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Post by hi6 on Jun 10, 2006 15:18:04 GMT -5
When you tell the friends they are in a CULT, they get mad and stop the conversation. Sometimes I think we should be slow about using that term if it stops communication. They feel Satan has poisoned the minds of "bitter exes" against God's "true way!"
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Post by Roy on Jun 10, 2006 15:40:53 GMT -5
Why would you ever want to tell any of the friends that "they are in a CULT"? That's about the biggest insult one can make. "Love is the Kingdom's Banner" is the directions that the friends will listen to. When the Gospel is spelled out in unrefuitable terms with scripture to back up the terms, they will eventually listen. Most people will eventually start thinking about what is presented when presented in LOVE. The presentation has to be bullet proof and your life needs to show that there has been an actual "Born Again" life.
There appears to be too great of a hit-an-run on these boards along with poorly backed up points expressed here. Please realize there are many who have really helped me see where I've just been sleeping in meetings. The WAKE UP CALL has made me realize that just listening to someone speak in a captive audiance without proper followup just doesn't cut it.
I'd like to thank Rob, Linda, Paul, Dennis and some others who have been true in their steady postings.
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Post by lloydswanson on Jun 10, 2006 15:57:49 GMT -5
they should be told forcably that theys in a cult. cults like that 2x2s ruin proples life
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Post by firstborn on Jun 10, 2006 16:09:40 GMT -5
I would bet that most professing and non professing women hate the "c" word !
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Post by IQ on Jun 10, 2006 16:55:12 GMT -5
they should be told forcably that theys in a cult. cults like that 2x2s ruin proples life As does ALCOHOL!
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Post by greg lee unpluuged on Jun 10, 2006 16:59:15 GMT -5
they should be told forcably that theys in a cult. cults like that 2x2s ruin proples life As does ALCOHOL! By your staement, innocwentq, you agree that the 2x2's ruin people's lives.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 10, 2006 17:03:10 GMT -5
When you tell the friends they are in a CULT, they get mad and stop the conversation. Sometimes I think we should be slow about using that term if it stops communication. They feel Satan has poisoned the minds of "bitter exes" against God's "true way!" As to the title, what professing folks? What do these folks profess? I know of one friend of the workers that would simply laugh at you if you told him he is in a cult. And what is this "we" bit? You are pretty liberal with the all-inclusive words.
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Post by IQ on Jun 10, 2006 22:03:43 GMT -5
By your staement, innocwentq, you agree that the 2x2's ruin people's lives. Hmmm, if you but knew...
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Post by dgdfg on Jun 10, 2006 22:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by This says it all on Jun 11, 2006 5:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 13, 2006 20:00:08 GMT -5
While I've had some horrifying moments in the 2x2s, it by no means ruined my life. I wouldnt call it a cult, although in some areas of the world, the level of strictness is suffocating!
Thank goodness its not all like that.
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Post by las logged out on Jun 13, 2006 20:02:33 GMT -5
When you tell the friends they are in a CULT, they get mad and stop the conversation. Sometimes I think we should be slow about using that term if it stops communication. They feel Satan has poisoned the minds of "bitter exes" against God's "true way!" Do the two by twos take time to understand the proper meaning of the word cult? How it applies and to whom
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 13, 2006 20:04:57 GMT -5
Yes, Las.
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Post by las logged out on Jun 13, 2006 20:07:30 GMT -5
they should be told forcably that theys in a cult. cults like that 2x2s ruin proples life Someone continues posting under my name which is not me You ain't fooling anyone cause you can't hide one thing thats your I.S.P address let the administrator check
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Post by it becomes quite clear on Jun 15, 2006 0:17:23 GMT -5
that the majority on these postings we read do NOT know the definition of cult. And by the responses of those who use it most often, it even becomes more clear that they do not know what they are talking about. But then you must understand that and who these people are... for they have declared themselves over and over again of who they really are.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 0:40:04 GMT -5
that the majority on these postings we read do NOT know the definition of cult. And by the responses of those who use it most often, it even becomes more clear that they do not know what they are talking about. But then you must understand that and who these people are... for they have declared themselves over and over again of who they really are. How would you define cult? I can think of 4 major definitional domains by which cult can be defined. The group broadly fits two of the definitions, and they fit the other 2 definitions in some localities by all accounts. Lest I be accused of being one of these ignorant people the prior poster alludes to, I'll elaborate. 1) Historical - a set of religious beliefs and practices. Under this heading all religions are cults. By this we can refer to the Temple cult of Judaism, the cult of Diana (the goddess), the cult of Christianity etc. 2) Devotion to a particular idea, person etc. as in the surfing cult, a "cult" movie, the cult of celebrity 3) Religious - a group which differs on major doctrines as held by orthodoxy in a given religion 4) Sociological (negative) - any particular group religious or not, that employs abusive tactics to keep members in line and uses deception and manipulation to attain or keep members
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Post by Casper on Jun 15, 2006 1:53:41 GMT -5
When does Cult become Culture?
Is there any difference (some times)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 5:05:46 GMT -5
It is always praxis for obvious cultish groups to express bewilderment as to why they are regarded as such. The 2x2 group is a prime example of this. Their contempt for the 'world' they live in, and openly expressed contempt for the moral values of the entire world outside their group -- clearly places them is a highly qualified position for the title.
Highly exclusive and privitely constructed scriptural interpretations (which deviate from ordinary logic and reason) are other clear tell-tale signs.
Another typical trait is that cult thinking is close to impossible to leave behind, without the advantage of perspective.
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Post by clearly on Jun 15, 2006 5:27:35 GMT -5
"Another typical trait is that cult thinking is close to impossible to leave behind, without the advantage of perspective."
You clearly haven't left it behind then...
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Post by UR2 on Jun 15, 2006 8:50:35 GMT -5
If it walks like a duck....
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Post by UR3 on Jun 15, 2006 9:19:09 GMT -5
...and it pooops like a duck...
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Post by Goose on Jun 15, 2006 10:04:00 GMT -5
...it may be a toddler with the squirts and soiled underwear!
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Post by as i c it on Jun 15, 2006 13:35:23 GMT -5
Ignore the children Edgar. They lack the ability, maturity, and experience to know how a lost love can take years to get over. And how often pain (and other negative emotions) keep returning--UNTIL the healing is completed.
The 2x2's aren't a callous group of individuals. And I'm sure there are many who know what the loss would mean to them...and therefore, can relate to all that you (and others) lost because of what took place.
Losing our illusions of the perfection of our faith--is shocking and distressful--when it takes place. But the reality is that our first love should be for God: and the reality of that love remains--even when the illusions have been worn away.
While the love and service and years that you gave to others may now appear to have been a loss on earth--God still remembers them.
And I'm sure others still remember you. And wish everything could have worked out differently (for all involved).
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Post by Goose on Jun 15, 2006 14:19:55 GMT -5
Ignore the children Edgar. They lack the ability, maturity, and experience to know how a lost love can take years to get over. And how often pain (and other negative emotions) keep returning--UNTIL the healing is completed. The 2x2's aren't a callous group of individuals. And I'm sure there are many who know what the loss would mean to them...and therefore, can relate to all that you (and others) lost because of what took place. Losing our illusions of the perfection of our faith--is shocking and distressful--when it takes place. But the reality is that our first love should be for God: and the reality of that love remains--even when the illusions have been worn away. While the love and service and years that you gave to others may now appear to have been a loss on earth--God still remembers them. And I'm sure others still remember you. And wish everything could have worked out differently (for all involved). Now hold on one stinking minute... Why is it that as soon as someone demonstrates a sense of humor, even if it is strange, they are suddenly children? I sincerely doubt that the purpose of this thread has been lost as the result of a little playful banter. I'm hardly a child and contrary to your assertion, I do have the capacity to understand the heartache of parting from 2x2ism, whether voluntarily or by force. Lighten up a little. Humor can be therapeutic. Learn to live a little.
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Post by as i c it on Jun 15, 2006 17:25:37 GMT -5
Hello Goose,
It wasn't because you exhibited a sense of humor. It was because of who that sense of humor was directed at. While your focus may have been on the comments posted before you--and your comments added to what they said--the banter started with "clearly"...who (clearly) imo, was taking a swipe at Edgar.
Normally: I like a sense of humor, and enjoy the wit of many on this board. And normally, I'm fairly tolerant of swipes that get taken at another. But unfortunately, I don't find what happened to Edgar etc. any kind of laughing matter. In fact, it deeply saddens me. And as you mentioned heartache associated with your departure, I'm sure you can understand how the last thing you needed was for someone to have found your emotions/situation, "funny". And therefore, wouldn't have appreciated others walking over your feelings--or taking swipes at you.
Since your last posting makes it clear that your comments were simply part of the banter--and not directed at Edgar--I apologize.
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Post by welcome back on Jun 15, 2006 17:31:10 GMT -5
While I've had some horrifying moments in the 2x2s, it by no means ruined my life. I wouldnt call it a cult, although in some areas of the world, the level of strictness is suffocating! Thank goodness its not all like that. Welcome back... Haven't seen you in a while.
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Post by Jessi on Jun 16, 2006 12:26:50 GMT -5
What worked for me was that God had chosen me. My heart was open and at the right moment, I saw that I had been raised in a cult. This knowledge pointed me toward the Scriptures, God's Holy Word. There, the Holy Spirit, who had opened my mind and heart to the TRUTH of His WORD, led me into all truth. Not that I cease to learn, but I have saving faith because Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17).
The thing I tend to forget a lot is that I can't water down the Gospel of Jesus Christ by not saying certain things so I won't offend. It it's true, it's true. They preach another Jesus. He is sovereign over ALL and His Name is above all Names. He will regenerate regardless of whether or not we make mistakes in our witness or despite our little faith.
A group started by one man who believes in some kind of NEW REVELATION apart from the Holy Word of God is not a church but a cult. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck . . . Friends and Workers, it's a duck.
Christ's Forever,
Jessi
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Post by Explain please on Jun 16, 2006 14:21:37 GMT -5
While I've had some horrifying moments in the 2x2s, it by no means ruined my life. I wouldnt call it a cult, although in some areas of the world, the level of strictness is suffocating! Thank goodness its not all like that. The use of words is interesting. You say you have had "horrifying moments". I find it difficult to even imagine what could happen in relation to any 2x2 related activity that would be horrifying. Were you in danger of dying? Were you tortured? What was the source of the horror? This is not meant to make fun: just wondering what you experienced that would even cause you to use that word. As far as the cult word - I believe most use it for one of a couple of reasons: 1) I think the first and foremost it is used for its shock value. 2) It is used as an excuse as to why people didn't leave sooner than they did. "Oh. I was in a cult and couldn't leave. I was trapped". As the saying goes "No one held a gun to your head". And if they did and you didn't go to the authorities well, shame on you. There are way too many people not willing to take any responsibility for their lives and ever so willing to place the blame anywhere else. The 2x2s are a group just like any other group. They have their good points and their bad points. They have no more power over people than the power people give them. If you let the workers run (ruin) your life then you really have no one to blame but yourself.
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