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Post by rational on Nov 30, 2014 23:23:30 GMT -5
NathanB - this is simple. To be the nephew of Admiral Byrd, Harley would have to be the son of the Admiral Byrd's brother, Harry F. Byrd Sr. The son of Harry F. Byrd Sr. was named Harry F. Byrd Jr. and was a senator from VA. Harry F. Byrd did not have any other sons. Harry F Byrd Jr. died July 30, 2013. There is no one named Harley in that generation. End of that story. The Byrd family name is an old name with lots of people listed with a variety of names. We were looking at a single individual who claimed to be the son of Harry F. Byrd Sr., the nephew of Admiral Byrd. The diary and the tall tales told have been demonstrated time and time to be false. Which diary are you talking about is false? Admiral Richard E. Byrd or Harley A. Byrd?The diary that Harley claimed his uncle wrote. You know, the ones that were in the pocket of the suit he was buried in. When they had the graveside open casket. When his wife dug through his pockets and gave the papers to Harley. You remember Harley - the nephew of whom there is no record. Harley was a fraud. That really calls into question any of his claims. He took money from people under false pretenses to develop his free energy machine.
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Post by rational on Nov 30, 2014 23:26:25 GMT -5
And I am getting heavy viewers on my Valiant Thor page is up to 25,000 viewers! Wow! Dumbo meets Timothy Mouse got 242,207 views. It really must be true!
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Post by rational on Nov 30, 2014 23:31:56 GMT -5
The point is, NathanB, that Harley is not the nephew of Admiral Byrd. You have shown the offspring of someone named Harley Byrd but you have not shown that he was the son of the Admiral's brother. That would be the link that makes him a nephew. I am sure there are multiple Harley Byrds out there. That does not make them nephews of the Admiral. NathanB - this is simple. To be the nephew of Admiral Byrd, Harley would have to be the son of the Admiral Byrd's brother, Harry F. Byrd Sr. The son of Harry F. Byrd Sr. was named Harry F. Byrd Jr. and was a senator from VA. Harry F. Byrd did not have any other sons. Harry F Byrd Jr. died July 30, 2013. There is no one named Harley in that generation. End of that story. The Byrd family name is an old name with lots of people listed with a variety of names. We were looking at a single individual who claimed to be the son of Harry F. Byrd Sr., the nephew of Admiral Byrd. The diary and the tall tales told have been demonstrated time and time to be false. Harley Andrew Bryd is in the family tree of the Bryd.
Harley Andrew Byrd was born September 20, 1938 in FULTON, MISS.. He married (1) Gayle Lewis February 1957. He married (2) Shela Welch 1983 in CALIFORNIA. She was born April 29, 1935. Child of Harley Byrd and Gayle Lewis is: Anthony James9 Byrd, born June 1, 1957.
Descendants of Harley Andrew Bird:
7 Tiney Arrine Byrd b: February 19, 1908 d: August 1993 TEMPERANCE, MI. ................... +Darl Alton Moyer b: February 21, 1908 EGYPT, PA. d: October 11, 1989 TEMPERANCE, MI. ................... 8 Billy Ray Moyer b: January 6, 1928 PORUM OK d: February 10, 1931 PORUM OK ................... 8 Darl Alton Moyer b: June 1, 1929 PORUM OK d: October 19, 1930 PORUM OK ................... 8 Denny Joe Moyer b: January 6, 1930 PORUM OK d: October 15, 1930 PORUM OK ................... 8 Betty Joan Moyer b: January 5, 1933 ................... 8 Tommy Moyer b: August 15, 1935 PORUM OK ................ 7 Loney Harold Byrd b: November 1, 1911 d: December 8, 1913 High Early, Cem. McIntosh CO.,OK. ................ 7 Everett Byrd b: June 23, 1914 Muskogee CO.,OK. d: May 17, 1994 JOHANNESBURG, CALIFORNIA ................... +Irene Delilah Tarkington b: November 18, 1915 GOREWOOD, TX. d: November 23, 1996 WARNER MEM. CEM. WARNER, MUSKOGEE CO. ,OK. ................... 8 Eddie Levoy Byrd b: August 20, 1935 MUSKOGEE OKLAHOMA ...................... +Gerre Gale Engard ...................... 9 Tommy Ingard Byrd b: July 9, 1964 ...................... 9 Scott Edward Byrd b: June 30, 1966 ...................... 9 Anna Elizabeth Byrd b: December 8, 1968 d: October 8, 1969 ................... 8 Harley Andrew Byrd b: September 20, 1938 FULTON, MISS. ...................... +Gayle Lewis ...................... 9 Anthony James Byrd b: June 1, 1957 ................... *2nd Wife of Harley Andrew Byrd: ...................... +Shela Welch b: April 29, 1935
familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/r/David-W-Barnett-Oklahoma/ODT5-0010.html
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Post by rational on Nov 30, 2014 23:56:47 GMT -5
Wow! Dumbo meets Timothy Mouse got 242,207 views. It really must be true! I think the 242,000 views are the kids! To them it's true...Given the number of your cut and paste posts I would not be surprised if 1/ 2 of them were yours! Believe what you wish NathanB. Do you have a count of repeat views?
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Post by rational on Nov 30, 2014 23:59:09 GMT -5
<snip> deleted spin applied by NathanB to avoid answering the question regarding how Admiral Byrd could have a nephew named Harley. Just answer the question, NathanB.
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Post by rational on Dec 1, 2014 11:34:29 GMT -5
I put two choices out there.... Nephew or grandson.... both relationships make Harley Andrew Byrd related to Admiral Richard E. Byrd. You could also say he was his brother but you would still have to produce proof. We know that Admiral Byrd has a brother. We know that brother had a son. This is the only possibility for a nephew and Harley does not figure in. Can you point to the grandson named Harley? You posted the family tree and there is no grandson named Harley. Here is a completely unsupported idea. An unknown person calling a radio station saying they were the grandson. And you don't even have the transcropt og the radio show but just someone's memory of it. Useless information. This was the same show where the caller stated that the casket was open at the grave site and his grandmother went through the pockets of the deceased and pulled out some papers. At the national cemetery. Have you ever been to a funeral? Have you ever seen an open casket at the grave site of a military burial? Do you think they dressed the corpse with an old suit that just happened to have the diary in the pocket of the jacket? Come on NathanB, think about it. And, again, this was just the recollection of a listener telling about an unknown caller on the Art Bell show. Seems like there would have been photos of the grandmother going through the pockets of her husband at the cemetery! Nope - don't buy it!
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 1, 2014 17:34:30 GMT -5
No, you are not alone in the Universe. I know.
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Post by rational on Dec 2, 2014 10:26:45 GMT -5
Harley A. Byrd is NOT the only person has Richard E. Byrd's diary.... But that is not the question. Harley claimed to be Admiral Byrd's nephew. This is a lie. You are not trying to claim grandson. That too is a lie. Here is another question - where are the original documents? A handwriting analysis would be a start at proof. What??? The originals are not available? Wow! What a surprise. Stop posting the same text over and over, NathanB. Post some proof of the claims instead. BTW - the recalled conversation of a radio show where an unconfirmed called made claims is not really solid proof! Now I have a copy of this diary on my computer. Shall I post a copy and call it additional verification? The copies were for sale? But no originals. What a shame 'Harley' lost them. Reminds me of the gold plates claimed by Joseph Smith! But let's look at one of the entries claimed: 1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.If you are rushed for time do you note you are making a hasty entry? How do you know it will be tha last entry? If I was brought into a situation like was described I would expect to be making a lot more entries, and I suspect an explorer like Byrd would also be thinking about recording the events. Read it and think about what you would be writing. Would you really note that you did not know what was going to be happening or would you write about what was happening? Come on NathanB, this is not the work of Admiral Byrd.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2014 15:55:22 GMT -5
Nathan you should give some thought to what is written. Rational makes some very good points. If you were in a hurry would you write what you wanted to get written down or would you waste time writing you were in a hurry? It appears that the writer of this fiction had plenty of time which should raise some red flags for you and make you suspect something isn't quite right.
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Post by rational on Dec 2, 2014 21:31:58 GMT -5
Admiral Byrd's diary is TRUE. Are the original documents available for examination? Are there photos of the original documents? How odd! February at the north pole. How could the ground be seen? Of more interest is the use of a Sun compass from a moving plane when the sun was not visible. Let's look at a bit of the 'diary' for comic relief: 1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft.
They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!I guess the use of 20 exclamation points doesn't seem strange. Nor the use of the phrase "My GOD!!!"
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Post by Lee on Dec 2, 2014 22:00:35 GMT -5
Why is it so hard for you to understand that the collision of Spirit and matter, AKA mankind, will naturally be polarized by degrees of atheism and theism? There are no degrees of atheism. Either you believe in a god or you don't. Really simple. Personally I do not believe in any paranormal entities or phenomenon so that rules out the 'Spirit' as well. Speak for yourself. Many are the experiences of those who have been enticed to the pleasure or advantage of sin. Just as many have been victorious for rejecting sin's folly.
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Post by Lee on Dec 2, 2014 22:04:42 GMT -5
Mostly like yours does. If we could cleanse the doors of perception, of the illusion of perception, we would see pure physical activity, correct? Just answer the questions, Lee. And use English, please.
You are sounding a bit..how should I say this..- a bit "strange" again. On this thread? I'm just saying that if you hold to a physical view of all things, as all atheists must, you have no basis to believe consciousness is anything more than the rambling perturbations of meaningless, nothingness.
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Post by rational on Dec 3, 2014 1:00:58 GMT -5
There are no degrees of atheism. Either you believe in a god or you don't. Really simple. Personally I do not believe in any paranormal entities or phenomenon so that rules out the 'Spirit' as well. Speak for yourself. Many are the experiences of those who have been enticed to the pleasure or advantage of sin. Just as many have been victorious for rejecting sin's folly. Actually, I am speaking about the definition of the word atheist. Unless you redefine it there are no degrees. It has nothing to do with sin or pleasure. It is a matter either believing or not. As for sin, that is only available to the theists.
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Post by rational on Dec 3, 2014 1:07:56 GMT -5
I'm just saying that if you hold to a physical view of all things, as all atheists must, you have no basis to believe consciousness is anything more than the rambling perturbations of meaningless, nothingness. I think everyone has a basis to consider consciousness to be any number of things and attach different meanings. Atheists do not feel the need to tie it to any paranormal being. Perhaps you could explain why you feel your view has more meaning. With examples to help those of us who have limited understanding, please.
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Post by Lee on Dec 3, 2014 22:31:20 GMT -5
I'm just saying that if you hold to a physical view of all things, as all atheists must, you have no basis to believe consciousness is anything more than the rambling perturbations of meaningless, nothingness. I think everyone has a basis to consider consciousness to be any number of things and attach different meanings. Atheists do not feel the need to tie it to any paranormal being. Perhaps you could explain why you feel your view has more meaning. With examples to help those of us who have limited understanding, please. Atheists believe there is no reality apart from what is physical, and there is no reality apart from the occasion of its manifestation. The atheist's consciousness is wholly arbitrary.
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Post by rational on Dec 4, 2014 8:43:48 GMT -5
I think everyone has a basis to consider consciousness to be any number of things and attach different meanings. Atheists do not feel the need to tie it to any paranormal being. Perhaps you could explain why you feel your view has more meaning. With examples to help those of us who have limited understanding, please. Atheists believe there is no reality apart from what is physical, and there is no reality apart from the occasion of its manifestation. The atheist's consciousness is wholly arbitrary. Atheists do not believe in a deity or deities. What you are writing about is what you believe about your beliefs contrasted with what you believe atheists believe. You would be hard pressed to demonstrate that the consciousness of an individual varies with their beliefs. How could you show the veracity of your claims? (That is a lot of beliefs in a single sentence!)
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Post by Lee on Dec 7, 2014 7:07:05 GMT -5
The fine aspects of consciousness are inexplicable apart from a non-physical theory of consciousness. Apart from a miracle, how does indeterminacy, freewill, volition, and aesthetical absolute proceed from the physical state?
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Post by rational on Dec 7, 2014 12:00:52 GMT -5
The fine aspects of consciousness are inexplicable apart from a non-physical theory of consciousness. Apart from a miracle, how does indeterminacy, freewill, volition, and aesthetical absolute proceed from the physical state? You are now talking about a theory that you believe and not consciousness. Can you definr what you mean by "aesthetical absolute"? What are the "fine aspects of consciousness"? Freewill, it seems, may be a myth that we have convinced ourselves to believe. It seems like your post contains the equivalent of weasel words rather than simply stating the point you are trying to make. It reminds me of the creationists invention of micro and macro evolution to explain evolution that cannot be denied.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 7, 2014 17:36:20 GMT -5
I think everyone has a basis to consider consciousness to be any number of things and attach different meanings. Atheists do not feel the need to tie it to any paranormal being. Perhaps you could explain why you feel your view has more meaning. With examples to help those of us who have limited understanding, please. Atheists believe there is no reality apart from what is physical, and there is no reality apart from the occasion of its manifestation. The atheist's consciousness is wholly arbitrary. Ah lee, there you go again! Trying to define what Atheists believe!
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