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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 1:55:55 GMT -5
OK, as in OK, I accept your critique of my post. I've been around this horn enough times already. No need to do it again on a "smoking" thread So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
Dmg, surely a man has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate? I think jondough has merely exercised that right and surely we should respect that. No? Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 14, 2015 2:14:03 GMT -5
So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
Dmg, surely a man has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate? I think jondough has merely exercised that right and surely we should respect that. No? Matt10 Oh, absolutely! Indeed, and of course!
Anyone has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate as indeed someone else, such as myself, has a right to choose to wonder why one wants to do so, especially after the person themselves brought up the subject ! Right?
And surely we should respect that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 2:42:10 GMT -5
Dmg, surely a man has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate? I think jondough has merely exercised that right and surely we should respect that. No? Matt10 Oh, absolutely! Indeed, and of course!
Anyone has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate as indeed someone else, such as myself, has a right to choose to wonder why one wants to do so, especially after the person themselves brought up the subject ! Right?
And surely we should respect that? I think sometimes it is better just to draw ones own conclusions and leave it at that. Matt10
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Post by fred on Jul 14, 2015 6:56:28 GMT -5
I nominate post of the week.
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Post by jondough on Jul 14, 2015 8:06:49 GMT -5
Dmg, surely a man has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate? I think jondough has merely exercised that right and surely we should respect that. No? Matt10 Oh, absolutely! Indeed, and of course!
Anyone has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate as indeed someone else, such as myself, has a right to choose to wonder why one wants to do so, especially after the person themselves brought up the subject ! Right?
And surely we should respect that? There was a debate going wether God was male or female, and I had posted that non of know. The reason this debate was going was because people try to put him in a box. Mat asked me a question in regards to that comment. In trying to answer his question it was not my intention to turn this thread into a debate that you are trying to goat me in to.
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Post by rational on Jul 14, 2015 8:46:03 GMT -5
I was responding to the question of why someone might think Jesus was female. 1) The only person known to be part of the reproductive process only had X chromosomes. 2) the HS is claimed to have contributed half of the chromosomes.. You say the HS is female so there is another sex of XX chromosomes. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt to support a scientific conclusion. Who was the male involved???? Joseph? Intercrural 'getting to know you' (not in the biblical sense) sex? And some stray genetic material? The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science. I think aspect of a chromosomeless father is adding to the confusion. At least with other stories like this, those concerning Zeus, for example, there was an entity involved. Europa had her white bull, Leda had her swan, Hera had her cuckoo, and Danaë had her shower of gold (golden shower???). And the there is the virgin birth to contend with. Be sure you do not confuse the immaculate conception with the conception/birth of Jesus. Myths are always confusing but usually entertaining.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 15:42:10 GMT -5
The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science. I think aspect of a chromosomeless father is adding to the confusion. At least with other stories like this, those concerning Zeus, for example, there was an entity involved. Europa had her white bull, Leda had her swan, Hera had her cuckoo, and Danaë had her shower of gold (golden shower???). And the there is the virgin birth to contend with. Be sure you do not confuse the immaculate conception with the conception/birth of Jesus. Myths are always confusing but usually entertaining. Yea just like some of your posts.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 15:54:29 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely! Indeed, and of course!
Anyone has a right to choose not to continue to participate in a particular debate as indeed someone else, such as myself, has a right to choose to wonder why one wants to do so, especially after the person themselves brought up the subject ! Right?
And surely we should respect that? There was a debate going wether God was male or female, and I had posted that non of know. The reason this debate was going was because people try to put him in a box. Mat asked me a question in regards to that comment. In trying to answer his question it was not my intention to turn this thread into a debate that you are trying to goat me in to. The charactor of god has both male and female qualities. In heaven there is no gender.
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Post by snow on Jul 14, 2015 17:56:31 GMT -5
There was a debate going wether God was male or female, and I had posted that non of know. The reason this debate was going was because people try to put him in a box. Mat asked me a question in regards to that comment. In trying to answer his question it was not my intention to turn this thread into a debate that you are trying to goat me in to. The charactor of god has both male and female qualities. In heaven there is no gender. Heaven sounds more and more boring all the time...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:23:09 GMT -5
The charactor of god has both male and female qualities. In heaven there is no gender. Heaven sounds more and more boring all the time... Surely not something to concern yourself with, snow.
Recently heard a quote from decades ago, "heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people," only this one had an interesting codicil: "nobody will be there who arn't expecting to be there by their assurance of being born again in their Belief in their kinsman redeemer."
We can all argue the point, I simply prefer to consider it, rather than argue it.
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Post by rational on Jul 14, 2015 19:07:12 GMT -5
There was a debate going wether God was male or female, and I had posted that non of know. The reason this debate was going was because people try to put him in a box. Mat asked me a question in regards to that comment. In trying to answer his question it was not my intention to turn this thread into a debate that you are trying to goat me in to. The charactor of god has both male and female qualities. In heaven there is no gender. You would goad the goat. No gender. For those planning to go to heaven, what pronouns will be appropriate to use? No gender or, like the god you described, hermaphroditic. I guess that does provide more opportunities for coupling.
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Post by emy on Jul 14, 2015 20:10:50 GMT -5
OK, as in OK, I accept your critique of my post. I've been around this horn enough times already. No need to do it again on a "smoking" thread So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
DMM, you are asking JD to reveal something that no doubt is very personal on not just a public board, but also one that is prone to attacking what is seen as meaningful spiritual experiences.
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Post by snow on Jul 14, 2015 20:50:34 GMT -5
Heaven sounds more and more boring all the time... Surely not something to concern yourself with, snow.
Recently heard a quote from decades ago, "heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people," only this one had an interesting codicil: "nobody will be there who arn't expecting to be there by their assurance of being born again in their Belief in their kinsman redeemer."
We can all argue the point, I simply prefer to consider it, rather than argue it. Dennis, I wasn't being serious. I don't believe in heaven anyway but was just teasing Bubbles about if there were no men and women, how much fun would that be!
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Post by rational on Jul 14, 2015 21:45:50 GMT -5
DMM, you are asking JD to reveal something that no doubt is very personal on not just a public board, but also one that is prone to attacking what is seen as meaningful spiritual experiences. Are meaningful spiritual experiences not to be subject to question? Questioning is not attacking. Sometimes it is not unlike pointing out the lack of logic in these meaningful experiences like the one recorded by/about Paul. If a belief cannot stand up to questioning perhaps there is a reason.
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Post by rational on Jul 14, 2015 21:51:41 GMT -5
I was responding to the question of why someone might think Jesus was female. 1) The only person known to be part of the reproductive process only had X chromosomes. 2) the HS is claimed to have contributed half of the chromosomes.. You say the HS is female so there is another sex of XX chromosomes. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt to support a scientific conclusion. Who was the male involved???? Joseph? Intercrural 'getting to know you' (not in the biblical sense) sex? And some stray genetic material? The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science. For a start, look up the doctrine of the immaculate conception. We can then work from there.
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Post by rational on Jul 14, 2015 21:58:50 GMT -5
Surely not something to concern yourself with, snow.
Recently heard a quote from decades ago, "heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people," only this one had an interesting codicil: "nobody will be there who arn't expecting to be there by their assurance of being born again in their Belief in their kinsman redeemer."
We can all argue the point, I simply prefer to consider it, rather than argue it. Dennis, I wasn't being serious. I don't believe in heaven anyway but was just teasing Bubbles about if there were no men and women, how much fun would that be! The interesting thing is that there is much more written concerning the details people believe regarding hell than heaven. Is there any eternal activity that would not become hell?
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Post by emy on Jul 14, 2015 22:12:22 GMT -5
DMM, you are asking JD to reveal something that no doubt is very personal on not just a public board, but also one that is prone to attacking what is seen as meaningful spiritual experiences. Are meaningful spiritual experiences not to be subject to question? Questioning is not attacking. Sometimes it is not unlike pointing out the lack of logic in these meaningful experiences like the one recorded by/about Paul. If a belief cannot stand up to questioning perhaps there is a reason. Have you not had non-spiritual experiences that you would not like to post on this board, just because they are so personal, or because you know there are posters here who would belittle them?
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 22:29:46 GMT -5
The charactor of god has both male and female qualities. In heaven there is no gender. You would goad the goat. No gender. For those planning to go to heaven, what pronouns will be appropriate to use? No gender or, like the god you described, hermaphroditic. I guess that does provide more opportunities for coupling. Lol @goad the goat. What you on man? I was coming from the premise that in Genisis male and female were created to procreate..produce after their kind and replenish the earth. Emphasis on EARTH. Assuming of course that there were no people in heaven already. Now I could be wrong if my spirit body has any powers in heaven I would request my own planet create my own earth.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 22:31:52 GMT -5
The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science. For a start, look up the doctrine of the immaculate conception. We can then work from there. Now be patient D. you just want to argue because I havent been around for a while. Miss me
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 22:39:58 GMT -5
Dennis, I wasn't being serious. I don't believe in heaven anyway but was just teasing Bubbles about if there were no men and women, how much fun would that be! The interesting thing is that there is much more written concerning the details people believe regarding hell than heaven. Is there any eternal activity that would not become hell? Snow I only just saw snows post..lol @tease me. I dont think im going to translate into a male if thats what you mean. It doesnt seem like there will be procreation unless there are other earths? Who knows? Not me. Ratz The topic of heaven is far to fascinating for me to be concerned about hell. Of course there is much eternal activity that would have little to do with hell..humph and here ive thought you had a vivid imagination..
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Post by snow on Jul 14, 2015 23:13:19 GMT -5
Dennis, I wasn't being serious. I don't believe in heaven anyway but was just teasing Bubbles about if there were no men and women, how much fun would that be! The interesting thing is that there is much more written concerning the details people believe regarding hell than heaven. Is there any eternal activity that would not become hell? That's pretty much my thoughts on it too. People talk about singing hymns and praising God for eternity. That everything will be wonderful, forever. Imo it's the bits of "not wonderful" that makes things interesting. However, other than those two things and of course roads paved with gold, no one seems to have much understanding of what heaven for eternity really will be like. They just know they want to go there because the other place they have been told exists doesn't sound much like fun. At least we have adequate descriptions of 'THAT' place.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 14, 2015 23:21:07 GMT -5
Snow Lots of people have been to heaven and told what they saw felt and who they met. Whether people believe them is something else.
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Post by snow on Jul 14, 2015 23:34:55 GMT -5
Snow Lots of people have been to heaven and told what they saw felt and who they met. Whether people believe them is something else. I think the more science recognizes how the brain works when traumatized the more we will understand it is not likely an image of heaven, but a stressed brain reaction. I remember reading a book called "My Stroke of Insight" by Jill Bolte Taylor. She was in her mid 30's when she had a massive stroke on the left side of the brain which is our rational reasoning side. What she described, the euphoria, the sense of not having boundaries with her body etc., sounded so similar to some of the NDE stories that it got me thinking. If you haven't heard her story it's very interesting because she did make a come back, learned how to speak again etc. What makes it very interesting is she was a brain scientist and analyzed her stroke for as long as she could. Here is her TED talk you might find interesting.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 15, 2015 0:22:01 GMT -5
So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
DMM, you are asking JD to reveal something that no doubt is very personal on not just a public board, but also one that is prone to attacking what is seen as meaningful spiritual experiences. Why? There was a time in my own life that I might have (and no doubt did ) use such an expression, but I am willing to clarify that expression now.
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Post by rational on Jul 15, 2015 0:51:21 GMT -5
Are meaningful spiritual experiences not to be subject to question? Questioning is not attacking. Sometimes it is not unlike pointing out the lack of logic in these meaningful experiences like the one recorded by/about Paul. If a belief cannot stand up to questioning perhaps there is a reason. Have you not had non-spiritual experiences that you would not like to post on this board, just because they are so personal, or because you know there are posters here who would belittle them? No, I have not. What I post is frequently belittled but the counter to that is to post verifiable support for what you claim. If it is a belief then admit it is a belief and not a verifiable fact. However, if the experiences cannot stand up to questioning what does that really say about the experiences? Perhaps the footsteps heard really was just a limb hitting the roof in the wind. Perhaps the voice was just the creation of your own mind.
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Post by rational on Jul 15, 2015 1:00:38 GMT -5
Snow Lots of people have been to heaven and told what they saw felt and who they met. Whether people believe them is something else. I think the more science recognizes how the brain works when traumatized the more we will understand it is not likely an image of heaven, but a stressed brain reaction. I remember reading a book called "My Stroke of Insight" by Jill Bolte Taylor. She was in her mid 30's when she had a massive stroke on the left side of the brain which is our rational reasoning side. What she described, the euphoria, the sense of not having boundaries with her body etc., sounded so similar to some of the NDE stories that it got me thinking. If you haven't heard her story it's very interesting because she did make a come back, learned how to speak again etc. What makes it very interesting is she was a brain scientist and analyzed her stroke for as long as she could. Here is her TED talk you might find interesting. I wonder how all of this fits with the findings like those in: An Evaluation of the Left-Brain vs. Right-Brain Hypothesis with Resting State Functional Connectivity Magnetic Resonance ImagingNielsen ,Zielinski, Ferguson, Lainhart, and Anderson Right/left brain differences may be less than had been believed.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 15, 2015 7:25:19 GMT -5
The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science. For a start, look up the doctrine of the immaculate conception. We can then work from there. Quote: "Mary whose conception was brought about the normal way was conceived without original sin or its stain." Some people think (ME) the term refers to christs conception. The virgin birth.
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Post by snow on Jul 15, 2015 10:13:15 GMT -5
I think the more science recognizes how the brain works when traumatized the more we will understand it is not likely an image of heaven, but a stressed brain reaction. I remember reading a book called "My Stroke of Insight" by Jill Bolte Taylor. She was in her mid 30's when she had a massive stroke on the left side of the brain which is our rational reasoning side. What she described, the euphoria, the sense of not having boundaries with her body etc., sounded so similar to some of the NDE stories that it got me thinking. If you haven't heard her story it's very interesting because she did make a come back, learned how to speak again etc. What makes it very interesting is she was a brain scientist and analyzed her stroke for as long as she could. Here is her TED talk you might find interesting. I wonder how all of this fits with the findings like those in: An Evaluation of the Left-Brain vs. Right-Brain Hypothesis with Resting State Functional Connectivity Magnetic Resonance ImagingNielsen ,Zielinski, Ferguson, Lainhart, and Anderson Right/left brain differences may be less than had been believed. Isn't it somewhat less in women because of their ability to use both hemispheres together? I'll have to have a look at the above book/paper? What is it? Have you read her book Rational. I read it a few years ago and it was pretty interesting. Then I found the TED talk. Our brains are quite capable of manufacturing any number of hallucinations that we believe are actually true and happening. One reason why religious hysteria in a crowd of people can manufacture visions that more than one person says they see I suppose. I know you don't watch you tube, and that's the one I linked, but if you watch TED talks I can link that one for you. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight?language=en
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