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Post by rational on Jul 15, 2015 11:22:15 GMT -5
Quote: "Mary whose conception was brought about the normal way was conceived without original sin or its stain." Some people think (ME) the term refers to christs conception. The virgin birth. You learn something new every day!
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Post by rational on Jul 15, 2015 11:25:27 GMT -5
Isn't it somewhat less in women because of their ability to use both hemispheres together? I'll have to have a look at the above book/paper? What is it? Have you read her book Rational. I read it a few years ago and it was pretty interesting. Then I found the TED talk. Our brains are quite capable of manufacturing any number of hallucinations that we believe are actually true and happening. One reason why religious hysteria in a crowd of people can manufacture visions that more than one person says they see I suppose. I know you don't watch you tube, and that's the one I linked, but if you watch TED talks I can link that one for you. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight?language=enI have not read her book but with the possibility to look at the areas of activity in the functioning brain I have been following the research in that area. In case, for example, I want to be a brain tissue donor - which bits can I best get along without. Maybe that "It's time to EAT" part!
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 15, 2015 14:58:52 GMT -5
Isn't it somewhat less in women because of their ability to use both hemispheres together? I'll have to have a look at the above book/paper? What is it? Have you read her book Rational. I read it a few years ago and it was pretty interesting. Then I found the TED talk. Our brains are quite capable of manufacturing any number of hallucinations that we believe are actually true and happening. One reason why religious hysteria in a crowd of people can manufacture visions that more than one person says they see I suppose. I know you don't watch you tube, and that's the one I linked, but if you watch TED talks I can link that one for you. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight?language=enI have not read her book but with the possibility to look at the areas of activity in the functioning brain I have been following the research in that area. In case, for example, I want to be a brain tissue donor - which bits can I best get along without. Maybe that "It's time to EAT" part! I think becoming acquainted with Jill Bolte Taylor is well worth it for anyone, but particularly for left-brain kind of people, like Rat. Her Ted talk pretty much covers her experience, but if you mistrust videos, then definitely read her book. It will leave you with something to think about (or not), depending how you process it.
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Post by jondough on Jul 15, 2015 15:08:42 GMT -5
OK, as in OK, I accept your critique of my post. I've been around this horn enough times already. No need to do it again on a "smoking" thread So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
DMG, you're telling me after all these years that I thought it was God speaking to me that night, that it wasn't? wowsa! Glad I ran into you here! can you imagine if I would have died thinking that?!! Thanks SO MUCH again!!
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Post by rational on Jul 15, 2015 15:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Jul 15, 2015 23:54:52 GMT -5
Isn't it somewhat less in women because of their ability to use both hemispheres together? I'll have to have a look at the above book/paper? What is it? Have you read her book Rational. I read it a few years ago and it was pretty interesting. Then I found the TED talk. Our brains are quite capable of manufacturing any number of hallucinations that we believe are actually true and happening. One reason why religious hysteria in a crowd of people can manufacture visions that more than one person says they see I suppose. I know you don't watch you tube, and that's the one I linked, but if you watch TED talks I can link that one for you. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight?language=enI have not read her book but with the possibility to look at the areas of activity in the functioning brain I have been following the research in that area. In case, for example, I want to be a brain tissue donor - which bits can I best get along without. Maybe that "It's time to EAT" part! I could discect your brain for ya..
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 16, 2015 13:48:07 GMT -5
So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
DMG, you're telling me after all these years that I thought it was God speaking to me that night, that it wasn't? wowsa! Glad I ran into you here! can you imagine if I would have died thinking that?!! Thanks SO MUCH again!! You are most welcome, JD! I hope it helped! You see, I also suspect, as indeed Matt stated,
"suspect that it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group."Many of us are in the same boat, -born and raised in the group and we have to help one another along.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 16, 2015 15:01:56 GMT -5
I found it difficult to understand the lingo. All I understood from the article was the resting state of grey matter is no different from left or right side. How much does that tell you?. Not much. If they could do a study on the energy activity of a far right brain Im sure there would be a difference. Not in normal resting state but in relaxed active intuitive flow.
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Post by rational on Jul 16, 2015 16:04:45 GMT -5
I found it difficult to understand the lingo. All I understood from the article was the resting state of grey matter is no different from left or right side. How much does that tell you?. Not much. If they could do a study on the energy activity of a far right brain Im sure there would be a difference. Not in normal resting state but in relaxed active intuitive flow. The technology does exist to see the brain in action and the whole idea of right/left brain activity is under question.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 16:16:59 GMT -5
Don't know squat about this subject. I do know from an artist's point of view there are two ways to view a subject. They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.
But then our brain is so greatly underused it isn't funny!
When they begin to answer that condition, I will really be interested, if I ain't dead yet!
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 16, 2015 16:19:03 GMT -5
I found it difficult to understand the lingo. All I understood from the article was the resting state of grey matter is no different from left or right side. How much does that tell you?. Not much. If they could do a study on the energy activity of a far right brain Im sure there would be a difference. Not in normal resting state but in relaxed active intuitive flow. The technology does exist to see the brain in action and the whole idea of right/left brain activity is under question. Perhaps. But it will take a long time for the metaphor to die. (Like many others.) (You should still read Jill Bolte Taylor.)
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 16, 2015 16:22:44 GMT -5
Don't know squat about this subject. I do know from an artist's point of view there are two ways to view a subject. They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.
But then our brain is so greatly underused it isn't funny!
When they begin to answer that condition, I will really be interested, if I ain't dead yet! <<They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.>> I am not an artist, but as a (kinda) wanna be one, I think I know what you are talking about. I also think, in that statement, you have encapsulated the difference between Buddhism and Christianity.
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Post by magpie on Jul 22, 2015 20:50:33 GMT -5
"GLUTTONY? Smoking can be an addiction to some,theraputic to some (abused,depressed,mentally struggling,nurotic,etc). When I saw an obese 2x2 glutton dressing down a new mission arrival about his filthy habit,oh my goodness. We made sure we never sat near this man at convention meal times,he was proud of how much he ate,selfish by leaving the serving platters and bowls empty or near empty for others. Now,who was doing the most damage to their "Temple of their Living God",& the "Home of the Holy Spirit".Was he told to be quiet in meetings for his greedy addiction,or ex communicated? No, but good Pastoring could in most cases help or delve behind the smokers reason to smoke. But could it help an addicted glutton,which can be parrelled to a Psychiatric problem? Gluttony if you are only greedy and selfish AND you know it,it is an ungodly sin.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 27, 2015 14:43:09 GMT -5
Gustaf, So it is only hens and that are " blind, prudish & clucking and parroting scripture? (read females)
And of course , it is only "GOD and the Holy Ghost," as HE (read male) are the ones that you can trust? Back off dmmichgood. Read the post again and quit trying to put words in people's mouths. Gustaf said there were sister workers in his field. He said they were blind etc. The next sentence he referred to all workers as blind. Why not complain that he's generalising? As for your cheap shot about God and the Holy Spirit, Well, course I haven't forgotten that in the religion of Christianity that God and the Holy Spirit have always been referred to as male! Why? Guess who wrote the bible? Right! MEN!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 28, 2015 8:14:44 GMT -5
"GLUTTONY? Smoking can be an addiction to some,theraputic to some (abused,depressed,mentally struggling,nurotic,etc). When I saw an obese 2x2 glutton dressing down a new mission arrival about his filthy habit,oh my goodness. We made sure we never sat near this man at convention meal times,he was proud of how much he ate,selfish by leaving the serving platters and bowls empty or near empty for others. Now,who was doing the most damage to their "Temple of their Living God",& the "Home of the Holy Spirit".Was he told to be quiet in meetings for his greedy addiction,or ex communicated? No, but good Pastoring could in most cases help or delve behind the smokers reason to smoke. But could it help an addicted glutton,which can be parrelled to a Psychiatric problem? Gluttony if you are only greedy and selfish AND you know it,it is an ungodly sin. We all do wrong and not one of us are perfect, some people look perfect on the outside, but have the wrong heart, some are judged by their appearance or faults on the outside but are much softer hearted than those who look the part and people in this instance are very judgemental because they sin too. But they see themselves as perfect. We all have faults, every single one of us, that's why Jesus told us not to judge. No wonder Jesus told is not to judge, and to look at ourselves first. This was brought up at our meeting on Sunday. And how quickly, even secretly in our own hearts we are judgemental toward others. Yet we're probably a lot worse in other ways. We're all at fault with this. Not just that man, and we all have things we do that aren't good for us in our lives, but still do them. Smoking, drinking, overeating etc, damage the body. But hatred, hardness, wickedness, judging, cruelty, scorn, selfishness. Kill the spirit in the heart. And these are fights that every single one if us have to face. As for that man who you say was a glutton, he may have been wrong, but instead of holding hardness against him and not sitting near him, wouldn't it have been better to go quietly and speak with him and tell him what you thought about the way he openly told someone off Rather than avoiding him and holding hardness toward him? Then speaking about him behind his back, Isn't it just as bad as what you say he was doing or maybe even worse?
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Post by hberry on Jul 28, 2015 11:56:12 GMT -5
Don't know squat about this subject. I do know from an artist's point of view there are two ways to view a subject. They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.
But then our brain is so greatly underused it isn't funny!
When they begin to answer that condition, I will really be interested, if I ain't dead yet! <<They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.>> I am not an artist, but as a (kinda) wanna be one, I think I know what you are talking about. I also think, in that statement, you have encapsulated the difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Negative space is the difference between Buddhism and Christianity? Or at least, that's what I think Dennis was referring to....the class I took had you focus on drawing the negative space around an object to create it rather focusing on drawing the outline of the object.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:14:31 GMT -5
maryhig - you have hit the proverbial nail on the head, if I may say so.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 28, 2015 17:38:35 GMT -5
<<They were taught to me as what is there and what is not there, and a good artist learns to call upon them both, often difficult to do at first.>> I am not an artist, but as a (kinda) wanna be one, I think I know what you are talking about. I also think, in that statement, you have encapsulated the difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Negative space is the difference between Buddhism and Christianity? Or at least, that's what I think Dennis was referring to....the class I took had you focus on drawing the negative space around an object to create it rather focusing on drawing the outline of the object. I suspect (from what I have seen on this forum) Dennis was referencing somewhat more than what is commonly referred to as "negative space". In my experience, it is so easy to slap a label on something and then we simply do not really "see" it or "feel" it anymore. (Isn't there some saying over when you teach your child the word "bird", it is the last time he "sees" one?) I am no scholar on either Buddhism or Christianity. (And, God help me, I hope to exit this life without becoming an "expert" on either.) But, from my extremely limited understanding of the essence of Christianity and the essence of Buddhism, Christianity tends to express (the same thing) in terms of "what is there", while Buddhism tends to focus more on "what is not there". Fullness/Abundance vs Emptiness/Nothingness. I do not find "what is not there" any less "real" than "what is there". (Blame my mother, and too much Dr Suess, (and maybe 2X2ism) if you like.) And, now, to introduce a little Taoism: The Necessity of Emptiness (Tao Te Ching) 11. Thirty spokes are joined in the wheel's hub. The hole in the middle makes it useful. Mold clay into a bowl. The empty space makes it useful. Cut out doors and windows for the house. The holes make it useful. Therefore, the value comes from what is there, But the use comes from what is not there.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 28, 2015 17:40:25 GMT -5
"GLUTTONY? Smoking can be an addiction to some,theraputic to some (abused,depressed,mentally struggling,nurotic,etc). When I saw an obese 2x2 glutton dressing down a new mission arrival about his filthy habit,oh my goodness. We made sure we never sat near this man at convention meal times,he was proud of how much he ate,selfish by leaving the serving platters and bowls empty or near empty for others. Now,who was doing the most damage to their "Temple of their Living God",& the "Home of the Holy Spirit".Was he told to be quiet in meetings for his greedy addiction,or ex communicated? No, but good Pastoring could in most cases help or delve behind the smokers reason to smoke. But could it help an addicted glutton,which can be parrelled to a Psychiatric problem? Gluttony if you are only greedy and selfish AND you know it,it is an ungodly sin. We all do wrong and not one of us are perfect, some people look perfect on the outside, but have the wrong heart, some are judged by their appearance or faults on the outside but are much softer hearted than those who look the part and people in this instance are very judgemental because they sin too. But they see themselves as perfect. We all have faults, every single one of us, that's why Jesus told us not to judge. No wonder Jesus told is not to judge, and to look at ourselves first. This was brought up at our meeting on Sunday. And how quickly, even secretly in our own hearts we are judgemental toward others. Yet we're probably a lot worse in other ways. We're all at fault with this. Not just that man, and we all have things we do that aren't good for us in our lives, but still do them. Smoking, drinking, overeating etc, damage the body. But hatred, hardness, wickedness, judging, cruelty, scorn, selfishness. Kill the spirit in the heart. And these are fights that every single one if us have to face. As for that man who you say was a glutton, he may have been wrong, but instead of holding hardness against him and not sitting near him, wouldn't it have been better to go quietly and speak with him and tell him what you thought about the way he openly told someone off Rather than avoiding him and holding hardness toward him? Then speaking about him behind his back, Isn't it just as bad as what you say he was doing or maybe even worse? If I had gone to meeting with people like you, I suspect I would still be a member.
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Post by jondough on Jul 28, 2015 17:53:22 GMT -5
We all do wrong and not one of us are perfect, some people look perfect on the outside, but have the wrong heart, some are judged by their appearance or faults on the outside but are much softer hearted than those who look the part and people in this instance are very judgemental because they sin too. But they see themselves as perfect. We all have faults, every single one of us, that's why Jesus told us not to judge. No wonder Jesus told is not to judge, and to look at ourselves first. This was brought up at our meeting on Sunday. And how quickly, even secretly in our own hearts we are judgemental toward others. Yet we're probably a lot worse in other ways. We're all at fault with this. Not just that man, and we all have things we do that aren't good for us in our lives, but still do them. Smoking, drinking, overeating etc, damage the body. But hatred, hardness, wickedness, judging, cruelty, scorn, selfishness. Kill the spirit in the heart. And these are fights that every single one if us have to face. As for that man who you say was a glutton, he may have been wrong, but instead of holding hardness against him and not sitting near him, wouldn't it have been better to go quietly and speak with him and tell him what you thought about the way he openly told someone off Rather than avoiding him and holding hardness toward him? Then speaking about him behind his back, Isn't it just as bad as what you say he was doing or maybe even worse? If I had gone to meeting with people like you, I suspect I would still be a member. Does Maryhig go to meetings? I might have missed it. Not that it matters, but just wondering.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 28, 2015 17:56:07 GMT -5
If I had gone to meeting with people like you, I suspect I would still be a member. Does Maryhig go to meetings? I might have missed it. Not that it matters, but just wondering. Ummm..., well, not 2X2 meetings. Other 'meetings', though. But, close enough, in my mind. She encapsulates, for me, the best I knew as a child growing up in 2X2ism. Common roots, I think.
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Post by snow on Jul 28, 2015 18:09:52 GMT -5
Negative space is the difference between Buddhism and Christianity? Or at least, that's what I think Dennis was referring to....the class I took had you focus on drawing the negative space around an object to create it rather focusing on drawing the outline of the object. I suspect (from what I have seen on this forum) Dennis was referencing somewhat more than what is commonly referred to as "negative space". In my experience, it is so easy to slap a label on something and then we simply do not really "see" it or "feel" it anymore. (Isn't there some saying over when you teach your child the word "bird", it is the last time he "sees" one?) I am no scholar on either Buddhism or Christianity. (And, God help me, I hope to exit this life without becoming an "expert" on either.) But, from my extremely limited understanding of the essence of Christianity and the essence of Buddhism, Christianity tends to express (the same thing) in terms of "what is there", while Buddhism tends to focus more on "what is not there". Fullness/Abundance vs Emptiness/Nothingness. I do not find "what is not there" any less "real" than "what is there". (Blame my mother, and too much Dr Suess, (and maybe 2X2ism) if you like.) And, now, to introduce a little Taoism: The Necessity of Emptiness (Tao Te Ching) 11. Thirty spokes are joined in the wheel's hub. The hole in the middle makes it useful. Mold clay into a bowl. The empty space makes it useful. Cut out doors and windows for the house. The holes make it useful. Therefore, the value comes from what is there, But the use comes from what is not there. Before I read the Tao Te Ching, I had never given much thought to the value of nothing. Now that I have read it, I see the spaces in a whole new way.
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Post by hberry on Jul 28, 2015 19:12:25 GMT -5
If I had gone to meeting with people like you, I suspect I would still be a member. Does Maryhig go to meetings? I might have missed it. Not that it matters, but just wondering. Her group has Edward Cooney as its William Irvine. Not too far from the apple tree.
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Post by jondough on Jul 28, 2015 19:22:20 GMT -5
Does Maryhig go to meetings? I might have missed it. Not that it matters, but just wondering. Her group has Edward Cooney as its William Irvine. Not too far from the apple tree. AAAHHHH. Maryhig is my long lost 5th cousin 3 times removed
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Post by xna on Jul 28, 2015 19:44:30 GMT -5
Her group has Edward Cooney as its William Irvine. Not too far from the apple tree. AAAHHHH. Maryhig is my long lost 5th cousin 3 times removed Which is the "long lost" one?
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Post by snow on Jul 28, 2015 19:56:27 GMT -5
AAAHHHH. Maryhig is my long lost 5th cousin 3 times removed Which is the "long lost" one? Depends who you're talking to.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 28, 2015 21:23:00 GMT -5
Her group has Edward Cooney as its William Irvine. Not too far from the apple tree. AAAHHHH. Maryhig is my long lost 5th cousin 3 times removed Probably much closer than that.
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