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Post by withlove on Nov 13, 2014 4:31:49 GMT -5
T hank the form governments for that, -not Christianity.
There are Christian leaders that are Reconstructionism advocates in the 21st Century:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
So what would it take for Islamic countries to get a secular government that respects human rights? Has there ever been a government that totally respected human rights? My guess it that the New World Order will happen before Islamic countries have any degree of that kind of government though- and the NWO will pretend to be secular and be terrible about human rights.
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Post by snow on Nov 13, 2014 12:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 13, 2014 14:41:50 GMT -5
So what would it take for Islamic countries to get a secular government that respects human rights? Has there ever been a government that totally respected human rights? My guess it that the New World Order will happen before Islamic countries have any degree of that kind of government though- and the NWO will pretend to be secular and be terrible about human rights. New World Order is just another conspiracy theory.
I wonder why there are some people so attracted to conspiracy theories?
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Post by withlove on Nov 13, 2014 23:41:08 GMT -5
Has there ever been a government that totally respected human rights? My guess it that the New World Order will happen before Islamic countries have any degree of that kind of government though- and the NWO will pretend to be secular and be terrible about human rights. New World Order is just another conspiracy theory.
I wonder why there are some people so attracted to conspiracy theories?I remember hearing George Bush Sr. speak publicly about the NWO. Haven't most of the recent presidents? Maybe I'm wrong. People talk openly about it and some are in favor. Although what I said about it not being secular and the terrible human rights can still definitely be considered a conspiracy theory I guess.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 14, 2014 1:56:48 GMT -5
They have had the wheels in motion for TNWO for some time. Bush was the first president to voice it. Hear it enough and people wont make too many waves.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 14, 2014 2:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 3:01:09 GMT -5
So what would it take for Islamic countries to get a secular government that respects human rights? Has there ever been a government that totally respected human rights? My guess it that the New World Order will happen before Islamic countries have any degree of that kind of government though- and the NWO will pretend to be secular and be terrible about human rights. The New World Order is a conspiracy theory. It has no relationship to what the Presidents have mentioned. New World Order (conspiracy theory) From Wikipedia,
As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government.
The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology.
Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily that part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 3:08:28 GMT -5
They have had the wheels in motion for TNWO for some time. Bush was the first president to voice it. Hear it enough and people wont make too many waves. The New World Order is a conspiracy theory. It has no relationship to what the Presidents have mentioned. New World Order (conspiracy theory) From Wikipedia,As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government. The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily that part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.
Why are people so taken up with conspiracy theories, I wonder?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 3:16:22 GMT -5
Well, of course you would believe that one also, Nathan.
Have you ever met a conspiracy theory you didn't like?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 14, 2014 5:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by withlove on Nov 14, 2014 9:59:18 GMT -5
They have had the wheels in motion for TNWO for some time. Bush was the first president to voice it. Hear it enough and people wont make too many waves. The New World Order is a conspiracy theory. It has no relationship to what the Presidents have mentioned. New World Order (conspiracy theory) From Wikipedia,As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government. The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily that part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.
Why are people so taken up with conspiracy theories, I wonder?
Ah. I haven't reviewed what the presidents said about it lately...maybe I will look it up. I've been wrong about lots of things before! What you underlined in the last paragraph makes it clear what you think are the reasons people are taken up with the NWO conspiracy. I couldn't answer why people are into conspiracy theories in general. Edited to add: For me personally, it is not hard to believe evil of people or groups of people. No matter how practical or naive a person is, being in a cult or any abusive relationship can make you not trusting and highly alert to red flags. So if someone suggests that there is a reason for X, Y, and Z, and that they are all tied together, it is not a stretch to believe it to be true. No reason to panic, but also better to be mentally prepared, in my new worldview.
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Post by fixit on Nov 14, 2014 15:31:22 GMT -5
Globalization is probably mankind's best hope for world peace.
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Post by irvinegrey on Nov 14, 2014 16:05:22 GMT -5
KENYA: Six Fatalities After Church Attacked by Gunmen Sources: Open Doors, World Watch Monitor, Christian Solidarity Worldwide Survivor of Mombasa church attack Photo: World Watch Monitor On the morning of March 23rd, as a congregation gathered for worship at their church in Likoni, a hooded gunman burst through the church's back door and began firing indiscriminately. Those who tried to flee through the church's main door were met with gunfire from several more assailants waiting outside. "They forced their way through the rear door, shot the watchman who staggered into the church before falling down. One attacker shouted 'Allah Akbar!' and started shooting in every direction," a devastated survivor shared. As suddenly as they had come, the attackers abruptly and calmly walked away, disappearing into the surrounding slums. Police later found a box containing 36 rounds of ammunition that had been left at the scene. Six Christians died from the assault, while over 20 were hospitalized. Many of the injured had gunshot wounds while others suffered soft tissue injuries due to their panicked attempts to escape the church. Although, at last report, no group had claimed responsibility for the attack, it is widely suspected to be the work of the Somali Islamic terrorist group, Al Shabaab, or its sympathizers. Persecuted Church Prayer Wall. www.persecution.net As many now grieve the loss of loved ones due to this unwarranted attack, pray that they will look to the Lord for comfort and daily strength. May He surround those suffering from resulting physical and emotional wounds with His love, and may their recovery be prompt and complete. Please also intercede for the gunmen, that they will repent of this destructive violence and develop a personal and life-transforming relationship with Jesus Christ. To post a prayer for those affected by this terrible attack, please visit our Persecuted Church Prayer Wall. I have had the privilege of preaching and teaching in Mombasa and along the Kenyan coast. Despite the persecution that Christian believers face they remain resilient because they know that God is in control. Their love for God and His Word is really humbling to observe in that they are impoverished in terms of material benefits but like the apostle Paul, they have learned that whatsoever state to be content. They live day to day with the sweet assurance of salvation that, 'to live is Christ, to die is gain.' When they are attacked during worship or at other times they continue to worship God and give Him alone the glory. Like the New Testament Church in Acts when they face difficulties the PRAY.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 17:18:33 GMT -5
Bubbles I couldn't get the site to come up from clicking on the above link. Don't know why.
However, I did copy & paste it to google and got it.
I checked one of those people who made one of those quotes.
David Spangler. Here is his statement: "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations [/u] [/b][/font] He had absolutely no official position in any governmental or scientific group.
He is a fraud. Here is his bio.David Spangler (born January 7, 1945) is an American spiritual philosopher and self-described "practical mystic." He helped transform the Findhorn Foundation in northern Scotland into a center of residential spiritual education and is a friend of William Irwin Thompson. Spangler is considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement,
You just can't click on a topic on the Internet and believe everything they say! check their source -go to "home" on the site & see what their mission is. check the person's credentials.
Do they actually have any credentials Or are they just self proclaimed?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2014 19:09:01 GMT -5
Blasphemy should never be a capital offense in the 21st century. Yet it is in some countries. Not one of them Christian majority countries. More correctly -- these countries are all secular democracies. But, if you are referring to what is in the "laws" of countries, your statement is not entirely true. New Zealand has not seen fit to remove its law against professing atheism. It was not until 2008 that blasphemy against the Church of England was removed from the criminal code. The Irish constitution requires that blasphemy be considered a crime. I know, not all cases of legal blasphemy in Christian majority countries are even prosecuted, but the same is also true for all other countries no matter what their religious majority. The ones that do get prosecuted always make big news. Also, you have to check what constitutes blasphemy in different countries -- it varies. In the UK until 2008 blasphemy meant speaking disparagingly of the established church -- of which the Queen is the head. What more often happens is all countries, is that kangaroo courts apply their own interpretation of blasphemy laws and punish accordingly. That happens all the time.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 14, 2014 19:21:18 GMT -5
Bubbles I couldn't get the site to come up from clicking on the above link. Don't know why.
However, I did copy & paste it to google and got it.
I checked one of those people who made one of those quotes.
David Spangler. Here is his statement: "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations [/u] [/b][/font] He had absolutely no official position in any governmental or scientific group.
He is a fraud. Here is his bio.David Spangler (born January 7, 1945) is an American spiritual philosopher and self-described "practical mystic." He helped transform the Findhorn Foundation in northern Scotland into a center of residential spiritual education and is a friend of William Irwin Thompson. Spangler is considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement,
You just can't click on a topic on the Internet and believe everything they say! check their source -go to "home" on the site & see what their mission is. check the person's credentials.
Do they actually have any credentials Or are they just self proclaimed?
[/quote] Spangler isnt the only person talking about it though is he? Many are.
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Post by fixit on Nov 14, 2014 19:58:17 GMT -5
Blasphemy should never be a capital offense in the 21st century. Yet it is in some countries. Not one of them Christian majority countries. More correctly -- these countries are all secular democracies. But, if you are referring to what is in the "laws" of countries, your statement is not entirely true. New Zealand has not seen fit to remove its law against professing atheism. It was not until 2008 that blasphemy against the Church of England was removed from the criminal code. The Irish constitution requires that blasphemy be considered a crime. I know, not all cases of legal blasphemy in Christian majority countries are even prosecuted, but the same is also true for all other countries no matter what their religious majority. The ones that do get prosecuted always make big news. Also, you have to check what constitutes blasphemy in different countries -- it varies. In the UK until 2008 blasphemy meant speaking disparagingly of the established church -- of which the Queen is the head. What more often happens is all countries, is that kangaroo courts apply their own interpretation of blasphemy laws and punish accordingly. That happens all the time. I agree - the laws on the statute books don't necessarily reflect the reality. The fact remains that there are people on death row in Islamic majority countries because they were convicted of blasphemy, like this woman: www.amnesty.ca/news/news-releases/pakistan-upholding-blasphemy-death-sentence-against-christian-woman-%E2%80%9Ca-grave-inju
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 20:30:32 GMT -5
NO Spangler isn't the only person being quoted there. There a whole page full, but I'm not going to go through each quote to expose who they are or whether their quote is taken out of context or whether they are just plain frauds.Y
YOU are the one that gave the link.
YOU are the one to research each quote & yours is the burden to prove whether each one has any truth in it. I will not do your research for you.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 20:41:03 GMT -5
He had absolutely no official position in any governmental or scientific group.
He is a fraud. Here is his bio.David Spangler (born January 7, 1945) is an American spiritual philosopher and self-described "practical mystic." He helped transform the Findhorn Foundation in northern Scotland into a center of residential spiritual education and is a friend of William Irwin Thompson. Spangler is considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement,
You just can't click on a topic on the Internet and believe everything they say! check their source -go to "home" on the site & see what their mission is. check the person's credentials.
Do they actually have any credentials Or are they just self proclaimed?
[/quote] Spangler isnt the only person talking about it though is he? Many are.[/quote] Bubbles, I wish you would get your post in the right place!
You have added it to mine & then post a lot of MY post on top of yours, making it appear you actually said what I said!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2014 20:55:06 GMT -5
When I was finally able to google your above link, this what it was. Still Don't Believe In The New World Order? Still Don't Believe In The New World Order? Here's some quotes if you're still confused. Revelations From Great And Powerful Men
Just how reliable do you think such a site will be?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2014 21:07:52 GMT -5
More correctly -- these countries are all secular democracies. But, if you are referring to what is in the "laws" of countries, your statement is not entirely true. New Zealand has not seen fit to remove its law against professing atheism. It was not until 2008 that blasphemy against the Church of England was removed from the criminal code. The Irish constitution requires that blasphemy be considered a crime. I know, not all cases of legal blasphemy in Christian majority countries are even prosecuted, but the same is also true for all other countries no matter what their religious majority. The ones that do get prosecuted always make big news. Also, you have to check what constitutes blasphemy in different countries -- it varies. In the UK until 2008 blasphemy meant speaking disparagingly of the established church -- of which the Queen is the head. What more often happens is all countries, is that kangaroo courts apply their own interpretation of blasphemy laws and punish accordingly. That happens all the time. I agree - the laws on the statute books don't necessarily reflect the reality. The fact remains that there are people on death row in Islamic majority countries because they were convicted of blasphemy, like this woman: www.amnesty.ca/news/news-releases/pakistan-upholding-blasphemy-death-sentence-against-christian-woman-%E2%80%9Ca-grave-injuOne thing I always find remarkable -- the only place that I have heard of 2x2s being jailed for their religious practices was in a predominantly Christian country.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 15, 2014 0:30:44 GMT -5
Dmmich Apologies for my text being in your box..the joys of using mobile. It wasnt intentional beieve me!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2014 1:08:01 GMT -5
Globalization is probably mankind's best hope for world peace. I agree, fixit.
We first had the League of Nations after WWI. A step in the right direction. Now we have the United Nations. Both have done a lot more than we often give them credit for.
Globalization is already happening economically.
We are already increasingly relying on one another. We need to increase our reliance on one another toward peace keeping.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2014 1:10:47 GMT -5
Dmmich Apologies for my text being in your box..the joys of using mobile. It wasnt intentional beieve me! Thanks, bubbles.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 15, 2014 5:01:15 GMT -5
NO Spangler isn't the only person being quoted there. There a whole page full, but I'm not going to go through each quote to expose who they are or whether their quote is taken out of context or whether they are just plain frauds.Y
YOU are the one that gave the link.
YOU are the one to research each quote & yours is the burden to prove whether each one has any truth in it. I will not do your research for you.
Thanks. Btw I dont have a burden.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2014 14:44:29 GMT -5
NO Spangler isn't the only person being quoted there. There a whole page full, but I'm not going to go through each quote to expose who they are or whether their quote is taken out of context or whether they are just plain frauds.Y
YOU are the one that gave the link.
YOU are the one to research each quote & yours is the burden to prove whether each one has any truth in it. I will not do your research for you.
Thanks. Btw I dont have a burden. Bubbles, You posted this web site:www.forbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/believe_new_world So, am I right that you believe what that link claims?
Therefore, the "'burden' of proof" that the site is correct is on your shoulders.
If one doesn't want to accept the "burden of proof" of the links that they post, perhaps they shouldn't post them to start with?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 15, 2014 15:58:21 GMT -5
Oh forgoodness sake woman lighten up you are too intense. I dont believe everything you give me credit for. Ive known for yrs about the world order plans. By other and varied sources. Only time will tell if it turns out to be true. What then? Will you be the first to apologize for the soup you stir?. Id never seen the link til 2 days ago. Havent you got anything better to do than trying to discredit every christians belief and prove them wrong?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2014 17:25:59 GMT -5
Oh forgoodness sake woman lighten up you are too intense. I dont believe everything you give me credit for. Ive known for yrs about the world order plans. By other and varied sources. Only time will tell if it turns out to be true. What then? Will you be the first to apologize for the soup you stir?.Id never seen the link til 2 days ago. Havent you got anything better to do than trying to discredit every christians belief and prove them wrong? If you don't believe everything you post, why do you post them?
Didn't you know, bubbles it is one of my duties in life is to show the crazyness of "conspiracy theories?"
If all of us who recognize them for what they are & just let them stand, people continue to believe such crap.
If we don't counter such crap, Civilization can go right down the drain in no time.
Someone has to have a level headed.
Is The New World Order a Christian belief?
I won't need to apologize since The New World Order conspiracy isn't going to happen anyway.
It is the conspiracy theorists what are "stirring the pot" of fear.
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