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Post by Annan on Jul 9, 2014 13:53:03 GMT -5
Well, the way I look at it, is that when God had to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden of Paradise...he likely decided He should make more humans out of the dust and dew so that they could populate the earth! I have to wonder why all creation except man was spoke into being. What is the significance of man being modeled from the dust of the earth? Or am I in error here?
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Post by snow on Jul 9, 2014 14:56:58 GMT -5
For me this is another reason why I don't believe humanity started from just 2 people and then Noah's family. Too small a gene pool, too many issues. Well, the way I look at it, is that when God had to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden of Paradise...he likely decided He should make more humans out of the dust and dew so that they could populate the earth! There isn't anything in the bible that speaks for that or certainly nothing against God doing such a thing....I believe He likely did form more humans. And I'm not certain the "rib" story is what we should believe....just a story to show the woman was subject to the man! Well there must have been more than Adam and Eve if Cain was given a wife from another area. It doesn't sound like she was his sister. The story is so vague and filled with inaccuracies, to put it politely, that I don't understand why it is given any thought that it might be literally true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 18:36:47 GMT -5
Well, the way I look at it, is that when God had to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden of Paradise...he likely decided He should make more humans out of the dust and dew so that they could populate the earth! There isn't anything in the bible that speaks for that or certainly nothing against God doing such a thing....I believe He likely did form more humans. And I'm not certain the "rib" story is what we should believe....just a story to show the woman was subject to the man! Well there must have been more than Adam and Eve if Cain was given a wife from another area. It doesn't sound like she was his sister. The story is so vague and filled with inaccuracies, to put it politely, that I don't understand why it is given any thought that it might be literally true. even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 9, 2014 21:23:34 GMT -5
Well there must have been more than Adam and Eve if Cain was given a wife from another area. It doesn't sound like she was his sister. The story is so vague and filled with inaccuracies, to put it politely, that I don't understand why it is given any thought that it might be literally true. even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... Not necessarily so, wally -- especially if you believe in evolution !!!
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Post by rational on Jul 9, 2014 23:27:15 GMT -5
even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... mother's and sons. Father's and daughters.
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2014 0:46:04 GMT -5
Well there must have been more than Adam and Eve if Cain was given a wife from another area. It doesn't sound like she was his sister. The story is so vague and filled with inaccuracies, to put it politely, that I don't understand why it is given any thought that it might be literally true. even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... Umm that isn't really how that works Wally. Not saying there haven't been sisters marrying brothers, but it wasn't necessary to populate the earth.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 11, 2014 22:03:48 GMT -5
Well there must have been more than Adam and Eve if Cain was given a wife from another area. It doesn't sound like she was his sister. The story is so vague and filled with inaccuracies, to put it politely, that I don't understand why it is given any thought that it might be literally true. even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... Wally, I believe that shows how little you know about evolution!
It might be a good idea if you actually studied the subject of evolution.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:15:01 GMT -5
even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... Wally, I believe that shows how little you know about evolution!
It might be a good idea if you actually studied the subject of evolution.
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:19:55 GMT -5
even if you believe in evolution someone somewhere had to take a sister as a mate to populate the earth... mother's and sons. Father's and daughters. so you see incest had to play a roll...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 11, 2014 22:24:38 GMT -5
For me this is another reason why I don't believe humanity started from just 2 people and then Noah's family. Too small a gene pool, too many issues. Well, the way I look at it, is that when God had to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden of Paradise...he likely decided He should make more humans out of the dust and dew so that they could populate the earth! There isn't anything in the bible that speaks for that or certainly nothing against God doing such a thing....I believe He likely did form more humans. And I'm not certain the "rib" story is what we should believe....just a story to show the woman was subject to the man! Hey, now! Aren't you "adding" to the scripture when you say something is "the way I look at it?"
It doesn't say anything like, "he likely decided He should make more humans out of the dust and dew so that they could populate the earth!
That isn't in the Bible!
Just because someone can't understand how something happened, do you think that gives them license to speculate on the scripture?
I thought that you weren't suppose to add to or take away from the scripture.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 11, 2014 22:27:01 GMT -5
Wally, I believe that shows how little you know about evolution!
It might be a good idea if you actually studied the subject of evolution.
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more... It's like I told you wally, you need to take a class or read a book or something about evolution.
You are displaying the fact that you know next to nothing about the subject.
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Post by rational on Jul 12, 2014 0:16:22 GMT -5
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more... There are so many points about this that support the comment that you would benefit from a good introductory course in evolution, one provided by a non-secular organization.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2014 0:44:17 GMT -5
Wally, I believe that shows how little you know about evolution!
It might be a good idea if you actually studied the subject of evolution.
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more... Not if you begin with asexual reproduction. Primates weren't the first animal life, you know.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2014 0:46:34 GMT -5
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more... There are so many points about this that support the comment that you would benefit from a good introductory course in evolution, one provided by a non-secular organization. You mean a "secular" organization???
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Post by rational on Jul 12, 2014 0:58:46 GMT -5
There are so many points about this that support the comment that you would benefit from a good introductory course in evolution, one provided by a non-secular organization. You mean a "secular" organization??? I did and thank you for the correction. Should have left it as "... not one provided by a non-secular organization." So much for simplification!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2014 1:08:57 GMT -5
You mean a "secular" organization??? I did and thank you for the correction. Should have left it as "... not one provided by a non-secular organization." So much for simplification! This reassures me on a couple of levels.
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Post by matisse on Jul 12, 2014 7:39:44 GMT -5
Wally, I believe that shows how little you know about evolution! :D
It might be a good idea if you actually studied the subject of evolution.
if we came from primates the first two primates had to have offspring that offspring had to mate within the family to create more... Are you imagining two new primates, male and female, popping into existence? Evolution doesn't work that way.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 12, 2014 10:07:22 GMT -5
What was there to prevent God to have made other male and female humans after the disobedience of Adam and Eve and their being thrust out of Paradise? Just because the bible doesn't say that doesn't seem to be so indicative to me that God's creative ability stopped there! There had to be something of the kind in order for Adam and Eve's sons to have married the females who didn't seem to have been "related" to each other or to Adam and Eve!
Evolution? I feel perhaps there are evolutionary changes in all species as to survive in the environment we find ourselves living in! Maybe mostly these days it would be an intellectual change.....JMO
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 12, 2014 11:10:35 GMT -5
Sounds like there were only herbivores! No doubt the carnivores were not at all happy! Or healthy. Plenty of roughage no doubt...I noticed that it says they were to eat the herb of the fields that bore seed....well, seems that's what we do these days, eh? What with wheat, oats, bran, corn, etc So perhaps those carnivores were satisfied with the fields of corn? Perhaps this is when the dinosaurs got really vicious, and that is because the humans were eating up that which the dinosaurs were depending on satisfying their appetites? I'm just glad I wasn't there at the beginning of whatever! ha ha I'm sure that you know that of course that humans didn't live at the same time as the dinosaurs.( I had to edit this I had it really screwed up the first time)
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Post by faune on Jul 16, 2014 8:38:44 GMT -5
Plenty of roughage no doubt...I noticed that it says they were to eat the herb of the fields that bore seed....well, seems that's what we do these days, eh? What with wheat, oats, bran, corn, etc So perhaps those carnivores were satisfied with the fields of corn? Perhaps this is when the dinosaurs got really vicious, and that is because the humans were eating up that which the dinosaurs were depending on satisfying their appetites? I'm just glad I wasn't there at the beginning of whatever! ha ha I'm sure that you know that of course the humans the live at the same time as the dinosaurs.The comments above reminded me of a fascinating hour long lecture I viewed recently by Richard Dawkins, the famous zoologist, about growing up in the universe on TED. I have to say that TED is one of my favorite places to visit for interesting documentaries relating to science! Around the 36 minute marker it gets down to the creation of man and his evolution. If you choose to watch this presentation to an audience of young students, it will change your perception of the universe immensely.
www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_growing_up_in_the_universe Growing Up In The Universe ~ Richard Dawkins
www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_growing_up_in_the_universe
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Post by snow on Jul 16, 2014 17:43:54 GMT -5
2) ~ Dinosaur Footprints along side with human footprint Fossils found www.bing.com/search?q=picture+of+dinasours+with+humans+footprint&src=IE-TopResult&FORM=IE11TR&conversationid=3) ~ Dinosaur and human Co-existence and Footprints dinosaurc14ages.com/footprints.htmVICTOR: "Operation XXXXX XXXXX": A highly classified, sensitive operation with far-reaching national security implications that took place in 1968. A XXXXX archaeological team uncovered a large metallic object in a remote area of southern XXXXX which is a close NATO ally of ours. The object was believed to be an ALIEN SPACECRAFT that had crashed approximately 200 million years ago [200 MYA] according to the archaeological team. The site subsequently was examined by a USAF Recovery Team, which then put the age of the ALIEN CRAFT at approximately 150 million years ago [150 MYA]. I don't think anyone can give an actual age of the site, but it was somewhere between 150 and 200 MYA, based on the location of where it was found. Our scientists used the ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD employing decaying radioactive isotopes. Sedimentary rock formations and the fact that the object was EMBEDDED INTO THE ROCK were used to estimate the age of the ALIEN CRAFT. The ALIEN CRAFT itself was 45 feet in diameter. The craft was transported to the State of XXXXX and then to the giant XXXXX lab complex in XXXXX and opened. The ALIEN CRAFT contained two (2) highly decomposed ALIEN BODIES and DECAYED ANIMALS, which were apparently abducted by these ALIEN BEINGS. The animals were small DINOSAURS on board the ALIEN CRAFT. The craft was stored at XXXXX and years of intense research were conducted. The last time I checked, the research team ruled OUT the craft being of Eben origin. However, no one could tell where it came from. The ALIEN BODIES were far too decomposed to be thoroughly examined. They were about 5 feet tall and had very large, bulbous heads. To the best of my knowledge, "Operation XXXXX XXXXX" is still an ongoing project. I personally worked on the operation in the early '70s. The instruments from the craft were interesting because they were made of small crystal-like devices, wired together with a form of very fine wire. The ALIEN PROPULSION SYSTEM contained a large chamber with what we called "Rocks" (obviously some form of energy) in the chamber. Large vents placed around the chamber vented some sort of power, radiation or some form of tremendous energy generated through the vents and into the propulsion chamber which enabled interstellar space travel. Examination of the rocks found zinc, and several unknown materials and alloys which we still cannot identify to this day. The "rocks" obviously lost all of their energy over the years. They were NOT radioactive nor did they contain any special properties. We could never power up the ALIEN CRAFT in the nearly 40 years we've had possession of it. We could NOT locate the actual power system and therefore could never operate any of the equipment contained within the craft. However, we did find a "Star Chart." The chart was created from outside of the Earth on the Alien HOME WORLD. To this day, we have been Unable to read and decipher the Alien STAR CHART. The star chart was of a deep area of space, but our scientists haven't been able to find that specific area of space. Your analogy of our work on "Operation XXXXX XXXXX" and that of transporting an SR-71 Blackbird back to the year 1200 AD was a good one: If we returned 300 years later to the year 1500 AD, little, if anything, could have been learned by our ancestors as to how the Blackbird worked. In much the same way, the amazing, almost magic-like ALIEN TECHNOLOGY on this craft has similarly stumped us; while some progress HAS been made on it since 1968, it's been MINIMAL (partially due to the poor, degraded condition of the ALIEN CRAFT). Because this is an ongoing USG project, I ask that you place "X's" over the critical names and locations [sent in a subsequent e-mail] though you have the correct information. As a brief aside, you may share the blacked out information with Dr XXXXX X XXXXX whose work on past classified USG projects bestows a certain professional courtesy upon him in that he deserves to know the particulars. Victor, I agree with you that the existence of ALIEN Civilizations who had already achieved space traveling capabilities zipping around the Milky Way Galaxy (and perhaps others) truly BOGGLES THE MIND. As you wrote to me, the Ebens "Greys" were perhaps still in their "galactic diapers" when these ALIEN BEINGS were already visiting other worlds ~~ 150-200 MYA and Homo Sapiens (humans) did not even exist! One can only wonder and speculate where a civilization -- that had already achieved interstellar space travel -- would be at TODAY technologically from 150-200 MYA! How many star systems have they visited by now? How many other alien civilizations have they made successful contact and interacted with, and perhaps carry on some sort of trade with? How many solar systems have they visited and mapped out in our Milky Way Galaxy and perhaps those of OTHER galaxies? One also has to consider the POSSIBILITY that rather than this crash having occurred in OUR timeline of 150-200 MYA, these ALIEN BEINGS traveled to Earth from the FUTURE to our distant PAST -- when DINOSAURS ruled -- as part of a research mission ... THAT also BOGGLES the mind! www.serpo.org/release30.phpNathan, they are fake. The residents in the area have admitted that they carved human footprints to make sales. It is now considered that the controversy was a mixture of misinterpretation of what they were seeing and outright hoaxes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paluxy_River
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 17, 2014 2:03:43 GMT -5
Interesting comic strip along those lines today.
This boy has a time machine and the girl wants to go to a time where people weren't so "stupid and annoying."
So he set the machine & off they went, -into the time of the dinosaurs.
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 9:31:23 GMT -5
Well ok then, if your mind is made up that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. I'll leave you to it.
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 12:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 13:14:07 GMT -5
4 u (to take from Virgo's lingo). That is your truth. Some one else will have a different truth. I believe 'truth' is subjective when dealing with something no one can prove. So Islam has the truth that works for them. Christianity has the truth that works for them. Well you get what I'm saying. I think the problem begins when these religions do not recognize that what they believe is only true for them. That what they believe is not relevant to another religions belief. I'm not saying one could be the real 'truth', but I'm also saying none of them is the real 'truth'. But the world keeps quibbling and fighting about these subjective truths. That is what bothers me I guess. My truth is not someone else's as we see here all the time... but I'm not going to fight you or kill you because you don't believe as I do. Religion at it's worst will do that. When a religion has so much invested in being 'right' then they have to fight to defend that stance. It's the way things work. I don't know what is true. There could be a God or not. That God could be Allah or Yahweh. I don't know. All our beliefs are just fine with me. I just don't want to have to die because of mine. In some countries that could happen. This is where, imo, religion fails to be all it says it is.
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 13:16:17 GMT -5
It maybe a hoax in Texas! But It's NO hoax! in Alaska, Australia of Dinosaur footprints and around the world. There were other kinds of Human beings, the Giants have been on the earth MUCH longer than Adam and Eve, who were created by God 6000 yrs ago. The earth, the dinosaurs and other kind of humans have been on the earth millions of years. Nate, the Giants that you mention above, are these the Nephilim that you`ve written about in other posts?
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 13:54:41 GMT -5
Just to be clear Nathan, it's not me asking in the above, it's uker
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 14:28:04 GMT -5
NathanB, you are welcome. I hope it helps some overcome the traditions of irrational fear & superstition. I found the material more impactful because it came from an ex-christian, now atheist, black women; statistically a most unlikely demographic to be an atheist in the USA. I suspect many now think we are living in the "last days", as they see the falling away in the global Christian congregation. The response to this enlightenment seems to be two fold; a rise of the prosperity gospel, mega churches, where the message is watering down, and a rise in the "in your face - tell it like it is approach". I like the second approach because they take a firm stand, and you know exactly where they are coming from. Here is a trending article on this second approach. I bet you will like this one better. Two Keys to Separate the True from the Counterfeit in the Last Days sidroth.org/articles/two-keys-separate-true-counterfeit-last-days?src=fb_truevscounterfeitarticle
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