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Post by snow on Nov 10, 2014 21:56:55 GMT -5
That's just another book on something that's been old news and rehashed in a 1000 different ways. Rabbi's were supposed to be married and have children. So it would make sense I guess that he was married. But there is nothing that I know of that can prove that one way or the other. They can't even prove he existed in the first place, never mind married with children.
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Post by fixit on Nov 10, 2014 22:18:47 GMT -5
Snow ~ Maybe having a difference of opinion is considered persecution here? For some reason, people always feel persecuted by those they don't agree with, regardless who they may be and what their beliefs? JMT
That can be part of it. However, there is some pretty brutal stuff going on right now between the Muslims and the Christians in the Middle East. Two religions of peace supposedly and look at them. I do not see a belief in God as an advantage for our world. It seems to be the biggest danger out there. IS is doing more damage to Muslims than to Christians. Islamists are opposed to secular society and the whole international community - 21st century civilisation. Their dream is to turn the world back to the glory days of 1500 years ago.
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2014 10:36:32 GMT -5
That can be part of it. However, there is some pretty brutal stuff going on right now between the Muslims and the Christians in the Middle East. Two religions of peace supposedly and look at them. I do not see a belief in God as an advantage for our world. It seems to be the biggest danger out there. IS is doing more damage to Muslims than to Christians. Islamists are opposed to secular society and the whole international community - 21st century civilisation. Their dream is to turn the world back to the glory days of 1500 years ago. I think it is the Wahhabi sect of Muslims that are doing the most damage to their religion. That is what Saudi Arabia is and they are some of the richest, most powerful Muslims around and they have the support of the States. This angers Muslims of a less dangerous sect and puts them in a very precarious situation.
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Post by fixit on Nov 11, 2014 13:40:31 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Muslims totally reject secularism as anti-Islamic, which makes them pretty difficult to get along with.
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 11, 2014 16:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:55:22 GMT -5
sorry i couldn't stomach watching the whole thing. it probably took alot of pressure from the white house to pull it...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 17:15:47 GMT -5
Crap! utter crap! Mr. Tell!
OBAMA DID NOT SAY THAT HE WAS A MUSLIM!
OBAMA said, "many people have Muslims in their families, or have lived in Muslin majority country. I know because I'm one of them."
Obama's words that "I am one of them" is not saying that HE is a MUSLIM!
He is only saying he is also has some people that are Muslims in his family and/or he had once lived in a majority Muslim country! end. period.
You, Mr. Tell, might could say the same thing if you have Muslims in your family or might have lived at one time in a majority Muslim country. That would not make you a Muslim.
There lies & then there are huge LIES made people who know that they are telling lies!
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Post by matisse on Nov 11, 2014 17:25:33 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Muslims totally reject secularism as anti-Islamic, which makes them pretty difficult to get along with. Similarly, there are Christians, perhaps even some posting to this thread, who believe that if one is not Christian, one is part of the anti-Christ!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 17:32:59 GMT -5
sorry i couldn't stomach watching the whole thing. it probably took alot of pressure from the white house to pull it... Wally, why don't you check whether something is crap before you swallow it hook line & sinker?
Might save you from having a stomach-ache!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 17:41:16 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Muslims totally reject secularism as anti-Islamic, which makes them pretty difficult to get along with. Fundamentalist Christians also reject secularism as being anti-Christian. They want to turn the US to the Christian dominated rules of old Europe.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 17:43:10 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Muslims totally reject secularism as anti-Islamic, which makes them pretty difficult to get along with. Similarly, there are Christians, perhaps even some posting to this thread, who believe that if one is not Christian, one is part of the anti-Christ! Ah, Yes, we know Who that is!
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Post by fixit on Nov 11, 2014 17:56:05 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Muslims totally reject secularism as anti-Islamic, which makes them pretty difficult to get along with. Fundamentalist Christians also reject secularism as being anti-Christian. They want to turn the US to the Christian dominated rules of old Europe.prove it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 18:04:18 GMT -5
I think Obama's father was Muslim and he was sent to a Muslim school growing up but that could be made up too?? no its true...not that its bad news
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Post by fixit on Nov 11, 2014 18:12:12 GMT -5
I think Obama's father was Muslim and he was sent to a Muslim school growing up but that could be made up too??
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 19:27:59 GMT -5
Fundamentalist Christians also reject secularism as being anti-Christian. They want to turn the US to the Christian dominated rules of old Europe. prove it! Here is your proof. Christian Reconstructionism is a fundamentalist[1] Calvinist theonomic movement, founded by Rousas John Rushdoony, that has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States. Christian Reconstructionists advocate a theocratic government and libertarian economic principles. They maintain a distinction of sphere of authority between family, church, and state.[6][7] For example, enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is done by family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses is outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). Prominent advocates of Christian Reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry,[8][9] active homosexuals,[10] adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers,[11] and perhaps even recalcitrant youths[12] Although relatively insignificant in terms of the number of self-described adherents, Christian Reconstructionism has played a role in promoting the trend toward explicitly Christian politics in the larger U.S. Christian Right There is a lot about it on wiki also PublicEye.org. Here's is few of better known Reconstructionism advocates:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
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Post by fixit on Nov 11, 2014 21:26:20 GMT -5
I'm with you dmmichgood - I think everyone on the planet should have the right to secular government.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 21:43:15 GMT -5
Here is your proof. Christian Reconstructionism is a fundamentalist[1] Calvinist theonomic movement, founded by Rousas John Rushdoony, that has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States. Christian Reconstructionists advocate a theocratic government and libertarian economic principles. They maintain a distinction of sphere of authority between family, church, and state.[6][7] For example, enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is done by family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses is outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). Prominent advocates of Christian Reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry,[8][9] active homosexuals,[10] adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers,[11] and perhaps even recalcitrant youths[12] Although relatively insignificant in terms of the number of self-described adherents, Christian Reconstructionism has played a role in promoting the trend toward explicitly Christian politics in the larger U.S. Christian Right There is a lot about it on wiki also PublicEye.org. Here's is few of better known Reconstructionism advocates:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
i smell conspiracy theory here...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2014 21:53:04 GMT -5
Here is your proof. Christian Reconstructionism is a fundamentalist[1] Calvinist theonomic movement, founded by Rousas John Rushdoony, that has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States. Christian Reconstructionists advocate a theocratic government and libertarian economic principles. They maintain a distinction of sphere of authority between family, church, and state.[6][7] For example, enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is done by family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses is outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). Prominent advocates of Christian Reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry,[8][9] active homosexuals,[10] adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers,[11] and perhaps even recalcitrant youths[12] Although relatively insignificant in terms of the number of self-described adherents, Christian Reconstructionism has played a role in promoting the trend toward explicitly Christian politics in the larger U.S. Christian Right There is a lot about it on wiki also PublicEye.org. Here's is few of better known Reconstructionism advocates:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
i smell conspiracy theory here... Why conspiracy theory, wally?
Do you think that Christian Reconstructionists don't really exist
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 23:21:19 GMT -5
i smell conspiracy theory here... Why conspiracy theory, wally?
Do you think that Christian Reconstructionists don't really exist
i think they are as influential as the westboro baptist church...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 12, 2014 0:03:57 GMT -5
Why conspiracy theory, wally?
Do you think that Christian Reconstructionists don't really exist
i think they are as influential as the westboro baptist church... The Westboro Baptist church doesn't even belong in the same league as these men, wally. I am sure you know that.
Let's just take Tim LaHaye for one: "He attended the conservative Bob Jones University and became a Baptist pastor before working as a radio and television personality. In the 1970s, LaHaye helped establish the Moral Majority with Jerry Falwell and others. I
In 1995, he brought his vision of The Rapture to the world of literature when he co-authored the best-selling Left Behind series with Jerry Jenkins." wiki
You don't think that he is influential with all the preaching he's done or all the books he has written?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 0:12:27 GMT -5
i think they are as influential as the westboro baptist church... The Westboro Baptist church doesn't even belong in the same league as these men, wally. I am sure you know that.
Let's just take Tim LaHaye for one: "He attended the conservative Bob Jones University and became a Baptist pastor before working as a radio and television personality. In the 1970s, LaHaye helped establish the Moral Majority with Jerry Falwell and others. I
In 1995, he brought his vision of The Rapture to the world of literature when he co-authored the best-selling Left Behind series with Jerry Jenkins." wiki
You don't think that he is influential with all the preaching he's done or all the books he has written?
i didn't recognize the name until you said "left behind series" maybe i haven't been paying enough attention to the christian right
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 12, 2014 0:34:16 GMT -5
The Westboro Baptist church doesn't even belong in the same league as these men, wally. I am sure you know that.
Let's just take Tim LaHaye for one: "He attended the conservative Bob Jones University and became a Baptist pastor before working as a radio and television personality. In the 1970s, LaHaye helped establish the Moral Majority with Jerry Falwell and others. I
In 1995, he brought his vision of The Rapture to the world of literature when he co-authored the best-selling Left Behind series with Jerry Jenkins." wiki
You don't think that he is influential with all the preaching he's done or all the books he has written?
i didn't recognize the name until you said "left behind series" maybe i haven't been paying enough attention to the christian right. Do you think that maybe you are already so embedded in the Christian Right doctrine that you aren't even aware of where it is coming from?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 12:13:21 GMT -5
i didn't recognize the name until you said "left behind series" maybe i haven't been paying enough attention to the christian right. Do you think that maybe you are already so embedded in the Christian Right doctrine that you aren't even aware of where it is coming from?
i'm pretty far right but not enough to declare homosexuality a capital offense...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 12, 2014 16:42:59 GMT -5
Do you think that maybe you are already so embedded in the Christian Right doctrine that you aren't even aware of where it is coming from?
i'm pretty far right but not enough to declare homosexuality a capital offense... How about idolatry,, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers,and perhaps even recalcitrant youths?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 16:50:11 GMT -5
i'm pretty far right but not enough to declare homosexuality a capital offense... How about idolatry,, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers,and perhaps even recalcitrant youths?
none of those would be a capital offense...
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Post by fixit on Nov 12, 2014 17:53:29 GMT -5
Blasphemy should never be a capital offense in the 21st century.
Yet it is in some countries.
Not one of them Christian majority countries.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 12, 2014 23:54:55 GMT -5
Blasphemy should never be a capital offense in the 21st century. Yet it is in some countries. Not one of them Christian majority countries.T hank the form governments for that, -not Christianity.
There are Christian leaders that are Reconstructionism advocates in the 21st Century:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
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Post by fixit on Nov 13, 2014 1:33:31 GMT -5
Blasphemy should never be a capital offense in the 21st century. Yet it is in some countries. Not one of them Christian majority countries.T hank the form governments for that, -not Christianity.
There are Christian leaders that are Reconstructionism advocates in the 21st Century:
Tim LaHaye
D. James Kennedy
Terry Randal
Don Wildmon
Jay Grimsyead
John Whitehead
Francis Schaeffer
So what would it take for Islamic countries to get a secular government that respects human rights?
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