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Post by guest natalie on Jun 14, 2006 2:14:50 GMT -5
To SJG - You can't make such huge generalisations as that! I know many workers that agree with me. I even have family that are in the work, and they have the same point of view as me. I'm sure there are many workers that would disagree with me, but in the end, who cares?? It's what God believes that matters.
I know many friends that agree with me also. And, for your information, I put that very question to the workers in our field when they came to stay with my husband and I earlier this year, and was pleased that they agreed. However, I do know of another worker that would not agree.
But how is this different from any other church? Every church has issues like this, over what people believe.
Some people believe that if you are a Christian, and belong to my church, that you are not a child of God's, and are merely in a cult, who apparently worship workers. So, what about them? Are they wrong about us? I know what I think on that matter, but what about you.
You don't have to attend any church to be a child of God's. It is not just my church that had discrepancies in beliefs, but other's as well.
Please don't think that this is a personal attack on you, in any way. I just have issues with what you are saying, as you obviously do with me too.
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Post by mrtindrucvionging on Jun 14, 2006 10:15:51 GMT -5
To SJG - You can't make such huge generalisations as that! I know many workers that agree with me. I even have family that are in the work, and they have the same point of view as me. I'm sure there are many workers that would disagree with me, but in the end, who cares?? It's what God believes that matters. I know many friends that agree with me also. And, for your information, I put that very question to the workers in our field when they came to stay with my husband and I earlier this year, and was pleased that they agreed. However, I do know of another worker that would not agree. But how is this different from any other church? Every church has issues like this, over what people believe. Some people believe that if you are a Christian, and belong to my church, that you are not a child of God's, and are merely in a cult, who apparently worship workers. So, what about them? Are they wrong about us? I know what I think on that matter, but what about you. You don't have to attend any church to be a child of God's. It is not just my church that had discrepancies in beliefs, but other's as well. Please don't think that this is a personal attack on you, in any way. I just have issues with what you are saying, as you obviously do with me too. Even I might agree with you!
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Post by ilylo on Jun 14, 2006 10:20:28 GMT -5
The "workers" are merely like other ministers, from other churches, preaching the word of God. It must be challenging to adhere to a ministry which does not hold this view of itself (ie, Alberta).
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 14, 2006 13:10:45 GMT -5
To SJG - You can't make such huge generalisations as that! I know many workers that agree with me. I even have family that are in the work, and they have the same point of view as me. I'm sure there are many workers that would disagree with me, but in the end, who cares?? It's what God believes that matters. I know many friends that agree with me also. And, for your information, I put that very question to the workers in our field when they came to stay with my husband and I earlier this year, and was pleased that they agreed. However, I do know of another worker that would not agree. But how is this different from any other church? Every church has issues like this, over what people believe. Some people believe that if you are a Christian, and belong to my church, that you are not a child of God's, and are merely in a cult, who apparently worship workers. So, what about them? Are they wrong about us? I know what I think on that matter, but what about you. You don't have to attend any church to be a child of God's. It is not just my church that had discrepancies in beliefs, but other's as well. Please don't think that this is a personal attack on you, in any way. I just have issues with what you are saying, as you obviously do with me too. natalie, There are exceptions to every rule... and I'm sure you have read or heard or talked to someone who does not beleive such things... However, many of us have spend most of our lives in the fellowship and speak from first hand knowledge... we are not outsiders who only attended a few of the meetings.. That being said, I would ask that you go to the friends and the workers in your areay and prove your point by asking them very specific questions about the topic at hand. Here are four questions to start off with... 1. Do you believe it’s possible for someone to be doing the will of God, serving God to their fullest, and be approved by God if they once professed, but quit the meetings and now attend a different Christian church? 2. Are there any preachers or pastors in the world, outside of the workers ministry, who are preaching and upholding the true Gospel of Jesus Christ? 3. Do you believe someone can continue to serve God to their fullest and truly worship him as you and I do if they come into contact with the workers, but decline to be a part of the fellowship or reject the 2x2 ministry for whatever reason? 4. If someone is truly seeking God with an honest and open heart, is it possible they will be lead to anywhere else besides the 2x2 fellowship? People have been asked to leave the fellowship for believing yes to some of these questions... So it would be intresting to know if those in your area would say yes as well...
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Post by Dogsruleall on Jun 19, 2006 6:30:10 GMT -5
To once a friendly - what's with all the negativity??? And certain is spelt certain not certian. I once went to this church, but even I'm not as bitter and twisted as you are.
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Post by Lets on Jun 19, 2006 11:09:03 GMT -5
To SJG - You can't make such huge generalisations as that! I know many workers that agree with me. I even have family that are in the work, and they have the same point of view as me. I'm sure there are many workers that would disagree with me, but in the end, who cares?? It's what God believes that matters. I know many friends that agree with me also. And, for your information, I put that very question to the workers in our field when they came to stay with my husband and I earlier this year, and was pleased that they agreed. However, I do know of another worker that would not agree. But how is this different from any other church? Every church has issues like this, over what people believe. Some people believe that if you are a Christian, and belong to my church, that you are not a child of God's, and are merely in a cult, who apparently worship workers. So, what about them? Are they wrong about us? I know what I think on that matter, but what about you. You don't have to attend any church to be a child of God's. It is not just my church that had discrepancies in beliefs, but other's as well. Please don't think that this is a personal attack on you, in any way. I just have issues with what you are saying, as you obviously do with me too. natalie, There are exceptions to every rule... and I'm sure you have read or heard or talked to someone who does not beleive such things... However, many of us have spend most of our lives in the fellowship and speak from first hand knowledge... we are not outsiders who only attended a few of the meetings.. That being said, I would ask that you go to the friends and the workers in your areay and prove your point by asking them very specific questions about the topic at hand. Here are four questions to start off with... 1. Do you believe it’s possible for someone to be doing the will of God, serving God to their fullest, and be approved by God if they once professed, but quit the meetings and now attend a different Christian church? 2. Are there any preachers or pastors in the world, outside of the workers ministry, who are preaching and upholding the true Gospel of Jesus Christ? 3. Do you believe someone can continue to serve God to their fullest and truly worship him as you and I do if they come into contact with the workers, but decline to be a part of the fellowship or reject the 2x2 ministry for whatever reason? 4. If someone is truly seeking God with an honest and open heart, is it possible they will be lead to anywhere else besides the 2x2 fellowship? People have been asked to leave the fellowship for believing yes to some of these questions... So it would be intresting to know if those in your area would say yes as well... Let us simplify this. Go ask the workers this: 1. Do you believe people can have salvation in other fellowship denominations? 2. Do you teach God Incarnate?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2006 11:11:40 GMT -5
why?
what's your point?
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Post by about on Jun 19, 2006 11:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 11:38:48 GMT -5
guest natalie,
From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God...
Who are those workers?
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:25:46 GMT -5
guest natalie, From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God... Who are those workers? Don't ask for specfic names if you aren't specifically identifiable yourself..
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Post by redman on Jun 19, 2006 13:28:38 GMT -5
guest natalie, From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God... Who are those workers? Don't ask for specfic names if you aren't specifically identifiable yourself.. It doesn't work that way teenager. She made a claim, and Ilylo is asking for her to back up her claim.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 13:38:18 GMT -5
Don't ask for specfic names if you aren't specifically identifiable yourself.. teenager, as an anonymous participant here, you do not stand on moral high ground from which to chastise others for being anonymous. She made a claim, I'm merely asking that the claim be substantiated.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:40:18 GMT -5
Don't ask for specfic names if you aren't specifically identifiable yourself.. teenager, as an anonymous participant here, you do not stand on moral high ground from which to chastise others for being anonymous. She made a claim, I'm merely asking that the claim be substantiated. Exactly. Then I have no right to ask for names, nor do I intend to start. Sacrifice you anonymity, if you want her to do the same regarding the name of these workers. You edited your post a bit late!
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 13:44:05 GMT -5
I understand that you prefer that the 2x2 system be protected at all costs, including deflecting attention away from unsubstantiated claims about the 2x2 church.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 13:47:50 GMT -5
guest natalie,
From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God...
Who are those workers?
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:49:38 GMT -5
I understand that you prefer that the 2x2 system be protected at all costs, including deflecting attention away from unsubstantiated claims about the 2x2 church. I understand that you prefer that the 2x2 system be protected attacked at all costs, including deflecting drawing attention away from to unsubstantiated claims about the 2x2 church.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:50:14 GMT -5
guest natalie, From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God... Who are those workers? Now we have someone who is "qualified" to ask.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 13:57:09 GMT -5
guest natalie, From reply #56, regarding your claim that there are workers that believe that a person who is not "professing" is still a child of God... Who are those workers? Now we have someone who is "qualified" to ask. As if who is asking really mattered...
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:58:26 GMT -5
Now we have someone who is "qualified" to ask. As if who is asking really mattered... typical..
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 14:02:19 GMT -5
Yes, I attack 2x2ism. It needs to be dissected and opened to truth and honesty. You apparently prefer it remain hid in the dark.
What is "typical"? That we expect that claims be substantiated? I agree. Such an expectation is very typical, and we certainly won't alter it.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 14:08:13 GMT -5
Yes, I attack 2x2ism. It needs to be dissected and opened to truth and honesty. You apparently prefer it remain hid in the dark. What is "typical"? That we expect that claims be substantiated? I agree. Such an expectation is very typical, and we certainly won't alter it. No, Bryans reply.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 14:12:11 GMT -5
As if who is asking really mattered... typical.. I agree that my comment was typical, because what mattered was not WHO asked the question, but the question itself. You wanted to split hairs by shoving ilylo's question back in his face, but yet you had NO problem with me asking the exact same question. It seems you care more about who is asking the question intead of the question itself. This reminds us of who? Oh yes... nathan...
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 14:16:52 GMT -5
It seems you care more about who is asking the question intead of the question itself. This reminds us of who? Oh yes... nathan... ditto. I'm getting deja vu.
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Post by guest natalie on Jul 2, 2006 0:05:32 GMT -5
I will not name the worker without their permission. That is not how I operate. Why you need the name does puzzleme. I don't care whether you believe me or not.
Secondly, I have a question for those posting on here. What religion, if any are you? Because it seems to me that you spend a lot of time tearing apart my religion, but I don't do that to you. It doesn't bother me what religion you are, or what you believe, so why do you care what I believe. I just don't understand the fixation with my church. You warn people to be careful, and the if you "join" you will regret it etc.....well, I what do you care? What is the big deal? I don't believe in the buddist, hindu, catholic, scientology religions etc, but I don't feel the need to spout forth to the whole world.
And to TEENAGER: Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by MsMarie on Jul 2, 2006 1:40:26 GMT -5
Ellen, all this must be rather confusing but I think you only have to be aware that dependending on where you are, not just within the world, but within a country, the application of rules and pressure will vary and in fact I do agree with your comment that sometimes it is hard to recognise that we are talking about the same group because of these variances.
This is because there are no written and agreed doctrines such as nearly all other churches have, and it is very much left to the individual workers interpretation. If you are lucky you get an easy going worker, if not, then life can be very miserable as you confuse their pressures with your own conscience.
There has been some very good advice given to you in this thread (ignore the sillies) and you would do well to err on the side of caution. Do ask some of the questions advised, as most of us here would be very interested to hear the answers you get. Importantly, do they write off all the rest of Christianity as unsaved? More specifically, do they condemn you if you decide not to profess? I was told that once I had heard and recognised "the Truth" then if I rejected it I was hell bound for sure. From that, I deduced I would have been better off if I had never heard it at all!
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Post by _ on Jul 2, 2006 1:56:49 GMT -5
Then why mention such things if you are unable to backup your words based upon how you operate. People say wild things about workers on here, and all of it is meaningless without the willingness to back up their words with evidence… Evangelical Christian… If your religion is exclusive and legalistic doctrines that are often found in the Friends and Workers fellowship then yes… I to tear apart your religion, for those are the only things I care to tear apart… Fixation? I hope to help those who may be in the same position I was in a few years ago… If that is perceived by others as a fixation then so be it… The big deal is that the majority of Friends and Workers uphold and promote false teachings… That to me is a big deal… We are to evangelize to the world… and what not a better place then to do such a thing then were we came from… the friends and workers fellowship…
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Post by IQ on Jul 2, 2006 10:44:24 GMT -5
I understand that you prefer that the 2x2 system be protected at all costs, including deflecting attention away from unsubstantiated claims about the 2x2 church. Who are you?
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Post by IQ on Jul 2, 2006 10:46:09 GMT -5
Now we have someone who is "qualified" to ask. As if who is asking really mattered... In this case, it doesnt, ilylo and you are two nutcases in the same shell!!
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