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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 16:21:47 GMT -5
Who is being judgemental? Seems as if ettu is a victim of his emotions and the teachings of men. Very emotional outburst and being a 2x2 is very much a victim of the teachings or men.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 16:47:46 GMT -5
Who is being judgemental? Seems as if ettu is a victim of his emotions and the teachings of men. Very emotional outburst and being a 2x2 is very much a victim of the teachings or men. LOL! Just sticking to the facts ma'am, just the facts... All the best to you, Ettu
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 16:48:28 GMT -5
I think someone posted about two men in England claiming the name 2x2's and having their version of gospel meetings. That would be 5 2x2's that I know somewhat about...and maybe a 6th on this board.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 16:50:08 GMT -5
Who is being judgemental? Seems as if ettu is a victim of his emotions and the teachings of men. Very emotional outburst and being a 2x2 is very much a victim of the teachings or men. LOL! Just sticking to the facts ma'am, just the facts... All the best to you, Ettu All the best to you too, sir.
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 16:58:42 GMT -5
I think someone posted about two men in England claiming the name 2x2's and having their version of gospel meetings. That would be 5 2x2's that I know somewhat about...and maybe a 6th on this board. Emy, Nathanb, Virgo, Bert, Partaker, ettu, Christianburg, Wally, Noel, and others...Really? Emy and virgo are 2x2's?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2015 17:21:36 GMT -5
Dmm.... it was clear that Elizabeth was not posting about her own church. Some even criticised her for posting negatively about another church. She posted some information from the website of the church she was referring to. At no time did she say she attended that church. To the contrary - so stop being contrary. I am not saying that she posted about her own church.
It was obvious from the first post that she quoting another church & being critical of it. She was also comparing it to the 2x2's & other churches that she disagree with.
I knew that. My mistake was when I thought her post to virgo was about her church.
Her first post, which indeed was verbatim from a google site, was so long I hadn't noticed that her post to virgo was a part of that original post.
I apologized for that.
Actually her thread & comments indicates her disapproval of many churches as well as a judgmental attitude of other Christians.
She seems to think she knows the attributes a "True" Church & a "True" Christian.
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 17:24:58 GMT -5
Really? Emy and virgo are 2x2's? No, Emy 1 and Virgo 1... 1+1= 2. NathanB 1 and Wally 1... 1+1= 2....... 2x2s Most of the workers go forth and preach two and two.So then, emy and virgo are not 2x2's as you stated earlier? Probably none of the others, either? Just you, bert, tom, those two preachers in England, and possibly another on this board.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 18:06:18 GMT -5
No they are not 2x2s because 2x2 = 4. Emy, Virgo, Nathan and Wally = 4
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Post by emy on Jan 25, 2015 18:07:06 GMT -5
Emy, Nathanb, Virgo, Bert, Partaker, ettu, Christianburg, Wally, Noel, and others... Really? Emy and virgo are 2x2's? What is your definition of 2x2, Greg? Someone who is a worker or someone who is part of the fellowship?
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 18:17:03 GMT -5
Really? Emy and virgo are 2x2's? What is your definition of 2x2, Greg? Someone who is a worker or someone who is part of the fellowship? I am not sure what is specifically a 2x2. Nathan B has declared himself to be a 2x2. So, too, have bert, tom, and those two preachers in England (providing the ad shown at one time is authentic). So-called 2x2's are usually those part of the fellowship of friends and workers. To my knowledge, as a group there has been no acceptance of the name 2x2. Individually, though, there have been a very few on this board so indicated. A confessed or professed 2x2 (self-declared) seems to be in association with those called 2x2 by others.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2015 18:50:06 GMT -5
No they are not 2x2s because 2x2 = 4. Emy, Virgo, Nathan and Wally = 4 The 2 x/by 2 is talking about the workers going forth 2 and 2. We are 2x2 followers of Jesus. He sent his 12 apostles 2 and 2 so that is NOT bad of a name given to the friends and workers.... 2x2s. We haven't heard people call us the 4x4 any where on the Internet. 2 x/by 2 yes, but 4x4 NO! I really don't like that "name," 2x2 that has been used. Always sounded mocking to me.
I wouldn't us it now except it does seem to be better understood here that what we called ourselves, THE TRUTH or THE WAY.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2015 19:26:25 GMT -5
I really don't like that "name," 2x2 that has been used. Always sounded mocking to me.
I wouldn't us it now except it does seem to be better understood here that what we called ourselves, THE TRUTH or THE WAY.
People have used the Truth or the Way to make fun of us. That the workers and the friends calling themselves the Truth or the Way. "The Truth" or "The Way" were cut short for... The Truth in Jesus or the Way of Jesus. I like the 2x2 better. The workers go out 2 and 2. Jesus sent out the first 12 and 70 in pairs... 2x2. We who in it never used the 2x2 as any designation of ourselves.
We did use the designation ourselves as THE TRUTH OR THE WAY.
I never heard anyone use those terms, Truth or the Way, to make fun of us.
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 19:27:53 GMT -5
The 2 x/by 2 is talking about the workers going forth 2 and 2. We are 2x2 followers of Jesus. He sent his 12 apostles 2 and 2 so that is NOT bad of a name given to the friends and workers.... 2x2s. We haven't heard people call us the 4x4 any where on the Internet. 2 x/by 2 yes, but 4x4 NO! I really don't like that "name," 2x2 that has been used. Always sounded mocking to me.
I wouldn't us it now except it does seem to be better understood here that what we called ourselves, THE TRUTH or THE WAY.Perhaps the very few known 2x2's are members (in good standing?) with the friends and workers who have accepted the name 2x2's. Could be a step in acceptance and use such as when methodists became Methodists and presbyterians became Presbyterians, if I understand a bit of their history.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 19:31:38 GMT -5
I really don't like that "name," 2x2 that has been used. Always sounded mocking to me. I wouldn't use it now except it does seem to be better understood here that what we called ourselves, T HE TRUTH or THE WAY.[/font][/b][/quote] hi dmm, If I remember right, it was a name the ex's thought up as a convenience a way back when ex's and some of these discussion groups got started. Considering some of the subsequent attitudes by ex's toward and about the "2x2's" it's understandable perhaps that there's a taint of "mocking" hanging around it. Whether meant by any user or not. They also call us f&w (friends and workers) innies, friendlies, and a few more I suppose that come up when you do searches. I also appreciate your unease at calling ourselves "The truth or The way". It's a healthy unease. It's interesting, when I was growing up, so many "outsiders" just didn't get the concept of intentionally not taking a name. And derided and mocked accordingly. Many years later, when more and more historic named churches lost members to the growing "born again" movement, and for various reasons I had dealings with them, they "got it" right away when I talked about it. In fact I think everyone I talked to in these situations, thought it was kind of an interesting and neat thing. Some ex's still don't get it, or don't acknowledge any good thought about it. And seem to me to mock accordingly.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 19:38:35 GMT -5
The truth or the way is what professing people use when talking amongst and about themselves. It was never used to make fun of anyone. Professing people used it to refer to their church as being the way, and the truth. Outsiders generally do not call them the truth or the way, because they do not believe they are. It was an internal word used among those in meetings.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2015 19:42:57 GMT -5
Who is being judgemental? Seems as if ettu is a victim of his emotions and the teachings of men. Very emotional outburst and being a 2x2 is very much a victim of the teachings or men. LOL! Just sticking to the facts ma'am, just the facts... All the best to you, Ettu Hey Bert have you changed your name to Ettu
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 19:55:25 GMT -5
The truth or the way is what professing people use when talking amongst and about themselves. It was never used to make fun of anyone. Professing people used it to refer to their church as being the way, and the truth. Outsiders generally do not call them the truth or the way, because they do not believe they are. It was an internal word used among those in meetings. Yes, "The Way" sounds so very "works" based, doesn't it. Makes it sound like there is a set pattern to how we should live our lives. This is quite alien to our Western thought these days, isn't it?
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 20:01:42 GMT -5
No calling it 'the way' does not make it sound works based. Don't know how you get that from those words.
The way makes it seem like they are claiming that it is the way and no one is.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 20:05:12 GMT -5
ettu does not even sound Australian.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2015 20:09:48 GMT -5
Hey Bert have you changed your name to Ettu Bert, ettu are two different persons. I have known Ettu and Bert on TMB for more than 10 yrs.So you know them personally Nathan do you Nathan ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2015 20:10:25 GMT -5
As is usual we have gotten off the topic of the thread, The Church you read about in the Bible!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2015 20:17:28 GMT -5
ettu does not even sound Australian. It was just what he said Mary !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:20:18 GMT -5
"The Way" as I see it, refers to a manner of living, or what "path" we take in life, or even a moral a standard. Jesus' request, "Come follow me" sounded much like, "live as I live" with the exception when Jesus used it to ask some to literally follow him, or go into the Ministry.
The Gospels give the testimony of those who witnessed Jesus. The Epistles give us the story of the church which Jesus founded.
There shouldn't be any argument about this. And when it comes to something like holy days my own church does not believe them (other than the new Sabbath) because a - they were not a part of the first church b - we were warned about churches who started observing them c - implicit in the doctrine of the NT - no symbols other than the Eucharist.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 20:29:57 GMT -5
Interesting that Jesus called himself the way and the truth, and those in meetings also use these words when referring to themselves.
"I love to think the way of God, it's just the path Jesus trod."
Jesus trod the way. NO Jesus was the way.
The truth and way are names that those in meeting call themselves. It is a name use you for your church. Not your moral life as many people live moral lives. The Jehovah Witnesses also call themselves the way. Claiming theirs is the way in the same way those in meetings do. They like you, claim their church is the way and call it that when talking among themselves. It does not refer to away of life, but to your church being the way.
In the truth we do this...... it is used in the same way as any name is used. People did not like calling it the truth so they call it the 2x2s. I refuse to call it the truth as it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:33:32 GMT -5
I really don't like that "name," 2x2 that has been used. Always sounded mocking to me. I wouldn't use it now except it does seem to be better understood here that what we called ourselves, T HE TRUTH or THE WAY.[/font][/b][/quote] In regard to the name thing, Elizabeth Coleman wrote the following ...I accept anyone as a fellow Christian who accepts Jesus as his/her Lord and Savior and is trusting only in Him ... for their salvation. I don't care where they go to church. I don't care what they wear. I don't care who made the building they worship in.... I know two-by-twos who are genuine Christians because they are trusting in Christ ... After reading the above, I had to say, yeah, y'know what, I believe that too..! This is good. I wonder what name people like us should call ourselves? The ex's, the un-friendlies, the born agains, the truth, the We have found the way people, God's children, the Genuine Christians, what? After all, I've been told you have to have some sort of name, or be called something. For convenience in talking about "us" at least. And perhaps for legal convenience too, should such a need perhaps arise? Just "Christians" is not really very helpful considering the wide range that name takes in. Are all or any of the above okay? Whatever "they" want to call genuine God's people like us? And what's more now, we get the concept of Non denominational in regard to ourselves and our faith. We are not denominational. We don't need to belong to a denomination. Of course now we also truly understand that indeed our origins are from the sea of Galilee, from the beginning and Jesus and those that believed in faith down through the generation until now. Yikes!!! This is starting to sound a terribly lot like the lies the 2x2's spew! Of course it is not possible that these true thoughts have crossed Their minds, especially the way they were taught to us, certainly not in their correct meanings. That's for sure...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:37:59 GMT -5
Quote - "Interesting that Jesus called himself the way and the truth, and those in meetings also use these words when referring to themselves."
Really? I have never called myself The Way, nor have I ever heard anyone else in my church call themselves The Way. Anyone can say (be it true or false) that they are WALKING IN THE WAY, but that's different.
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Post by Mary on Jan 25, 2015 20:39:45 GMT -5
The way is not used as often as The truth. The Way was used more by the older folk. You do not seem to be denying that The truth is used as a name amongst you.
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Post by Greg on Jan 25, 2015 20:40:30 GMT -5
oops somehow I created two posts the same... How does one delete a post? Click on the gear in the upper right part of the post box and select delete.
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