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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 23:04:37 GMT -5
Y'all have me thinking of pulling out the old Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar, Loverboy....playing a little "sweet home alabama" and "freebird"......a little Fleetwood Mac.... Ahh....memories! Doobies- the group, Kansas, older Chicago, really old Genesis (Peter Gabriel), Van Morrison- am I really this old? Or am I really this cool? (Like the rest of you...) Karl
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Post by ilylo on May 26, 2006 23:18:21 GMT -5
prue,
Please check your PM and answer the question that was asked of you.
Giving a reply does not necessary answer the question, in case you were wondering why your previous replies were insufficient.
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Post by prue on May 26, 2006 23:32:17 GMT -5
To Sojourner You wrote "The Da Vinci Code is written in the same style as "Digital Fortress" and "Angels and Demons". I'm not going to build, tear down or reconstruct my theology based on a fictional book. It's fiction. It's fiction folks!
It seriously is more than fiction. The book is a social phenomena - its success comes at a time of the de-historizing of our biblical tradition, and a sharp social aversion to all things scriptural. Yes, it is based upon old ideas, but in the past those ideas were rejected. And, in the refusal of its distributors to put any disclaimer on the film, though costing them nothing, demonstrates that these people enjoy the impact it is having on our notions of Christianity. Sojourner, nothing is in a vacuum. We see this in Australia. Someone pokes fun at Christianity and everyone laughs. It is only fun, just harmless humor. But if someone slammed aboriginal or Islamic religious thought it becomes a heresy and heads fall. So, nothing is fun or harmless - everything has consequences, everything has meaning. I recall in England just two people complained about John Cleese's send up of Christ in Life Of Brian. Millions laughed to those words, "he is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty boy." Imagine, the land of the bible, and just two complained. That was an England where the English Bobby was armed only with a smile, as the saying went. That country is a far harder, meaner and dangerous place now because it has a lot less time for Messiahs and the bible. One more thing about the world you live in Sojourner. You will continue to see new social phenomenas during your lifetime - and all of them will be negative. And many of the celebrities today who push moral boundaries will one day look back and talk about how things were more civilized in their time, without any idea of the part they played in creating that new world.
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Post by his on May 27, 2006 3:11:47 GMT -5
To "to Prue" You asked "Prue, what relation are you to Alan" I am not related. his sister in Christ ;D
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Post by touch on May 27, 2006 3:19:27 GMT -5
2 Corinthians 6:17 - Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
what is the inclean thing? is not the unclean thing of the gods of this world? God took away from me the need for music and anything that does not praise Him? if of this world is not to the praise of God, it will be to the praise of the gods of this world.
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Post by what is next on May 27, 2006 3:32:48 GMT -5
What questions come next?
You bitter, unwilling, lovelss, faithless, apostate exes, do you now worship your father Satan? Do you lust after other people now and maybe have affairs? Do you steal time and supplies and money from your employer? Do you use the Lord's name in vain and maybe even curse the Lord? Do you spiritually, physically, and sexually abuse your family members?
Oh wait, since you were "grace" believers, you probably did that even when you were in the truth.
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Post by BC on May 27, 2006 4:02:31 GMT -5
Y'all have me thinking of pulling out the old Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar, Loverboy....playing a little "sweet home alabama" and "freebird"......a little Fleetwood Mac.... Ahh....memories! Happy, What do you mean memories, I play these groups all the time, I broke my music teeth on Pat Benatar, Areo speedwagon, Queen, Fleetwood Mack, etc etc. These musicians have stood the test of time. A lot of the "new age" or "modern" musicians seem to only last for one or two albums and then fade away. Must be something to do with the commercialized disposable society we live in. [shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
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Post by BC on May 27, 2006 4:17:05 GMT -5
Zorro,
My musical taste is slowly "maturing"
I now really enjoy 'Pop Opera' and 'Contemporary Jazz' also haven't any real favorites as yet as I'm 'exploring the field' at present.
Like you I feel in the pop scene, commercialism has killed creativity, and we are seeing a bunch of machine stamped sugar coated candy singers who are borrowing the greatness of bygone artists rather than making their own impressions and writing their own material and finding their own personality to produce a trademark voice.
There are a couple of up and coming greats but on the whole the music industry needs a clean out.
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
Man it's easy being an armchair critic when you don't have an ounce of musical creativity yourself. he he.
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Post by Happy unplugged on May 27, 2006 8:27:53 GMT -5
Y'all have me thinking of pulling out the old Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar, Loverboy....playing a little "sweet home alabama" and "freebird"......a little Fleetwood Mac.... Ahh....memories! Doobies- the group, Kansas, older Chicago, really old Genesis (Peter Gabriel), Van Morrison- am I really this old? Or am I really this cool? (Like the rest of you...) Karl COOL....not OLD...COOL... ;D
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Post by Studylearning unplugged on May 27, 2006 9:51:46 GMT -5
I am an old timer. I still like Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zep; and such. Get me up and going. ;D
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Post by sojourner not loggedin on May 27, 2006 19:11:24 GMT -5
"One more thing about the world you live in Sojourner. You will continue to see new social phenomenas during your lifetime - and all of them will be negative. And many of the celebrities today who push moral boundaries will one day look back and talk about how things were more civilized in their time, without any idea of the part they played in creating that new world." Prue.........I'm old. My first car was a 1950 something pushbutton transmission American Motor/Rambler-PINK....... I grew up "in the world". I was touring Europe when Nixon resigned......I watched on tv the footage of JFK (US president) being shot, I've seen men walk on the moon.......I am of the generation that pushed moral boundaries-and lived through it. Flower power, peace man.......hippie......I choose to serve the living God. I choose to stand on this little spot on this earth and live for God. I choose to not be cowed/wowed by Madonna or Dan Brown.......the celebrities are nothing to me. Grandma was born in 1898. She remembered her relatives who fought in the Civil War. She remembers nursing people through the flu of 1918. She remembered seeing her first auto. She remembers life with no electricity, gas, farming by horses, handmade clothing.......she had surgery on her eye, traveled by plane numerous times. She had a knee replacement-astounding to her. But she took it in stride. The "new social phenomenas" were nothing to her-she found God, she vowed to be true and she died knowing God's comfort. When the time comes that God makes changes-it won't matter one bit what Madonna or Dan Brown did. What will matter is what one did in their relationship with God. I have utmost confidence that God is in control. He will work the works he plans. Your word choice of all "new social phenomenas during your lifetime - and all of them will be negative." No, not all are negative. Some, for sure. Not all. And all these high falutin music people-NOTHING beats Johnny Cash, Dolly Parton and Willie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Nelson, not Irvine) One last, way to get myself shot..........we homeschool our children, in our 10th year. I'm WELL aware of eroding biblical values. There is no doubt in my mind that our society is edging more and more towards ? but I have confidence in God. He is in control, he is my sovereign God and I do not worry. Kathy G.
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Post by hey pru on May 27, 2006 20:44:42 GMT -5
How come you are logged in at 11.40 am Sunday morning (NSW time) if you go to meetings???
WHO ARE YOU!!!!
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Post by prue on May 27, 2006 21:03:48 GMT -5
To Hey Pru. Unfortunately, I have to work today. But not always. Won't be long and Sundays will be no different than any other day.
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Post by Hey Prue on May 27, 2006 21:09:47 GMT -5
So yesterday, today, forever is just a fable!!!
how come you are at work, wasting your employers time on this site. Hardly fair to your boss.
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Post by bluejay on May 27, 2006 21:11:18 GMT -5
Well, this will cement my reputation as an evil apostate VOT on a one way ticket to hell. ;D I love this....the winning entry to this year's Eurovision 2006 song competition (the contest which launched ABBA and Celine Dion !!shudder!!) www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFw1cI2XjU&search=lordiThat was GREAT Rob ! Brought a smile to my face. Here's another link that I just received today via email. It should have a little something we all can identify with. ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg&eurl;
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Post by prue on May 27, 2006 21:17:08 GMT -5
To Hey Prue. Nah - its not my bosses time. Regards Sunday. It used to be the start of the week. Now increasingly it is the end of the week. And, as reflected with industry practices, overtime penalties etc, will soon lose its connection to religious observances.
But the "fable" bit - no, there will always be a Sabbath to those who need a Sabbath. Got to go.
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Post by Hey prue on May 27, 2006 21:28:42 GMT -5
Not really for me to judge, but if it ain't your bosses time, then use Sunday more profitably. This is not the place for Sunday mornings for "professing" folk.
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Post by Hey Prue on May 27, 2006 21:53:41 GMT -5
Nathan, I have, in the past, given you some credit.
Dont wear a sign saying you are a dill.
Your dont have to stick up for Prue because you think she is "professing."
I dont care what Christian religion you are, there are more profitable things to be doing on a Sunday morning.
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Post by whats on May 27, 2006 23:04:06 GMT -5
How come you are logged in at 11.40 am Sunday morning (NSW time) if you go to meetings??? WHO ARE YOU!!!! what's it to you
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Post by are on May 27, 2006 23:05:14 GMT -5
So yesterday, today, forever is just a fable!!! how come you are at work, wasting your employers time on this site. Hardly fair to your boss. are you some kind of a defective
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Post by but on May 27, 2006 23:05:51 GMT -5
Not really for me to judge, but if it ain't your bosses time, then use Sunday more profitably. This is not the place for Sunday mornings for "professing" folk.
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Post by but on May 27, 2006 23:06:17 GMT -5
Not really for me to judge, but if it ain't your bosses time, then use Sunday more profitably. This is not the place for Sunday mornings for "professing" folk. but you are
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Post by Greg lee unplugged on May 27, 2006 23:06:38 GMT -5
Nathan, I have, in the past, given you some credit. Dont wear a sign saying you are a dill. Your dont have to stick up for Prue because you think she is "professing." I dont care what Christian religion you are, there are more profitable things to be doing on a Sunday morning. People can do whatever they believe is appropriate and right for them wouldn't you say? Wow. Sounds like that verse that says and everyone did that which was right in their own eyes. An odd exhortation coming from you, Nathan. Then again, maybe not.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2006 23:08:12 GMT -5
Nathan, I have, in the past, given you some credit. Dont wear a sign saying you are a dill. Your dont have to stick up for Prue because you think she is "professing." I dont care what Christian religion you are, there are more profitable things to be doing on a Sunday morning. why aren't you doing those things you are saying others should be doing hypocrite
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Post by ilylo on May 28, 2006 0:18:42 GMT -5
I dont care what Christian religion you are, there are more profitable things to be doing on a Sunday morning. Gosh, we almost imagined that you would be doing them yourself! Our mistake, naturally.
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Post by prue on May 28, 2006 1:33:24 GMT -5
Hi Kathy G. You quoted me, "new social phenomenas during your lifetime - and all of them will be negative." And your response was, "No, not all are negative. Some, for sure. Not all."
There are some good things in the world that appear to be new, for instance, global largess through NGO's and charities like LiveAid. But these sorts of things have always been with us in one form or another. I am referring to thing genuinely new, never seen before. Purely social - not political, not technological.
An example - some talk of American youth as belonging to the "first post-religious generation" That is not strictly true... but, it points to a growing truth. No generation in history, to my knowledge, has been non-religious. Another example which leave us older folk amazed are things like child divorce and same-sex marriage.
Some are old, but new in the sense they have reached epic proportions and crossed into mainstream, such as pornography, drugs, divorce, child abuse, serial marriage, etc.. All these negative social indicators started going through the roof in the 1960's. And to them was added a new category - female serial killings.
Things are moving quickly here. I recall just a few years ago American conservative were saying that same-sex marriage was as alien to them as polygamy is to the liberal left. But now, even polygamy is starting to be talked about openly. And pederastery (sex with pubesecent children - as opposed to pedophilia) may soon be up for discussion.
A question - there is a passage in Genesis where the men of Sodom surround the house of Lot and demand he bring out his visitors so they could "know them." Given the rapid pace of moral changes in our society, do you think we will end up like that?
Yes, God is in control of the world, but he is not in control of people who disobey him.
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Post by lacpastorunplugged on May 28, 2006 6:20:04 GMT -5
Prue stated: Yes, God is in control of the world, but he is not in control of people who disobey him.
That is completely unbiblical. All throughtout the prophets, in the book of Ecclisiastes, the letter to the Romans, and sprinkled throughout the New Testament is the idea that God is not only aware of evil persons, but uses them to ultimately glorify Himself.
Jesus is Lord of All, whether they acknowledge that fact or not.
Karl
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Post by prue on May 28, 2006 7:43:35 GMT -5
To lacpastor Hi. You said that God uses disobedient people to His own end. That is scriptural, and usually to destroy those same people or their nation (for instance.) But that is not the sense I meant.
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