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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 20:07:44 GMT -5
Todd told us straight out that his faith is in the 2x2 church. Yours seems to be also. I assume when you say 2x2 that you mean the way of God, because there is not an actual '2x2 church'... well not that I am a member of anyway. If there was such a thing as a 2x2 church and I had my faith in this church, I would certainly find out how to join up to become a member. My faith is not in any religion.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jan 2, 2009 20:30:00 GMT -5
Todd told us straight out that his faith is in the 2x2 church. Yours seems to be also. I assume when you say 2x2 that you mean the way of God, because there is not an actual '2x2 church'... well not that I am a member of anyway. If there was such a thing as a 2x2 church and I had my faith in this church, I would certainly find out how to join up to become a member. My faith is not in any religion. if you did not profess in this church then you are not a member. If you stood up in a workers meeting then you are a member of this group. My mother has a list of members of this group. Most in her meeting have a list of members in her area. Do you not have a list of members in your area? The 2x2 church is a name outsiders have attached to this group which you may or may not attend. If people are not members then how can those who have been excommunicated be excommunicated? If you are not a member how come you go to meetings that belong to that group and not some other church on a Sunday? Is it because you are a member of the group you attend? Why is it that those who have not professed in a meeting held by a worker of this group can not take full part in Sunday morning meetings. Why is it if another believer who comes in and has not professed in workers who belong to this group cannot take full part. Being a Christian and professing in another church os not good enough, but one must profess in your church to belong to this group. Why is it that you support the workers of this group and not some other church? Why do those in your group only attend meetings held by this group? Because they are members having stood up in meeting to confess this to this group. This group/church and not another. Your group is a group with a closed membership with a way of joining. Seems that you prefer others to call your group the way of God and not the 2x2s. Your group is not the way of God, Jesus is. You even have head workers over the members of your group.
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 20:35:56 GMT -5
I consider the Gospel to be in simple terms "The Story of Jesus, God's Good News". Yes, that is what I consider the Gospel to be too, and isn't that in the bible? Ok, so you are going to have to ask me about these specific things if you want a specific answer from me. Don't just ask what Gospel I believe, because I am likely to tell you that I believe the story of Jesus, the gospel that is in the bible, the good news. Ok I don't remember you asking this, but the reason why I would find this difficult to answer is that you are virtually wanting me to repeat the whole gospel to you. To answer these questions as generically as the questions are... I believe the Gospel to be what is written in the bible... Everything that is in the Gospel should be believed about Jesus... He saves people by bringing them to know him and his Gospel, that they can be born again. What have they added? I haven't heard about this.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 20:58:22 GMT -5
Thanks, I will stop worrying So have you ever stopped to wonder why your faith is not solely in Jesus? I can see that yours isn't
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 21:05:47 GMT -5
So to you and ram will you stop doing the tip toe dance around the questions, and answer them. Or are you who oppose us afraid of convicting your selves and your selfish motives?
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 21:16:51 GMT -5
[quote author=judy board=general thread=12218 post=241708 time=1230White Knight, which one of you is posting tonight? you or your child?[/quote] I do my own postings. I can see you didn't like her response in the pm. She has enough sense to keep away from this poison on the TMB and leaves it to the more experienced ones.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2009 21:17:45 GMT -5
The type of works the workers encourage are not due the Holy Spirit in a persons life, but are instead changing of outward appearance in order to conform to the rest of the group. They then say it is a reflection of Christ within. It is only a reflection that they are conforming to the groups rules, nothing to do with the guidance of the Holy Spirit in their lives. These are the works that the workers see as Godly. A change in outward appearance, which are not based on the Holy Spirit working in a persons life, but as wanting to fit in. By all means, when someone just does something like the "outward appearance" to be "just fitting in with the group" will NEVER know true works of the spirit within themselves. HOWEVEAR, those who have the spirit leading them into all righteousness, the outward appearance may become like those in the group more like a second thought and nothing so finite as purposely doing an outward appearance thing just because it says "Hey, that's what it takes to be one of them." A whole different ball of wax...and that's why so many who feel "forced" to "fit in" build up "anger, "resentment", "hatred", and a WHOLE LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE LEADING OF THE SPIRIT! It is never within man to direct his own steps aright, so if he can't direct his own steps then how can he think another lowly man just like himself can do it? eh? It is being led by the Holy Spirit that creates a "willingness" within a submitted heart and that is a submission to God and God alone! For example, I've been quite liberal in telling some of the elder workers things I'm really convicted about in regards to the appearance issue...they may not ever agree with me, but they've respect my rights for my individual convictions. And that's a fact. When I was a young adult, there was things about the form of the fellowship I could not understand....perhaps there was a building of a resentment there within me...I don't know...I didn't leave the fellowship because of form...but because of an offense and a very personal offense. BUT when times passed that offense was revealed to me to be nothing more then personality clashes and differences of opinions even to the point of violence! The MAIN thing I learned was it doesn't matter ONE WHET what anyone else thinks of me, but what God thinks of me! How do I relate with God. Makes me think of John out on the isle of Patmos all alone...who was he relating to that day...he was an exiled prisoner at the moment...but he was relating to his best friend, the bridegroom and the bridegroom(Jesus) revealed to him many many secrets of the kingdom of heaven then, in the future and way into the future! It was John's personal relationship with His Saviour that counted....nothing else counted for him.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2009 21:21:27 GMT -5
Pray, explain to me just why you can't have it both ways ? Charitable deeds need not be done in any great showy way. Come to think of it the church I attend does good charitable deeds, but they don't go about boasting about it or singing their own praises from the highest heavens. I overcame that worker propaganda ages ago.
I wasn't the one who said you couldn't have it both ways, Ram...you were the one who insinuated that the workers taught nothing but the outward form of works, works, works.....then you said you thought it needed to be the inward part that was God's work. It made me think that you thought it wasn't possible that the inward part had not been done by the workers or anyone the workers were talking to so that they felt free to try to get people to do the outward works that show that the inward works by God had been done or was being done.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:24:03 GMT -5
Todd told us straight out that his faith is in the 2x2 church. Yours seems to be also. I assume when you say 2x2 that you mean the way of God, because there is not an actual '2x2 church'... well not that I am a member of anyway. If there was such a thing as a 2x2 church and I had my faith in this church, I would certainly find out how to join up to become a member. My faith is not in any religion. tsk tsk... changing words. Nope, your assumption is just that. Perhaps you should think about why your faith is not in (God & Jesus) alone.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:25:30 GMT -5
[quote author=judy board=general thread=12218 post=241708 time=1230White Knight, which one of you is posting tonight? you or your child? I do my own postings. I can see you didn't like her response in the pm. She has enough sense to keep away from this poison on the TMB and leaves it to the more experienced ones. [/quote] Perhaps, but how does she stay from your poison at home?
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2009 21:29:08 GMT -5
" Living the Christian life is what believers do AFTER they hear and believe the Gospel.
You also stated you have an issue with the workers changing the gospel into something that the gospel doesn't contain...but then you say that the "believers do AFTER they hear and believe the Gospel."
My question for you to clarify is this: When you went to gospel mtgs. under the auspices of any worker...was it not true that MOST the people listening were already "believers"?
If that is the case then would it not be sound reasoning to believe that the workers preaching there were trying their best to "attune" their preaching to those already "believing" and thus it would be something about HOW to show that you are a "believer"?
No, not every gospel mtg. is going to be Jesus was born to a virgin Mother, he lived, he ministered, he died on the cross for our redemption, and he arose and is on the right hand of God His Father. It will depend on WHO is the audience of what the workers will be more apt to try to streamline their sermons to. Yes, preaching of the basic gospel story is right, but when you have more "believers" then not, is it not reasonable to expect that those sermons will take on a little more of what believers can do beside just the beginning believing?
Ity isn't just breaking the colt, it's teaching the colt along the way how it shall go in the rest of its' life!
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:31:12 GMT -5
It isn't just breaking the colt, it's teaching the colt along the way how it shall go in the rest of its' life! It isn't just breaking the cult, it's teaching the cult along the way how it shall go in the rest of its' life!
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2009 21:31:21 GMT -5
Actually, 'the work' is found in the bible. Oh, right. Luke 13:27. The labourer is worthy his hire.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:33:33 GMT -5
And by the fruits of their labor (which has been disgusting at times) ye shall know them and keep them at bay.
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 21:38:16 GMT -5
I don't have time to reply to everything you said believer, but just a few comments before I rush off... If people are not members then how can those who have been excommunicated be excommunicated? A few years ago I got kicked out of a shopping centre that I wasn't a member of? It is possible. How do you think Jesus got rid of those buying and selling in the temple? He made a whip. They didn't need to be members before he could get rid of them. Same story. How is it that I always got to the same shopping centre to do my shopping despite not being a member. Obviously I have corrected my behaviour since I got kicked out, and they let me in. They are fellowship meetings. Wouldn't the workers of the other church get support from those that go to their church? They don't. Yes I do. You must be thinking of a different group. I was actually thinking of those that are following the way of God.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 21:39:08 GMT -5
todd's brainwashing is complete.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 21:44:45 GMT -5
"unsubstantiated hearsay" this seems to be those that oppose the truth, the way, the LORDS way, right ilylo...... I lie low from Kansas.
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 21:54:51 GMT -5
todd's brainwashing is complete. My brain needs a good washing from time to time. You should try it... it might improve the quality of your posts
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:00:01 GMT -5
"unsubstantiated hearsay" this seems to be those that oppose the truth, the way, the LORDS way, right ilylo...... I lie low from Kansas. Oh, come on. Make a point that actually says something. Surely you have some substance somewhere inside that empty head of yours.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:00:19 GMT -5
todd's brainwashing is complete. My brain needs a good washing from time to time. You should try it... it might improve the quality of your posts That's good advice. You should take it.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:02:57 GMT -5
"unsubstantiated hearsay" this seems to be those that oppose the truth, the way, the LORDS way, right ilylo...... I lie low from Kansas. Oh, come on. Make a point that actually says something. Surely you have some substance somewhere inside that empty head of yours. Sham on you, talking about yourself like that in the public.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:04:17 GMT -5
Oh, come on. Make a point that actually says something. Surely you have some substance somewhere inside that empty head of yours. Sham on you talking about yourself like that in the public. Hello, PeeWee Herman.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:07:16 GMT -5
My brain needs a good washing from time to time. You should try it... it might improve the quality of your posts That's good advice. You should take it. Nope; you need it more than any one else on the board
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:07:52 GMT -5
If you say so, PeeWee Herman.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:09:12 GMT -5
Sham on you talking about yourself like that in the public. Hello, PeeWee Herman. Calling yourself names again?
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 22:12:02 GMT -5
My brain needs a good washing from time to time. You should try it... it might improve the quality of your posts That's good advice. You should take it. You just told me that my brain washing is complete. Make up your mind
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:26:51 GMT -5
Calling yourself names again? I'd like to continue to spar with you but the day has come to an end good night.
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