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Post by Gene on Mar 21, 2014 17:23:22 GMT -5
I just believe the Word about this. ...
I have heard people write on blogs that homosexuality in the Bible is only talking about male prostitutes. But I have looked into this, and I have had to disagree. I hope my words do not offend anyone, but this is a very sensitive topic and they might. If so, I’m sorry! I don’t want to cause anyone hurt.
When I read Leviticus 18, it does not talk about prostitutes at all. It is about every kind of sexual act that is forbidden. God says that all of “the nations” did those types of sex acts listed there and the land threw them up. His people are NOT to do ANY of them.
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...Nowadays it is hard to talk about this. People get very angry and call Christians who just believe the Word all kinds of hurtful names. I have been called these, too. I guess I am just a person who has decided to cling to the rock of Christ, no matter what it costs me. God bless. Hanging, I totally agree with you on your interpretation of biblical views on homosexuality, much to the chagrin of my fellow-gays who happen to be Christians. It is forbidden, plain and simple, in my view. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 21, 2014 17:30:46 GMT -5
As my husband says it wasn't Adam and Steve. I do feel genuinely sorry for people who are born with different x and Y chromosomes and are the wrong sex But to chose to be gay as a lifestyle is not right. My cousin was raped by a priest at a catholic college and is gay. I would do something bad to anyone touching my child. |
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Post by faune on Mar 21, 2014 17:32:31 GMT -5
hmmmm...then maybe through gene therapy we could have a cure for this? Or maybe through gene therapy we could have a cure for heterosexuality? Just think -- you breeders could CHOOSE to become gay with a simple regimen of gene therapy! You know you're curious - go for it! If it doesn't work out, you could always have it reversed! Gene ~ You would make a good comedian, for real. I love your wit! This comes from a straight person who believes some gays can be so cool with their come-backs to homophobia. 
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Post by Gene on Mar 21, 2014 17:33:40 GMT -5
As my husband says it wasn't Adam and Steve. I do feel genuinely sorry for people who are born with different x and Y chromosomes and are the wrong sex But to chose to be gay as a lifestyle is not right. My cousin was raped by a priest at a catholic college and is gay. I would do something bad to anyone touching my child. I suspect there are people who choose same-sex relationships. I don't know that it matters whether it's a choice or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 17:34:35 GMT -5
As my husband says it wasn't Adam and Steve. I do feel genuinely sorry for people who are born with different x and Y chromosomes and are the wrong sex But to chose to be gay as a lifestyle is not right. My cousin was raped by a priest at a catholic college and is gay. I would do something bad to anyone touching my child. i'm sure some people struggle with whether or not thier gay after being raped also alot like a rape victim often thinks they are at fault for being raped |
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Post by Gene on Mar 21, 2014 17:36:34 GMT -5
Or maybe through gene therapy we could have a cure for heterosexuality? Just think -- you breeders could CHOOSE to become gay with a simple regimen of gene therapy! You know you're curious - go for it! If it doesn't work out, you could always have it reversed! that would be suicide I don't understand. Do you mean that if you were to wake up gay one day, you would kill yourself? Or that if you were to choose to become gay, you're concerned you'd be a death-target for the haters? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 17:40:28 GMT -5
no that would be the suicide of the human race not enough would procreate to replace those who would die...
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Post by faune on Mar 21, 2014 17:46:00 GMT -5
Haven't most knowledgeable people realize by now that no one "chooses to be gay?" Why would your cousin being raped by a priest cause him/her to be is gay? i'm sure some people struggle with whether or not thier gay after being raped also alot like a rape victim often thinks they are at fault for being raped ~ You make an interesting point here. It's very possible that such an act as rape could enter into the equation which influenced someone later on to become gay due to the confused questions it might have gendered within their minds regarding "Why me?" It would be a stretch of the imagination under the circumstances, but who knows how something like a rape could affect ones feelings later on?  |
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Post by Gene on Mar 21, 2014 17:47:13 GMT -5
no that would be the suicide of the human race not enough would procreate to replace those who would die... I see what you're saying. Given the choice, virtually EVERYONE would choose to be gay! I hope that never happens. I wouldn't want all the competition!  |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 21, 2014 17:53:50 GMT -5
I just believe the Word about this.
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1. Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2. "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'I am the Lord your God. 3, 'You shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes.4. 'You are to perform My judgments and keep My statutes, to live in accord with them; I am the Lord your God. 5. 'So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, by which a man may live if he does them; I am the Lord. 6. 'None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the Lord. 7. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness. 8. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness. 9. 'The nakedness of your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether born at home or born outside, their nakedness you shall not uncover. 10. 'The nakedness of your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for their nakedness is yours. 11. 'The nakedness of your father's wife's daughter, born to your father, she is your sister, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 12. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister; she is your father's blood relative. 13. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister, for she is your mother's blood relative. 14. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother; you shall not approach his wife, she is your aunt. 15. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness. 17. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, nor shall you take her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are blood relatives. It is lewdness . 18. 'You shall not marry a woman in addition to her sister as a rival while she is alive, to uncover her nakedness. 19. 'Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her menstrual impurity. 20. 'You shall not have intercourse with your neighbor's wife, to be defiled with her. 21. 'You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the Lord. 22. 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23. 'Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24. 'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled. 25. 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants. 26. 'But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you 27. (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled); 28. so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you. 29. 'For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their people. 30. 'Thus you are to keep My charge, that you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before you, so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the Lord your God.' "
People also say that Jesus never said one word about homosexuality. It is a Christian belief that Jesus in his pre-incarnation is the Word of God, the only mediator between God and man, who gave God’s words to the people. Jesus also speaks about the day when people will come to him at the Judgement and talk about all the great things they did in his name and he will tell them he never knew them, and to get away from him, because they work lawlessness. Jesus told everyone not to think he had done away with the law. Paul also tells us not to think of God’s grace as an reason to become law-less.
Jesus cleared up what is marriage when they asked him about divorce. He referred to the union of a man and woman ‘in the beginning, quoting from Genesis.
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Matthew 19:4 through 6.
Not too long ago in our own time, people including the American Psychiatric Association be believed homosexuality was a "mental disorder."
Now, the major mental health organizations declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.
Current research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality.
Do you think that people should take another look at such age old beliefs on homosexuality?
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 21, 2014 17:57:19 GMT -5
Haven't most knowledgeable people realize by now that no one "chooses to be gay?" Why would your cousin being raped by a priest cause him/her to be is gay? i'm sure some people struggle with whether or not thier gay after being raped also alot like a rape victim often thinks they are at fault for being raped
Being gay and being raped are too different & unrelated issues of sexuality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 18:00:39 GMT -5
i don't think your understanding the confusion that someone who is raped might undergo after such an event...
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 21, 2014 18:07:34 GMT -5
I just believe the Word about this.
Nowadays it is hard to talk about this. People get very angry and call Christians who just believe the Word all kinds of hurtful names. I have been called these, too. I guess I am just a person who has decided to cling to the rock of Christ, no matter what it costs me. God bless.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2014 20:08:10 GMT -5
Paul never met Jesus. And what he said about homosexuality was in fact against "male prostitutes". ~ I believe he's referring to Paul's vision of Jesus on the Road to Damascus where he was blinded by a beam of light and heard the voice of Jesus in Acts 9. Although Paul never physically met Jesus, he did have his visions of him and received his commission as an apostle through this vision. Later the leading apostles of Jesus (Peter, James, and John) accepted him into the fold in Galatians 2 as an apostle appointed to the Gentiles. Ummm. Maybe that counts. However, Paul wasn't so faithful to the advice he got from the 12 apostles when he went to Jerusalem. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2014 20:11:47 GMT -5
no that would be the suicide of the human race not enough would procreate to replace those who would die... What about all the straight people who just seem to keep on producing gay children? Is there something to be done about that? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2014 20:16:27 GMT -5
i don't think your understanding the confusion that someone who is raped might undergo after such an event... What kind of rape are you confused about, wally? Male raped by male male raped by female female raped by male female raped by female??? Anyway, rape doesn't change someone's sexuality. All it does is complicate their God-given ability to function the way they were programmed to function. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 20:17:16 GMT -5
i'm not a doctor so i don't know genetic therapy has not been fully explored yet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 20:23:57 GMT -5
i don't think your understanding the confusion that someone who is raped might undergo after such an event... What kind of rape are you confused about, wally? Male raped by male male raped by female female raped by male female raped by female??? Anyway, rape doesn't change someone's sexuality. All it does is complicate their God-given ability to function the way they were programmed to function. i'm not confused, i've been involved with the mental health working community for 22 years and you cannot even imagine what confusion a rape victim goes through... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2014 20:42:29 GMT -5
What kind of rape are you confused about, wally? Male raped by male male raped by female female raped by male female raped by female??? Anyway, rape doesn't change someone's sexuality. All it does is complicate their God-given ability to function the way they were programmed to function. i'm not confused, i've been involved with the mental health working community for 22 years and you cannot even imagine what confusion a rape victim goes through... How do you know what I can imagine? Or what I don't even need an imagination to understand? If I had been raped by a man do you think it would have turned me gay? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 21, 2014 20:46:58 GMT -5
Haven't most knowledgeable people realize by now that no one "chooses to be gay?" Why would your cousin being raped by a priest cause him/her to be is gay? I suspect there are people who choose same-sex relationships. I don't know that it matters whether it's a choice or not.
Perhaps more now that there is somewhat less persecution.
You are right, as usual, Gene!
It shouldn't matter one whit whether it's a choice or not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 20:54:05 GMT -5
i'm not confused, i've been involved with the mental health working community for 22 years and you cannot even imagine what confusion a rape victim goes through... How do you know what I can imagine? Or what I don't even need an imagination to understand? If I had been raped by a man do you think it would have turned me gay? i've known a couple women that turned away from men to women after being raped by men they could not bear being around men after that... |
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Post by Archie on Mar 21, 2014 22:40:42 GMT -5
How do you know what I can imagine? Or what I don't even need an imagination to understand? If I had been raped by a man do you think it would have turned me gay? i've known a couple women that turned away from men to women after being raped by men they could not bear being around men after that... I know of a couple of ladies who have found comfort and relationship with another woman , after abusive male relationship. But yes , the majority of us are born this way. Nothing will change us. |
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Post by faune on Mar 22, 2014 0:35:20 GMT -5
How do you know what I can imagine? Or what I don't even need an imagination to understand? If I had been raped by a man do you think it would have turned me gay? i've known a couple women that turned away from men to women after being raped by men they could not bear being around men after that... ~ I read once that some women from abusive marriages tend to gravitate towards a woman because of the violence associated with marriage to these men. They felt safer and more attracted to women afterwards. |
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Post by hangingout on Mar 23, 2014 20:14:17 GMT -5
Several questions were asked of me. I wish I had more time to go into more detail, but that would make this post really, really long. So, here are my answers.
Q. How many times have people gotten angry and called you all "kinds of hurtful names?"
A. I’ve never actually counted all the times. (It never occurred to me to keep track of the amount.) I do try to live by the rule to forgive, and I believe I have. Too many for comfort?
Q. Do you share the age old belief from the bible that homosexuality is a "sin?"
A. Yes. Do you know the Christian’s definition of sin? The apostle John wrote (1 John 3:4) that “sin is transgression of the law."
I think it would also be a sin to preach without love. As Paul makes it very clear in 1 Corinthians 13:1-8, "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."
Knowing God loves us stirs us to repentance. There is a way to preach the truth in which we do nothing but alienate others, and to do this is a disservice to the gospel. That isn't to say that we must "compromise" or water-down hard passages. But it does mean "speaking the truth in love" (Eph.4:15) and with gentleness. "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted." Galatians 6:1.
Q. Not too long ago in our own time, people including the American Psychiatric Association believed homosexuality was a "mental disorder." Now, the major mental health organizations declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. Current research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality. Do you think that people should take another look at such age old beliefs on homosexuality? Haven't most knowledgeable people realized by now that no one "chooses to be gay?"
A. The more I learn about the gay movement, the more I want to learn. The Rainbow History Project online is a good place to go. Years past, I did read how homosexual activists stormed a convention of the American Psychiatric Association, demanding that it be removed as a “disorder” from the DSM (Diagnostic Statistical Manual) used by Psychiatry. Using the “Zaps” strategy, activists Frank Kameny and Barbara Gittings got “the shrinks” to give in to their demands. As Kameny explained, ““An attribution of mental illness in our culture is devastating, and it’s something which is virtually impossible to get beyond,” (he said to Charles Kaiser, who interviewed him in 1995 for his book “The Gay Metropolis: 1940-1996.” - By David W. Dunlap, Published October 12, 2011, NY Times.)
These activists undermined the “authority” of the Psychiatric profession by demanding the diagnosis be taken out of their manual. This was done. As Mark Meinke wrote, “The APA was on notice that gay men and women were no longer going to acquiesce in others' definition of their normality. Between the 1971 convention in Washington and the 1972 convention in Dallas, the APA, Dr. Kameny, Barbara Gittings, and others negotiated over a presence for homosexuals at the conference. Dr Kameny recalls "At that point they were afraid to say no to us. So they said yes. Barbara Gittings got an architect to make us a very very nice booth out of white Styrofoam so that it would be easy to ship down to Dallas, and a big sign saying Gay, Proud, and Healthy. And I wrote a leaflet to go with it, which Lynn Womack, a local gay printer printed up for me in large numbers of copies." On December 15, 1973, the Board of the APA voted to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual's list of mental disorders.” (From “Zapping the Shrinks” Rainbow History Project/ May 1971)
After this happened, and it was no longer considered a “disorder” per the DSM, people now cite it as an authority (as you just did) e.g., “psychiatry considers it just a variant of normal.” (Most people really don’t know this history.)
If you’ve never heard of Gay May Day, and never read the Gay Liberation Front Manifesto of 1971, I encourage you to read about it from the pens of those who were a part of it. The gay rights movement is a part of what has been called the “sexual revolution” of the late 50’s, 60’s, and mid 1970’s.
From: The Gay Liberation Front Manifesto (Fordham University archives):
“Our entire society is built around the patriarchal family and its enshrinement of these masculine and feminine roles. Religion, popular morality art, literature and sport all reinforce these stereotypes. In other words, this society is a sexist society, in which one's biological sex determines almost all of what one does and how one does it; a situation in which men are privileged, and women are mere adjuncts of men and objects for their use, both sexually and otherwise.”
I know that “patriarchy” is thrown around as if it’s a negative word these days.
“As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs…” Romans 11:28 (St.Paul, speaking about the fulfilment of prophecy that Jesus would be rejected by his own people.)
As a Christian, I am grateful for the patriarchs, and for the natural order (marriage, and the roles of men and women) that God created. If people misuse their roles and don’t live up to them in a godly way, this is not the fault of the patriarchs, nor of the natural order, nor of God! It is because of human sin. This is another reason why we need Jesus! Husbands, wives, children – families – all need Jesus to be the heart of their home. Of course, to some people, this is considered “foolishness.” That is the state of our world.
The psychiatrists knew they couldn’t truly help the homosexual, but they did amass data in which it was shown that the role of the father in the home was of considerable influence on their development. (You can google this if you’re truly curious about the “other” psychiatric point of view, since not all psychiatrists in the APA agreed with the activists then or today.)
Feminism, too, has sought to diminish (even villainize) the traditional role of the father, and patriarchy in general. (If you want “proof” of this, please google these terms, which will open up archives by major feminist writers on “patriarchy”.)
Q. Do you think that these things that you noted about your friends caused them to be gay?
"One grew up without a dad at all. The other's Dad is there, but he is very critical and kind of cold. And the third was molested by her Dad. All are extremely close to their Moms."
A. I would not point to one single “cause” because how we develop is complicated. But my friends do have this background in common, and I do think it matters.
Clinical research (google it) has shown that many homosexual men have craved closer and more intimate (loving, healthy) relationships with their (distant) fathers. Lesbian women often have deeply-rooted “anti-male” feelings because of distorted relationships with men in early life.
Trauma-based sexual encounters in the formative years become sexual triggers in adulthood, too, even though they are unwanted. (You can google the estimated percentage of homosexuals who have reportedly been victims of sexual abuse and other forms of abuse in childhood.)
It’s been my experience that if you take an “open-minded” approach, you can google this and find a lot on this subject. But if you want to only look for “proof” that already agrees with your opinion, you can find that, too. 
Q. You say that you have three gay friends….You say you will always love these people, but you won't give up your beliefs for them.
I wonder, Have your gay friends or anyone one this board or anyone else ever ASKED or EXPRESSED to you that you should give up your beliefs for them?
A. Yes!
Just a quick example. The term “homophobia” – that’s a term of ridicule. This term means that if you are a believer in the Bible on this issue (that it is sinful), then you have a disorder. You are afraid of homosexuality. You are the problem. And YOU should give up your “antiquated” views.
As some recovering homosexuals have put it, “I am a heterosexual with a homosexual problem.” Gay activists want us, by their use of the term “homophobia”, to make it standard for people to think the reverse: “I am a homosexual with a societal problem in that society does not accept my orientation as normal and good.”
Q. I wonder exactly why anyone who is anti-gay seems to see it so necessary to go on the defensive about their belief?
A. It is always important to explain and defend the gospel. It has been, and will always be, controversial in this world. It’s also important to defend the religious liberties of people who have a different perspective, but now more so than ever. This ties in also with the question, "How do you think that the Civil Rights for gays impinges on YOUR Civil Rights?"
You know, civil rights for gays should not impinge on others' civil rights. But what we are seeing is that some gay activists are not recognizing (maybe in their zeal for their own cause?) that what they want can to impinge on the rights of others, too. Or perhaps they feel their own rights "trump" those of others (?) - I really can't say for sure.
Tammy Bruce (who is gay and conservative) wrote in the Washington Times (2/28/14, “Why the veto of Arizona’s religious freedom bill is alarming” - Houses of worship now vulnerable to ‘Gay Gestapo’):
“This bill, like others across the country, was thought necessary because of the emergence of business, large and small, being attacked by the gay left for either espousing Christian values or acting on their Christian faith. Ranging from a bakery to a photographer, individuals were being sued for refusing to violate their religious beliefs. Having been a liberal “community organizer” in my past, I immediately recognized the strategy being employed. This is an effort to condition the public into automatically equating faith with bigotry. To make faith in the public square illegal and dangerous, you need legal cases and publicity. Voila, lawsuits against small business resting on the notion that acting on genuinely held faith is bigotry per se.” (I’d encourage googling this title to read the rest.)
Yes, there are gays who do want to have anything which they consider “anti-gay” to be declared “hate speech.” Does this surprise you? Of course, that includes the Bible. Based on some of the comments on this board, they would have support for their goals!
For another recent example of anti-Christian bigotry:
please google, “Defending the Odgaards” (YouTube)
> Edited: I had a hard time finding this video again, so I thought I'd better just post it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcDHVmMLJTU
Please allow me to make a recommendation. If a person is sincere about REALLY wanting to know what “conservatives” think, please google their websites. Read there. I suggest that instead of going there to “speak your mind”, just go there to attempt to understand what they think, and why.
(I want to add one thing here: The use of the phrase, “most knowledgeable people” is a way of implying that only ignorant people do not share your viewpoint.)
As someone pointed out, “people are people”. This is very true. I have found that people have so much more in common than not. They just have different ideas of how to solve common problems.
I’ll say it again: WE ALL NEED JESUS! God bless!
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Post by hangingout on Mar 23, 2014 20:38:36 GMT -5
Just want to add that if you've asked me a question that I haven't gotten to, I will, just give me time
That includes "roasted deer"
I also want to add that I believe in civil rights for ALL people and I abhor any type of bullying or mistreatment of anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 20:55:16 GMT -5
i never said "ALL"...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 20:59:00 GMT -5
i specifically said i new two women, nothing more...
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 24, 2014 20:11:33 GMT -5
Several questions were asked of me. I wish I had more time to go into more detail, but that would make this post really, really long. So, here are my answers.
Q. How many times have people gotten angry and called you all "kinds of hurtful names?"
A. I’ve never actually counted all the times. (It never occurred to me to keep track of the amount.) I do try to live by the rule to forgive, and I believe I have. Too many for comfort?
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