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Post by LouiseKeating on Jul 11, 2015 21:40:42 GMT -5
Gosh! Do you think Jesus might have actually been a girl?
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Post by snow on Jul 11, 2015 21:42:38 GMT -5
Gosh! Do you think Jesus might have actually been a girl? Why would you think that?
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Post by gustaf on Jul 11, 2015 21:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by LouiseKeating on Jul 11, 2015 21:54:31 GMT -5
Gosh! Do you think Jesus might have actually been a girl? Why would you think that? well if God is really a woman then maybe Jesus was really a lady
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Post by snow on Jul 11, 2015 21:58:33 GMT -5
Why would you think that? well if God is really a woman then maybe Jesus was really a lady No one has seriously thought the Christian God is a woman. There have been Goddesses in some societies, but the Hebrew God has always been referred to as male. He was their God of War back when they worshiped more than one God. So it's rather unlikely he was a Goddess. As far as I know the only part of the Trinity that is considered feminine is the Holy Spirit.
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Post by jondough on Jul 11, 2015 22:15:54 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking.
I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan.
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Post by LouiseKeating on Jul 12, 2015 1:24:10 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan. I dont know about God in a box but do you believe God of the bible?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 1:54:12 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan. I think that people who believe that God loves us or that He has a will for us have a very limited understanding of God. I note that you accept that you have a limited understanding of God and this may therefore explain why you believe such a thing. Personally I have yet to witness anything that would indicate that God really loves us or that He really has a will for us. I suspect that you may be basing your understanding of God on what you have read in the box which people refer to as the bible. I'd be interested to know what leads you to conclude that God loves us or has a will for us. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 2:03:07 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan. I dont know about God in a box but do you believe God of the bible? I think the more interesting question is why does one believe in the God of the bible (or not believe in the God of the bible as the case may be). Even more interesting is why one chose to begin to believe in the God of the Bible (if indeed one considers that they had a choice). Asking merely whether one believes in the God of the bible or not tends not to tell us very much. So there's a question for you perhaps. When and why did you start to believe in the God of he bible (assuming of course that you do). Matt10
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Post by jondough on Jul 12, 2015 9:34:27 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan. I dont know about God in a box but do you believe God of the bible? Yes, Is there anything I said that would indicate that I don't?
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Post by jondough on Jul 12, 2015 9:54:11 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan. I think that people who believe that God loves us or that He has a will for us have a very limited understanding of God. I note that you accept that you have a limited understanding of God and this may therefore explain why you believe such a thing. Personally I have yet to witness anything that would indicate that God really loves us or that He really has a will for us. I suspect that you may be basing your understanding of God on what you have read in the box which people refer to as the bible. I'd be interested to know what leads you to conclude that God loves us or has a will for us. Matt10 Mat, We all chose to believe what feels right for our own selves. The more we are aware of what is beyond, and further what we don't know is beyond, the more we realize how insignificant we are. But a little spec both physically and in time. An Atheist may believe it takes naive faith to believe in God. I may believe that it takes naive belief that life could have started from something dead. We all must chose for ourselves. I was in my room one day, not professing for years (B&R), when a very definite voice spoke to me and caused me to get on my knees for the first time in my whole life. I was 21. No, I wasn't high. I professed that night, on my knees, beside my bed. My life has been full of blessing ever since. The blessings I have as a result, along with many other things (would be too long of a post to explain) are constant confirmations TO ME that I love a living God that loves me/us.
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Post by rational on Jul 12, 2015 10:11:51 GMT -5
I am so glad God gave us the Holy Ghost and his internal house keeping and changes vs a bunch of blind prudish hens clucking away and parroting scripture. The workers are a bunch of blind people with their noses buried in the crev asse of each other. This is a great turn of a phrase. Was it a product of the Holy Spirit?
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Post by rational on Jul 12, 2015 10:13:48 GMT -5
Gosh! Do you think Jesus might have actually been a girl? Why would you think that? All of the known DNA was missing a Y chromosome. Unless the sperm of the holy spirit has a Y chromosome.
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Post by snow on Jul 12, 2015 11:47:37 GMT -5
Why would you think that? All of the known DNA was missing a Y chromosome. Unless the sperm of the holy spirit has a Y chromosome. I wasn't aware they had any DNA for Jesus? Also, if the holy spirit is female explain the belief she has sperm?
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 12, 2015 12:55:13 GMT -5
I think that people who believe that God loves us or that He has a will for us have a very limited understanding of God. I note that you accept that you have a limited understanding of God and this may therefore explain why you believe such a thing. Personally I have yet to witness anything that would indicate that God really loves us or that He really has a will for us. I suspect that you may be basing your understanding of God on what you have read in the box which people refer to as the bible. I'd be interested to know what leads you to conclude that God loves us or has a will for us. Matt10 Mat, We all chose to believe what feels right for our own selves. The more we are aware of what is beyond, and further what we don't know is beyond, the more we realize how insignificant we are. But a little spec both physically and in time. An Atheist may believe it takes naive faith to believe in God. I may believe that it takes naive belief that life could have started from something dead. We all must chose for ourselves. I was in my room one day, not professing for years (B&R), when a very definite voice spoke to me and caused me to get on my knees for the first time in my whole life. I was 21. No, I wasn't high. I professed that night, on my knees, beside my bed. My life has been full of blessing ever since. The blessings I have as a result, along with many other things (would be too long of a post to explain) are constant confirmations TO ME that I love a living God that loves me/us. Paul prayed for people to "know this love that surpasses knowledge ". Sound contradictory? How can you know something that surpasses knowledge? Experience it Appreciate your posts, Alvin
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Post by rational on Jul 12, 2015 14:31:58 GMT -5
All of the known DNA was missing a Y chromosome. Unless the sperm of the holy spirit has a Y chromosome. I wasn't aware they had any DNA for Jesus? Also, if the holy spirit is female explain the belief she has sperm? I was responding to the question of why someone might think Jesus was female. 1) The only person known to be part of the reproductive process only had X chromosomes. 2) the HS is claimed to have contributed half of the chromosomes.. You say the HS is female so there is another sex of XX chromosomes. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt to support a scientific conclusion. Who was the male involved???? Joseph? Intercrural 'getting to know you' (not in the biblical sense) sex? And some stray genetic material?
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Post by snow on Jul 12, 2015 14:52:08 GMT -5
I wasn't aware they had any DNA for Jesus? Also, if the holy spirit is female explain the belief she has sperm? I was responding to the question of why someone might think Jesus was female. 1) The only person known to be part of the reproductive process only had X chromosomes. 2) the HS is claimed to have contributed half of the chromosomes.. You say the HS is female so there is another sex of XX chromosomes. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt to support a scientific conclusion. Who was the male involved? Joseph? Intercrural 'getting to know you' (not in the biblical sense) sex? And some stray genetic material? Well as far as Jesus goes, I'm pretty sure Joseph had a part in it just like all pregnancies. She would have been considered a virgin or young woman until she produced an heir and then she would have proven herself and would become a wife. It had nothing to do with not having sex as so many seem to think. But spirit was defined as feminine in Hebrew or Armenic and it was only a neuter word in Greek from what I have read anyway. But because there is no reasonable explanation for it, the usual phrase comes up, 'God's ways are a mystery and there are things we are not meant to understand'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 16:06:29 GMT -5
I think that people who believe that God loves us or that He has a will for us have a very limited understanding of God. I note that you accept that you have a limited understanding of God and this may therefore explain why you believe such a thing. Personally I have yet to witness anything that would indicate that God really loves us or that He really has a will for us. I suspect that you may be basing your understanding of God on what you have read in the box which people refer to as the bible. I'd be interested to know what leads you to conclude that God loves us or has a will for us. Matt10 Mat, We all chose to believe what feels right for our own selves. The more we are aware of what is beyond, and further what we don't know is beyond, the more we realize how insignificant we are. But a little spec both physically and in time. An Atheist may believe it takes naive faith to believe in God. I may believe that it takes naive belief that life could have started from something dead. We all must chose for ourselves. I was in my room one day, not professing for years (B&R), when a very definite voice spoke to me and caused me to get on my knees for the first time in my whole life. I was 21. No, I wasn't high. I professed that night, on my knees, beside my bed. My life has been full of blessing ever since. The blessings I have as a result, along with many other things (would be too long of a post to explain) are constant confirmations TO ME that I love a living God that loves me/us. A few observations. First, long posts are perfectly acceptable. It is disappointing therefore that you couldn't bring yourself to provide a list of all the blessings you have received. I suspect this may be due to similar blessings also being enjoyed by those who do not believe in a loving God. Also I note you have introduced the concept of atheism into the debate. As neither you nor I claim to be atheists this is peculiar to say the least. I note you have also introduced the creation issue into a discussion. Again this is peculiar given that this issue was not being discussed and appears to me to be completely irrelevant to the discussion. Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you. I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group. Despite what you may believe I see nothing in your response which would indicate that your belief in a loving God is based on anything other than biblical theory resulting from putting God in a box. Just my thoughts. Matt10.
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Post by jondough on Jul 13, 2015 16:10:00 GMT -5
Mat, We all chose to believe what feels right for our own selves. The more we are aware of what is beyond, and further what we don't know is beyond, the more we realize how insignificant we are. But a little spec both physically and in time. An Atheist may believe it takes naive faith to believe in God. I may believe that it takes naive belief that life could have started from something dead. We all must chose for ourselves. I was in my room one day, not professing for years (B&R), when a very definite voice spoke to me and caused me to get on my knees for the first time in my whole life. I was 21. No, I wasn't high. I professed that night, on my knees, beside my bed. My life has been full of blessing ever since. The blessings I have as a result, along with many other things (would be too long of a post to explain) are constant confirmations TO ME that I love a living God that loves me/us. A few observations. First, long posts are perfectly acceptable. It is disappointing therefore that you couldn't bring yourself to provide a list of all the blessings you have received. I suspect this may be due to similar blessings also being enjoyed by those who do not believe in a loving God. Also I note you have introduced the concept of atheism into the debate. As neither you nor I claim to be atheists this is peculiar to say the least. I note you have also introduced the creation issue into a discussion. Again this is peculiar given that this issue was not being discussed and appears to me to be completely irrelevant to the discussion. Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you. I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group. Despite what you may believe I see nothing in your response which would indicate that your belief in a loving God is based on anything other than biblical theory resulting from putting God in a box. Just my thoughts. OK
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Post by bubbles on Jul 13, 2015 19:31:37 GMT -5
Why would a worker ask a smoker to stop taking part in a meeting?? Has smoking got anything to do with sin? Ok it is an outward sign of non conformity. Are they hurting anyone? We now know about secondary smoking affecting others. But puffing on a cigarette? It seems so petty. To stop someone from expressing/ verbalising their love for their God. Who has any right to judge that?. Also who has the right to disfellowship a smoker because essentially that is what is being declared. When love is shed abroad in peoples hearts and they want and need fellowship? Then being denied the blessing as though they need to be punished for a crime? That is just plain wrong! When you dont make examples of pedophiles/incestuous acts/ but you make examples of girls with short skirts/men with hair beyond their collar/people with gramma phones in their lounges.
Im begining to think that the powers that be the overseers have no concept nor understanding of repentence and forgiveness..
Something is radically out of shape!
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Post by emy on Jul 13, 2015 20:33:13 GMT -5
Why would a worker ask a smoker to stop taking part in a meeting?? Has smoking got anything to do with sin? .... To stop someone from expressing/ verbalising their love for their God. Who has any right to judge that?. Also who has the right to disfellowship a smoker because essentially that is what is being declared.... Something is radically out of shape! Does smoking defile a body at all? 1 cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Anyone can express their love of God, but not always in meeting. (Maybe it would be good to do so when workers visit?) Disfellowship would mean to not gather with others, right? Very few are forbidden that privilege. One can be fed in a meeting without saying anything at all, I think.
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Post by fred on Jul 13, 2015 22:28:01 GMT -5
Ahh, c'mon emy, I surely don't believe this verse was to be used in this context. If this is to be correct then there are many things in our daily life that would 'defile the temple'. Didn't Christ also mention about things that enter the natural body do not defile?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 13, 2015 22:41:34 GMT -5
A few observations. First, long posts are perfectly acceptable. It is disappointing therefore that you couldn't bring yourself to provide a list of all the blessings you have received. I suspect this may be due to similar blessings also being enjoyed by those who do not believe in a loving God. Also I note you have introduced the concept of atheism into the debate. As neither you nor I claim to be atheists this is peculiar to say the least. I note you have also introduced the creation issue into a discussion. Again this is peculiar given that this issue was not being discussed and appears to me to be completely irrelevant to the discussion. Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you. I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group. Despite what you may believe I see nothing in your response which would indicate that your belief in a loving God is based on anything other than biblical theory resulting from putting God in a box. Just my thoughts. OK Jondough, is that all that you can say in answer to Matt?
Does your "ok" mean that you agree with Matt about this? "Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you.
I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group."
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 13, 2015 22:53:49 GMT -5
I believe that the mistake most people make is that hey try to put God in a box. He is so great, non of us can begin to understand what/who he is....All we have is our own limited human understanding....and we box everything into hman thinking. I believe as humans we will never begin to understand who/what he is, so we need to try to just comptehend and understand his love for us, and his will for us. Somehow even try to get a glimps of his plan.
Isn't that what I have been saying all along?
People didn't understand why certain things happened and they wanted to understand so intensely that they created a GOD in THE "GAP" where there was a lack of understanding or knowledge, or as you are saying GOD IN A BOX!
It doesn't mean that "HE"/"SHE" is so great or even exists at all!
It only means that we want answers so desperately, we will find them even if we have to create them out of whole cloth!
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Post by bubbles on Jul 13, 2015 23:28:08 GMT -5
Why would a worker ask a smoker to stop taking part in a meeting?? Has smoking got anything to do with sin? .... To stop someone from expressing/ verbalising their love for their God. Who has any right to judge that?. Also who has the right to disfellowship a smoker because essentially that is what is being declared.... Something is radically out of shape! Does smoking defile a body at all? 1 cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Anyone can express their love of God, but not always in meeting. (Maybe it would be good to do so when workers visit?) Disfellowship would mean to not gather with others, right? Very few are forbidden that privilege. One can be fed in a meeting without saying anything at all, I think. I thought that scripture may have been the reason. I was responding to the opening post. In essence when a person is asked to refrain from taking part or not partaking of the emblems. It is a form of control. It is also a form of shunning. Punishment. How do you see that as conducive to positive heLthy love action towards a brother or sister?. You might say a smoker is defiling their body because it can cause cancer or emphysema. So can eating certain food types damaging to health. Breathing chemical substances etc. Is it a reason to be so harsh in judgement? Accusation. If you want fellowship you guide you dont bully. You build up you dont tare down.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 13, 2015 23:36:55 GMT -5
I wasn't aware they had any DNA for Jesus? Also, if the holy spirit is female explain the belief she has sperm? I was responding to the question of why someone might think Jesus was female. 1) The only person known to be part of the reproductive process only had X chromosomes. 2) the HS is claimed to have contributed half of the chromosomes.. You say the HS is female so there is another sex of XX chromosomes. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt to support a scientific conclusion. Who was the male involved? Joseph? Intercrural 'getting to know you' (not in the biblical sense) sex? And some stray genetic material? The holy spirit is spirit...no chromosones. The power of the holy spirit is the power to create anything the father speaks into being. For an immaculate conception I would assume the father spoke it into being the holy spirit followed through with it and the pregnancy began. Simple! Your comments are confusing everything even science.
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Post by jondough on Jul 13, 2015 23:53:33 GMT -5
Jondough, is that all that you can say in answer to Matt?
Does your "ok" mean that you agree with Matt about this? "Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you.
I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group."
OK, as in OK, I accept your critique of my post. I've been around this horn enough times already. No need to do it again on a "smoking" thread
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 14, 2015 0:44:49 GMT -5
Jondough, is that all that you can say in answer to Matt?
Does your "ok" mean that you agree with Matt about this? "Finally you didn't state whether the voice that you heard was audible nor did you state what it was that the voice actually said to you.
I suspect it was the same voice I heard at one time and which I misinterpreted as God. Of course I now recognise what I interpreted as the voice of God to be merely a series of thoughts inside my head, thoughts which occurred solely as a result of my exposure to many years of 2x2 doctrine having, like you, been born and raised in the group."
OK, as in OK, I accept your critique of my post. I've been around this horn enough times already. No need to do it again on a "smoking" thread So, just a simple one sentence answer as to "was the voice that you heard audible" and if you remember it all so well, "what did the voice say" is just too much of a burden to answer because as you say "I've been around this horn enough times already."
After you were the one which stated it to begin with even if it, Even it it is on a "smoking" thread ?
Don't you think that most all of us who answered that "voice" felt the same kinds of emotions that you did?
Or do you think that we are lying?
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