shiloh
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2010 11:54:54 GMT -5
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2010 11:57:52 GMT -5
once Briggs learned the child had told his parents of what went on, Briggs fled to New York with the assistance of others in the ministry *** Barry Barkley should have to testify about what HE KNEW concerning the worker being moved from MI to NY.
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 12:50:17 GMT -5
This worker was not set up and should have been sent up long before he was sentenced. Why did it take from 2006 until 2010 to be sentenced? And why was the representative of the ministry allowed to take him home and not be charged with hiding a crime? How about his companion not being held responsible for hiding a crime? What about the parents not reporting this to the police when they learned of the incidents? It happened in 2006, he was sent home in early 2007, so lots of people swept this under the rug hoping to keep it out of the hands of the law. Now a young man can be embarrassed and live with this incident for the rest of his life. What a disgrace and wonder how many people would be interested in being part of this type of a religion? When will a major housecleaning be accomplished.
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Post by buzzybee on Feb 9, 2010 13:29:35 GMT -5
Pedophiles cannot control these urges, neither can they be rehabilitated. More than likely there are more victims. It's so sad Darren gets 18 days n jail and the victem get a life time of having to deal with it.
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Post by buzzybee on Feb 9, 2010 13:31:29 GMT -5
There is a law in which it is illegal for a health care provider to NOT report suspected child abuse. I feel it should apply to the whole population, workers included.
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 13:31:42 GMT -5
Would you comment on the fact that the overseer knows of this conduct, but dismisses it by sending the predator home, Is that an overseer to trust? Maybe the people should have annual meetings concerning the workers and the overseers behavior and judgment and conduct. The people need to start taking action and railroading these inappropriate behaviors and unlawful conduct and let the workers and overseer know of the seriousness of their behavior. Now that the incident in Michigan has been cracked wide open, let's see who comes forward with this is not going to be tolerated.
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Post by Brother Schrock on Feb 9, 2010 13:34:26 GMT -5
Is someone who pleads guilty to a fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct charge required to register as a sex offender?
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 13:39:04 GMT -5
Yes, you are a sexual offender no matter what degree. Hopefully the next Michigan worker to be in court will have his picture posted too. High time in Michigan .
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Post by buzzybee on Feb 9, 2010 13:52:06 GMT -5
I think the workers need to be accountable to someone, even if its just the Elders, but preferably the Church. Michigan seems to be a breeding ground and someone needs to step in and stop it!! This is one of the things that constitude a cult. When someone or a group of someones has full reign with no accountability.
The Pastor in my current Church are accountable to the board of Elders, who are elected every three years by the congregation.
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shiloh
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2010 14:02:57 GMT -5
Anyone have a photo of this guy? I have a guy in mind. Is he a small guy?
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shiloh
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2010 14:12:33 GMT -5
I wonder what conversations took place between Messrs Frandle and Barkley? Letters were likely destroyed. Where were the overseers and what did they know to paraphrase Senator Howard Baker during the Watergate hearings.
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Post by freespirit on Feb 9, 2010 14:25:31 GMT -5
I think the workers need to be accountable to someone Me too. I have been so angry and disgusted with the behavoir of some of the workers that I want to scream. I have more to write, but probably it's best for me to walk away from the keyboard because my computer might set on fire. freespirit
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Post by bandtroll on Feb 9, 2010 14:30:13 GMT -5
The overseers should and MUST screen everyone's backgrounds before they get accepted in the work these days for the safety of the friends' children and others. (Not saying this couldn't be done, but) Do you have an example of where this would have made a difference? What in this person's background, prior to entering the work, would have been a red flag? IMO, the only way things are going to change is the parents taking charge. It's a crime, not a religious issue, go to the police.
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Post by bandtroll on Feb 9, 2010 14:33:40 GMT -5
Anyone have a photo of this guy? I have a guy in mind. Is he a small guy? He's been in the work for nine years (?), there must be a convention workers photo of him somewhere.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 9, 2010 14:37:37 GMT -5
Tell me how this is wrong from the head workers point of view. You have a worker on staff who is charged with a felony. You "fire" him, which I think is all you can do. He goes home. Did the head worker do something wrong in terms of handling the situation with the worker? I'm missing it.
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Post by bandtroll on Feb 9, 2010 14:41:16 GMT -5
Anyone have a photo of this guy? I have a guy in mind. Is he a small guy? This just happened on Monday, as soon as he is processed, you may/should be able to see his photo here. www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2.asp
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Post by sofastarch on Feb 9, 2010 14:42:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that when a person offers for the work, the overseer does some asking around so see what the people in their area think of them and known deviant behavior would be grounds to not start them in the work... In cases like that, the general population will never have heard that they offered and they are told to stick with another occupation. But, I'm guessing that there is no grilling to ask the offerer if he/she has deviant sexual tendencies. There are probably quite a few workers who, at the time they offer, haven't had tons of experience with sexual temptation. Some of these things develop as temptation arises, just like sins with money, anger, stress, etc. just like turning up rocks with cultivation of a garden; they might have been there before, they just hadn't surfaced.
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Post by Happy Feet on Feb 9, 2010 15:20:48 GMT -5
it is not as simple as that Nathan. Most workers do not have any history before entering the work. Most workers are often young. It is often years before someone tells anyway, and by then there are a number of victims. Offenders are good at keeping people quiet.
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Post by bandtroll on Feb 9, 2010 15:24:32 GMT -5
Tell me how this is wrong from the head workers point of view. You have a worker on staff who is charged with a felony. You "fire" him, which I think is all you can do. He goes home. Did the head worker do something wrong in terms of handling the situation with the worker? I'm missing it. www.michigansthumb.com/articles/2010/02/09/news/police_-_courts/doc4b715c17bc564579368752.txThe prosecution was not satisfied, and Schumacher noted that once Briggs learned the child had told his parents of what went on, Briggs 1) fled to New York with the assistance of others in the ministry. Following Monday’s hearing, Rutkowski elaborated on this, saying that at the time 2) the ministry learned of what transpired in Michigan, 3) a representative from the ministry advised him to be taken to his parents in New York and he no longer is part of the ministry.Based just on the above data. There are three times when 'the ministry' should have notified the authorities and (apparently) did not.
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 15:33:20 GMT -5
It seems like it was the overseer that was the guilty culprit in Texas, so much for depending on the overseer. And checking the persons sexual orientation may help if the person was honest about it. And you do not pursue children because of temptation. There will always be sick people that do terrible things but it must be taken very serious and all crimes must be reported to the law. If the law starts prosecuting those who just sweep it under the carpet, that would make a difference.
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 15:35:22 GMT -5
You can find pictures of sex offenders under the registered sex offenders, but DB is booked into the county jail and if you have less than a year, most usually that is where you stay. You are not transferred to the state prison.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2010 16:55:47 GMT -5
2003 Alma MI convention photo: Standing between Shane Brown and Wanda Skilbred. I have heard him speak I am quite sure.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Feb 9, 2010 17:07:47 GMT -5
Tell me how this is wrong from the head workers point of view. You have a worker on staff who is charged with a felony. You "fire" him, which I think is all you can do. He goes home. Did the head worker do something wrong in terms of handling the situation with the worker? I'm missing it. what, you worker-bashing spoiler, why bring any common sense and objectivity into it?
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Post by snow on Feb 9, 2010 17:27:28 GMT -5
If the overseer knew about the sexual abuse of one of his workers, he should have been the first to file charges. Firing him and sending him home is not enough imo. Protection of innocent children should be the first responsibility of an overseer not the protection of the abuser.
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Post by degem on Feb 9, 2010 17:38:00 GMT -5
I find the whole incident concerning Darren thoroughly disgusting. IMO-180 days seems insufficient for what he did to the victim. I wouldn't be surprised if there is more than just one incident. No further comments from me
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Post by What Hat on Feb 9, 2010 17:49:33 GMT -5
If the overseer knew about the sexual abuse of one of his workers, he should have been the first to file charges. Firing him and sending him home is not enough imo. Protection of innocent children should be the first responsibility of an overseer not the protection of the abuser. Agreed. Read my post though. I said, "if he has been charged". Normally, the head worker would/should not be the first to know. Parents should go immediately to the authorities, an investigation is made, and charges are laid. Then the head worker and many others find out.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Feb 9, 2010 17:51:57 GMT -5
In other words the judge didn't buy what the prosecution was trying to sell. A bit contrary to those who buy imaginations and allegations subjectively extrapolated into universal "truth" - then use it bash the ambiguous "the workers" collective.
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Post by jhjmr on Feb 9, 2010 18:53:43 GMT -5
Oh, there was lots of wrestling going on and he had been warned that he should stop it as there was going to be trouble. So, how many others could complain, no one knows. But, when you have that type of problem it does not just appear one day out of the blue. It was just how long before it was reported to the police. And this is not just an innocent case where a worker went bad and everyone was just shocked to learn about it. Who do you suppose drove him from Mi. to NY to be picked up by family? Who do you think was that representative of the ministry? Eventually, the problems in Michigan is going to have to be handled. Wonder who will have the stomach to do it? Both accused and now one convicted ex-workers, from Mi., were at the NY convention this year with Barry Barkley. If only the people knew who was wandering around the grounds! The convicted one had already been charged at that time.
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