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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 15:00:57 GMT -5
i personally think disease's were created after the flood... Diseases used to be called being possessed by evil spirits.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 15:04:40 GMT -5
I would think that belief alone would make you question your other beliefs? I'm not sure if you agree with evolution or believe that God created everything the way it is, but if Noah and family didn't carry those diseases then where did they come from. Do you think they might have evolved from other organisms? Or I guess the other answer is that God made them and put them on the earth in earth's humans after the flood. evolution and adaptation after the flood is okay with me... And what about all the dead animals and people that were left after the flood?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 15:10:34 GMT -5
evolution and adaptation after the flood is okay with me... And what about all the dead animals and people that were left after the flood? i dont know much about decomposition but after about a year in the elements i suspect there wasn't much left of them the fish probably got to most of them anyways...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 15:15:04 GMT -5
And what about all the dead animals and people that were left after the flood? i dont know much about decomposition but after about a year in the elements i suspect there wasn't much left of them the fish probably got to most of them anyways... You'd make a great clergyman.
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Post by Annan on Jul 6, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
just a hunch...its obvious(to me) that noah and his sons couldn't be carriers of all of earths diseases so something had to happen after the flood... like what? If noah and sons and wives were the only people seems likely they started things rolling doesn't it? Would they not then be responsible for all the genetic diseases/conditions?
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Post by rational on Jul 6, 2014 15:42:20 GMT -5
i personally think disease's were created after the flood... Why? Diseases like smallpox have only a single vector and to have been around before the flood it would have to be carried by one of the humans on the ark. Given the infection period is less than a month the people would have been dead or have built up an immunity to the disease and it would have ceased to exist. If you believe the biblical tale then god had to have created smallpox. Or you could pass the buck to Satan. I mean, would a truly just god ever visit a disease on his/her creation that would cause suffering and death among hundreds of millions? Or would an omnipotent omniscient being condone such action even at the hands of Satan?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2014 15:46:12 GMT -5
If not from the original creation story, then do you think these diseases evolved from some other created organism, or are you thinking there was a second creation? a second creation after the flood... If God felt that he had to make a second creation after the flood, why would he have went to the trouble to save Noah and all those animals from his first creation?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2014 15:50:26 GMT -5
I would think that belief alone would make you question your other beliefs? I'm not sure if you agree with evolution or believe that God created everything the way it is, but if Noah and family didn't carry those diseases then where did they come from. Do you think they might have evolved from other organisms? Or I guess the other answer is that God made them and put them on the earth in earth's humans after the flood. evolution and adaptation after the flood is okay with me... I'm sure that God is grateful for your approval, Wally.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2014 15:53:24 GMT -5
i personally think disease's were created after the flood... ehum... Wally, do you think that you should "personally" rethink what God did?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2014 15:58:22 GMT -5
My, oh my! what a conundrum! All that worry.
That is what comes from attempting to believe that an ancient document like the bible is a factual piece of literature.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:00:08 GMT -5
a second creation after the flood... If God felt that he had to make a second creation after the flood, why would he have went to the trouble to save Noah and all those animals from his first creation?
wait for it...God works in mysterious ways
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:00:54 GMT -5
evolution and adaptation after the flood is okay with me... I'm sure that God is grateful for your approval, Wally. i'm not so sure he needs my approval...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:01:24 GMT -5
i personally think disease's were created after the flood... ehum... Wally, do you think that you should "personally" rethink what God did?
nope
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Post by rational on Jul 6, 2014 16:02:07 GMT -5
a second creation after the flood... If God felt that he had to make a second creation after the flood, why would he have went to the trouble to save Noah and all those animals from his first creation?
Lack of foresight?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 6, 2014 16:44:41 GMT -5
like what? If noah and sons and wives were the only people seems likely they started things rolling doesn't it? if they had been carrying all the earths diseases they would have been the walking dead or for an example...mumps can make you sterile(not always) if they all would have had the mumps someone would have surely been sterile and therefore no children and that didn't happen. in fact there is no record that any of noahs sons were sick of anything. If it is true that BEFORE the flood, man only ate the herb of the field...then perhaps the theory that diseases happening AFTER the flood may well be tied into the fact that is when man started eating animal flesh! Gen 3 16To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." 17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field;… And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man. “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.”As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it.” Gen 9:1-7 (NASB)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:55:42 GMT -5
if they had been carrying all the earths diseases they would have been the walking dead or for an example...mumps can make you sterile(not always) if they all would have had the mumps someone would have surely been sterile and therefore no children and that didn't happen. in fact there is no record that any of noahs sons were sick of anything. If it is true that BEFORE the flood, man only ate the herb of the field...then perhaps the theory that diseases happening AFTER the flood may well be tied into the fact that is when man started eating animal flesh! Gen 3 16To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." 17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field;… And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man. “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.”As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it.” Gen 9:1-7 (NASB) vegetarians as far as i know still get some(not all) of the same diseases that meat eaters do...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 6, 2014 16:56:20 GMT -5
i personally think disease's were created after the flood... Diseases used to be called being possessed by evil spirits. Early biblical times people lived long years....well, they were vegetarians....however also we read that people's sins were noted by different body diseases and/or problems. But thinking about early man beginning to eat animal flesh, fish and eggs...they would have not had a cookbook on how to cook them to prevent the passing of various diseases from eating said meats. It does say that Noah and sons had built an altar and sacrificed clean animals and ate of those sacrifices, but we know if they sacrificed that much of animal meat then perhaps the cooking of it wasn't timely or hot enough either....so there on began to be the process of diseases passing into man....though it has been said by vets that diseases won't cross species...but I've seen some that do...which likely are exceptions to the rule! I had a Boston Terrier female that always took my colds and/or flu when I had them...and bless her heart she really suffered with them being so pugged nosed! The other Boston Terrers I had never got my cold or hers and that was something strange...the vets couldn't explain that one other then she had gotten my cold or flu.
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Post by rational on Jul 6, 2014 17:17:17 GMT -5
Early biblical times people lived long years....well, they were vegetarians....however also we read that people's sins were noted by different body diseases and/or problems. Didn't the biblical quote contain the phrase: Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you;Sounds like animals qualify as food.
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Post by rational on Jul 6, 2014 17:20:43 GMT -5
vegetarians as far as i know still get some(not all) of the same diseases that meat eaters do... Can you think of a single disease that is caused by eating meat? Not by eating tainted meat. Meat doesn't cause disease. Of course you could say eating excess meat causes some problems. But I think the discussion here is regarding diseases caused by outside agents.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 17:48:32 GMT -5
Diseases used to be called being possessed by evil spirits. Early biblical times people lived long years....well, they were vegetarians....however also we read that people's sins were noted by different body diseases and/or problems. But thinking about early man beginning to eat animal flesh, fish and eggs...they would have not had a cookbook on how to cook them to prevent the passing of various diseases from eating said meats. It does say that Noah and sons had built an altar and sacrificed clean animals and ate of those sacrifices, but we know if they sacrificed that much of animal meat then perhaps the cooking of it wasn't timely or hot enough either....so there on began to be the process of diseases passing into man.... With all due respect, you know that this is nothing more than an uneducated guess at how the Bible story could be true as told. I find it quite fanciful that the minute Noah stepped out of the ark life resumed as usual, and there is no mention of the mess left in its wake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 18:39:23 GMT -5
vegetarians as far as i know still get some(not all) of the same diseases that meat eaters do... Can you think of a single disease that is caused by eating meat? Not by eating tainted meat. Meat doesn't cause disease. Of course you could say eating excess meat causes some problems. But I think the discussion here is regarding diseases caused by outside agents. it wasn't me that tried to link eating meat with diseases i think you should really ask sharingtheriches...but yahoo had an article today trying to link breast cancer with eating red meat i don't neccesarily believe that...
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Post by rational on Jul 6, 2014 19:04:34 GMT -5
Can you think of a single disease that is caused by eating meat? Not by eating tainted meat. Meat doesn't cause disease. Of course you could say eating excess meat causes some problems. But I think the discussion here is regarding diseases caused by outside agents. it wasn't me that tried to link eating meat with diseases i think you should really ask sharingtheriches...but yahoo had an article today trying to link breast cancer with eating red meat i don't neccesarily believe that... I was responding to your post. Just looking for answers.
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Post by findingtruth on Jul 6, 2014 20:25:19 GMT -5
Early biblical times people lived long years....well, they were vegetarians....however also we read that people's sins were noted by different body diseases and/or problems. Didn't the biblical quote contain the phrase: Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you;Sounds like animals qualify as food. Humans would also qualify as food - right? What are your thoughts on that?
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Post by déjà vu on Jul 6, 2014 20:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jul 6, 2014 20:59:24 GMT -5
like what? If noah and sons and wives were the only people seems likely they started things rolling doesn't it? Would they not then be responsible for all the genetic diseases/conditions? Well if we all came from such a small gene pool...
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Post by snow on Jul 6, 2014 21:10:58 GMT -5
Early biblical times people lived long years....well, they were vegetarians....however also we read that people's sins were noted by different body diseases and/or problems. But thinking about early man beginning to eat animal flesh, fish and eggs...they would have not had a cookbook on how to cook them to prevent the passing of various diseases from eating said meats. It does say that Noah and sons had built an altar and sacrificed clean animals and ate of those sacrifices, but we know if they sacrificed that much of animal meat then perhaps the cooking of it wasn't timely or hot enough either....so there on began to be the process of diseases passing into man.... With all due respect, you know that this is nothing more than an uneducated guess at how the Bible story could be true as told. I find it quite fanciful that the minute Noah stepped out of the ark life resumed as usual, and there is no mention of the mess left in its wake. Never mind the devastation from all that water for so long, also what the salt water would have done to any vegetation. After all, this was a worldwide flood so that would mean there would be salt water involved.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 21:26:12 GMT -5
With all due respect, you know that this is nothing more than an uneducated guess at how the Bible story could be true as told. I find it quite fanciful that the minute Noah stepped out of the ark life resumed as usual, and there is no mention of the mess left in its wake. Never mind the devastation from all that water for so long, also what the salt water would have done to any vegetation. After all, this was a worldwide flood so that would mean there would be salt water involved. I think God must have created a soft antibiotic mist that rose out of the ground in the cool of the day and cleansed the earth of all past iniquity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2014 21:30:40 GMT -5
Can you think of a single disease that is caused by eating meat? Not by eating tainted meat. Meat doesn't cause disease. Of course you could say eating excess meat causes some problems. But I think the discussion here is regarding diseases caused by outside agents. it wasn't me that tried to link eating meat with diseases i think you should really ask sharingtheriches...but yahoo had an article today trying to link breast cancer with eating red meat i don't neccesarily believe that... I don't believe it of necessity either -- I just believe in he logic of it.
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