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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2010 11:55:52 GMT -5
I wonder what the talk is between species. "Did you hear Mr. Grasshopper impregnated himself last year?", asked Mrs. Hyena. "For shame!", Ms. Rhinocerous bellowed, "He will surely die in a black cloud and be sent to the tar pits for eternity." It was another day at Cacophony Cafe. LOL I think we're the only species dumb enough to shun others for their differences. Homosexuality does occur in the animal world, but I doubt they get shunned for it. |
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Post by debkingkent on Feb 23, 2010 19:53:15 GMT -5
I'm a mom of a lesbian, I know this is about workers and homosexuality...but I was raised very strict..my grandfather was a worker, although he passed before my mom even got married. I think that life experiences helped me w/ acceptance of my daughter. She always disliked going to mtg because she felt uncomfortable, even at a young age. God will be the judge and I'll tell you my daughter is an awesome, moral person. I also grew up w/ a guy who went in the work and ended up leaving due to homosexuality. It is a hard life, no one would choose this life!!
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Post by ts on Aug 4, 2010 23:24:57 GMT -5
I know a bit about what the scriptures say about homosexuality. I do think that homosexual relationships are not pleasing to God. I just do not think that is what God ever intended for intimate relationships.
That being said, I have read here a few things from the side of the homosexuals and it seems to agree with a conversation that I had a while back with a homosexual. The same sex attraction is undeniable and is equal to heterosexual attraction.
So what difference does it make if I think it is right or wrong? If it is wrong, I certainly do not have a solution. We never read of anyone being healed of homosexuality. I imagine most folks would bristle if someone told him he needed to be healed of homosexuality. Like saying you are black and need to be healed of it. If I think something is wrong but I do not have a solution, then how am I going to address the matter? I do think a lot of well meaning people take the wrong approach to helping. Especially when it comes to the issue of homosexuality.
I have a few more thoughts and speculations about the subject but I am not very politically correct and find I innocently stumble into controversies.
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Post by aflrx on Aug 5, 2010 22:21:16 GMT -5
I know a bit about what the scriptures say about homosexuality. I do think that homosexual relationships are not pleasing to God. I just do not think that is what God ever intended for intimate relationships. That being said, I have read here a few things from the side of the homosexuals and it seems to agree with a conversation that I had a while back with a homosexual. The same sex attraction is undeniable and is equal to heterosexual attraction. So what difference does it make if I think it is right or wrong? If it is wrong, I certainly do not have a solution. We never read of anyone being healed of homosexuality. I imagine most folks would bristle if someone told him he needed to be healed of homosexuality. Like saying you are black and need to be healed of it. If I think something is wrong but I do not have a solution, then how am I going to address the matter? I do think a lot of well meaning people take the wrong approach to helping. Especially when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. I have a few more thoughts and speculations about the subject but I am not very politically correct and find I innocently stumble into controversies. I innocently stumble into controversies, too, ts, so you have company on this one! I have read several of your posts and I like the things you say - I agree with them.... |
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Post by eyedeetentee on Aug 6, 2010 0:15:44 GMT -5
It is a good thing you are stating your open-minded opinion here rather than on the main board. You would be bombarded by the nate-like troup pointing out your errors.
Marrying at very young ages was common years ago as well as keeping young 'livestock' around for sexual pleasure. Today, those people would be jailed.
Michael Jackson was innocent and should not have been tried as an adult. That statement brings a lot of bickering and discontentment from the opposing side, which is high in number, but it is my firm opinion regardless of what others think.
People cannot tolerate those who are different. Moral of the story - people are dumb.
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Post by ts on Aug 6, 2010 20:09:35 GMT -5
I don't know how open minded I am. I don't think Jesus would be considered at all open minded. I think it was actually open mindedness that got the pharisees where they were by the time Jesus came. It was the general open mindedness of the the Israelites over the centuries that got them curses, poor health, captivity...etc.
I do not advocate open mindedness. Narrow mindedness tends to have no compassion. Open mindedness tends to "live and let live" and call most anything righteous. I don't even advocate anywhere in the middle of those two extremes. A new heart and a new mind is the only thing to have. I am still seeking.
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Post by rational on Aug 14, 2010 17:44:41 GMT -5
So where do you see the sin? The love of the same sex or a physical act?
What physical act? Is the act only a sin between members of the same sex or is it really the act that is the sin?
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Post by bfvernon on Oct 20, 2010 1:50:01 GMT -5
I'm not gay, but I have been divorced and remarried. As a consequence, this made me think about the gay issue. I have no right to judge anyone about anything. I know that God DID NOT LET ME GO at any time in the decisions that I made, so I can only assume that He offers the same grace to people who are gay. It wasn't until I went through the above that I realised the true meaning of "judge not" and "with the same judgement ye mete, ye shall be judged". So be careful. Be VERY VERY VERY careful. It just cracks me up how so many peoplwho go to meetings do things that have been categorised as "wrong", "sinful". "worldly" or "bad", etc., etc. when they themselves have obvious lumps of wood hanging out of their own eyes!!!! I don't think for one minute that Irving, Cooney, et. al would have wanted all this "cult" mentality amongst "THE Truth". I also know that my grandparents on both side of my family (who brought this way to me) would not want anyone to be cast out because of decisions that HAD to made. How about honouring the commitments and the truth of the lives of those who have been "chucked out" ? Because if you don't, you'll end up with more situations like the ones where workers have sexually abused children.
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Post by landdownunder on Oct 20, 2010 6:52:07 GMT -5
Be VERY VERY VERY careful. It just cracks me up how so many people who go to meetings do things that have been categorised as "wrong", "sinful". "worldly" or "bad", etc., etc. when they themselves have obvious lumps of wood hanging out of their own eyes!!!! I don't think for one minute that Irving, Cooney, et. al would have wanted all this "cult" mentality amongst "THE Truth". Interesting observations bfv. There's a piece of folklore that a long time ago at a convention somewhere in Melbourne, WmIrvine called a halt half way through and sent all the congregation home because he had noticed some hanky panky (my words) going on between a male and female worker. This tells me a) that the Victorian predilection for worker congress started a long time ago, and b) that WmIrvine had high ideals when it came to worker sexual purity, at least for workers other than himself. What would he have made of the current Vic/Tas scandals? If we could resurrect dear Wm, he could enliven conventions downunder this year. Some of them could be very short affairs ;D |
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Post by bfvernon on Oct 21, 2010 17:37:58 GMT -5
Something that people might like to think about re the gay issue: research shows that lots of homosexuals have chosen that way of life because of sexual abuse. Who's fault is that? Does God want them to be unhappy and unloved for a whole lifetime because of what some creep did to them as a child?
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Post by emy on Oct 21, 2010 17:43:05 GMT -5
Something that people might like to think about re the gay issue: research shows that lots of homosexuals have chosen that way of life because of sexual abuse. Who's fault is that? Does God want them to be unhappy and unloved for a whole lifetime because of what some creep did to them as a child? No, God wants them to know that His arm is not shortened and He is sufficient for them in spite of what some creep did to them! |
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Post by Annan on Oct 21, 2010 17:43:34 GMT -5
Something that people might like to think about re the gay issue: research shows that lots of homosexuals have chosen that way of life because of sexual abuse. Who's fault is that? Does God want them to be unhappy and unloved for a whole lifetime because of what some creep did to them as a child? I'd sure like to see that research! Can you provide documentation? |
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Post by bfvernon on Oct 21, 2010 20:44:00 GMT -5
I'll find it.
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Post by dragonfly on Oct 29, 2010 15:01:34 GMT -5
Good Luck..........
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Post by Annan on Nov 1, 2010 17:13:08 GMT -5
Still waiting...
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Post by rational on Nov 1, 2010 18:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Nov 4, 2010 17:15:09 GMT -5
Hope you brought lots of reading material.  |
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 4, 2010 17:31:57 GMT -5
Something that people might like to think about re the gay issue: research shows that lots of homosexuals have chosen that way of life because of sexual abuse. Who's fault is that? Does God want them to be unhappy and unloved for a whole lifetime because of what some creep did to them as a child? Chosen? They chose that life? Are you sure that is the word you should use? I am willing to bet that if a person made the above quote as some sort of research, that person has no merit in the true science of the mind and human relations. It sounds more like something a religious leader would say. Bfvernon, you might check out the supposed link between pedophilia and homosexuality. Research scientific journals. |
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 12, 2010 18:58:24 GMT -5
I appreciated reading one post on being very very very careful when judging. I think all the judging I heard from friends and workers during my time in the Work and fellowship really tired me and made me feel so sick. I joined this fellowship when I was on my late teens, I was a complete stranger and no one in my family or community took interest. I believed this to be an exclusive truth and I didn't spare the cost, the ridicule of family and friends. All I wanted to do was to live an upright life and please God. I endured a lot and at the age of 23 I started in the Ministry. My family isolated me from them totally and I hardly heard from them. I spent 6 years in the Work and they never visited me. Yet I embrace the friends and workers as my new family and tried to serve them with my best. I knew deep inside my heart that I was gay and I remember spending many many nights on my knees praying to God for direction and strength and i tried to walk worthy of my calling. I was young and out going, many look at me as a role model, because of having left the world, friends and family and having fit in so happily in the fellowship and the Work. My ministry enabled me to reach out to many young kids struggling with the faith, addressing problems such as sexual relations, pregnancy, etc and even some people I met along the way who were dealing with same sex attraction. I came to be at a cross road. How to help them? Deep inside my heart I didn't believe they were evil because I didn't believe I was evil. The time came when I fell in love for the 1st time to a guy I met after Conventions. I examined myself a lot, it wasn't even about sex, just that overwhelming feeling of being in love and why would that be wrong? Then all the judgement weight and made me feel so sick. People didn't know I was gay, they seemed to like me but if they knew, would they still like me, that was my question!!! I was under a lot of stress and many things happened during my ministry, accidents, depressed companions, etc that left me stressed and tired. When I couldn't continue anymore I asked my overseer the help to go to therapy or take a break and his answer was: talk to some of the friends or a worker, i don't like that therapy business. I had no choice but to walk away. I had no family and no where to go. The friends didn't really show much interest. I was glad some worldly friends took pity on me and offered help. The first few months were very very difficult. I was so depressed, anorexic, so lost. Most of the people that helped me were either homosexuals, jews or atheist. Now I am finding my bearings a bit easier but it is still difficult. I am single, celibate and I live a clean liife, yet I don't feel I could be accepted in the fellowship If I were open about my feelings. It feels so sad to be left out of something that has been so meaningful in my life and for which I have invested so much. So please be careful when judging, you never know who you are hurting and these wounds take a long time to heal and there are very few who could understand and bring aid to ease the pain!!! Thanks for sharing all that twagner. Probably not easy to talk about, but it is goof good that you can. So please be careful when judging, you never know who you are hurting and these wounds take a long time to heal and there are very few who could understand and bring aid to ease the pain!!!A good reminder to us all for sure! Scott  |
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Post by eyedeeoh on Dec 16, 2010 22:08:39 GMT -5
Scott, fix your sentence.
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 16, 2010 23:18:41 GMT -5
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 16, 2010 23:43:15 GMT -5
Thanks. Twagner might appreciate it.
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Post by Annan on Dec 18, 2010 20:14:28 GMT -5
If only we could see others through the eyes of love. How different our words and actions would be.
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Post by Gene on Dec 18, 2010 20:21:17 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Dec 18, 2010 20:26:52 GMT -5
 My husband's son is seriously against gays in the miliary. The problem is that he can't give me a satisfactory answer as to why. My husband says I don't understand how the miliary works and what problems can arise by a person being gay. I have to ask if the same problems don't arise if you don't know a person is gay? I don't get it and no one seems able to explain it.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 20, 2010 12:05:38 GMT -5
Well, everyone knows that homosexual men are horndogs who want sexual intercourse with all men. Obviously, the problem is when the soldiers take showers together or sleep in bunks. The homosexual men will be harassing all the other men. Everyone knows that homosexual men do not have preferences like heterosexual people and that they will have sexual intercourse with any man. They are all interested in sex only and nothing else. They cannot hold jobs because their minds are on sex all the time. They are freaks of nature. They are not really humans. Everyone knows.
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Post by Annan on Dec 20, 2010 17:37:44 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that gays are also pedophiles. I can't believe you... like... didn't know that.  |
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 21, 2010 13:15:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but I've stated it so many times in the past that I figured I could leave it off the list of 'facts.' I erred.
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