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Post by déjà vu on Apr 3, 2014 21:19:34 GMT -5
KENYA: Six Fatalities After Church Attacked by Gunmen Sources: Open Doors, World Watch Monitor, Christian Solidarity Worldwide Survivor of Mombasa church attack Photo: World Watch Monitor On the morning of March 23rd, as a congregation gathered for worship at their church in Likoni, a hooded gunman burst through the church's back door and began firing indiscriminately. Those who tried to flee through the church's main door were met with gunfire from several more assailants waiting outside. "They forced their way through the rear door, shot the watchman who staggered into the church before falling down. One attacker shouted 'Allah Akbar!' and started shooting in every direction," a devastated survivor shared. As suddenly as they had come, the attackers abruptly and calmly walked away, disappearing into the surrounding slums. Police later found a box containing 36 rounds of ammunition that had been left at the scene. Six Christians died from the assault, while over 20 were hospitalized. Many of the injured had gunshot wounds while others suffered soft tissue injuries due to their panicked attempts to escape the church. Although, at last report, no group had claimed responsibility for the attack, it is widely suspected to be the work of the Somali Islamic terrorist group, Al Shabaab, or its sympathizers. Persecuted Church Prayer Wall. www.persecution.net As many now grieve the loss of loved ones due to this unwarranted attack, pray that they will look to the Lord for comfort and daily strength. May He surround those suffering from resulting physical and emotional wounds with His love, and may their recovery be prompt and complete. Please also intercede for the gunmen, that they will repent of this destructive violence and develop a personal and life-transforming relationship with Jesus Christ. To post a prayer for those affected by this terrible attack, please visit our Persecuted Church Prayer Wall.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2014 21:39:34 GMT -5
KENYA: Six Fatalities After Church Attacked by Gunmen Sources: Open Doors, World Watch Monitor, Christian Solidarity Worldwide Survivor of Mombasa church attack Photo: World Watch Monitor On the morning of March 23rd, as a congregation gathered for worship at their church in Likoni, a hooded gunman burst through the church's back door and began firing indiscriminately. Those who tried to flee through the church's main door were met with gunfire from several more assailants waiting outside. "They forced their way through the rear door, shot the watchman who staggered into the church before falling down. One attacker shouted 'Allah Akbar!' and started shooting in every direction," a devastated survivor shared. As suddenly as they had come, the attackers abruptly and calmly walked away, disappearing into the surrounding slums. Police later found a box containing 36 rounds of ammunition that had been left at the scene. Six Christians died from the assault, while over 20 were hospitalized. Many of the injured had gunshot wounds while others suffered soft tissue injuries due to their panicked attempts to escape the church. Although, at last report, no group had claimed responsibility for the attack, it is widely suspected to be the work of the Somali Islamic terrorist group, Al Shabaab, or its sympathizers. Persecuted Church Prayer Wall. www.persecution.net As many now grieve the loss of loved ones due to this unwarranted attack, pray that they will look to the Lord for comfort and daily strength. May He surround those suffering from resulting physical and emotional wounds with His love, and may their recovery be prompt and complete. Please also intercede for the gunmen, that they will repent of this destructive violence and develop a personal and life-transforming relationship with Jesus Christ. To post a prayer for those affected by this terrible attack, please visit our Persecuted Church Prayer Wall. You do know that Christians have a persecution fetish, don't you?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2014 21:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 22:16:19 GMT -5
dead bodies don't lie...
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 3, 2014 22:37:04 GMT -5
It is not unusual, although ironic , for both groups of people in opposing "camps" to have persecution complexes, at the same time. Fear is a great motivator of these complexes, and sometimes legitimate to be afraid and sometimes not. Each group does not understand WHY the other group should be afraid of "us". "We" are the" sane safe" ones , and "you" are the "illogical scary " guys. Many a "war" fought over fear of the "others", religious, ethnic, race etc. etc. Get rid of those "scary" guys, eliminate them. Civil wars are raging this moment over these matters. Alvin ps-Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you This atheist support group acknowledges they share the same "complex" as Christians- It is no secret among atheists living in the U.S. that our Christian neighbors have a bit of a persecution complex (i.e., a deep conviction that they are being persecuted in spite of no evidence to support such a claim). They not only have an overwhelming majority in terms of numbers, but they exert stifling control over every branch of government in every state. And yet, it seems like many of them are always whining about how they are persecuted for their religion. But what about atheists? Do we run the risk of developing our own persecution complex?............. When I look at atheism in the U.S., I see some similarities. Survey after survey reveals that we are the most hated minority group in America. This is nothing new. One could easily argue that we share with Christians the feature of having persecution as a key part of our earliest experience. And even though the notion of projection does not seem to fit us particularly well, we should remain vigilant to the possibility. Read more: www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/are-atheists-at-risk-of-developing.html#ixzz2xstnwPi4
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Post by snow on Apr 3, 2014 22:53:06 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes...
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 3, 2014 22:55:54 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... and on it goes. What do we blame it on when the killing is between people with NO religion? Alvin
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Post by snow on Apr 3, 2014 22:57:01 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... and on it goes. What do we blame it on when the killing is between people with NO religion? Alvin stupidity
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 3, 2014 23:02:39 GMT -5
Yes, and I think I also misunderstood your post, as you were commenting on the original one , which you commented on correctly , and I apologize. Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 4, 2014 0:32:15 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 4, 2014 0:35:32 GMT -5
It is not unusual, although ironic , for both groups of people in opposing "camps" to have persecution complexes, at the same time. Fear is a great motivator of these complexes, and sometimes legitimate to be afraid and sometimes not. Each group does not understand WHY the other group should be afraid of "us". "We" are the" sane safe" ones , and "you" are the "illogical scary " guys. Many a "war" fought over fear of the "others", religious, ethnic, race etc. etc. Get rid of those "scary" guys, eliminate them. Civil wars are raging this moment over these matters. Alvin ps-Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you This atheist support group acknowledges they share the same "complex" as Christians- It is no secret among atheists living in the U.S. that our Christian neighbors have a bit of a persecution complex (i.e., a deep conviction that they are being persecuted in spite of no evidence to support such a claim). They not only have an overwhelming majority in terms of numbers, but they exert stifling control over every branch of government in every state. And yet, it seems like many of them are always whining about how they are persecuted for their religion. But what about atheists? Do we run the risk of developing our own persecution complex?............. When I look at atheism in the U.S., I see some similarities. Survey after survey reveals that we are the most hated minority group in America. This is nothing new. One could easily argue that we share with Christians the feature of having persecution as a key part of our earliest experience. And even though the notion of projection does not seem to fit us particularly well, we should remain vigilant to the possibility. Read more: www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/are-atheists-at-risk-of-developing.html#ixzz2xstnwPi4Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 4, 2014 0:36:39 GMT -5
It is not unusual, although ironic , for both groups of people in opposing "camps" to have persecution complexes, at the same time. Fear is a great motivator of these complexes, and sometimes legitimate to be afraid and sometimes not. Each group does not understand WHY the other group should be afraid of "us". "We" are the" sane safe" ones , and "you" are the "illogical scary " guys. Many a "war" fought over fear of the "others", religious, ethnic, race etc. etc. Get rid of those "scary" guys, eliminate them. Civil wars are raging this moment over these matters. Alvin ps-Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you This atheist support group acknowledges they share the same "complex" as Christians- It is no secret among atheists living in the U.S. that our Christian neighbors have a bit of a persecution complex (i.e., a deep conviction that they are being persecuted in spite of no evidence to support such a claim). They not only have an overwhelming majority in terms of numbers, but they exert stifling control over every branch of government in every state. And yet, it seems like many of them are always whining about how they are persecuted for their religion. But what about atheists? Do we run the risk of developing our own persecution complex?............. When I look at atheism in the U.S., I see some similarities. Survey after survey reveals that we are the most hated minority group in America. This is nothing new. One could easily argue that we share with Christians the feature of having persecution as a key part of our earliest experience. And even though the notion of projection does not seem to fit us particularly well, we should remain vigilant to the possibility. Read more: www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/are-atheists-at-risk-of-developing.html#ixzz2xstnwPi4I wouldn't sax Christians have a persecution complex -- it's more like a persecution fetish.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 4, 2014 0:37:18 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... and on it goes. What do we blame it on when the killing is between people with NO religion? Alvin Where does that happen?
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Post by xna on Apr 4, 2014 8:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 4, 2014 8:20:35 GMT -5
Quick list someone made up where religion was not the real reason behind a war- some debatable. Lots of myths out there. Alvin 1.) The Seven Years’ War (Britain & France) 2.)The American Revolution 3.)The French Revolution 4.)The Napoleonic Wars (France & Europe) 5.)The Revolutions in the Americas 6.)The Wars to create and preserve the British Empire (Boer War, Irish Revolution, and the Great Game with Russia would all be examples) 7.)The American Civil War 8.)The Crimean War 9.)The Spanish-American War 10.)The Great War, The War to End All Wars, or World War I (whatever you want to call it) 11.)The Italian invasion of Ethiopia 12.)The Spanish Civil War 13.)Stalin’s invasions of Finland, the Baltic states, and Poland 14.)World War II 15.)The Chinese Revolution 16.)The Cold War, including but not limited to the Korean War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the American intervention in Grenada, and the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan 17.)The Cultural Revolution in China (If you don’t want to call this a war I’ll concede it) 18.)Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge Revolution 19.)The Falklands War 20.)The Persian Gulf War between Iran & Iraq 21.)The Persian Gulf War between the United Nations and Iraq The Breakup of Yugoslavia (beginning with Slovenia).
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -5
Yes, and I think I also misunderstood your post, as you were commenting on the original one , which you commented on correctly , and I apologize. Alvin no problem
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 4, 2014 11:31:34 GMT -5
"Persecution fetish" seems an oddly accurate term.
I have seen interviews in which members of the Westboro Baptist Church were downright giddy with the persecution they faced. It gave them reassurance in their eyes that they were on "God's side" and the rest of the evil, unrepentant world was out to get them, just as is promised in the Bible.
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2014 18:26:54 GMT -5
This is an interesting map. It seems weighted towards one particular religion.
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Post by déjà vu on Jul 11, 2014 0:16:35 GMT -5
NIGERIA: Dozens Murdered in Brutal Attack on Christian Villages
Source: World Watch Monitor
Some of the parents of Chibok's kidnapped girls. Photo: World Watch Monitor
At least 50 believers were killed and five churches burned to the ground on June 29th when militants launched ruthless assaults on Christian villages near Chibok, Borno State.
The violence began as believers were gathering for Sunday worship. "The attackers fired at worshippers, and those who tried to escape were chased and gunned down. They killed anything they (had) seen. Even animals were not left alive. Many people fled to the bush. They also set fire (to) houses and other properties before leaving the village," a survivor of the carnage explained.
Chibok is the same area where hundreds of schoolgirls, many of them Christians, were abducted from their dormitory in April. More than 200 of these girls remain missing. (For more information on the kidnappings, click here.)
After yet another attack on the church in Nigeria, pray that the believers there will continue to find their daily strength from our Lord. May they also look to Jesus for the willingness and ability to forgive and love their persecutors. Pray that God will grant healing and peace to those left injured and in mourning after this latest assault in the Chibok area. May governing authorities be swift to provide adequate security and justice to these believers and others throughout Nigeria. Also lift up the girls who remain missing, asking that they soon be released unharmed.
To post a prayer of love and support for these suffering believers, please visit our online prayer wall.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 2:05:16 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... they weren't christians then
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 2:10:54 GMT -5
It is not unusual, although ironic , for both groups of people in opposing "camps" to have persecution complexes, at the same time. Fear is a great motivator of these complexes, and sometimes legitimate to be afraid and sometimes not. Each group does not understand WHY the other group should be afraid of "us". "We" are the" sane safe" ones , and "you" are the "illogical scary " guys. Many a "war" fought over fear of the "others", religious, ethnic, race etc. etc. Get rid of those "scary" guys, eliminate them. Civil wars are raging this moment over these matters. Alvin ps-Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you This atheist support group acknowledges they share the same "complex" as Christians- It is no secret among atheists living in the U.S. that our Christian neighbors have a bit of a persecution complex (i.e., a deep conviction that they are being persecuted in spite of no evidence to support such a claim). They not only have an overwhelming majority in terms of numbers, but they exert stifling control over every branch of government in every state. And yet, it seems like many of them are always whining about how they are persecuted for their religion. But what about atheists? Do we run the risk of developing our own persecution complex?............. When I look at atheism in the U.S., I see some similarities. Survey after survey reveals that we are the most hated minority group in America. This is nothing new. One could easily argue that we share with Christians the feature of having persecution as a key part of our earliest experience. And even though the notion of projection does not seem to fit us particularly well, we should remain vigilant to the possibility. Read more: www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/are-atheists-at-risk-of-developing.html#ixzz2xstnwPi4Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ. Interestingly i know many atheists who freely say they are atheists they're still walking the street
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 11, 2014 2:29:28 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... they weren't christians then How can you tell that?
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Post by Mary on Jul 11, 2014 3:03:58 GMT -5
Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ. Interestingly i know many atheists who freely say they are atheists they're still walking the street Shows his ignorance about NZ doesn't it virgo. Saying you are an atheist in NZ is no different from saying you are one in America.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 3:38:37 GMT -5
There is large scale persecution of Christians in Vietnam --- by 2x2 leadership. A systematic, ruthless and wide spread persecution sponsored entirely by North American 2x2 membership-(check that thread!) 0ver 2500 posts on the subject. As well as www.2x2vietnam.info/
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Post by xna on Jul 11, 2014 8:10:28 GMT -5
One religion killing members of another religion. What else is new? My god is better than your god syndrome. Christians used to kill other Christians just because they didn't agree on doctrine. And on it goes... they weren't christians then "Not true Christians" review youtu.be/_HJrAaGJudw
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 11, 2014 14:37:50 GMT -5
It is not unusual, although ironic , for both groups of people in opposing "camps" to have persecution complexes, at the same time. Fear is a great motivator of these complexes, and sometimes legitimate to be afraid and sometimes not. Each group does not understand WHY the other group should be afraid of "us". "We" are the" sane safe" ones , and "you" are the "illogical scary " guys. Many a "war" fought over fear of the "others", religious, ethnic, race etc. etc. Get rid of those "scary" guys, eliminate them. Civil wars are raging this moment over these matters. Alvin ps-Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you This atheist support group acknowledges they share the same "complex" as Christians- It is no secret among atheists living in the U.S. that our Christian neighbors have a bit of a persecution complex (i.e., a deep conviction that they are being persecuted in spite of no evidence to support such a claim). They not only have an overwhelming majority in terms of numbers, but they exert stifling control over every branch of government in every state. And yet, it seems like many of them are always whining about how they are persecuted for their religion. But what about atheists? Do we run the risk of developing our own persecution complex?............. When I look at atheism in the U.S., I see some similarities. Survey after survey reveals that we are the most hated minority group in America. This is nothing new. One could easily argue that we share with Christians the feature of having persecution as a key part of our earliest experience. And even though the notion of projection does not seem to fit us particularly well, we should remain vigilant to the possibility. Read more: www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/are-atheists-at-risk-of-developing.html#ixzz2xstnwPi4Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ. Never heard that one Bob and doubt it's true.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 11, 2014 15:19:25 GMT -5
Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ. Interestingly i know many atheists who freely say they are atheists they're still walking the street I believe you, of course. But that doesn't mean they can't be arrested. As in most things, file a complaint with the police about one and see what can happen.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 11, 2014 15:22:45 GMT -5
Interestingly, in New Zealand you can be arrested for saying you're an atheist. We should send all the paranoid Christians to NZ. Never heard that one Bob and doubt it's true. Have you checked the NZ criminal code?
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