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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 4, 2009 18:35:40 GMT -5
Boom! Hey blind man, I said that the forum was old, not the post. Come on, Jesse. Can you please put some substance in your noise? You just put even more substance in what I said, I knew I could count on you!
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Post by todd on Jan 4, 2009 18:40:49 GMT -5
If God's way existed before Jesus was born then how could God's way be following Jesus, and believing in Jesus if he hadn't even been born and no one knew about him? Before Jesus was born, it was still possible for people to do what God wanted them to do. If God asked them to do certain things and they did it, they were following God's way. Once Jesus was born, if God asked them to believe him and obey him, and they did, they were still following God's way. If God asks you tomorrow to go up to a certain mountain and admire the views, and you do that, you are following God's way. That's why it isn't quite explanitory when ilylo says that 'God's way is Jesus'. It doesn't say what we actually need to do with Jesus. People might wonder... does that mean we should worship him like some did, or kill him like some others did? If you make a statement like "God's way is "serving him', then people would know to 'serve him' would be following his way. But if you said that God's way is 'Jesus', people will wonder how you 'Jesus'. Obviously you could follow Jesus, but I tried to see if ilylo meant that God's way is following Jesus, and boy, didn't I get into trouble God's way sure is seen in Jesus.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 4, 2009 18:48:03 GMT -5
Boom! Hey blind man, I said that the forum was old, not the post. Come on, Jesse. Can you please put some substance in your noise? You just put even more substance in what I said, I knew I could count on you! Somebody has to do it, since you seem to be unable.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 4, 2009 18:49:12 GMT -5
If God's way existed before Jesus was born then how could God's way be following Jesus, and believing in Jesus if he hadn't even been born and no one knew about him? Before Jesus was born, it was still possible for people to do what God wanted them to do. If God asked them to do certain things and they did it, they were following God's way. Once Jesus was born, if God asked them to believe him and obey him, and they did, they were still following God's way. If God asks you tomorrow to go up to a certain mountain and admire the views, and you do that, you are following God's way. That's why it isn't quite explanitory when ilylo says that 'God's way is Jesus'. It doesn't say what we actually need to do with Jesus. People might wonder... does that mean we should worship him like some did, or kill him like some others did? If you make a statement like "God's way is "serving him', then people would know to 'serve him' would be following his way. But if you said that God's way is 'Jesus', people will wonder how you 'Jesus'. Obviously you could follow Jesus, but I tried to see if ilylo meant that God's way is following Jesus, and boy, didn't I get into trouble God's way sure is seen in Jesus. Arguing with the Bible again, I see.
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Post by Pink on Jan 4, 2009 18:49:17 GMT -5
.............talk about stuttering.....................
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Post by todd on Jan 4, 2009 18:59:00 GMT -5
Arguing with the Bible again, I see. Not that I know about, but possibly. No doubt if I have, someone will point out where I have It was actually a response to 'believer' but if anything I was arguing with you
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Post by Sharon on Jan 4, 2009 19:04:26 GMT -5
Jesus said to Peter, "Follow thou me!" Then again he said to Peter, "Follow me."
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 4, 2009 19:12:00 GMT -5
Boom! Exhibit number 4,999; Somebody has to do it, since you seem to be unable.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 4, 2009 21:07:05 GMT -5
Jesse,
Please. You are an embarrassment.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 4, 2009 21:14:12 GMT -5
Arguing with the Bible again, I see. Not that I know about, but possibly. No doubt if I have, someone will point out where I have post #637
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Post by degem on Jan 4, 2009 21:14:56 GMT -5
how is Jesse a supposed embarrassment?
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Post by White Knight on Jan 4, 2009 21:17:28 GMT -5
If he means that God's way is in following Jesus then yes, that is very helpful. It is not about belonging to a church. I have been trying to say that, but obviously I am not very good at communicating. No, todd. I said exactly what I mean. And I agree. You are terrible at communicating. Let's try this again: God's way is Jesus. Your church is not God's way. IF God's way is Jesus why do you need a mask on, other than masking your real intent? In my drawing you out I have found you have several issues with in your self. I don't no who hurt you nor why you have such a big chip on your shoulder. But I do know if you believe in God as you say, you would have received healing. I bear witness in the way I walk that this is the right way; I have seen those who have mocked me /ridicule, told me to stand in the middle of the road and let a bus run over me all because of what I believe in. Guess what; I witnessed things happened to them without me even touching them. I have witnessed dismemberments on there own accords to them selves, and afterward they mostly all apologized and became very nice to me. I have seen people die trying to fire/trying to get rid of me, I seen people end up in jail, ect, ect. I've seen extremely hard times but was brought through them safely. I've seen many return back to the fold after 1yr-60yrs and many in between yrs. All have admitted though they ran from truth (and many were just like you are now) the Truth never left them. You my friend were never force into this way and you were not forced out! You like most others were looking for a way out and found it by false accusations. Your own actions speak for them self about your self. In short; if the Lord is really with you then answer my previous question honestly and sincerely. If not be aware how you or anyone else handle the LORD'S elect. Go ahead I know your itching to pull this apart/cut it down, and or distort it. But don't say I didn't warn you.
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Post by kencoolidge on Jan 4, 2009 21:31:46 GMT -5
Nathan Do you believe there is a conspiracy of exes trying to undermine the F&Ws church? I never have believed that. I will say this that confronting inaccuracies on either side of truth sometimes appears to a losing argument that there is a conspiracy. I have maintained that the real truth needs no defence and is the same today as it ever has been. Without spot blemish or need of defence.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 4, 2009 21:52:24 GMT -5
Jesse, Please. You are an embarrassment. Honestly, you're an embarrassment to the EXES movement! ilylo. You're hurting the exes cause. The irony here is deafening.
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Post by degem on Jan 4, 2009 21:55:45 GMT -5
I prefer peace and quiet myself.
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Post by midwesterner on Jan 4, 2009 21:55:57 GMT -5
Good post, Ken. The truth will prevail. When I was working in a certain profession I was instructed never to talk politics or religion, as there is no winning an agrument.
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Post by kencoolidge on Jan 4, 2009 23:02:23 GMT -5
Nathan Since you are convinced there is a conspiracy. What would be in it for them? Or putting it another way what is their purpose is in this conspiracy?Does it make sence?
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Post by Happy Feet on Jan 5, 2009 2:39:48 GMT -5
1) Nathan, since you are convinced there is a conspiracy. What would be in it for them? ~~ They believe within their hearts they are doing God's will... it makes them feel good that they're doing the right thing.
Saul thought he was doing God's will when he persecuted the followers of Jesus. Jesus said, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you... If they persecuted me, they will also persecuted you.... These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should NOT be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues; yea, the time comes, that whosoever killeth you will THINK! that he does God service. (John 15; 16:1-2)2) Or putting it another way what is their purpose is in this conspiracy?Does it make sence? ~~~ Believing they are helping many 2x2s out of this fellowship which they believe is a CULT.Perhaps we can turn this around the other way and apply this to the workers attacks on the Christian church in the world today. Saul ( William Irvine and the workers) thought he/they was/were doing God's will when he/they persecuted the followers of Jesus. Jesus said, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you... If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.... These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should NOT be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues; yea, the time comes, that whosoever killeth you will THINK! that he does God service. (John 15; 16:1-2)[/color This could well be the workers attack on churches.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jan 5, 2009 2:55:42 GMT -5
No, todd. I said exactly what I mean. And I agree. You are terrible at communicating. Let's try this again: God's way is Jesus. Your church is not God's way. IF God's way is Jesus why do you need a mask on, other than masking your real intent? In my drawing you out I have found you have several issues with in your self. I don't no who hurt you nor why you have such a big chip on your shoulder. But I do know if you believe in God as you say, you would have received healing. I bear witness in the way I walk that this is the right way; I have seen those who have mocked me /ridicule, told me to stand in the middle of the road and let a bus run over me all because of what I believe in. Guess what; I witnessed things happened to them without me even touching them. I have witnessed dismemberments on there own accords to them selves, and afterward they mostly all apologized and became very nice to me. I have seen people die trying to fire/trying to get rid of me, I seen people end up in jail, ect, ect. I've seen extremely hard times but was brought through them safely. I've seen many return back to the fold after 1yr-60yrs and many in between yrs. All have admitted though they ran from truth (and many were just like you are now) the Truth never left them. You my friend were never force into this way and you were not forced out! You like most others were looking for a way out and found it by false accusations. Your own actions speak for them self about your self. In short; if the Lord is really with you then answer my previous question honestly and sincerely. If not be aware how you or anyone else handle the LORD'S elect. Go ahead I know your itching to pull this apart/cut it down, and or distort it. But don't say I didn't warn you. Is this a curse? "If not be aware how you or anyone else handle the LORD'S elect. Go ahead I know your itching to pull this apart/cut it down, and or distort it. But don't say I didn't warn you." You know where curses come from!! Well, I have seen in the last 10 years many things befall professing people in meetings. Of the professing people in my family, 2 died in a car crash, one died in an aeroplane crash, 2 died of cancer, one has an incurable illness. Of those in the family who have left meeting nothing has befallen any of them in the last 10 years. Roughly 50% are in and 50% are out. Those who left meetings are of a sound mind with free spirits to worship God compared to those in meeting who suffer from depression trying to be someone God did not design them to be. Do you doubt that God's way is Jesus? What do you mean "this is the right way." do you mean the church you go to that was started by a man called William Irvine who turned out to be a false preacher 110 years ago is the right way? People died trying to get rid or you, people ended up in jail - all because of you. You seem to have some evil powers which I doubt are of God. Curses are from the evil one, not God. Many thousands of people have left the meetings never to return than have ever left and returned if that is an indication of anything. More people have left and found the real Jesus outside of meetings. I have heard preaching since being outside that feeds far more people and changes far more lives than the crumbs the workers preach. People like you make me glad to be free. Guess I haven't got much tolerance for people who are brainwashed into thinking that some thing started up by the likes of William Irvine is the true church nor for people who go around cursing others. It reeks of self righteousness.
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Post by lin on Jan 5, 2009 7:52:26 GMT -5
Believer: You are right,being of any group,does not give us rights to good health prosperity or healthy minds. This is no proof of God being with us. What is proof is if we know God,and that is an individual proof,by what we are to others. There were two commandments given. To love God,and to love others. This is all covered in Ecclesiastes 3
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Post by todd on Jan 5, 2009 8:40:48 GMT -5
Nathan Do you believe there is a conspiracy of exes trying to undermine the F&Ws church? I never have believed that. I will say this that confronting inaccuracies on either side of truth sometimes appears to a losing argument that there is a conspiracy. I have maintained that the real truth needs no defence and is the same today as it ever has been. Without spot blemish or need of defence. ~~~ Yes, there is a conspiracy of some EXES to undermine of the 2x2 church and ministry.I get the same feeling. Not that I am surprised at all, because when people leave something it is because they aren't happy, so it is natural for them to want to put it down. Some hint of being very offended, so it is quite normal, and fully expected, that there will be those against us. This is a forum for discussion about the F&W's as far as I can tell, so it would be quite normal for those that aren't happy about it, to try to undermine it and make it look as bad as they can. They sure aren't going to say good things about it. Nathan Since you are convinced there is a conspiracy. What would be in it for them? Or putting it another way what is their purpose is in this conspiracy?Does it make sence? I'm not sure what is in it for them, but you can bet that this forum being solely for discussion about F&W's, people aren't here to talk about how much they hate winter. There is the possiblility that some who post here genuinely want others to come to know Jesus, but if any of the 'outies' are claiming that, it is hard to believe they would bother to come here to do that. Firstly this is a site about the F&W's so already you have a very small audience, because there are so few F&W's and exes in the world, and not only that, less than 0.5% of that already small number actually come on to this forum. If you really wanted to preach, here is not the place to do it, especially as I have heard often enough here that a majority of the F&W's are actually good Christians. This is a good place to come if you want to try to find fault, and enjoy the company of others who are doing the same thing. If the purpose of this forum is not to undermine the F&W's, maybe someone can let us know what it is. If it is to let everyone know that you don't have to belong to a particular religion to be saved, I'm sure you are not going to get any argument from my friends or the workers I know, because they know this also, to the point that they don't even belong to any religion, and don't take any name except the name of Jesus.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 5, 2009 12:10:39 GMT -5
Nathan Since you are convinced there is a conspiracy. What would be in it for them? Or putting it another way what is their purpose is in this conspiracy?Does it make sence? Anger, hatred, unresolved internal issues!
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Post by jh62 on Jan 5, 2009 12:28:47 GMT -5
I have seen people die trying to fire/trying to get rid of me, I seen people end up in jail, ect, ect. I hope you didn't mean "die" in the literal sense of the word?! Do you believe that God brings about hardship and pain upon those that disagree with you? If this is the case, maybe you should start loving your enemies so God won't inflict pain and hardship upon them? There is a saying, (I can't remember the author): "We have successfully created God in our image when He hates all the same people we hate." Todd said: The forum is a place for us to come and relate to others who have had similar experiences to our own. If we were to simply talk to the neighbor down the street about it, they wouldn't have a clue since most people know nothing about this religion.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 5, 2009 13:02:49 GMT -5
I have seen people die trying to fire/trying to get rid of me, I seen people end up in jail, ect, ect. I hope you didn't mean "die" in the literal sense of the word?! Do you believe that God brings about hardship and pain upon those that disagree with you? If this is the case, maybe you should start loving your enemies so God won't inflict pain and hardship upon them? There is a saying, (I can't remember the author): "We have successfully created God in our image when He hates all the same people we hate." Todd said: The forum is a place for us to come and relate to others who have had similar experiences to our own. If we were to simply talk to the neighbor down the street about it, they wouldn't have a clue since most people know nothing about this religion. Makes me think of what Jesus said for us to pray for our enemies...you know it really works...if we pray with earnestness for our enemies on a regular basis it isn't long until they cease to be an enemy!
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Post by jh62 on Jan 5, 2009 13:07:08 GMT -5
How true siwells!
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Post by todd on Jan 5, 2009 17:58:24 GMT -5
Todd said: The forum is a place for us to come and relate to others who have had similar experiences to our own. If we were to simply talk to the neighbor down the street about it, they wouldn't have a clue since most people know nothing about this religion. Yes, this is what I mean. It is only going to be a very few who are here... those that have some connection with F&W's. You are here to talk about it, and because you are an "ex" obviously you are not here to say good things.
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Post by lin on Jan 5, 2009 18:04:54 GMT -5
I feel some of the things that are said that aren't nice are provoked by making dumb statements. Such as ex, conspiracies etc.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 5, 2009 22:08:10 GMT -5
IF God's way is Jesus why do you need a mask on, other than masking your real intent? In my drawing you out I have found you have several issues with in your self. I don't no who hurt you nor why you have such a big chip on your shoulder. But I do know if you believe in God as you say, you would have received healing. I bear witness in the way I walk that this is the right way; I have seen those who have mocked me /ridicule, told me to stand in the middle of the road and let a bus run over me all because of what I believe in. Guess what; I witnessed things happened to them without me even touching them. I have witnessed dismemberments on there own accords to them selves, and afterward they mostly all apologized and became very nice to me. I have seen people die trying to fire/trying to get rid of me, I seen people end up in jail, ect, ect. I've seen extremely hard times but was brought through them safely. I've seen many return back to the fold after 1yr-60yrs and many in between yrs. All have admitted though they ran from truth (and many were just like you are now) the Truth never left them. You my friend were never force into this way and you were not forced out! You like most others were looking for a way out and found it by false accusations. Your own actions speak for them self about your self. In short; if the Lord is really with you then answer my previous question honestly and sincerely. If not be aware how you or anyone else handle the LORD'S elect. Go ahead I know your itching to pull this apart/cut it down, and or distort it. But don't say I didn't warn you. Is this a curse? "If not be aware how you or anyone else handle the LORD'S elect. Go ahead I know your itching to pull this apart/cut it down, and or distort it. But don't say I didn't warn you." You know where curses come from!! Try reading your bible Jesus cursed the fig tree, and sat out many others, GOD cursed man in Geneses, Was it not Elijah or Elisha that cursed over 150 men that died(3 groups of 50 ) ect, ect. Well, I have seen in the last 10 years many things befall professing people in meetings. Of the professing people in my family, 2 died in a car crash, one died in an aeroplane crash, 2 died of cancer, one has an incurable illness. Of those in the family who have left meeting nothing has befallen any of them in the last 10 years. Roughly 50% are in and 50% are out. Those who left meetings are of a sound mind with free spirits to worship God compared to those in meeting who suffer from depression trying to be someone God did not design them to be. I have also seen and witnessed; Many on both sides suffer loses, so I really don’t see were you’re coming from? Did not God say the rain would fall on the just and the unjust!! What you have gotten away with today could bite you tomorrow or down the road. Further more I do not know their circumstances; the Almighty has strange ways of correcting all of us. Maybe you’re not telling us the full story. Do you doubt that God's way is Jesus? What do you mean "this is the right way." do you mean the church you go to that was started by a man called William Irvine who turned out to be a false preacher 110 years ago is the right way? That is your words and most who have become disgruntled. People died trying to get rid or you, people ended up in jail - all because of you. You seem to have some evil powers which I doubt are of God. Curses are from the evil one, not God. Many thousands of people have left the meetings never to return than have ever left and returned if that is an indication of anything. More people have left and found the real Jesus outside of meetings. I have heard preaching since being outside that feeds far more people and changes far more lives than the crumbs the workers preach. People like you make me glad to be free. Again you only read part and omit the rest this seems to be a common theme, in this you have informed us you have a major problem, no wonder there is so much confusion. Again read your bible before you talk, it is very clear you either can’t read or you simply like the devil like to manipulate, The devil can only curse that in which the creator allows him to curse. Again did not God say this? Also did not God say cursed be the man that partakes in the tree of good and evil? Didn’t satin twist the words, around, while tempting our Lord? Guess I haven't got much tolerance for people who are brainwashed into thinking that some thing started up by the likes of William Irvine is the true church nor for people who go around cursing others. It reeks of self righteousness. So what do you call your self? Destroyers of Truth? Guess you haven’t much tolerance or regards for good living people neither according to what you just said about your family.
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