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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 25, 2015 23:43:23 GMT -5
Here is an email that has been being sent out recently. I removed his address/email and phone number.
Leslie White xxxxxxxxxxx Maine xxxxxxxxxx
Nearly three years ago I was accused of a terrible thing that completely surprised and startled me for I knew I was falsely accused but hardly knew how to respond, and what to do. However I had faith the matter would ultimately be resolved and our good family name restored. I am so very grateful for the Workers and Friends who have stood by me during these painful, dark, days. God has provided a peace and comfort during this time that I have been very grateful for. Your prayers, letters, emails, and telephone calls have been such a strong support, and have helped to sustain me spiritually and physically.
Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime. Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter. Because of all this effort I am now able to write this letter today with the hope of clearing our family name.
Ultimately local authorities also dropped the complaint and made no charges due to lack of evidence.
This experience has been very painful and humbling and it has taught me so very much. I pray these lessons will stay with me the rest of my days.
Please note, during the next five or six months I plan to be in Colorado working with some of the Friends.
Thank you for your prayers, interest, and every kindness.
Your brother,
Leslie White
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 26, 2015 0:06:31 GMT -5
Not sure just why he feels his family name needed restoration. The allegations were about him, not his family name. His name could be Flipper Magoo, and the allegations would have been the same.
I am so very grateful for the Workers and Friends who have stood by me during these painful, dark, days. God has provided a peace and comfort during this time that I have been very grateful for. Your prayers, letters, emails, and telephone calls have been such a strong support, and have helped to sustain me spiritually and physically.
Interestingly, the exact same statement could be said by the sister worker who made the allegations. I have corresponded with several workers and friends who have been, and remain, very supportive of her.
Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime. Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter. Because of all this effort I am now able to write this letter today with the hope of clearing our family name.
And there are others who say that he was present at the time and place of his alleged crime. Ultimately local authorities also dropped the complaint and made no charges due to lack of evidence.
Strangely enough, Joel Heap, who has handled the investigation mentioned today that the case is still open. Unfortunately, Leslie's lawyer has kept him from being interviewed. Hard to do when he was in another state.
Please note, during the next five or six months I plan to be in Colorado working with some of the Friends.
SInce Leslie now has an alibi, and the time and events have been proven to show he wasn't present....... I am sure that since he is returning to Colorado he will be happy to meet with Joel, and present this evidence that has been found, and the list of people who were officially interviewed. I am a bit curious as to what constitutes 'officially interviewed'.
I would also suppose that those who were officially interviewed will be happy to give statements to Joel as well.
It is good that Leslie will be back within the state of Colorado. Much easier to pay him a visit and get a statement from him.
I spoke with the (ex) sister worker today, and she is doing very well. I don't expect her to come here and comment, as she is very busy this week getting ready for an exciting move in her life.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 26, 2015 0:36:58 GMT -5
My first reaction to this letter was: Who believes the "lack of sufficient evidence to prosecute" is any indication of innocence? All it has to mean is that circumstances don't allow for a "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" conviction, so they're not going to waste public money on it.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 26, 2015 3:30:51 GMT -5
This is just one of many issues concerning Leslie. There are several documented issues, such as when an arbitrator was hired in a sexual harassment case, another issue in Colorado concerning harassment of a young woman, and others as well. It would reflect pretty poorly on the church if he were to be reinstated.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 26, 2015 3:39:04 GMT -5
Wouldn't it seem more logical that, if he were reinstated, he'd return to the mid-Atlantic states where he was when he was asked to leave? "Going to Colorado" sounds to me like he's going there to live and/or work with some of his supporters. I got clear indication from a couple of elderly men in Colorado that Leslie, when he was there, did not treat his workers well.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 26, 2015 4:15:34 GMT -5
Presumably there's a bunch of friends in Colorado who have been supporting him and he feels compelled to go there - logical to go where your financial/moral support is. "Working with some of the friends" could mean providing spiritual support/leadership to them. Leslie is around 80? They may just be tired of him where he has been..... Yes he is about that age. Not everyone in Colorado supports him. I am pretty sure I know where he is headed, as do others. Ever wonder just why he left there?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 26, 2015 23:43:56 GMT -5
So have some of the friends provided (concocted) an alibi. Did they do so on oath, has this been tested in court. I wonder if they have ever heard of "perverting the course of justice" and "perjury", In NZ both are an indictable offence and you are up for a maximum of seven years stirring porridge for her majesty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 9:02:09 GMT -5
So have some of the friends provided (concocted) an alibi. Did they do so on oath, has this been tested in court. I wonder if they have ever heard of "perverting the course of justice" and "perjury", In NZ both are an indictable offence and you are up for a maximum of seven years stirring porridge for her majesty. I believe this is correct, but only if the offender is found out, caught, prosecuted, tried in a court of Law and found guilty. Sometime it is extremely difficult to get through all those stages for obvious reasons.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 27, 2015 9:52:54 GMT -5
Whichever officials "officially interviewed" and constructed the "body of evidence" mentioned in this paragraph remain conspicuously unreferenced in this letter. If the investigation was undertaken entirely by some "Workers and Friends" as implied, without any involvement from authorities, then one wonders how "conclusive" the results can be. I suspect no authorities were involved at all, because surely stating that such-and-such police department had investigated would add more weight to the paragraph. (To my experience, if an advertisement for a beach hotel doesn't mention the view, it probably does not have one.)
This is just how the letter reads to me, with no particular knowledge or bias concerning the case. It reads like "spin".
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Post by Gene on Feb 27, 2015 21:01:24 GMT -5
Here is an email that has been being sent out recently. I removed his address/email and phone number. Leslie White xxxxxxxxxxx Maine xxxxxxxxxx
Nearly three years ago I was accused of a terrible thing that completely surprised and startled me for I knew I was falsely accused but hardly knew how to respond, and what to do. However I had faith the matter would ultimately be resolved and our good family name restored. I am so very grateful for the Workers and Friends who have stood by me during these painful, dark, days. God has provided a peace and comfort during this time that I have been very grateful for. Your prayers, letters, emails, and telephone calls have been such a strong support, and have helped to sustain me spiritually and physically.
Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime. Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter. Because of all this effort I am now able to write this letter today with the hope of clearing our family name.
Ultimately local authorities also dropped the complaint and made no charges due to lack of evidence.
This experience has been very painful and humbling and it has taught me so very much. I pray these lessons will stay with me the rest of my days.
Please note, during the next five or six months I plan to be in Colorado working with some of the Friends.
Thank you for your prayers, interest, and every kindness.
Your brother,
Leslie White"I was not present at the time of the alleged crime." Reminds me of a parking ticket we once were issued... which was later dismissed. Not because we were not parked illegally, but because the officer wrote 10:00 AM on the parking ticket instead of 10:00 PM. We were not parked there at 10:00 AM... and so the citation was dismissed.
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 27, 2015 21:57:27 GMT -5
There he was..........GONE
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Post by rational on Feb 28, 2015 3:26:42 GMT -5
So have some of the friends provided (concocted) an alibi. Did they do so on oath, has this been tested in court. I wonder if they have ever heard of "perverting the course of justice" and "perjury", In NZ both are an indictable offence and you are up for a maximum of seven years stirring porridge for her majesty. Do you actually know if the alibi was concocted? Or are you doing the same thing that you are accusing some of the friends of doing?
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 28, 2015 8:39:37 GMT -5
Whichever officials "officially interviewed" and constructed the "body of evidence" mentioned in this paragraph remain conspicuously unreferenced in this letter. If the investigation was undertaken entirely by some "Workers and Friends" as implied, without any involvement from authorities, then one wonders how "conclusive" the results can be. I suspect no authorities were involved at all, because surely stating that such-and-such police department had investigated would add more weight to the paragraph. (To my experience, if an advertisement for a beach hotel doesn't mention the view, it probably does not have one.) This is just how the letter reads to me, with no particular knowledge or bias concerning the case. It reads like "spin". What Hat: "The authorities" were not the F&Ws. Details are on WINGS at wingsbts.proboards.com/thread/177/leslie-white?page=1&scrollTo=1080 and you dont have to be a WINGS Forum member to read them.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 28, 2015 9:31:05 GMT -5
Whichever officials "officially interviewed" and constructed the "body of evidence" mentioned in this paragraph remain conspicuously unreferenced in this letter. If the investigation was undertaken entirely by some "Workers and Friends" as implied, without any involvement from authorities, then one wonders how "conclusive" the results can be. I suspect no authorities were involved at all, because surely stating that such-and-such police department had investigated would add more weight to the paragraph. (To my experience, if an advertisement for a beach hotel doesn't mention the view, it probably does not have one.) This is just how the letter reads to me, with no particular knowledge or bias concerning the case. It reads like "spin". What Hat: "The authorities" were not the F&Ws. Details are on WINGS at wingsbts.proboards.com/thread/177/leslie-white?page=1&scrollTo=1080 and you dont have to be a WINGS Forum member to read them. So the authorities have cleared him? This is what the letter would have us think but as I mentioned it's more implied than stated. I'm not seeing that on the thread. I think you might have missed White's claim in the letter, which I quoted.
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Post by matisse on Feb 28, 2015 9:38:38 GMT -5
So the authorities have cleared him? This is what the letter would have us think but as I mentioned it's more implied than stated. I'm not seeing that on the thread. I think you might have missed White's claim in the letter, which I quoted. I read through the linked thread and see no statement indicating that Leslie has been "officially" cleared of anything. I agree with you, whathat, and do not assume that when Leslie uses the term "official" he is referring to the investigation by the sheriff's department in Colorado.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 28, 2015 10:49:40 GMT -5
Whichever officials "officially interviewed" and constructed the "body of evidence" mentioned in this paragraph remain conspicuously unreferenced in this letter. If the investigation was undertaken entirely by some "Workers and Friends" as implied, without any involvement from authorities, then one wonders how "conclusive" the results can be. I suspect no authorities were involved at all, because surely stating that such-and-such police department had investigated would add more weight to the paragraph. (To my experience, if an advertisement for a beach hotel doesn't mention the view, it probably does not have one.) This is just how the letter reads to me, with no particular knowledge or bias concerning the case. It reads like "spin". Surely such an "official investigation" by the Workers and Friends would be coordinated with one or more Overseers. Before making any conclusions, it might be useful to inquire whether the Overseers with responsibility can add their "Amen" to Leslie's letter.
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Post by mdm on Feb 28, 2015 11:50:33 GMT -5
Whichever officials "officially interviewed" and constructed the "body of evidence" mentioned in this paragraph remain conspicuously unreferenced in this letter. If the investigation was undertaken entirely by some "Workers and Friends" as implied, without any involvement from authorities, then one wonders how "conclusive" the results can be. I suspect no authorities were involved at all, because surely stating that such-and-such police department had investigated would add more weight to the paragraph. (To my experience, if an advertisement for a beach hotel doesn't mention the view, it probably does not have one.) This is just how the letter reads to me, with no particular knowledge or bias concerning the case. It reads like "spin". Surely such an "official investigation" by the Workers and Friends would be coordinated with one or more Overseers. Before making any conclusions, it might be useful to inquire whether the Overseers with responsibility can add their "Amen" to Leslie's letter. Perhaps one indication would be whether he is accepted back into the work. However, things are not that simple, as Leslie has a history of complaints against him - this was not the first one, although it may be the only allegation of a criminal behavior. How Overseers handled previous complaints but also this one is what really made me realize that they cannot be trusted. Before leaving the meetings, my husband and I made an attempt to find out Overseers' reasoning and were shocked at it. Equally shocking is their tendency to maligne the alleged victim that will not keep quiet and lack of willingness to acknowledge and apologize for mistakes made.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 28, 2015 14:13:05 GMT -5
So have some of the friends provided (concocted) an alibi. Did they do so on oath, has this been tested in court. I wonder if they have ever heard of "perverting the course of justice" and "perjury", In NZ both are an indictable offence and you are up for a maximum of seven years stirring porridge for her majesty. Do you actually know if the alibi was concocted? Or are you doing the same thing that you are accusing some of the friends of doing? Rational, the place to have that question answered is in a court before judge and jury. I am sure that LW and his cronies would love to see his name cleared in court.
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Post by Greg on Feb 28, 2015 15:17:34 GMT -5
"Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime." The whereabouts in general of Leslie ten years ago is probably fairly easily determined. Getting to specifics - as in "where was he on a certain date and certain time" - might be a bit more difficult.
"Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter." Probably true. Perhaps many were interviewed unofficially, too. The official interviews should not be thought as closely related to the unofficial, as they seem related in the paragraph grouping.
"Because of all this effort I am now able to write this letter today with the hope of clearing our family name." As long as innocence is not clear, his own name will not be clear - by some or many?. Just state the date, time, and place of alleged incident and the whereabouts of Leslie on the stated date and time. Of course that would not prove guilt, but would indicate innocence if the locations are different.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 28, 2015 21:41:20 GMT -5
Do you actually know if the alibi was concocted? Or are you doing the same thing that you are accusing some of the friends of doing? Rational, the place to have that question answered is in a court before judge and jury. I am sure that LW and his cronies would love to see his name cleared in court. That is, if they could not keep it from going to court in the first place.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 28, 2015 21:46:09 GMT -5
" Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime." The whereabouts in general of Leslie ten years ago is probably fairly easily determined. Getting to specifics - as in "where was he on a certain date and certain time" - might be a bit more difficult. " Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter." Probably true. Perhaps many were interviewed unofficially, too. The official interviews should not be thought as closely related to the unofficial, as they seem related in the paragraph grouping. " Because of all this effort I am now able to write this letter today with the hope of clearing our family name." As long as innocence is not clear, his own name will not be clear - by some or many?. Just state the date, time, and place of alleged incident and the whereabouts of Leslie on the stated date and time. Of course that would not prove guilt, but would indicate innocence if the locations are different. Leslie's family shouldn't worry. Among those who know his family -- they don't necessarily consider Leslie the best the White family's got.
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2015 9:34:39 GMT -5
Do you actually know if the alibi was concocted? Or are you doing the same thing that you are accusing some of the friends of doing? Rational, the place to have that question answered is in a court before judge and jury. I am sure that LW and his cronies would love to see his name cleared in court. My comment was not really directed toward the evidence (I have no knowledge other than what has been posted and from reading here I do not see evidence that others have much additional insight either)but rather toward the pejorative tone of the posts in questions. The bottom line is that there are a number of accusations, rumors, etc. but none that have yet been able to convince the legal system that there was sufficient proof to bring charges. If nothing else, it make it clear that if justice is wanted then the charges need to be filed with the authorities sooner rather than later.
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2015 9:44:28 GMT -5
" Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime." The whereabouts in general of Leslie ten years ago is probably fairly easily determined. Getting to specifics - as in "where was he on a certain date and certain time" - might be a bit more difficult. For people that travel a fair amount it might be difficult to know where they were on any given day 10 years ago. Unless an airline ticket, hotel receipt, passport stamp, or some other record that has bot been discarded/deleted could be located it would be anyone's guess. In this case, both sides have stated their claim but there does not yet seem to be one side with unquestionable claims.
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Post by Greg on Mar 1, 2015 18:53:37 GMT -5
" Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime." The whereabouts in general of Leslie ten years ago is probably fairly easily determined. Getting to specifics - as in "where was he on a certain date and certain time" - might be a bit more difficult. For people that travel a fair amount it might be difficult to know where they were on any given day 10 years ago. Unless an airline ticket, hotel receipt, passport stamp, or some other record that has bot been discarded/deleted could be located it would be anyone's guess. In this case, both sides have stated their claim but there does not yet seem to be one side with unquestionable claims. If the incident in question involved convention or preps, determining Leslie's proximity to the location should mot be very difficult. Hard to know what Leslie means by "time and place". An exact time of day and specific location? "I was not in the ______________ at 3{45PM (or whatever time it was)." Or perhaps a day or certain days and a general area? "I was not at that preps or at that convention at that time." Dates for most preps and conventions, if not all of them, should be pretty easily determined.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 2, 2015 17:43:09 GMT -5
For people that travel a fair amount it might be difficult to know where they were on any given day 10 years ago. Unless an airline ticket, hotel receipt, passport stamp, or some other record that has bot been discarded/deleted could be located it would be anyone's guess. In this case, both sides have stated their claim but there does not yet seem to be one side with unquestionable claims. If the incident in question involved convention or preps, determining Leslie's proximity to the location should mot be very difficult. Hard to know what Leslie means by "time and place". An exact time of day and specific location? "I was not in the ______________ at 3{45PM (or whatever time it was)." Or perhaps a day or certain days and a general area? "I was not at that preps or at that convention at that time." Dates for most preps and conventions, if not all of them, should be pretty easily determined. There's a piece of advice for anyone who is feeling harassed. They should keep a log of specific times, places, and offensive activities of the accused, including and warning(s) the accuser has given the accused. It's standard procedure in the field of education -- I've kept a number of them over the years, the majority of them on female students. In all likelihood the offender is not keeping his own log of such events, so it's no longer a simple he-said-she-said situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 13:07:20 GMT -5
I always enjoyed hearing Leslie and William Lewis preach. They could keep me engaged and interested. People would drive hundreds of miles to hear Leslie preach.His preaching style is lacking in the "Kingdom" today.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 12, 2015 23:28:41 GMT -5
Walker, is it possible for someone like Leslie to be lead by the spirit in his preaching but not in his personal life?
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Post by matisse on Mar 13, 2015 0:37:04 GMT -5
I always enjoyed hearing Leslie and William Lewis preach. They could keep me engaged and interested. People would drive hundreds of miles to hear Leslie preach.His preaching style is lacking in the "Kingdom" today. Leslie knew he could manipulate a crowd with his speaking abilities...at least among the Friends. I am not sure it wasn't like a game for him.
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