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Post by exxx on May 26, 2006 12:39:42 GMT -5
To P,
Exes and their culture? The only thing we have in common is that we use to go to your church. There is no exes culture.
What I find offending is that you have to ask such questions as if we are some weird people who've lost their minds.
We are NORMAL people just like everyone else.
And most of us are followers of Jesus Christ!
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Post by Loving the neighbors on May 26, 2006 12:53:57 GMT -5
I didnt say I didnt like Madonna. She and her brothers and sisters were all playmates of ours. She was what you would call a "show off" and still is. Some things are just what they are. Has nothing to do with "love thy neighbor". By the way, an elder once spoke in our meeting that "love thy neighbor" doesn't mean anyone OUTSIDE the "truth" - believe it or not.
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Post by mrleo unplugged on May 26, 2006 12:59:02 GMT -5
Okay--I do very passionately disagree with you...but only about Whitney's dancing! She has never been known for her dancing...if anything, she was pretty harshly criticized for her inability in that area. Janet Jackson, on the other hand, has very little in the way of voice, but can definitely dance. Madonna has a passable voice, is an incredible dancer, has a powerful stage presence, but most of all has always had a unique artistic vision for what she produces and knows how to market it (whether you like what she produces is, as you said, subjective). That's why I would say no one ever has or ever could truly imitate her except perhaps in terms of ambition...or as a drag queen. A lot of people have a better voice, a very few people are better dancers, some have an equally strong stage presence...but no one else has the total package. And let's face it, female performers of her genre generally have a very limited shelf-life. She's been consistently doing her thing for over 20 years. Her performances on this tour will sell out within minutes, all over the world. If that's a sidebar, Christina and Britney should be half so lucky 20 years from now.
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Post by Zorro on May 26, 2006 13:18:01 GMT -5
You're right and I will correct myself about Whitney's dancing...what I meant was more the ensemble hip-hop thing, which is still the dominant stage act these days. I'm not saying Whitney invented it (I guess I would be interested to know who really started that) but along with Madonna, Janet Jackson (and her brother) and others it certainly has been established as a staple that doesn't appear to be going away. As far as vocal styling I really do think you can hear her everywhere (most recently Katherine McPhee). That's not to say there are no other influences we hear. I just heard a Michael MacDonald song and realized that Ray Charles' influence on male pop vocals is huge also, in addition to Stevie Wonder. Same goes for female vocalists. If you asked Whitney herself, she'd probably say Aretha Franklin. I totally agree with you about longevity. Christina and Britney will have lots of company That's not a knock, it's just what seperates really good from great. Makes me wonder what the scene would look like with a Whitney Houston at the top of her game.
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Post by Zorro on May 26, 2006 13:21:48 GMT -5
Her performances on this tour will sell out within minutes, all over the world. That's probably true. How much do think her consistent (fill in the blank with your own preferred word publicity stunts have to do with this? How do you feel about that?
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Post by mrleo unplugged on May 26, 2006 13:30:22 GMT -5
Yeah...the Whitney situation breaks my heart, and not just because of the singing. She was really beginning to gain some respect as an actress (and well-deserved, IMO) before this downhill slide began.
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Post by mrleo unplugged on May 26, 2006 13:40:38 GMT -5
Well, again, I don't think of them as publicity stunts, per se. I mean, she knows how to push peoples' buttons and I think she enjoys doing so, but her concerts were already going to sell out before anyone knew precisely how she was going to shock them.
And actually, I was wrong in my original comment about the role of the cross in this tour. This is her side of the story: Madonna performed the ballad Live To Tell while suspended from a giant mirrored cross on Sunday's opening night.
Images of poverty in the developing world were shown on video screens, while numbers ticked away to represent the 12 million African children orphaned by Aids.
"Jesus taught that we should love thy neighbour," Madonna told the newspaper.
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Post by sojourner not loggedin on May 26, 2006 13:58:18 GMT -5
"Hi from Prue. We read a lot on this board about the lives and beliefs of so-called 2x2's. I am curious to know something about exe's and the world they live in.
Two religious related issues dominate our news at the moment. The first is the Da Vinci Code, and the second is Madonna and her crucifix show.
Have any of you exe's seen these shows? Did they offend you?"
I'm sorry, I don't understand why my world is any different from the "professing" people that live several blocks from here. We go to the same grocery stores. We go to the same post office. We drive on the same roads. We both shop at KMart and GoodWill. They have had TV always, we got ours in Aug. last year. I've read 3 of Dan Brown's books. The Da Vinci Code is written in the same style as "Digital Fortress" and "Angels and Demons". I'm not going to build, tear down or reconstruct my theology based on a fictional book. It's fiction. It's fiction folks!
Madonna? I'm completely unfamiliar with Madonna. Ask the professing people across town-they've had tv a lot longer.
Kathy G.
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Post by Lynnette on May 26, 2006 14:14:05 GMT -5
You seem to show some antagonism towards these 2x2s that you have left "Sojourner". Why?
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Post by To Lynnette on May 26, 2006 14:20:57 GMT -5
You seem to show some antagonism towards these 2x2s that you have left "Sojourner". Why? I think he's just asking why ex's and professing folks are any different than anyone else. What exactly about his post do you find antagonistic, Lynnette?
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Post by Lynette on May 26, 2006 14:35:06 GMT -5
Tyhe following are examples
"Ask the professing people across town-they've had tv a lot longer. "
"They have had TV always, we got ours in Aug. last year. "
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Post by firstborn on May 26, 2006 16:12:54 GMT -5
I didnt say I didnt like Madonna. She and her brothers and sisters were all playmates of ours. She was what you would call a "show off" and still is. Some things are just what they are. Has nothing to do with "love thy neighbor". By the way, an elder once spoke in our meeting that "love thy neighbor" doesn't mean anyone OUTSIDE the "truth" - believe it or not. I was kidding, in all seriousness I know many people that have that era about them and many of the them have been very successfully in their life, it seems that the world in general embraces such pompness, I don't think it is a Christ like trait personally, the lord wants us confident, not kocky, there's a difference.. [ Sorry,it wouldn't let me print the c word]
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Post by Gene on May 26, 2006 19:34:33 GMT -5
There are several voices I think are great, but I blame the lack of personal creativity on the corporate music machine. Same is true in my preferred genre, contemporary jazz. The only way to hear what the musicians actually are trying to do is to hear them live.
Zorro, I have a good friend who loves the music of Pat Metheny, especially in concert. Do you know of him, and is his music contemporary jazz, and would he be on your top 10 or 20 list?
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Post by Zorro on May 26, 2006 20:20:21 GMT -5
Gene, I have Pat Metheny's We Live Here as well as his video of the group live and they are incredible. Lyle Mays, his piano man, is awesome in his own right. That said, they are an acquired taste and honestly a little bit goes a long way for me....so every now and so often I pull it all out and listen for a few days, savor and put it away. I would never argue with someone that felt Pat M was one of the very best, and I feel my occasional indulgence in his music broadens my musical horizons in a good way. However, he's not at the heart of where I'm at....I like it a little funkier. Scott Wilke, Ricky Peterson, Phillipe Saisse, and Brian Culbertson are my favorite keyboard players, but really I like sax best....Jeff Kashiwa, Gerald Albright, Kirk Whalum, Steve Cole, the late great Art Porter, David Sanborn, Ed Calle....favorite guitarists are Paul Jackson Jr ( the most heavily demanded studio guitarist in the business, he was the monster playing all the guitar in American Idol FWIW), Larry Carlton, Russ Freeman, Thom Rotella...Believe it or not, even though most folks have heard of few, if any of these musicians, I'd bet anybody that listens to much music at all has heard probably half of them without knowing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 20:31:54 GMT -5
I love the Rippingtons and Yellowjackets- they put on a great show...
Karl
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Post by Zorro on May 26, 2006 21:22:03 GMT -5
I love the Rippingtons and Yellowjackets- they put on a great show...
That's what I'm talkin about! I've seen Russ Freeman and the Rippingtons 3 times - each time with Jeff Kashiwa on sax. Wow. When did you last see them Karl? Maybe we could catch them going through the Midwest some time, if you're interested. Caught the Yellowjackets in Iowa City last year, maybe the year before.
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Post by Rob O on May 26, 2006 21:26:47 GMT -5
Well, this will cement my reputation as an evil apostate VOT on a one way ticket to hell. ;D I love this....the winning entry to this year's Eurovision 2006 song competition (the contest which launched ABBA and Celine Dion !!shudder!!) www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFw1cI2XjU&search=lordi
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Post by mrleo on May 26, 2006 21:29:13 GMT -5
No one should ever shudder about ABBA...Celine, maybe.
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Post by Rob O on May 26, 2006 21:32:04 GMT -5
hehe...that's what I meant
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Post by junia on May 26, 2006 22:30:34 GMT -5
Now THAT'S music Rob! lol That was pretty cool. I'd never heard of them before. That type of music takes me back to my youth...
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Post by Rob O on May 26, 2006 22:31:06 GMT -5
You old man you!
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Post by ilylo on May 26, 2006 22:31:14 GMT -5
That was a long time ago...
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Post by junia on May 26, 2006 22:38:54 GMT -5
Suddenly I have this urge to dust off some old Black Sabbath, Judas Priest or Rainbow LPs.
I was such a rebel... ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 22:39:23 GMT -5
Well, this will cement my reputation as an evil apostate VOT on a one way ticket to hell. ;D I love this....the winning entry to this year's Eurovision 2006 song competition (the contest which launched ABBA and Celine Dion !!shudder!!) www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFw1cI2XjU&search=lordiWe used to watch this on German TV when I was stationed over there. It was a great show! We still check in on it on the net. Lordi- it takes all kinds... Karl
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Post by Rob O on May 26, 2006 22:42:30 GMT -5
LOL Junia.....surely we were separated at birth!!! Karl, or as the news headlines were exclaiming "Good Lordi".
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Post by prue on May 26, 2006 22:56:05 GMT -5
To "to Prue" You asked "Prue, what relation are you to Alan" I am not related.
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Post by happy on May 26, 2006 22:58:17 GMT -5
Y'all have me thinking of pulling out the old Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar, Loverboy....playing a little "sweet home alabama" and "freebird"......a little Fleetwood Mac....
Ahh....memories!
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Post by prue on May 26, 2006 23:03:06 GMT -5
To "as I see things" You wrote "The King James Bible was written by who? (I am not talking about God) I believe it was put together by a "false" (per the 2x2 workers) church right? So who is leading who?
I have no idea if there were any 2x2's in 1611, at least in England.
Translations can be contentious - there being good and bad. The KJ has its detractors, it took 40 years to be accepted. This bible replaced two bibles, the "high" Bishops and "low" People's bible. BUT, the main thrust of Jesus' life, and what he expects of us, can be gleaned from most translations.
Is there any part of the translation you are not happy with?
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