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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:37:20 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." But even if they dress like that, it doesn't mean they have a bad heart. They could be kind, soft and gentle. I'm afraid that is the fashion these days. And parents are very soft!
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Post by jondough on Jul 31, 2015 9:45:34 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." Maybe you can explain your point. Not sure I'm getting it. Posting pics of TV shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 9:51:42 GMT -5
Well, sir, Some might call it Karma, others "poetic justice," (deny others blessing....) For myself, it was to reflect the result of one living for others needs vs living for their own pleasures. I learned from it then, learn from it now, even though another might not. Thus, it completed the account of such beliefs as denying volunteer anonymous help to those who had been so vividly in need as described in extensive details by the very one denying that need be filled. Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to explain "why."
why was there a need to mention The one declining my offer died from altitude sickness climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro a very short time thereafter.?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 10:05:19 GMT -5
Katie and I are members of an outreach program. Donated supplies and basic food items are placed in bags, they are carried in our vehicles and upon seeing someone apparently in need, we stop and give them a bag. It works well, and if all they are really doing is looking for "money" to feed a habit, we are not contributing to that. None yet have turned down the offer of a "bag." very admirable:) Merely shared this so others might copy the idea if they thought it worth while, not for your nor anyone elses admiration.
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 11:34:55 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." How women dress should never have been labelled dollty in the first place Bert. Men can wander around with no shirt and nothing but a pair of shorts on, but if women dress like that they are dolls? I found it interesting in Ontario Canada where it is legal for women to go topless. Recently some girls did this and got pulled over by the cops and told to put a shirt on. They refused as it wasn't illegal and did a formal complaint. Women have been the object of control for a long time for obvious reasons. Religions have been a big part of this control wanting women to adhere to different rules than men. Women always no if the child is their child when they get pregnant, but men never knew until recently with DNA testing whether the child was their child or the product of another man. So they have been trying to make sure 'their' woman was kept in control so that they could be sure they were really their offspring. I can understand that to a degree, but it needs to be done with. Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. The other day I read about girls in a school in one of the bible belt states being told they can't wear yoga pants to school because it's too hard on the boys. So instead of teaching boys how to deal with their sexual urges they just make the woman change what she does. We've been doing it for centuries and it's typical of a male dominated society. And, yes I know, you probably disagree with everything I just said. But that will just continue this double standard.
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 11:36:13 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." But even if they dress like that, it doesn't mean they have a bad heart. They could be kind, soft and gentle. I'm afraid that is the fashion these days. And parents are very soft! Thank you Maryhig. How we dress does not make us 'bad'. I've met some pretty modestly dressed women that I would never turn my back on in a disagreement.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 12:08:52 GMT -5
But even if they dress like that, it doesn't mean they have a bad heart. They could be kind, soft and gentle. I'm afraid that is the fashion these days. And parents are very soft! Thank you Maryhig. How we dress does not make us 'bad'. I've met some pretty modestly dressed women that I would never turn my back on in a disagreement. I personally think it's better to dress modestly, but, just because a young girl dresses like that, doesn't mean she is worse than a person who dresses like a nun. You can't judge a heart by the clothes a person wears.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 31, 2015 15:08:47 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." I have to pipe in here... These styles are not unlike the way I dressed in summer in my teens in the 1970's! Halter tops, tank tops,shorts, cut-off shorts were all the rage...they say fashion comes back around. I guess this shows again that is true. And yes, I was a professing teenager and it was okay to wear these fashions. My parents were pretty coot about it and didn't make us dress like freaks, thank goodness. I remember wearing a teeny weeny black bikini as well and wasn't the only professing teen that did!
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 31, 2015 15:23:33 GMT -5
Quote - "I think you're wrong Bert. Yesterday my 13 year old daughter - after volleyball practice (beach/sand) asked if one of her team-mate/friend, who had never been to church, could come to meeting with us and spend the night. We have to jam from the beach, 1/2 hour to meeting, and barely make it in time after practice to Wednesday night meeting. So on the way, her friend was wearing a dress with wide straps for sleeves (not spaghetti straps). She looked over at my daughter and said "am I not suppose to be showing my shoulders?". I was really impressed with my daughters answer. She said, "no, thats ok, we just want to look modest". Then she went on and explained what that meant (to her). I really think you paint the young generation in a wrong light. I actually think they have better hearts than when I was that age. I wasn't professing, and I probably would have been embarrassed for my friends to even know I was heading to some weird 2X2 church." How women dress should never have been labelled dollty in the first place Bert. Men can wander around with no shirt and nothing but a pair of shorts on, but if women dress like that they are dolls? I found it interesting in Ontario Canada where it is legal for women to go topless. Recently some girls did this and got pulled over by the cops and told to put a shirt on. They refused as it wasn't illegal and did a formal complaint. Women have been the object of control for a long time for obvious reasons. Religions have been a big part of this control wanting women to adhere to different rules than men. Women always no if the child is their child when they get pregnant, but men never knew until recently with DNA testing whether the child was their child or the product of another man. So they have been trying to make sure 'their' woman was kept in control so that they could be sure they were really their offspring. I can understand that to a degree, but it needs to be done with. Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. The other day I read about girls in a school in one of the bible belt states being told they can't wear yoga pants to school because it's too hard on the boys. So instead of teaching boys how to deal with their sexual urges they just make the woman change what she does. We've been doing it for centuries and it's typical of a male dominated society. And, yes I know, you probably disagree with everything I just said. But that will just continue this double standard. Good points, snow. It seems as though there has always been a double standard, I concur. It's a funny thing really and I cannot explain it. Normal men have always appreciated women who look good, stylish. As far as what looks good and stylish will always be in the eye of the beholder, however. I know a lot of men who (depending) on the woman who could get just as enthused about a women in a relatively modent skirt as they could about a woman in a bikini. Especially if that skirt shows some nice legs...a woman could be very covered up and be just as alluring in a nice suit like that, I guess is what I am getting at. Good taste and class DOES appeal to men. We are not all just looking for a gal to show more skin to prove to us how attractive and sexy she is. In fact we don't even need to see a lot of skin to be able to notice what a woman's figure is really like. As far as a man wanting 'his' woman to dress modestly...that might be a natural protective mechanism that men have about their women. We know how men 'tick', we know what gets their juices flowing. It's true that each needs to control his own sexual urges, but some men don't seem to learn that ability, unfortunately. It's how they are wired and they don't seem to be able to rewire that. I'm not making excuses for those types. I think that a lot of men learn to respect or disrespect women based upon their relationships with their mother growing up and with their sisters, if they have sisters. The 'attitudes' toward women get handed down from parents and families without them even knowing it. But, the MEDIA in particular caters to the whole visual thing that men have wired in them. Thus the whole porn industry. Again, not making excuses here, but people are capitalizing on how men are and making billions or trillions off it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:24:41 GMT -5
after one swim party it all ended here in the northwest. it may have had something to do with Eldon tenniswood and his young persons meeting?
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 31, 2015 15:41:45 GMT -5
Summer, 1977.
I remember well the halter tops and cut off jeans!
Typical teenage male. Spent the summer with my professing grandmother. Grandpa wasn't professing, so that may have provided an atmosphere that wasn't fanatical-grandma might have been considered 'hearty' (don't like the term, but it was used to describe some in the 'kingdom'), but she wasn't overly strict. There seemed to be a distinction made between 'hearty' friends and the not-so-hearty. Some of the 'hearty' friends were just plain weird to me...
I was surrounded by many lovely professing teenage girls. The girls always outnumbered the boys, that was typical. They were cute or pretty, fun to be around, dressed 'normal' and stylish, for the most part and it was one of the best summers of my life. Did they dress 's lu tty '? I didn't think so. Not even close! It was just the style back then. And apparently is now too-
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 31, 2015 15:43:25 GMT -5
after one swim party it all ended here in the northwest. it may have had something to do with Eldon tenniswood and his young persons meeting? Yes, but I think there has always been a faction of friends who did not just do what the workers told them to do or preached on. I would say those types of friends were the more well adjusted and normal and better lights in the community at large.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 18:31:04 GMT -5
Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. *** I think men look for beauty in women. Women look for leadership, intelligence and financial gain from men.
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 18:37:24 GMT -5
Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. *** I think men look for beauty in women. Women look for leadership, intelligence and financial gain from men. Well it certainly isn't 'beauty' that women look for in men. That I agree with. But I know a lot of men that look for intelligence in their women. If she happens to have looks, well bonus. Then there are men that look for rich women so they don't have to work. I think you really can't generalize because there are just so many reasons why men and women choose certain partners.
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Post by tom on Jul 31, 2015 19:03:54 GMT -5
Well, sir, Some might call it Karma, others "poetic justice," (deny others blessing....) For myself, it was to reflect the result of one living for others needs vs living for their own pleasures. I learned from it then, learn from it now, even though another might not. Thus, it completed the account of such beliefs as denying volunteer anonymous help to those who had been so vividly in need as described in extensive details by the very one denying that need be filled. Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to explain "why."
why was there a need to mention The one declining my offer died from altitude sickness climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro a very short time thereafter.? Im curious. Did you know this African worker personally or did you just meet him somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:21:56 GMT -5
Yes to both, Tom.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 31, 2015 21:31:47 GMT -5
Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. *** I think men look for beauty in women. Women look for leadership, intelligence and financial gain from men. I agree with your first sentence. Second sentence: I agree that women are attracted to intelligence, but leadership and financial gain? Puuullleeeze! I've never needed a man to be a leader in my life. I've never sought financial gain from a man. I do know many men who have sought financial gain by marrying the 'right' woman; either a woman who is a good bread winner or a woman who has great connections or a woman who comes from "money"(old or new). Not saying all men are that way; just that I know plenty who are. So, I cannot make generalizations. I've also known many men who look to the woman in their life to be the leader and/or they find it a refreshing change when the woman will take charge of matters. Beauty may be the first thing many men notice. But, if there is no substance beyond beauty, many of them soon grow bored...
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 31, 2015 21:40:07 GMT -5
Women are no more a sex object by what they wear than a man is. *** I think men look for beauty in women. Women look for leadership, intelligence and financial gain from men. Well it certainly isn't 'beauty' that women look for in men. That I agree with. But I know a lot of men that look for intelligence in their women. If she happens to have looks, well bonus. Then there are men that look for rich women so they don't have to work. I think you really can't generalize because there are just so many reasons why men and women choose certain partners. I agree we shouldn't generalize, but why wouldn't women look for beauty in a man? And can't women be handsome? Does it really matter; either way? In the long run, it doesn't, because looks fade anyway. Well, some people age well and do get better looking as they age, I'll give them that. But, for many, many folks, they lose their good looks as the years fly by; either they become more and more overweight as they get older which is VERY common, or they just somehow lose their good looks. So then, what is left? Well, thank-goodness for an inner beauty that doesn't have to fade, or an inner beauty that develops as a person matures. For me part of that "inner beauty" is what is in a person's mind, heart, and soul. It shines through. You can take a really text book good looking person who isn't so good looking the more you get to know them. I know I'm preaching to the choir here...
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 31, 2015 22:06:07 GMT -5
Somehow this thread has MORPHED once again into something a bit far from the original post. AND THAT'S OKAY! I'm good with that. The discussion has meandered into a territory that to me is worth discussing. Men, women, patriarchal societies, gender roles, power. Are men really the stronger, dominant gender? Hmmm. No, I don't think so. But neither do I think women are. It's give and take. Some women are very tough. Some are tough mentally. Some physically. Some both. Doesn't necessarily have to be either/or. Many men are very tender!
Perhaps my own upbringing is coming to the fore here from somewhere in my subconscious that I am somehow 'pulling out'. The older I get the more I can see how my OWN upbringing played such an important part in my attitude(s) about men and women and limitations that might be placed on either gender. I was raised in a female dominant household by a strong alpha male father, but an equally strong/tough mother. We were female dominant by sheer numbers, true. But HOW we were raised was to think and sometimes act like males because well, we didn't have much choice! There is not a prissy one in the bunch. No, we are not a bunch of 'man-haters', who think it's our mission in life to prove that women are just a capable as men at some things. That wasn't the agenda; no way. It was more of a pragmatic thing. My parents needed help on the farm and so for all PRACTICAL PURPOSES, we had to buck up, while still very much being girls. So what that produced was a hybrid, really. But not too unlike any of the other pioneering women that we descended from...(from all sides of the family)
Perhaps it's true that some men still try to control women today; and still try to dominate. But I've known so many controlling, domineering women, it's not funny. They are just as controlling as the men if not more so. They just go about it in different ways. Not always obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 23:11:37 GMT -5
Well, sir, Some might call it Karma, others "poetic justice," (deny others blessing....) For myself, it was to reflect the result of one living for others needs vs living for their own pleasures. I learned from it then, learn from it now, even though another might not. Thus, it completed the account of such beliefs as denying volunteer anonymous help to those who had been so vividly in need as described in extensive details by the very one denying that need be filled. Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to explain "why."why was there a need to mention The one declining my offer died from altitude sickness climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro a very short time thereafter.? do you feel he was living for himself/his own pleasures? did he give any reason for rejecting the offer?
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 31, 2015 23:17:08 GMT -5
Somehow this thread has MORPHED once again into something a bit far from the original post. AND THAT'S OKAY! I'm good with that. The discussion has meandered into a territory that to me is worth discussing. Men, women, patriarchal societies, gender roles, power. Are men really the stronger, dominant gender? Hmmm. No, I don't think so. But neither do I think women are. It's give and take. Some women are very tough. Some are tough mentally. Some physically. Some both. Doesn't necessarily have to be either/or. Many men are very tender! Perhaps my own upbringing is coming to the fore here from somewhere in my subconscious that I am somehow 'pulling out'. The older I get the more I can see how my OWN upbringing played such an important part in my attitude(s) about men and women and limitations that might be placed on either gender. I was raised in a female dominant household by a strong alpha male father, but an equally strong/tough mother. We were female dominant by sheer numbers, true. But HOW we were raised was to think and sometimes act like males because well, we didn't have much choice! There is not a prissy one in the bunch. No, we are not a bunch of 'man-haters', who think it's our mission in life to prove that women are just a capable as men at some things. That wasn't the agenda; no way. It was more of a pragmatic thing. My parents needed help on the farm and so for all PRACTICAL PURPOSES, we had to buck up, while still very much being girls. So what that produced was a hybrid, really. But not too unlike any of the other pioneering women that we descended from...(from all sides of the family) Perhaps it's true that some men still try to control women today; and still try to dominate. But I've known so many controlling, domineering women, it's not funny. They are just as controlling as the men if not more so. They just go about it in different ways. Not always obvious. Don't you think a lot of it has to do with the fact that folks do what they need to do or have to do? It's not so much your parents setting out to raise 'tough girls' as it was just the way it was. *shrug*. Just basing this response from your post and how you've indicated you turned out. So, maybe you were raised to be tough and think like a man for all practical purposes, but never felt you had to go on some sort of campaign to prove yourself as such. For you, it may not have just been your family and ancestors, but the social culture you were surrounded with as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 23:17:12 GMT -5
Merely shared this so others might copy the idea if they thought it worth while, not for your nor anyone elses admiration. do you know of others who do this? or do you think there are others who do this which nobody knows about? i didn't know a particular person in this fellowship did this until after he died and i knew him very well would you say that there could be many others doing the same thing unbeknownst to others?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 23:21:24 GMT -5
Well, sir, Some might call it Karma, others "poetic justice," (deny others blessing....) For myself, it was to reflect the result of one living for others needs vs living for their own pleasures. I learned from it then, learn from it now, even though another might not. Thus, it completed the account of such beliefs as denying volunteer anonymous help to those who had been so vividly in need as described in extensive details by the very one denying that need be filled. Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to explain "why."
why was there a need to mention The one declining my offer died from altitude sickness climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro a very short time thereafter.? Im curious. Did you know this African worker personally or did you just meet him somewhere? i knew this worker very well, one who left his own country a rather affluent country compared to a good part of the world to go to a country in a poor state
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Post by tom on Jul 31, 2015 23:29:21 GMT -5
Well, sir, Some might call it Karma, others "poetic justice," (deny others blessing....) For myself, it was to reflect the result of one living for others needs vs living for their own pleasures. I learned from it then, learn from it now, even though another might not. Thus, it completed the account of such beliefs as denying volunteer anonymous help to those who had been so vividly in need as described in extensive details by the very one denying that need be filled. Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to explain "why."why was there a need to mention The one declining my offer died from altitude sickness climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro a very short time thereafter.? One of the things I dislike about this board (and social media in general) is that because we cant see people or don't have to speak to them face to face, it is so easy to write about a person almost as if they were an abstract object. Often on this board it is workers or other posters, and they are discussed as if they were characters in a book. They are in fact real people, they have friends and family that love them just as we love our families, and those people could quite easily be reading on here. They are someones son, brother, nephew... I often find myself forming strong opinions about people on this forum, and then I have to remind myself that I don't know them. What I learn about them here is only a very small snippet of who they really are. I have to tell you what I do know about the man referred to here. He wasn't a stuffy senior worker labouring in a foreign land. He was African and had a real and deep love for the people of Africa. They were his people. After he died we heard many accounts from, and about people he had helped. Not just those in 'his church' but people in general. People in a village that needed help building, farming, getting water supplies etc. People that had to get medical help, someone that needed food. He loved the outdoors and was tough, happier in someones mud hut than in a apartment. He would bike miles and miles to take help to a person in need. Why did he refused that offer of goods for people that day?? who would know.It would have appeared to be a very practical idea. Was his bag already full of the tools he used to help people on his travels, did he have others things to take that he felt would be more useful? Maybe he should have explained the reason. He might have and that reason wasn't acceptable to those that had their own idea of what those people needed. I dont know the answer to that, maybe only God does, but to others of his friends and family that might read here: we know that it wasn't Karma that he died that day, as God, not fate controls all things. Your friend is still greatly missed, loved and appreciated by the people that he lived and worked amongst.
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Post by ellie on Aug 1, 2015 8:26:25 GMT -5
I have to pipe in here... These styles are not unlike the way I dressed in summer in my teens in the 1970's! Halter tops, tank tops,shorts, cut-off shorts were all the rage...they say fashion comes back around. I guess this shows again that is true. And yes, I was a professing teenager and it was okay to wear these fashions. My parents were pretty coot about it and didn't make us dress like freaks, thank goodness. I remember wearing a teeny weeny black bikini as well and wasn't the only professing teen that did! It's really nice to hear of experiences where professing teens were permitted to dress like teens and not required to dress like they were part of the travelling circus.
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Post by snow on Aug 1, 2015 11:39:59 GMT -5
I have to pipe in here... These styles are not unlike the way I dressed in summer in my teens in the 1970's! Halter tops, tank tops,shorts, cut-off shorts were all the rage...they say fashion comes back around. I guess this shows again that is true. And yes, I was a professing teenager and it was okay to wear these fashions. My parents were pretty coot about it and didn't make us dress like freaks, thank goodness. I remember wearing a teeny weeny black bikini as well and wasn't the only professing teen that did! It's really nice to hear of experiences where professing teens were permitted to dress like teens and not required to dress like they were part of the travelling circus. It sure is. I had a whole separate wardrobe I wore to school that I kept at my friend's house. I would leave the house dressed strange, get to my friends house and dress in regular clothes, go to school, and do the reverse on the way home. I wasn't professing anymore when I did that but that didn't make any difference. I was still expected to dress like them and in those days it was pretty bland. I didn't do anything outrageous, just normal for the day and age I lived in.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 4, 2015 20:31:58 GMT -5
It's really nice to hear of experiences where professing teens were permitted to dress like teens and not required to dress like they were part of the travelling circus. It sure is. I had a whole separate wardrobe I wore to school that I kept at my friend's house. I would leave the house dressed strange, get to my friends house and dress in regular clothes, go to school, and do the reverse on the way home. I wasn't professing anymore when I did that but that didn't make any difference. I was still expected to dress like them and in those days it was pretty bland. I didn't do anything outrageous, just normal for the day and age I lived in. I think it's weird that you parents expected you to dress that way even if you weren't professing...But my position has always been that parents shouldn't expect their kids to dress a certain way even if they are professing. Whatever happened to just letting the Spirit lead and guide? I know the answer to that question. It went out the window as much emphasis was placed on "looking the part" and wearing the "marks of Christ". Yet, the men have never really had that same burden put on them. Double standard, again.
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Post by jondough on Aug 5, 2015 13:53:07 GMT -5
It's really nice to hear of experiences where professing teens were permitted to dress like teens and not required to dress like they were part of the travelling circus. It sure is. I had a whole separate wardrobe I wore to school that I kept at my friend's house. I would leave the house dressed strange, get to my friends house and dress in regular clothes, go to school, and do the reverse on the way home. I wasn't professing anymore when I did that but that didn't make any difference. I was still expected to dress like them and in those days it was pretty bland. I didn't do anything outrageous, just normal for the day and age I lived in. It really is too bad that such an emphasis was placed on dress. I'm not talking about "modesty" - for those that might jump on me for saying this. I feel bad for my sister. She is still professing, but to this day cannot get over the fact that she was forced to dress so differently, and feel like such a "freak" (her words) at school. Us guys didn't have it hard at all compared to the girls. I hope she can some day get over the resentment over this. Things are so much more reasonable today amongst most of the Friends and Workers.
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