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Post by xna on May 10, 2014 14:23:50 GMT -5
If you do the math the salvation rate according to the F&W is real eye opener. Using the most conservative estimate at the time of the Noah story flood, the world population was 5,000,000, and god saved 8. That works out to 0.00016% success rate in Noah's day. Today if all F&W go to heaven, the success rate is a much improved rate of 0.002%. But since we are now much closer to the last day than Noah was after the flood, biblically things are suppose to be getting worse. This agrees with what I heard from the platform that not all workers will go to heaven. So if it's as bad now as in Noah's day, then using 150,000 F&W, a 0.00016% heaven success rate, then a grand total of 24 F&W alive today will be saved. The odds of F&W being saved then would be 1 in 6,250! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates Hi, Is it correct that "biblically things are suppose to be getting worse"? I remember reading where "deceivers" will wax worse or to that effect, but can't recall the scripture that the "world" or that "things' will be getting worse?? I thought it would never get as bad as "noah's " time... but I could be mistaken ?. That would be the second time in my life I was mistaken , the first one was when I thought I was wrong, and it turned out I was right after all LOL Alvin ------ As I understand the story, things got so bad that god killed everyone except eight good ones in a big douching. Soon after that things again get worse until the 2nd coming when it's gets as bad as it was in Noah's days. The "second getting worse" was is what I was think of. I could be wrong on this as well. Matthew 24:37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. :-)
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Post by snow on May 11, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
Nathan, so you really think you can fit all the kinds of animals on earth with all their food on a boat of those dimensions? Not possible. Noah and his family had over 100 yrs to prepare and built the Ark, foods for the animals. I wouldn't be surprised they hired helpers to help them with the Ark and store the foods. They found the Noah Ark on Mt. Ararat, where the Bible say it came to rest, so it was possible. We have Noah's Ark as evidence.I'm talking about the dimensions. Was it big enough to hold all the animals and birds and other things like insects etc? What they found wasn't very big. Even some of the cruise ships they have today would not hold two of everything, food enough for all the animals and 8 humans.
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Post by snow on May 11, 2014 9:56:42 GMT -5
What? Are you saying there were no animals on the ark? Also, do you believe in evolution? I didn't think you did. And, if you do, do you hold the a young earth? If you do, then how could every evolve to what we see today in such a short period of time? adaptation and evolution had to happen after the flood, yes i still believe in a young earth, yes there were plenty of animal phyla/sub-species on the ark for this to happen, they evolved through the miracle that God worked. if he could create the earth in six days he could certainly evolve animals and planets in a short period of time Ok
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Post by rational on May 12, 2014 15:23:56 GMT -5
Nathan, so you really think you can fit all the kinds of animals on earth with all their food on a boat of those dimensions? Not possible. The animals and their food (which in many cases was just more animals!)(and the animals to feed the animals that would be food for the animals that were to be saved) were all freeze dried. And put into those space saving bags that are then evacuated to save space. Soon all that was left was the rainbow from the dead unicorn. Or from the gay pride flag. Or the gay unicorns.
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Post by Greg on May 13, 2014 14:12:52 GMT -5
I'm talking about the dimensions. Was it big enough to hold all the animals and birds and other things like insects etc? What they found wasn't very big. Even some of the cruise ships they have today would not hold two of everything, food enough for all the animals and 8 humans. It was God who gathered/lead two animals of each species into the Ark, which He wanted to preserve AFTER the FLOOD came to an end. It was God who gave the instruction how the Ark was to be built, so He knew about the rooms, space, and which kind of food to be stored in the Ark. God knew the food would run out in the Ark. So, at certain time God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death.Is that Biblical? So, they ate rotten food...or did God preserve food near the ark?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 14:16:53 GMT -5
there is no indication that they ate rotten food God would have had to preserve food on the ark for them...
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Post by rational on May 13, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
Is that Biblical? So, they ate rotten food...or did God preserve food near the ark? Why would Noah feed them rotten food? God gathered them in the Ark, wouldn't you think He and Noah could keep them alive and Well until After the flood. Of course, the easy solution is that god is magic and shrunk all of the animals to 1/ 100th of their normal size, compressed the food/water into pellets with the density of a neutron star, had all animals defecate disappearing feces, and installed secret showers for the humans so they would not smell. Huge god of the gaps! Since you asked what I might think - I would think that if this was the best solution that an omniscient, omnipotent being could come up with to kill off the creatures s/he had created and decided to destroy, s/he does not deserve the title of god. What was the point of killing herds of animals? Had they sinned?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:46:12 GMT -5
Why would Noah feed them rotten food? God gathered them in the Ark, wouldn't you think He and Noah could keep them alive and Well until After the flood. Of course, the easy solution is that god is magic and shrunk all of the animals to 1/ 100th of their normal size, compressed the food/water into pellets with the density of a neutron star, had all animals defecate disappearing feces, and installed secret showers for the humans so they would not smell. Huge god of the gaps! Since you asked what I might think - I would think that if this was the best solution that an omniscient, omnipotent being could come up with to kill off the creatures s/he had created and decided to destroy, s/he does not deserve the title of god. What was the point of killing herds of animals? Had they sinned? somethings were just not gonna know till Christ returns...as to feces they probably spent a majority of their time feeding the animals and chucking feces over the side
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Post by xna on May 13, 2014 15:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by snow on May 13, 2014 23:12:17 GMT -5
. So true. But they keep drinking the koolaid that makes them say, we can't know God's ways if what God does is hideous and if it's good, God is Great!
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Post by Greg on May 14, 2014 5:57:28 GMT -5
I am sorry about a mistake. I read "So, at certain time God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death." as "So, at certain times God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death."
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Post by Gene on May 14, 2014 18:07:35 GMT -5
I am sorry about a mistake. I read "So, at certain time God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death." as "So, at certain times God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death." I fail to see a substantive difference.
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Post by Greg on May 14, 2014 19:35:11 GMT -5
I am sorry about a mistake. I read "So, at certain time God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death." as "So, at certain times God made the water to recede so the animals, and people in Ark would NOT starve to death." I fail to see a substantive difference. There probably is not a substantive difference. I just envisioned the ark being empty of stored food and then time and again food was gathered in between an ebb and flow flood waters. Either way, I suppose, there would have been no initial fresh vegetation and there would have been long dead animals laying around. I wonder now how some of the animals made the trek down the mountain.
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Post by rational on May 14, 2014 20:13:00 GMT -5
I wonder now how some of the animals made the trek down the mountain. I think I saw a YouTube video of a pair of three toed sloths that are still working their way down.
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Post by Gene on May 15, 2014 5:12:06 GMT -5
I fail to see a substantive difference. There probably is not a substantive difference. I just envisioned the ark being empty of stored food and then time and again food was gathered in between an ebb and flow flood waters. Either way, I suppose, there would have been no initial fresh vegetation and there would have been long dead animals laying around. I wonder now how some of the animals made the trek down the mountain. Ah, got it.
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Post by xna on Jun 10, 2014 20:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 22:06:40 GMT -5
i don't know that looks a bit irreverent to me...
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Post by xna on Jul 4, 2014 10:32:24 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2014 11:21:08 GMT -5
Here we go again!
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Post by faune on Aug 10, 2014 0:31:56 GMT -5
Well, I finally got to see "God is Not Dead" via Redbox and found it to be a really good movie worth watching. I was impressed with the way the discussion was held in the film over God's existence and also with the music of the Newsboys. They came to our church once in the past and the tickets were sold out quickly. I really like their music and that was another enjoyable part of this movie. If you have never seen it, I would highly recommend it for its content.
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Post by xna on Mar 14, 2015 16:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Jul 30, 2015 15:11:19 GMT -5
Spotlight
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Post by xna on Sept 3, 2015 18:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2015 2:40:48 GMT -5
I saw it. Good object lessons, whether you're the praying kind or not.
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Post by Grant on Sept 10, 2015 4:27:47 GMT -5
I guess the workers go out 2x2 because the animals went into the ark 2x2 but then they were male and female and the workers don't believe in male and females going into the work as a couple. 2x2 =4.
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 10, 2015 9:11:27 GMT -5
I wonder how many of you are aware of the different Christian focused movies that are hitting the theatres this weekend? Here are a few trailers that might interest some of you on this Board? I plan on seeing Noah today and perhaps "The Son of God" this weekend or next. I haven't been to the movies in a long time, so perhaps today is a good day for change, since I actually see something listed that looks worth seeing to me?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSaJE2rqxU (Noah)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1h50nJHpsU (The Son of God)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMjo5f9eiX8 (God is Not Dead)
Faune, my advise on this production of Noah is way of base and adds a lot of imagination with suggestions of things that are in no way reflective of the actual story. If a person wants pure entertainment then maybe they would watch it but is has little to no inspirational value.
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 10, 2015 9:15:26 GMT -5
" No doubt Noah and his family were really ripe with BO, too, without getting a real bath for such a long time? " This was a case of "water, water everywhere, but not one drop to drink!"? It is very likely that they may have made some wine for this voyage as water in storage would soon go bad. Noah did make wine after the flood so it does suggest he knew how to do that. But on the other hand if God could bring on the miracle of a flood they he could likely have provided water. ?? Just a thought.
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Post by xna on Sept 10, 2015 14:41:40 GMT -5
There's a new Disney movie coming soon called "Two by Two" Here's the trailer. You'll enjoy the announcement in it "I believe I have found the truth...." Enjoy! www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8CtuvU2VcPeople searching for the movie using "two by two" may bring some additional attention to the 2x2 church. Would that be a good thing, or not?
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