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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2017 1:58:05 GMT -5
Yes, the combined pill is quite successful at preventing ovulation. Fertile people engaging in contraceptive free coitus, however, results in fertilised ova. A high percentage of the resulting zygotes fail to successfully implant. In other words lots of dead zygotes. If the concept of dead zygotes upsets someone they'd have more peace of mind consuming the combined pill than having contraceptive free sex. i think a natural death is more preferable than a forced prevention to most people... Does that imply your think it's better for somone to have contraceptive free sex than to take the pill?
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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2017 1:58:25 GMT -5
Many friends do not live near universities. It's possible some of the rural friends don't feel comfortable with their 17-18 year olds moving to a city for study because of the influences there. Also the city friends have a reputation for being less "lagging". A distance education or regional university degree wouldn't raise too many eyebrows. Re women, some workers and possibly older folk see women focused on keeping a home ready for a worker bed and breakfast or meetings as the holy grail. If the education or career don't intrude on that then that's probably fine. Are all the Australian universities in big cities? Not all of them
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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2017 2:08:24 GMT -5
What was the source of the restriction? Who would ever know except possibly a girl's parents? I believe there was a time in this country when an underage girl had to have parent consent. It was talked about amongst parents who didn't want their daughters having sex before marriage. I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia.
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Post by friendly67 on Oct 26, 2017 2:13:14 GMT -5
Are all the Australian universities in big cities? Not all of them
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Post by friendly67 on Oct 26, 2017 2:16:59 GMT -5
I was amazed at my mother’s funeral in a University city how many young friends spoke of how she had helped them. They were mostly from the country and stayed in apartments, one for boys and one for girls. That represented a lot of young people who had gone to university,
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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2017 3:14:10 GMT -5
I was amazed at my mother’s funeral in a University city how many young friends spoke of how she had helped them. They were mostly from the country and stayed in apartments, one for boys and one for girls. That represented a lot of young people who had gone to university, I had a similar experience!! I was also warned in advance by one of the sister workers not to become like those worldly friends
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 26, 2017 5:11:42 GMT -5
It was talked about amongst parents who didn't want their daughters having sex before marriage. I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I think things have changed a lot since the 80's
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 11:11:46 GMT -5
i think a natural death is more preferable than a forced prevention to most people... Does that imply your think it's better for somone to have contraceptive free sex than to take the pill? its better for a husband and a wife to procreate in my eyes...unless there is a medical reason for the wife to not get pregnant...
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2017 11:23:37 GMT -5
How many children do you think they should have before they begin to prevent?
What about medical reasons for the man to not be able to get a woman pregnant? Why do you think it's only the woman who might not be able to?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 11:29:30 GMT -5
How many children do you think they should have before they begin to prevent? What about medical reasons for the man to not be able to get a woman pregnant? Why do you think it's only the woman who might not be able to? 3 is a good number but higher aint a problem my one grandma had 14 kids my other grandma had 7 narry a probelm... never suggested that... if you can't have kids then thats the hand your dealt unless you want to try invitro...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 26, 2017 13:01:06 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I think things have changed a lot since the 80's What are these harsh rules? I have never hear of these try before you buy ideas in NZ.
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Post by snow on Oct 26, 2017 17:58:24 GMT -5
Sorry Gene I should have clarified that ! It was to unmarried girls ! What was the source of the restriction? Who would ever know except possibly a girl's parents? I believe there was a time in this country when an underage girl had to have parent consent. That's exactly what I was wondering, how would anyone know. Other than parents that gave consent or your spouse or significant other it's no one else's business. Do people actually tell other people they are on the pill in ordinary conversation? I believe girls can now get the pill without parental consent now for that very reason that they might have parents that don't agree with it.
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Post by snow on Oct 26, 2017 18:02:21 GMT -5
How many children do you think they should have before they begin to prevent? What about medical reasons for the man to not be able to get a woman pregnant? Why do you think it's only the woman who might not be able to? 3 is a good number but higher aint a problem my one grandma had 14 kids my other grandma had 7 narry a probelm... never suggested that... if you can't have kids then thats the hand your dealt unless you want to try invitro... My birth grandmother had 14 children. She lived to be 97. For some it's fine and it should be an individual choice. The one thing I have concerns about is when someone is at great risk if they get pregnant again.
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Post by ellie on Oct 27, 2017 7:50:24 GMT -5
How many children do you think they should have before they begin to prevent? What about medical reasons for the man to not be able to get a woman pregnant? Why do you think it's only the woman who might not be able to? 3 is a good number but higher aint a problem my one grandma had 14 kids my other grandma had 7 narry a probelm... Good golly! That sounds too many. They couldn't all be getting a lot of quality parent time. One of my great-grandmother's died giving birth, and no where near the 7th kid. It's possible that your grandma's did have issues and that you haven't heard about them. Even today, you might be surprised by just how many women have experienced complications during pregnancy or childbirth.
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Post by ellie on Oct 27, 2017 7:50:56 GMT -5
What was the source of the restriction? Who would ever know except possibly a girl's parents? I believe there was a time in this country when an underage girl had to have parent consent. Do people actually tell other people they are on the pill in ordinary conversation? It's not that uncommon to talk about the brands of the pill and the good or bad side effects etc in conversation.
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Post by ellie on Oct 27, 2017 7:53:07 GMT -5
I think things have changed a lot since the 80's What are these harsh rules? I have never hear of these try before you buy ideas in NZ. The usual lifetime speaking ban for professing folk getting married to someone else while the first marital partner is alive.
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Post by fixit on Oct 27, 2017 12:53:50 GMT -5
It was talked about amongst parents who didn't want their daughters having sex before marriage. I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 16:32:21 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules). thats messed up thinking...
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Post by Gene on Oct 27, 2017 17:01:41 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules). thats messed up thinking... Maybe so, but it's also the logical outcome of a flawed system of reward and punishment. As they say in my field of work - (okay, as I say in my field of work) - show me how someone is paid, and I'll tell you how they will behave.
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Post by ellie on Oct 27, 2017 18:40:53 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules). Actually I think it was live together that I heard.
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Post by ellie on Oct 27, 2017 18:41:23 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules). thats messed up thinking... The living together vs the marriage are probably much of a muchness but it's the paper trail that will get you.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Oct 27, 2017 23:25:38 GMT -5
3 is a good number but higher aint a problem my one grandma had 14 kids my other grandma had 7 narry a probelm... Good golly! That sounds too many. They couldn't all be getting a lot of quality parent time. One of my great-grandmother's died giving birth, and no where near the 7th kid. It's possible that your grandma's did have issues and that you haven't heard about them. Even today, you might be surprised by just how many women have experienced complications during pregnancy or childbirth. And just how much "quality parent time" do you think most modern children of 1-2 child families raised in day care and public school with two parents working full-time away from home are getting? I suspect families like @wally's grandparents' did fine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 23:36:23 GMT -5
Good golly! That sounds too many. They couldn't all be getting a lot of quality parent time. One of my great-grandmother's died giving birth, and no where near the 7th kid. It's possible that your grandma's did have issues and that you haven't heard about them. Even today, you might be surprised by just how many women have experienced complications during pregnancy or childbirth. And just how much "quality parent time" do you think most modern children of 1-2 child families raised in day care and public school with two parents working full-time away from home are getting? I suspect families like @wally 's grandparents' did fine. they did pretty good only my father and a brother turned out to be losers...
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Oct 27, 2017 23:38:40 GMT -5
I've heard professing people say, with a hint of humour, that it is better for professing children to have sex before marriage than rush into a marriage because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules in Australia. I've heard professing people say, in all seriousness, that it is better for children of professing parents to live together instead of marrying (because of the harsh divorce plus second marriage rules). That someone could come up with that idea is probably very understandable from a natural human perspective. Jesus' disciples, too, thought it better not to marry when they heard his teaching against a second marriage after divorce. But there was no mention of living together in immorality as an alternative... Matthew 19:9-12:
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 28, 2017 0:20:28 GMT -5
Good golly! That sounds too many. They couldn't all be getting a lot of quality parent time. One of my great-grandmother's died giving birth, and no where near the 7th kid. It's possible that your grandma's did have issues and that you haven't heard about them. Even today, you might be surprised by just how many women have experienced complications during pregnancy or childbirth. And just how much "quality parent time" do you think most modern children of 1-2 child families raised in day care and public school with two parents working full-time away from home are getting? I suspect families like @wally 's grandparents' did fine. I have wondered this too. Five minutes after a child is born, mum is back at work and the poor tyke is dropped off at the daycare. This, in my view is the result of rampant neo liberalist capatalism. My dad managed to put bread on the table and a roof over our heads on a single income. I know of numerous others that did the same. Nowadays to do the same requires two incomes (average) unless one of the partners is earning a whopping amount. What has changed is wages most definetely do not seem to have kept up with inflation and in NZ the worst bit is that a reasonable house costs around 9 times the average wage. I do not care which partner goes to work but I would like to see an age where one parent can stay at home and look after the children. I think that this would be a great stabilizing effect on children's lives. Meanwhile because both parents need to work the children suffer.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Oct 28, 2017 1:16:47 GMT -5
And just how much "quality parent time" do you think most modern children of 1-2 child families raised in day care and public school with two parents working full-time away from home are getting? I suspect families like @wally 's grandparents' did fine. I have wondered this too. Five minutes after a child is born, mum is back at work and the poor tyke is dropped off at the daycare. This, in my view is the result of rampant neo liberalist capatalism. My dad managed to put bread on the table and a roof over our heads on a single income. I know of numerous others that did the same. Nowadays to do the same requires two incomes (average) unless one of the partners is earning a whopping amount. What has changed is wages most definetely do not seem to have kept up with inflation and in NZ the worst bit is that a reasonable house costs around 9 times the average wage. I do not care which partner goes to work but I would like to see an age where one parent can stay at home and look after the children. I think that this would be a great stabilizing effect on children's lives. Meanwhile because both parents need to work the children suffer. It's an oft-repeated saying, that raising a family in modern times requires two working parents bringing in money. But to what extent is this issue really about priorities and planning? I wonder how many parents go off to jobs without first planning, considering, and trying how they might possibly make things work out so that one of them can stay with the children. If you think about it, an "average modern life" really has a lot of things that could be given up, if necessary, in order to save something more valuable. What combination of these things (and others: let the reader fill in whatever examples come to mind) come out as more valuable to a child, in the long-term, than the presence of parents? A new car bought on debt instead of a low-price used car? 100+ channels on cable or satellite television? An expensive cell phone for each child on the family plan? An annual family vacation to some fun and interesting place? Top-quality elementary and high schools? A college education? Occasional dining at restaurants? 1-3 conventions a year? Saving for retirement? Saving for children's inheritance? An RV to take on trips? Quality dental care? Earning enough so teenaged children don't have to work? Video games? Visits to relatives who live far away? The daycare that wouldn't have to be paid for if a parent was home? A large house? A set of full-price modern appliances? Living in a preferred part of the country?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 28, 2017 1:46:26 GMT -5
The definition of quality of life revolves around 60 inch curved tv screens and Iphone latest and the new wheels from Toymotor. All that is needed in life is the ability to grow veges and catch fish or meat, clean water and a roof over ones head. The rest is a conjob.
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Post by fixit on Oct 28, 2017 1:55:14 GMT -5
And just how much "quality parent time" do you think most modern children of 1-2 child families raised in day care and public school with two parents working full-time away from home are getting? I suspect families like @wally 's grandparents' did fine. I have wondered this too. Five minutes after a child is born, mum is back at work and the poor tyke is dropped off at the daycare. This, in my view is the result of rampant neo liberalist capatalism. My dad managed to put bread on the table and a roof over our heads on a single income. I know of numerous others that did the same. Nowadays to do the same requires two incomes (average) unless one of the partners is earning a whopping amount. What has changed is wages most definetely do not seem to have kept up with inflation and in NZ the worst bit is that a reasonable house costs around 9 times the average wage. I do not care which partner goes to work but I would like to see an age where one parent can stay at home and look after the children. I think that this would be a great stabilizing effect on children's lives. Meanwhile because both parents need to work the children suffer. My Mum stayed home while raising me but our standard of living was nowhere near what working couples enjoy today. I think wages have grown faster than inflation, but not as fast as the demands of today's living standards.
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