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Post by Jesse_Lackman on May 20, 2015 9:44:24 GMT -5
So what I'm to do is to not provide any feedback on false teaching or doctrine or criticism thereof. Ask no questions, seek no answers. Just fit in and everything will be okay. It has a familiar ring to it The difference between criticism as art vs 90 pound jackhammer needs to be thoughtfully considered to understand. You are not understanding what I am getting at. I've put a lot of thought into this, through trial and error somewhat understand the art. You know you have it when you can offer what is essentially criticism without the other party thinking it's criticism or getting offended in any way. It's like playing chess - you need to be playing each potential move and counter-move many moves out BEFORE you make your move. The human default position is 90 pound jackhammer, book titles "Cult to Christ" are proof, your cult post is proof. Some of my posts are proof. Some of what Paul writes is proof. But even Paul recognized that charity prevails over all - charity never demands the use a 90 pound jackhammer like your cult post - it is really that simple. Spend some time thinking about it - no need to pop off a quick reply.
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Post by fixit on May 20, 2015 21:27:46 GMT -5
The difference between criticism as art vs 90 pound jackhammer needs to be thoughtfully considered to understand. You are not understanding what I am getting at. I've put a lot of thought into this, through trial and error somewhat understand the art. You know you have it when you can offer what is essentially criticism without the other party thinking it's criticism or getting offended in any way. It's like playing chess - you need to be playing each potential move and counter-move many moves out BEFORE you make your move. The human default position is 90 pound jackhammer, book titles "Cult to Christ" are proof, your cult post is proof. Some of my posts are proof. Some of what Paul writes is proof. But even Paul recognized that charity prevails over all - charity never demands the use a 90 pound jackhammer like your cult post - it is really that simple. Spend some time thinking about it - no need to pop off a quick reply. That's okay Jesse - I've now been told a few times on this Board that I'm in an evangelical cult so it seems the 90 pound jackhammer is working well. We have to adapt our style - sometimes a jackhammer is required, other times clearly not. To be consistent you'd better start getting onto the person who said I was in a cult - they've offended a lot of folk. Guilty as charged. If "cult" and "heretic" is defined by how one interprets scripture, then I have as much right as anyone to consider someone a heretic. It seems that "orthodox" Christianity considers Jesus as God on Earth and Jesus as man in Heaven. That's different to how I see it.
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Post by fixit on May 20, 2015 23:15:31 GMT -5
What is he in heaven, fixit, I am interested in your opinion. And what form will he be when he comes back and the scripture for this? It is also clear that orthodox Christianity as you call it, has a completely different take on the trinity to other churches. Orthodox sees the 3 as one being. Non orthodox sees it as 3 separate beings all being part of God. Two different views of the trinity. God is a spirit. To anyone but a fundamentalist Christian, it would be ridiculous to claim that Jesus is 100% God and 100% human forevermore. You told me on another thread that I'm obsessed with the Trinity, and that I've taken too much space on TMB, so I guess you don't want a lengthy explanation.
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Post by fixit on May 20, 2015 23:32:20 GMT -5
I haven't answered your questions Mary...
I believe Jesus is spirit in heaven. Flesh is earthly.
If Christ returned as a man he wouldn't need to be a man in heaven in order to do so. Scripture says every eye will see him, and that would make a busy man!
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Post by maryhig on May 21, 2015 2:12:10 GMT -5
I haven't answered your questions Mary... I believe Jesus is spirit in heaven. Flesh is earthly. If Christ returned as a man he wouldn't need to be a man in heaven in order to do so. Scripture says every eye will see him, and that would make a busy man! Yes, Jesus is a spirit in heaven, if he wasn't a spirit but flesh, how can the spirit of Christ be within us? There is no flesh in the kingdom of God. Only spirit! The only time you can enter the kingdom in the flesh is by doing Gods will here on earth. But when we die naturally, the flesh is left behind, exactly where it should be. Buried! But it should have been buried long before your natural death. Because if you enter His kingdom whilst here on earth. Your body will be dead to the world! And you will be alive in Christ. With Gods holy spirit living, loving and teaching you daily in his temple. Which is the bodies of those the that belong to him. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but a spiritual heart that's dead to flesh can! When we pray "thy kingdom come" we are asking for his kingdom so his will can be done. So our will has to be gone for this to be done. Our will should be to love please and serve God. And show his love to others. This is how Jesus comes back in flesh! He comes back in us, so the whole world will see him in his people. And he can carry on doing his work, through his church, the living children of the living God!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 14:53:50 GMT -5
Hard to picture a spirit sitting on the right hand of anyone let alone God (the Father). Now not even sure if the Bible calls Him God the Father anymore than it says God the Son. Give me time to look it up and come back on that one. Will we all be spirits floating around in heaven? It says when he comes we will be changed but I do believe we will still be human when we rule and reign on earth with him if we can take the verses literally. How will people float up to meet him when he comes unless some change takes place but I think that just as Jesus remained human he still looked like a man, talked like a man, and walked like a man after the resurection. How can Jesus dwell in us, felicity? It is the Holy Spirit that dwells Within. Us taking on the nature of Christ. (Not that it looks like it at times). That's where the Godhead comes into play. God's spirit is Christ's spirit. God the father is mentioned at least 12 times in the Bible, in the writings of John, Jude, Peter and Paul. 1 Corinthians 15 v 44 - 54 speaks of the spiritual body, and how we shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye. I do not know what an immortal body will be like, but there will be no marrying and giving in marriage in heaven, and no more lusts of the flesh. I think it was Maryhig that mentioned Jesus dwelling in us? However, in John 15, Jesus said "Abide in me, and I in you", and also "my words abide in you". Yes, I agree, the Holy Spirit dwells within, and it is the one spirit. I like what it says in 2 Corinthians 6 "ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them".
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:07:00 GMT -5
Ok I will give maryhig the credit for that. It also says Christ within is our hope of glory. I did write we would be changed in a twinkling of an eye but thought i had better go back and check it to make sure i got it right first before i posted it and you beat me to it. I looked up God the Father phrase and I see God our Father and the God and Father but it is hard looking on the phone as I haven't worked out how to open 2 sites at once on it without loosing what I have written on here. I guess it's easier on a laptop. If you want some references for God the Father: Philippians 2 v 11, 2 Peter 1 v 17, 2 John 1 v 3, Jude 1 v 1.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 21, 2015 15:16:51 GMT -5
It very interesting that there are such variations of belief in what Jesus is and what he is not (flesh or "spirit") or when he is in one place or another place. (earth or "heaven.")
Of course that is the dilemma that one finds oneself in when trying to turn a perfectly normal being like Jesus into something of a paranormal, mythical being.
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Post by emy on May 21, 2015 22:17:40 GMT -5
Hard to picture a spirit sitting on the right hand of anyone let alone God (the Father). Now not even sure if the Bible calls Him God the Father anymore than it says God the Son. Give me time to look it up and come back on that one. ... There are 13 references to the exact phrase God the Father. (KJV) (18 in NIV) John 6:27 1 Corinthians 8:6 * be sure to check this one! Galatians 1:1 Galatians 1:3 Ephesians 6:23 Philippians 2:11 1 Thessalonians 1:1 2 Timothy 1:2 Titus 1:4 1 Peter 1:2 2 Peter 1:17 2 John 1:3 Jude 1:1 legacy.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=God+the+Father&version=KJV&version1=KJV&version1=KJV&searchtype=phrase
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Post by fixit on May 21, 2015 22:35:53 GMT -5
Hard to picture a spirit sitting on the right hand of anyone let alone God (the Father). Now not even sure if the Bible calls Him God the Father anymore than it says God the Son. Give me time to look it up and come back on that one. ... There are 13 references to the exact phrase God the Father. (KJV) (18 in NIV) John 6:27 1 Corinthians 8:6 * be sure to check this one! Galatians 1:1 Galatians 1:3 Ephesians 6:23 Philippians 2:11 1 Thessalonians 1:1 2 Timothy 1:2 Titus 1:4 1 Peter 1:2 2 Peter 1:17 2 John 1:3 Jude 1:1 legacy.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=God+the+Father&version=KJV&version1=KJV&version1=KJV&searchtype=phraseDo you have some thoughts on 1 Corinthians 8:6 Emy?
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Post by withlove on May 21, 2015 22:39:44 GMT -5
We are supposed to receive new bodies...we were created here in His image...Revelation is full of visual imagery both of heaven and of beings...also there were elders described as prostrate or kneeling at the throne...when the saints rule the earth, they are to be in the perfected bodies they will keep for eternity, no?
Lots of clues (I think) that our spirits will be housed in bodies.
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Post by emy on May 22, 2015 0:04:43 GMT -5
Do you have some thoughts on 1 Corinthians 8:6 Emy? Only that there seems to be a clear distinction between the ONE God, the Father, and the ONE Lord (Master) Jesus Christ. Nate, the word used in that verse translated God, the Father is 'theos', meaning "being to be worshiped" while the word translated as Lord, Jesus Christ is 'kurios' meaning "master."
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Post by maryhig on May 22, 2015 0:10:21 GMT -5
We are supposed to receive new bodies...we were created here in His image...Revelation is full of visual imagery both of heaven and of beings...also there were elders described as prostrate or kneeling at the throne...when the saints rule the earth, they are to be in the perfected bodies they will keep for eternity, no? Lots of clues (I think) that our spirits will be housed in bodies. This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2015 0:33:42 GMT -5
We are supposed to receive new bodies...we were created here in His image...Revelation is full of visual imagery both of heaven and of beings...also there were elders described as prostrate or kneeling at the throne...when the saints rule the earth, they are to be in the perfected bodies they will keep for eternity, no? Lots of clues (I think) that our spirits will be housed in bodies. I think you're reading way too much into metaphor.
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2015 0:35:18 GMT -5
Only that there seems to be a clear distinction between the ONE God, the Father, and the ONE Lord (Master) Jesus Christ. Nate, the word used in that verse translated God, the Father is 'theos', meaning "being to be worshiped" while the word translated as Lord, Jesus Christ is 'kurios' meaning "master." You don't fully understand the word Lord/Kurios....
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Kurios (κύριος) is a Greek word translating to "lord, master". It is notably the LXX translation of Adonai, the Biblical Hebrew title "my Lord" given to YHWH and is also the original name of God translated as "Lord" in the New Testament.The Greek word kurios has a number of different meanings. It can mean sir, master, owner, or even refer to an idol. However on a number of occasions it is the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew word Yahweh or Jehovah. This is the divine name for God. Jesus Christ is designated as the Lord in many New Testament references. I think it's you who doesn't fully understand.
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2015 5:37:06 GMT -5
LORD in the OT was the Hebrew Yahweh meaning "He (who) is" or Yah meaning "Jah (a contraction of Jehovah)".
LORD in the NT was the Greek despotes meaning "A despot, master" or kurios meaning "Lord, sir, master".
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Post by withlove on May 22, 2015 11:48:53 GMT -5
We are supposed to receive new bodies...we were created here in His image...Revelation is full of visual imagery both of heaven and of beings...also there were elders described as prostrate or kneeling at the throne...when the saints rule the earth, they are to be in the perfected bodies they will keep for eternity, no? Lots of clues (I think) that our spirits will be housed in bodies. I think you're reading way too much into metaphor. Very possible! Do you think all of that is metaphor or just some? I'd love to understand it better.
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Post by Greg on May 22, 2015 12:05:40 GMT -5
You don't fully understand the word Lord/Kurios.... I think this would be quite arrogant if not coming from someone who links the Waldensians to the friends and workers, calls angels ETs, and believes in Thor, hollow earth and what have you.
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Post by withlove on May 22, 2015 12:28:51 GMT -5
We are supposed to receive new bodies...we were created here in His image...Revelation is full of visual imagery both of heaven and of beings...also there were elders described as prostrate or kneeling at the throne...when the saints rule the earth, they are to be in the perfected bodies they will keep for eternity, no? Lots of clues (I think) that our spirits will be housed in bodies. This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Thanks for your response. Do you think we will be completely without physical form and rule the earth only as invisible spirits?
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 14:03:40 GMT -5
I think this would be quite arrogant if not coming from someone who links the Waldensians to the friends and workers, calls angels ETs, and believes in Thor, hollow earth and what have you. The Lord God Jesus Christ created his angels=messengers in Human bodies.... Many of them came from Venus planet to assist Him, Lot and his family to escaped from Sodom and Gomorrah and humanity through the centuries. God has been at WAR with Satan and the fallen angels after the Second day of Creation... War against the dark force for millions and Billions of years throughout the Universe, Galaxies, planets and the earth. ~~ The Angels of God in human bodies in the Old Testament :Rescued Haggar (Gen. 16:7-12) Announced the Birth of Issac (Gen 18:1-15) Announced the destruction of Sodom of Sodom ( Gen. 18:16-35) Destroyed Sodom and rescued Lot (Gen. 19:1-29) Intercept the slaying of Isaac (Gen. 22:11-12) Marriage of Isaac and Rebecca (Gen 24:7) Guard Jacob (Gen. 28:12;31:11,48:16) Commission Moses (Exodus 3:2) Led Israel (Exodus 14:19; 23:20-23;32:34) Gave the Law (Acts 7:38;53; Gal.3:19) Rebuked Balaam the false prophet (Numbers 22:31-35) Prince of God's host appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15) Rebuked the Israelites for Idolatry (Judges 2:1-5) Commission Gideon (Judges 6:11-40) Announced the birth of Samson (Judges 13) Smote Israelites with Pestilence (II Sam.24:16-17) Rescued Elijah (I Kings 10:5-8) Elisha was surrounded by Invisible angels (II Kings 6:14-17) Saved Daniel from the Lions (Daniel 6:22) Killed the Assyrians Army (II Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36) Angels camp round about God's people (Psalms 34:7; 91:11)~~ Angels appeared in human form/body in the New Testament: The Angels: Announced the Birth of John the Baptist (Luke 1:11-17) Foretold to Mary the birth of Jesus (Luke 1:26-37) Foretold to Joseph the birth of Jesus (Matt. 1:20,21) Announced to shepherds the birth of Jesus (Luke 2:8-15) Direct the child Jesus flee to Egypt (Matt. 2:13-30) Ministered to Jesus at His Temptation (Matthew 4:11) Came to Jesus at Gethsemane (Luke 22:43) Rolled away the stone at Jesus' tomb (Matt. 28:2) Announced to the women His Resurrection (Matt. 28:5-7) Presented Him to Mary Magdalene (John 20:11-14) Opened prison doors for the apostles (Acts 4:19) Directed Philip to the Ethiopian (Acts 8:26) Released Peter from prison (Acts 12:7-9) Peter's angel (Acts 12:15) Struck Herod Dead (Acts 12:23) Directed Cornelius (Acts 10:3) Stood by Paul during the storm (Acts 27:23) ~~ Angels in the Epistles and RevelationThere are Elect angels (I Tim. 5:21) Angels are Innumerable (Heb. 12:22; Revelation 5:11) Ministers to Heirs of Salvation (Heb. 1:13,14) Angels will come with Jesus in flaming fire (II Thes. 1:7) 7 Churches have Guardian Angels (Rev. 1:20;2;8,12,18) Valiant, Donn Thor angels/messengers in human bodies were created by Jesus Christ Himself to assist U.S. gov't in 1930s to fight against Nazi during WW II and their controllers ET Greys from Zeta Reticuli star system, some 35 light years away. The readers can check it out the information for themselves.2x2friendsworkers.proboards.com/thread/98/angel-god-talked-eisenhower-1957?page=1"The Truth is NOT for men, but ONLY for those who SEEK it."---- Ryn RandI think you have just proved that there are verses in the bible that people can use to justify just about anything... Even Commander Thor from Venus. Who would have thunk it!
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 14:05:48 GMT -5
This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Thanks for your response. Do you think we will be completely without physical form and rule the earth only as invisible spirits? I think if there is such a thing as an afterlife, we will definitely not be in physical form and it will definitely not be on earth. Earth is not going to be here forever, it's sun will die, it could be hit and destroyed at anytime. Doesn't make any sense that we would be here for eternity knowing that does it?
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 14:54:03 GMT -5
I think you have just proved that there are verses in the bible that people can use to justify just about anything... Even Commander Thor from Venus. Who would have thunk it! Did you know the two human angels came with the Lord/Jesus to talk with Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their son Isaac. It was these two human looking angels came from the planet Venus that rescued Lot and his family from Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis chapters 17-19. There are a lot of interesting information were left out in the Bible on purpose. Jesus Christ the Almighty God lives on the planet of Venus with His created human looking angels/messengers! Race of Venusians for thousands and perhaps, millions of years.1) Dr. Stranges' lecture/speech of his meeting with Valiant Thor at the Pentagon in 1957. Listen at 49:00 where Dr. Frank talks about Valiant Thor taken him to his space ship Victor One, "Dr. Frank which part of the earth history would you see ?" He replied, " The Dead Sea Scrolls!".. www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5AaOpXRWsQ2) Dr. and Pastor Stranges speaking about the history Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. Declassified Dead Sea Scrolls secrets by Valiant Thor from Venus planet.(Listen at 16:00) Ezekiel the prophet saw the chariot of fire/the wheel within the wheel= UFO and he entered it. In the scrolls speak of actual accounts of UFO/stars crafts landing, communicating with angelical heavenly messengers/beings, with the citizens from planets in our system and beyond who did not suffer the curse of the law from the planet earth, Prophets, priests, kings in the Old and New Testament spoke with angels in their own native languages. They were instructed by these messengers sent from God of what to do certain situation. (Listen at 20:00) Jesus Christ is more than a man. Jesus Christ was God incarnated. The Bible is far from complete. KJV in the 16th century has been deliberated place out of context to confuse the scholars and the readers, the gap between the first and second verse of Genesis chapter 1. There was a civilization before Adam... this civilization (Kuello) grew and rose in great power, in majesty, in Science, reach tremendous height of intelligent, able to built rockets to other planets. Greed, hate and distrust among the Kuello Civilization. God stopped from spreading their hatred to other planets. (Listen 26:00) We are NOT alone in the Universe! God sent His angels to assist mankind through the ages. The Old Testament prophets anointed with holy oil directly from the planet Venus and Jupiter. Noah's ark was surrounded by a force field, very similar to the ring of fire. Ezekiel prophet went on a UFO craft.. a wheel within a wheel to a planet Venus for 30 days. (listen 50:00) Story about Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah cities... God/Elohim (God the Son/Jesus) talked to Abraham and Sarah in Genesis chapters 17-19, then He sent and instructed two his angels from Venus planet to rescue Lot and his family. The angels rode the chariot of fire= fire sent from the space craft to destroy the two wicked cities. (54:00) Speak about Ezekiel at the age of 30 yr. old, he went on aboard of the space craft and the angels look like men .... Ezekiel traveled above the heavens/had fellowship with the angels. They ate together. Ezekiel was shown of the future. The angels came afar to help mankind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sFHVDo7XKEWhere does it say in the bible that the angels were from Venus? However, it still seems like the bible can be used to prove just about anything. However, let's not hijack this thread with alien stuff okay Nathan.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2015 15:36:29 GMT -5
This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Maryhig, Could you describe what you mean by "worldly life?"As for as, "hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication; I know many people who don't have any of things in their life NOW and they don't believe in ANY Supernatural Being called a god.
They are atheists. Do you have any explanation why this is so?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2015 15:52:12 GMT -5
This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Maryhig, Could you describe what you mean by "worldly life?"As for as, "hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication; I know many people who don't have any of things in their life NOW and they don't believe in ANY Supernatural Being called a god.
They are atheists. Do you have any explanation why this is so?God really does work in mysterious ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 16:01:38 GMT -5
This should be happening now, it's called the new birth! Where Jesus sends the spirit of God onto the heart and we become anew! Our old lives have passed away and we are new. Thus a different person is created. Gone is hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication, etc.etc. gone is the old flesh. Replaced by the covering of Christ, love, gentleness, giving. Forgiveness, faithfulness. Grateful for everyday and the blessings God has blessed you with through love of God in the heart. This is death to self and the new birth! When Christ enters the heart with Gods holy spirit it's the end of your world, the end of the worldy life. You enter into Gods kingdom here on earth through the spirit not the flesh because the flesh should be dead and buried and a new life is flourishing in you through the holy spirit, and if this is so, you will be showing the works of God through your life. Because your life should be following Jesus. And you should be a picture of him to others. Helping, guiding, loving, bringing the lost sheep home to the father. The deciples caught no fish until the listened to the instructions of Jesus. And we will catch no man unless we listen to the instructions of Gods spirit through Christ on the heart, and put off our old man, and put in the new. Which is the life of Jesus Chris our lord the son of our holy father. The only one God almighty! Maryhig, Could you describe what you mean by "worldly life?"As for as, "hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication; I know many people who don't have any of things in their life NOW and they don't believe in ANY Supernatural Being called a god.
They are atheists. Do you have any explanation why this is so?even though they deny him they are still mimicking his commandments/ways...
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Post by matisse on May 22, 2015 16:55:59 GMT -5
Maryhig, Could you describe what you mean by "worldly life?"As for as, "hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication; I know many people who don't have any of things in their life NOW and they don't believe in ANY Supernatural Being called a god.
They are atheists. Do you have any explanation why this is so? even though they deny him they are still mimicking his commandments/ways... ...Or every last bit of it is completely human. That makes much more sense to me.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 16:58:37 GMT -5
Maryhig, Could you describe what you mean by "worldly life?"As for as, "hardness, bitterness, spitefulness, greed, the love of money, lust, fornication; I know many people who don't have any of things in their life NOW and they don't believe in ANY Supernatural Being called a god.
They are atheists. Do you have any explanation why this is so? even though they deny him they are still mimicking his commandments/ways... Oh good grief! Humans have slowly figured out the best ways to get along as a cohesive unit and survive, long before there was any thought of the Christian God. He was just a twinkle in the universe's eye.
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Post by Greg on May 22, 2015 19:04:00 GMT -5
That is why I started a new thread.... I will answer your question the angels came from the Planet Venus thread. With any luck, on another board. Oh, not so lucky.
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