deans couldn’t do it with the Wallabies? Entrenched egos, outsider resentment, unused to being told what to do, resentment of higher authority.....all marks that should be foreign to “humble servants” Anyway, the heavy hitter has been sent in, so it’s Front Row Seats, and pass the popcorn! So does that mean GS is Cheika?! He should be accepted no matter what being as we are in the same fellowship.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 6, 2018 1:27:52 GMT -5
If he can effect any changes, then kudos to him, but Robbie Deans couldn’t do it with the Wallabies? Entrenched egos, outsider resentment, unused to being told what to do, resentment of higher authority.....all marks that should be foreign to “humble servants” Anyway, the heavy hitter has been sent in, so it’s Front Row Seats, and pass the popcorn! So does that mean GS is Cheika?! Stand by for the tantrums.
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Post by sauerkraut on Nov 6, 2018 18:38:34 GMT -5
If he starts trotting this stuff out, he will become unglued very quickly. Leity are not called to do what Jesus did, otherwise, there would have been no need for him to do what he did. Leity have every right to want Justice to not only be done, but seen to be done. To think otherwise is to give license to anyone to perpetrate and/or commit acts that are not just. Simple. And this sort of stuff does not need Bible based stuff to back it up, just an IQ greater than 70!
There is a convention gem in there somewhere...."False religions need people with IQs over 70. God's people just need to be willing forgive a child predator 70 times 7." yes, forgive them, but don't keep them in the work!!!!!!!!! if you had a friend or relation or know some one who is honestly and sincerely seeking after God, would you point them to a group or church that deliberately sends out and keeps and protects kiddy-fiddlers and womanizers ( to put it mildly) in the ministry?? you would have to be crazy
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Post by sauerkraut on Nov 6, 2018 19:02:55 GMT -5
when the sons of Eli carried on and did the wrong thing, it says that men abhorred the offering of the Lord ,they turned away in disgust, today I am one of those, that is turning away in disgust because of the carry- on of the modern-day sons of Eli
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Post by alistairhenderson on Nov 6, 2018 20:30:40 GMT -5
Sauerkraut - forgive me as I cannot recall (a while since I've been on here). Are you still a 'meetings' person (what I mean is, is that your default church, assuming you don't go anywhere else as yet - not assuming you will go anywhere else of course).
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Post by sauerkraut on Nov 6, 2018 21:17:17 GMT -5
Sauerkraut - forgive me as I cannot recall (a while since I've been on here). Are you still a 'meetings' person (what I mean is, is that your default church, assuming you don't go anywhere else as yet - not assuming you will go anywhere else of course). hi, i've sent you a PM
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 6, 2018 21:58:12 GMT -5
But it's not a church. On a slightly different tack. If it's not a church and therefore not registered as a charity, then doex it pay tax on income and if not, why not.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 6, 2018 23:44:51 GMT -5
Hi Ross, I was being slightly cynical. I know that's not like me so you possibly missed it.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Nov 7, 2018 6:07:57 GMT -5
Ross I also have family who profess. I generally am not privy to too much information. Far far less than you are able to glean.
My reference to C of E is a reference to the fact that your church has its fair share of problems in the area of CSA.
I trust you are just as zealous in ensuring your church is rid of these horrible people as you are of making accusations against the friends and workers church.
Sometimes I consider your comments are extremely elitist and very condescending against people who, like you, believe in God and Jesus and do try to be very faithful and live good productive lives.
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Post by nathan on Nov 7, 2018 11:06:21 GMT -5
I agree the workers in Australia must cooperate with the laws and the authority on CSA.
The Australians are strong wills, stubborn people, they don't like anyone tell them what to do or any laws to force on them to obey.
I hope the NEW overseer will be able to encourage his staff and the friends to obey the laws.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 7, 2018 11:46:19 GMT -5
I agree the workers in Australia must cooperate with the laws and the authority on CSA. The Austrlians are strong wils, stubborn people, they don't like anyone tell them what to do or any laws to force on them to obey. I hope the NEW overseer will be able to encourage his staff and the friends to obey the laws. What facts do you you base your comments about Australian people?
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