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Post by freespirit on Feb 12, 2010 18:14:35 GMT -5
Okay, but my massage therapist goes through a meticulous ritual to avoid any hint of impropriety. I doubt this would have been the case 20 years ago. And he's male (and so am I if that wasn't clear). So ... what stuff on this thread are you referring to? And... if one day he didn't go through the meticulous anti-impropriety ritual... what would happen? Would he body slam you against the table and rape you? Is it the ritual that keeps you safe? freespirit
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Post by Rob Sargison on Feb 12, 2010 18:21:31 GMT -5
I think I blame Kinsey and the sexual revolution. We have all become so aware of our 'sexuality' that we interact as walking penises and vaginas, afraid to touch in case our bits and pieces become involved, creating boundaries that we never used to bother about, while we watch on in confused amazement as our 12 year olds, or younger, go to school and learn how to put on condoms. As much as Kinsey so on were completely nuts (so I'm told, according to the latest psychology), I think on this topic we're better off today than when the subject was a huge taboo and all matter of sexual impropriety was swept under the rug. An interesting study might be whether sexual impropriety occurred more often or less back then. Everything is given a name and a reason for and a cure for nowadays. I agree with snow's pendulum concept, things have swung to an extreme, culture is saturated with sexuality. I agree with your observation also, the majority of people are able to occupy the middle ground, nullifying the affects of extremes, thank God.
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Post by snow on Feb 12, 2010 19:08:06 GMT -5
Well in a sense I do agree with that. We have come through a long period of time where sex was taboo to speak about. That was extreme imo. We now have gone the other direction where it is involved in almost everything you see. That is also extreme. I think we will see things come to the middle at some point. That seems to be how things go, like a pendaleum, to far one way then too far the other and then slowly coming to the middle. You mean as far as popular culture is concerned I think? Personally I think that's more a reflection of how open our society is. The mores you see in movies and TV reflect that of a segment of society, but not all society. At least not here in multi-cultural Canada. Another example is that many people think the Dutch (my background) are very liberal with legalized prostitution and drug use. But that's not really the case. They let people do that, but a great majority do not approve of those things. Well ... at least my relatives over there do not (they are non-professing people, BTW). I agree that the movies etc. are probably an extreme. Ordinary society are for the most part pretty varied. However, our younger generation is an interesting mix of being very open sexually or being quite prudish even. I am quite surprised when I talk to teenagers or young adults that are less open about sexual things than we were in my youth. So I think stereotyping society will always fail. We are what we are. Some approve some don't. In that way, I don't think things have changed much at all.
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Post by freespirit on Feb 12, 2010 19:36:00 GMT -5
So I think stereotyping society will always fail. We are what we are. Some approve some don't. In that way, I don't think things have changed much at all. This reminded me of these verses in Ecclesiastes: What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. freespirit
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Post by jason on Feb 12, 2010 20:09:12 GMT -5
As much as Kinsey so on were completely nuts (so I'm told, according to the latest psychology), I think on this topic we're better off today than when the subject was a huge taboo and all matter of sexual impropriety was swept under the rug. Well in a sense I do agree with that. We have come through a long period of time where sex was taboo to speak about. That was extreme imo. We now have gone the other direction where it is involved in almost everything you see. That is also extreme. I think we will see things come to the middle at some point. That seems to be how things go, like a pendaleum, to far one way then too far the other and then slowly coming to the middle. I have heard the pendulum theory of social change before, but I have never observed it actually happening. I tend to have a much more pessimistic view of social movement. Liberated from divinely inspired values, ethics and beliefs, human beings seem to live increasingly hedonistic and materialistic existences (the only alternative to the worship of a transcendant God). The sexual saturation of our time is part of this. Sex is everywhere because sex sells. There is a great deal of money to be made from the inbuilt addiction with which we are all born.
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Post by emy on Feb 12, 2010 22:24:37 GMT -5
As much as Kinsey so on were completely nuts (so I'm told, according to the latest psychology), I think on this topic we're better off today than when the subject was a huge taboo and all matter of sexual impropriety was swept under the rug. Well in a sense I do agree with that. We have come through a long period of time where sex was taboo to speak about. That was extreme imo. We now have gone the other direction where it is involved in almost everything you see. That is also extreme. I think we will see things come to the middle at some point. That seems to be how things go, like a pendaleum, to far one way then too far the other and then slowly coming to the middle. The trouble with a pendulum is that it never stops. So the "lucky" people are the ones who live in the years/decades in the middle!
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Post by snow on Feb 12, 2010 22:52:59 GMT -5
So I think stereotyping society will always fail. We are what we are. Some approve some don't. In that way, I don't think things have changed much at all. This reminded me of these verses in Ecclesiastes: What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. freespirit When it comes to human emotions I believe it is always pretty much the same, no matter what generation we come from. Only the circumstances change.
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Post by snow on Feb 12, 2010 23:01:52 GMT -5
Well in a sense I do agree with that. We have come through a long period of time where sex was taboo to speak about. That was extreme imo. We now have gone the other direction where it is involved in almost everything you see. That is also extreme. I think we will see things come to the middle at some point. That seems to be how things go, like a pendaleum, to far one way then too far the other and then slowly coming to the middle. I have heard the pendulum theory of social change before, but I have never observed it actually happening. I tend to have a much more pessimistic view of social movement. Liberated from divinely inspired values, ethics and beliefs, human beings seem to live increasingly hedonistic and materialistic existences (the only alternative to the worship of a transcendant God). The sexual saturation of our time is part of this. Sex is everywhere because sex sells. There is a great deal of money to be made from the inbuilt addiction with which we are all born. There have been complaints of hedonistic behavior from just about every era. We have seen times when people even covered their table and chair legs. We do see extremes in history and those times when the transition is happening is when we see things moderate for a time. The penduleum never quits it seems. I do agree that right now we are seeing a time where sex is upfront and in your face. But I remember the 60's which were seen as a "free love" time where there was experimentation with all sorts of things. Drugs, sex, birth control came out and that made things more possible and greater freedom for women. While we still see a leaning towards the "sex sell" side, we are also starting to see young people rejecting that and becoming more like my parents were. I find that interesting because when I was growing up, I was a teenager in the 60's and saw society go from rather conservative to all out liberal. Now I'm seeing it go back the other way. I do see what you are saying too Jason, we do seem to be on a trend towards more and more materialism. However, that can change too. We just aren't seeing it yet.
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Post by snow on Feb 12, 2010 23:04:31 GMT -5
Well in a sense I do agree with that. We have come through a long period of time where sex was taboo to speak about. That was extreme imo. We now have gone the other direction where it is involved in almost everything you see. That is also extreme. I think we will see things come to the middle at some point. That seems to be how things go, like a pendaleum, to far one way then too far the other and then slowly coming to the middle. The trouble with a pendulum is that it never stops. So the "lucky" people are the ones who live in the years/decades in the middle! I suppose that would be true. But it is all a matter of perspective too. There are people who thrive on the extremes too. There will always be people who live life on the extreme edges of propriety. I think anyone can live how they want though. They just don't like what others are doing at the same time.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 12, 2010 23:49:20 GMT -5
Every decade in my life has shown how well sex sells. It just simply changes form. One decade was all about Madonna and wearing underwear on the outside of clothing. One was free love, as has already been mentioned. One concentrated on hidden pleasures like magazines, movies, books, etc. One decade was about sex toys. About ten years ago, life-like dolls hit the scene with gusto, costing about four grand a piece. Cyber sex came full force with increased internet server speeds.
I don't think the pendulum of sex has ever hit a lull moment. Sex, politics, and religion are supposedly the taboo subjects. All three sell greatly along with violent death. Someone once said a newspaper based on good news would never stay in circulation. People need news of aggravation to prove the goodness of their own lives.
By the way, I will be standing on the corner of Main and Central in about half an hour. One hundred dollars opens a conversation. Look for the pink pumps.
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Post by degem on Feb 12, 2010 23:59:15 GMT -5
get rid of the pink pumps-try red pumps instead
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Post by freespirit on Feb 13, 2010 0:06:22 GMT -5
Someone once said a newspaper based on good news would never stay in circulation. Ever tried this site: www.goodnewsnetwork.org/It was founded by a woman who wanted to prove that good news would sell. freespirit PS Nice shoes.
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Post by jason on Feb 13, 2010 0:08:47 GMT -5
There have been complaints of hedonistic behavior from just about every era. I recognise that sinfulness has been with us always, and every generation regards their progeny with a cynical eye. That famous Shakespearean quote comes to mind: I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty, or that youth would sleep out the rest; for there is nothing in the between but getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting.Nevertheless, we see in our time extreme movements away from traditional morality which, because it is traditional, is sometimes regarded as ipso facto outmoded and worthy of rejection without further consideration. Never in the history of the Western world has there been so many children born outside of marriage, for instance, and never has marriage stood quite as it does now, like an ill-used woman, garments tattered and bloodied by brutish hands. I predict that marriage and sexual morality will continue to dissipate (although never entirely). I think people will continue to grow more committed to environmental causes and that we shall see a movement toward a mysical reverence for the created world. Paganism is the de facto religion of man; as Paul the Apostle taught us in the Scriptures, unhinged from the worship of something truly glorious, man disgraces himself in undignified subordination to the elements of the world - " exchanging the truth for a lie". The abandonment of all sexual morality besides the ubiquitous principles of "consent", unofficial promises of fidelity, and "legal age" will be the future. Promiscuity and sexuality will become the permanent current event - the daily topic of relevance, and our society will eventually grow toward being sexually supercharged. The attendant evils will be manifest to the enlightened eyes of all of God's people. The poor Victorians do get quite a rap in urban mythology! The term "Victorian" is almost a byword for repression, and it is so accepted as true, that few take the time to do a little reflection and research to see whether these popular claims are accurate, let alone fair. Victorian times gave us innumerable benefits which are sadly ignored by modern generations. The covering of piano and table legs with a cloth is largely (though not entirely) mythology. Even a cursory examination of photographs from the period demonstrate this in spades. Moreover, social historians recognise Victorian times to be a period of unprecedented sexuality. Bondage and domination, for instance, was well known to exist and certain madams had quite a reputation. Pornographic novels circulated clandestinely, and there was a terrific demand for prostitution. We must never make the mistake, as Oxford University historian J. Wright tells us, of drawing lines across the historical record as though we can neatly categorise periods of time, or characterise those periods in the same manner as one could classify insects. I suppose I am still a "young person", and I see no evidence of my contemporaries embracing a New Morality. I am sure there are some - I have read some interesting articles in Touchstone and ChristianityToday on the issue (although such articles strike me as being rather optimistic, almost desperately so). But I think it is more normal to associate youth, as Shakespeare did, with fornication, wholesale consumption of alcohol, and general stupidity. I believe Paul: " In the last days, perilous times will come. Men will be lovers of their own selves, boastful, proud... lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God...." and, " men will wax worse and worse... and then the end will come". I have no faith or optimism in the future, and I am sadly confident of living to witness an increasingly debauched and hedonistic age. I believe I shall live long enough to see the end of democracy, the breakdown of law and order, and the total disintegration of cohesive social values.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 13, 2010 0:18:27 GMT -5
Ask one person of each generation from the last two thousand years (just for a start) if they lost optimism for the future. Nothing today is worse or different than it ever has been. The difference is that you are seeing it through your own eyes instead of through someone else's writings. The 'last days' have been seen many, many times. I am sure the Jews (and the others) thought the end had come in the 40's. "Schindler's List" was a good graphic. www.schindlerslist.com/
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Post by snow on Feb 13, 2010 0:25:41 GMT -5
There have been complaints of hedonistic behavior from just about every era. I recognise that sinfulness has been with us always, and every generation regards their progeny with a cynical eye. That famous Shakespearean quote comes to mind: I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty, or that youth would sleep out the rest; for there is nothing in the between but getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting.Nevertheless, we see in our time extreme movements away from traditional morality which, because it is traditional, is sometimes regarded as ipso facto outmoded and worthy of rejection without further consideration. Never in the history of the Western world has there been so many children born outside of marriage, for instance, and never has marriage stood quite as it does now, like an ill-used woman, garments tattered and bloodied by brutish hands. I predict that marriage and sexual morality will continue to dissipate (although never entirely). I think people will continue to grow more committed to environmental causes and that we shall see a movement toward a mysical reverence for the created world. Paganism is the de facto religion of man; as Paul the Apostle taught us in the Scriptures, unhinged from the worship of something truly glorious, man disgraces himself in undignified subordination to the elements of the world - " exchanging the truth for a lie". The abandonment of all sexual morality besides the ubiquitous principles of "consent", unofficial promises of fidelity, and "legal age" will be the future. Promiscuity and sexuality will become the permanent current event - the daily topic of relevance, and our society will eventually grow toward being sexually supercharged. The attendant evils will be manifest to the enlightened eyes of all of God's people. The poor Victorians do get quite a rap in urban mythology! The term "Victorian" is almost a byword for repression, and it is so accepted as true, that few take the time to do a little reflection and research to see whether these popular claims are accurate, let alone fair. Victorian times gave us innumerable benefits which are sadly ignored by modern generations. The covering of piano and table legs with a cloth is largely (though not entirely) mythology. Even a cursory examination of photographs from the period demonstrate this in spades. Moreover, social historians recognise Victorian times to be a period of unprecedented sexuality. Bondage and domination, for instance, was well known to exist and certain madams had quite a reputation. Pornographic novels circulated clandestinely, and there was a terrific demand for prostitution. We must never make the mistake, as Oxford University historian J. Wright tells us, of drawing lines across the historical record as though we can neatly categorise periods of time, or characterise those periods in the same manner as one could classify insects. I suppose I am still a "young person", and I see no evidence of my contemporaries embracing a New Morality. I am sure there are some - I have read some interesting articles in Touchstone and ChristianityToday on the issue (although such articles strike me as being rather optimistic, almost desperately so). But I think it is more normal to associate youth, as Shakespeare did, with fornication, wholesale consumption of alcohol, and general stupidity. I believe Paul: " In the last days, perilous times will come. Men will be lovers of their own selves, boastful, proud... lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God...." and, " men will wax worse and worse... and then the end will come". I have no faith or optimism in the future, and I am sadly confident of living to witness an increasingly debauched and hedonistic age. I believe I shall live long enough to see the end of democracy, the breakdown of law and order, and the total disintegration of cohesive social values. Oh my Jason, you do see the world in a gloomy way. I hope you are wrong in your predictions though. I personally think the world will do just fine and don't see it as all doom and gloom.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 13, 2010 11:57:29 GMT -5
Okay, but my massage therapist goes through a meticulous ritual to avoid any hint of impropriety. I doubt this would have been the case 20 years ago. And he's male (and so am I if that wasn't clear). So ... what stuff on this thread are you referring to? And... if one day he didn't go through the meticulous anti-impropriety ritual... what would happen? Would he body slam you against the table and rape you? Is it the ritual that keeps you safe? freespirit Hey, that's a thought-provoking question, fs? I think rituals like that do establish a comfort zone. If you think of doctor-nurse/ patient interactions they are ritualized in a way that de-sexualizes the entire experience. And yet, improper behaviour does occur from time to time. Do the rituals prevent this kind of behaviour? I believe they do to quite an extent because these rituals are designed to provide an early warning when behaviour is out of line. For example, most church-youth guidelines stipulate that youth counsellors-pastors should never be one on one with an adolescent or child in an isolated setting. So ... a worker alone should not be in the bedroom of a child. That guideline or "ritual" sets up a safety buffer for the child. As soon as you break the guideline the child already knows something is wrong.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 13, 2010 12:01:13 GMT -5
Someone once said a newspaper based on good news would never stay in circulation. Ever tried this site: www.goodnewsnetwork.org/It was founded by a woman who wanted to prove that good news would sell. freespirit PS Nice shoes. Can't be bothered.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 13, 2010 12:11:42 GMT -5
There have been complaints of hedonistic behavior from just about every era. I recognise that sinfulness has been with us always, and every generation regards their progeny with a cynical eye. That famous Shakespearean quote comes to mind: I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty, or that youth would sleep out the rest; for there is nothing in the between but getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting.Nevertheless, we see in our time extreme movements away from traditional morality which, because it is traditional, is sometimes regarded as ipso facto outmoded and worthy of rejection without further consideration. Never in the history of the Western world has there been so many children born outside of marriage, for instance, and never has marriage stood quite as it does now, like an ill-used woman, garments tattered and bloodied by brutish hands. I predict that marriage and sexual morality will continue to dissipate (although never entirely). I think people will continue to grow more committed to environmental causes and that we shall see a movement toward a mysical reverence for the created world. Paganism is the de facto religion of man; as Paul the Apostle taught us in the Scriptures, unhinged from the worship of something truly glorious, man disgraces himself in undignified subordination to the elements of the world - " exchanging the truth for a lie". The abandonment of all sexual morality besides the ubiquitous principles of "consent", unofficial promises of fidelity, and "legal age" will be the future. Promiscuity and sexuality will become the permanent current event - the daily topic of relevance, and our society will eventually grow toward being sexually supercharged. The attendant evils will be manifest to the enlightened eyes of all of God's people. The poor Victorians do get quite a rap in urban mythology! The term "Victorian" is almost a byword for repression, and it is so accepted as true, that few take the time to do a little reflection and research to see whether these popular claims are accurate, let alone fair. Victorian times gave us innumerable benefits which are sadly ignored by modern generations. The covering of piano and table legs with a cloth is largely (though not entirely) mythology. Even a cursory examination of photographs from the period demonstrate this in spades. Moreover, social historians recognise Victorian times to be a period of unprecedented sexuality. Bondage and domination, for instance, was well known to exist and certain madams had quite a reputation. Pornographic novels circulated clandestinely, and there was a terrific demand for prostitution. We must never make the mistake, as Oxford University historian J. Wright tells us, of drawing lines across the historical record as though we can neatly categorise periods of time, or characterise those periods in the same manner as one could classify insects. I suppose I am still a "young person", and I see no evidence of my contemporaries embracing a New Morality. I am sure there are some - I have read some interesting articles in Touchstone and ChristianityToday on the issue (although such articles strike me as being rather optimistic, almost desperately so). But I think it is more normal to associate youth, as Shakespeare did, with fornication, wholesale consumption of alcohol, and general stupidity. I believe Paul: " In the last days, perilous times will come. Men will be lovers of their own selves, boastful, proud... lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God...." and, " men will wax worse and worse... and then the end will come". I have no faith or optimism in the future, and I am sadly confident of living to witness an increasingly debauched and hedonistic age. I believe I shall live long enough to see the end of democracy, the breakdown of law and order, and the total disintegration of cohesive social values. Google the images of "Aubrey Beardsley" a contemporary and friend of Oscar Wilde to see a vivid illustration of your point about the Victorian era. But the characteristics of Victorian times that you describe might be the exception that proves the rule. But we tend to assume that times were more conservative the further back you go, and that is definitely incorrect. Victorian sensibilities were a reaction to the Romantic era which was plagued with immoral behaviour and ills such as venereal disease. Why do you think all those Romantic composers and poets died so young? One of our English profs recounted to us how the Salvation Army was formed to actively resist and prevent some of the immoral doings in England. Among these a penchant for aristocrats to pay huge sums to debauch unwitting young virgin girls kidnapped for this purpose, a practice which the SA stopped. Onward, Christian Soldiers. Don't know how true the story is, but that's how it was told. Anyway, those were the kinds of scandals that precipitated the Victorian era. So the pendulum theory seems to fit.
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Post by guitaway on Feb 13, 2010 12:57:49 GMT -5
Well, the end of the world is coming soon. and, it should become apparent right away that you will not be needing any of your worldly things anymore. They are just going to get destroyed and all kinds of bad explosions and evil things and awful vials of nasty poisons and plagues are coming soon. Also, maybe rocks are going to rain down and just all kinds of rotten crap is going to happen. Maybe this afternoon if my predictions are correct. What I have done here is to add together the number of pets that my neighbors have and divided that by the number of meals that I am going to eat today and then subtracted the amount of hands that I have. Anyway, I can't reveal all of the calculations to you because they were revealed unto me alone and I am not supposed to tell them to anybody. Also, I have been looking at signs of the end times and thinking a lot about all the evils and how many churches there are compared to how many bars and taverns there are. Also, people are beginning to act more and more just like they always have throughout the centuries. So, together with my careful calculations and my insights into how time works and other stuff, I have concluded that it won't be long now. It is time for everyone to just sell their things and flee into the mountains and hide and also say prayers and give me all their money (which they will not need anymore). I was going to come up with an exact time and all, but the Bible says we aren't supposed to know exactly when, so I am just going to go with the old idea of saying it is going to be soon. Anyway, here is some funny stuff about all the predictions that have been made for the end of the world. alma-geddon.com/There are some lists there of all the predictions, who made them and some of their ideas about how come the worlds was going to end at some certain year or just at any old time etc..
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Post by sharonw on Feb 13, 2010 13:37:16 GMT -5
Ask one person of each generation from the last two thousand years (just for a start) if they lost optimism for the future. Nothing today is worse or different than it ever has been. The difference is that you are seeing it through your own eyes instead of through someone else's writings. The 'last days' have been seen many, many times. I am sure the Jews (and the others) thought the end had come in the 40's. "Schindler's List" was a good graphic. www.schindlerslist.com/Reasonably as we all get older, the more aware we are of the "last times". That just comes with aging, IMO
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Post by sharonw on Feb 13, 2010 13:41:40 GMT -5
"Hey, that's a thought-provoking question, fs? I think rituals like that do establish a comfort zone. If you think of doctor-nurse/ patient interactions they are ritualized in a way that de-sexualizes the entire experience. And yet, improper behaviour does occur from time to time. Do the rituals prevent this kind of behaviour? I believe they do to quite an extent because these rituals are designed to provide an early warning when behaviour is out of line."
I think also one has to develop that sense of 'WHO" one dare to touch in the healing manner. Some people are going to interpret "touching" as improper regardless. It happens frequently in the medical field simply because some dr. or nurse tried to impart a compassionate, healing touch and a particular patient or family member receives or sees the "Routine" touch of a medical professional and interprets as being "excessive or improper".
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Post by emy on Feb 13, 2010 14:59:40 GMT -5
Well, the end of the world is coming soon. and, it should become apparent right away that you will not be needing any of your worldly things anymore. They are just going to get destroyed and all kinds of bad explosions and evil things and awful vials of nasty poisons and plagues are coming soon. Also, maybe rocks are going to rain down and just all kinds of rotten crap is going to happen. Maybe this afternoon if my predictions are correct. What I have done here is to add together the number of pets that my neighbors have and divided that by the number of meals that I am going to eat today and then subtracted the amount of hands that I have. Anyway, I can't reveal all of the calculations to you because they were revealed unto me alone and I am not supposed to tell them to anybody. Also, I have been looking at signs of the end times and thinking a lot about all the evils and how many churches there are compared to how many bars and taverns there are. Also, people are beginning to act more and more just like they always have throughout the centuries. So, together with my careful calculations and my insights into how time works and other stuff, I have concluded that it won't be long now. It is time for everyone to just sell their things and flee into the mountains and hide and also say prayers and give me all their money (which they will not need anymore). I was going to come up with an exact time and all, but the Bible says we aren't supposed to know exactly when, so I am just going to go with the old idea of saying it is going to be soon. Anyway, here is some funny stuff about all the predictions that have been made for the end of the world. alma-geddon.com/There are some lists there of all the predictions, who made them and some of their ideas about how come the worlds was going to end at some certain year or just at any old time etc.. JMS, do not EVER leave the TMB!
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Post by snow on Feb 13, 2010 18:52:19 GMT -5
Well, the end of the world is coming soon. and, it should become apparent right away that you will not be needing any of your worldly things anymore. They are just going to get destroyed and all kinds of bad explosions and evil things and awful vials of nasty poisons and plagues are coming soon. Also, maybe rocks are going to rain down and just all kinds of rotten crap is going to happen. Maybe this afternoon if my predictions are correct. What I have done here is to add together the number of pets that my neighbors have and divided that by the number of meals that I am going to eat today and then subtracted the amount of hands that I have. Anyway, I can't reveal all of the calculations to you because they were revealed unto me alone and I am not supposed to tell them to anybody. Also, I have been looking at signs of the end times and thinking a lot about all the evils and how many churches there are compared to how many bars and taverns there are. Also, people are beginning to act more and more just like they always have throughout the centuries. So, together with my careful calculations and my insights into how time works and other stuff, I have concluded that it won't be long now. It is time for everyone to just sell their things and flee into the mountains and hide and also say prayers and give me all their money (which they will not need anymore). I was going to come up with an exact time and all, but the Bible says we aren't supposed to know exactly when, so I am just going to go with the old idea of saying it is going to be soon. Anyway, here is some funny stuff about all the predictions that have been made for the end of the world. alma-geddon.com/There are some lists there of all the predictions, who made them and some of their ideas about how come the worlds was going to end at some certain year or just at any old time etc.. JMS, do not EVER leave the TMB! I second that, JMS you are never allowed to leave!!
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Post by sharonw on Feb 13, 2010 19:30:57 GMT -5
JMS, do not EVER leave the TMB! I second that, JMS you are never allowed to leave!! I second the seconder!
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Post by freespirit on Feb 13, 2010 22:00:50 GMT -5
This one made me ;D: Also, people are beginning to act more and more just like they always have throughout the centuries.
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Post by freespirit on Feb 13, 2010 22:35:19 GMT -5
And... if one day he didn't go through the meticulous anti-impropriety ritual... what would happen? Would he body slam you against the table and rape you? Is it the ritual that keeps you safe? freespirit Hey, that's a thought-provoking question, fs? I think rituals like that do establish a comfort zone. Yes. And that makes you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel safer. So if your massage therapist decided one day to run his hand up your leg and touch you sexually, you'd be all relaxed and completely unsuspecting. If you think of doctor-nurse/ patient interactions they are ritualized in a way that de-sexualizes the entire experience. And yet, improper behaviour does occur from time to time. Do the rituals prevent this kind of behaviour? I believe they do to quite an extent because these rituals are designed to provide an early warning when behaviour is out of line. Yes, I agree that set patterns and such have there place. But consider... One of my favorite massage therapists is about a foot taller than I am, has stocky shoulders, well developed arms and has hand-to-hand combat training. Do you honestly believe that having a sheet over me is what keeps me safe? The non-pc truth is that he's larger and stronger than me and we are alone in a place where no one would hear anything. From what I can tell, many men do not think about safety the same way that women do. It is a daily nearly automatic response for women to be alert. For example, most church-youth guidelines stipulate that youth counsellors-pastors should never be one on one with an adolescent or child in an isolated setting. . That is often a guideline to protect the *adult.* So ... a worker alone should not be in the bedroom of a child. That guideline or "ritual" sets up a safety buffer for the child. As soon as you break the guideline the child already knows something is wrong. I think it is woefully naive to believe that bedrooms = sexual activity and that keeping people out of them creates safety. freespirit
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Post by snow on Feb 14, 2010 0:05:06 GMT -5
So ... a worker alone should not be in the bedroom of a child. That guideline or "ritual" sets up a safety buffer for the child. As soon as you break the guideline the child already knows something is wrong. I think it is woefully naive to believe that bedrooms = sexual activity and that keeping people out of them creates safety. freespirit[/quote] Totally true. No child can ever be totally safe. Any adult that stalks children know the rules and so they go out of their way to find other ways to break them that can be unsuspecting to the child.
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Post by rational on Feb 14, 2010 0:30:56 GMT -5
No, if he was being as responsible as he should have been he would have gone to the police and filed a report. In some states not reporting this is a crime. I find it interesting that people jump all over the workers when they do not report suspicion of child abuse but excuse other people who know of the abuse and do not go to the authorities. Shyness is a defense? read the statement again..." A near miss" The Father's child separated herself before the act could be considered "reportable" and why if you have a "near miss" would one want to subject the child to such investigations when there is nothing to investigate though the perp had been known in the distant past ot have committed such lewd behaviour? It would come down to harassing the child and simply ended up a false allegation, don't you think? Either the parent thought the child was in danger or the parent did not. If, as a parent, you believe there is a person, in this case a person who, according to you, was known to have committed lewd behavior in the past. who posed a threat to children I do think they should have reported it. If they believed the threat was credible enough to gossip about it it is credible enough to report. If not, they are just spreading unfounded rumors. Do you really believe if a parent walks in on an adult about to initiate sexual behavior with a child but stops the person they should just let the person walk away? Of course if the 'near miss' was the adult smiling at the child and saying "Hello" then that is a different story. But if there was no danger then why try to tell other people? You are excusing the same behavior I see others in this thread complaining about concerning the workers. I am not defending the workers who do not report CSA to the authorities nor the father who allows someone who had a 'near miss' with his daughter, and knows about the person's deviant behavior, to not report it to the authorities.
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