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Post by rk0atheist on Feb 16, 2024 13:51:35 GMT -5
Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?” He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
It sounds like this Jesus had the education of an illiterate goat-herder. Please wash your hands before eating.www.cdc.gov/hygiene/personal-hygiene/hands.html - Before, during, and after preparing food - Before and after eating food - Before and after caring for someone at home who is sick with vomiting or diarrhea - Before and after treating a cut or wound
- After using the toilet - After changing diapers or cleaning up a child who has used the toilet - After blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing - After touching an animal, animal feed, or animal waste - After handling pet food or pet treats - After touching garbage
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Post by Annan on Feb 16, 2024 15:39:56 GMT -5
Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? It went over their heads! So, I speak about things they feel comfortable with in meetings. I tell some in private and they listen. I gave them my site to read at their own leisure. ROatheist started my own message board where I post the information from ABC to XYZ for all to see it’s science facts not science fiction. Not when you can't prove it. Hearsay.
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2024 18:00:07 GMT -5
Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?” He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
It sounds like this Jesus had the education of an illiterate goat-herder. Please wash your hands before eating.www.cdc.gov/hygiene/personal-hygiene/hands.html - Before, during, and after preparing food - Before and after eating food - Before and after caring for someone at home who is sick with vomiting or diarrhea - Before and after treating a cut or wound
- After using the toilet - After changing diapers or cleaning up a child who has used the toilet - After blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing - After touching an animal, animal feed, or animal waste - After handling pet food or pet treats - After touching garbage
Its obvious he is railing against religious rituals. I doubt they had the above hygiene posters backed by 20 and 21st century science. What a cheap shot. Historical context does confuse many. In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?.
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Post by rk0atheist on Feb 16, 2024 18:35:10 GMT -5
Its obvious he is railing against religious rituals. I doubt they had the above hygiene posters backed by 20 and 21st century science. What a cheap shot. Historical context does confuse many. In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?.
You know what they say, cheaper by the dozen. It can be a good marketing tactic.
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2024 19:06:09 GMT -5
Its obvious he is railing against religious rituals. I doubt they had the above hygiene posters backed by 20 and 21st century science. What a cheap shot. Historical context does confuse many. In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?.
You know what they say, cheaper by the dozen. It can be a good marketing tactic.
You must have accidentally missed my question.
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Post by rk0atheist on Feb 16, 2024 19:16:34 GMT -5
You must have accidentally missed my question. "In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?"I doubt they will think about me at all. I just hope that in another 2000 years there are still people who can read. I hope human civilization doesn't get blasted back to the stone ages by some nut-job between now and then. Since you are such an expert on historical context, what are your thoughts on Marcion of Sinope?
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2024 23:09:06 GMT -5
You must have accidentally missed my question. "In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?"I doubt they will think about me at all. I just hope that in another 2000 years there are still people who can read. I hope human civilization doesn't get blasted back to the stone ages by some nut-job between now and then. Since you are such an expert on historical context, what are your thoughts on Marcion of Sinope?
I think you are confusing things, reading in historical context is a deliberate thought process, it is not an expertise in history. It doesn't take expertise to sit behind the writer or teller of historical events and look forward, it is helpful though to listen or read about the context provided by experts in any given field when reading history, then you could see how calling people illiterate goat-herders on the verses I shared is lacking in critical thought given the advantage of an extra 2000 years of scientific knowledge at hand and the benefit of cultural advancement you have. If you want to know about Marcion you will have to read about him like I would have to.
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Post by Lee on Feb 16, 2024 23:45:07 GMT -5
Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? What is the essence of Christian faith?. What does "proffessing" have to do with understanding the culture underpinning the scriptures?. The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or it's phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... You’ve stood culture and ethnology on its head. Classically we sensed if we knew ourselves better, our differences might be overcome. Then, we suspected we might have been offspring of a common creator. Not so today. Today people suspect culture is a source of tyranny to rebel from. For example, thanks to you and other atheists, today kids “learn” outside of Russia that biology should have no bearing on their gender. We have a covin of teachers, parents, school board trustees, and activists today, who believe we should indoctrinate and practice sexual-spiritual experimentation (abuse) on children.
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Post by Lee on Feb 16, 2024 23:55:49 GMT -5
You have a pact with death. We don’t. Another baseless statement, the problem is like I ask Nathan, if your wrong how will you know..... Its at this point I would ask what do you base this deathless pact you have on?, could you point me to an example, preferably someone you know.....like other statments of say ressurection, you still have provided no basis to the claim. The above statement that infers reward of life for one self for participation in a particular belief system also points to the fundemental flaw of the belief, its the epitome of selfishness......and heaven help anyone who gets in-between the seeker and their goal of self preservation.... Your humility is false. True humility has a locus of love and responsibility. True humility is endowed with soul, a gift from God.
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Post by Lee on Feb 16, 2024 23:59:56 GMT -5
Not true. The hebrew concept of ‘soul’ conveyed possession. Not so fast. Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. He did not HAVE a soul, he WAS a soul. There was no "soul" until he "breathed". This is why in Judaism the soul "does not go to heaven". Jews do not cremate bodies, lest there is nothing left for anything in an afterlife, like a resurrection. Good to know. Pretty easy to find a usage of scripture to support the idea they understood ‘a soul’ referred to sentient life generally and personally.
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Post by Lee on Feb 17, 2024 0:05:17 GMT -5
This idea "go to heaven" also seems to have come from elsewhere?. I asked a practicing Jew if Jews believed in a heaven. The reply was that it was an irrelevant question. The Jews were God's chosen people, but when they (or people in general) die, they are just dead -- period. The one exception being the super faithfully Law abiding Jews may rise when some finally judgement comes for the whole earth -- presumably if their remains were not consumed by cremation. You will find Jews in modern times who will possibly believe in heaven. This is said to be some of the eastern philosophy that the captive Jews picked up before they migrated back to Palestine from Babylon, but it is considered something like a superstition by traditional Jewry. Why not read Jesus himself? You place more faith in pedigrees.
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Post by Lee on Feb 17, 2024 0:08:14 GMT -5
I asked a practicing Jew if Jews believed in a heaven. The reply was that it was an irrelevant question. The Jews were God's chosen people, but when they (or people in general) die, they are just dead -- period. The one exception being the super faithfully Law abiding Jews may rise when some finally judgement comes for the whole earth -- presumably if their remains were not consumed by cremation. You will find Jews in modern times who will possibly believe in heaven. This is said to be some of the eastern philosophy that the captive Jews picked up before they migrated back to Palestine from Babylon, but it is considered something like a superstition by traditional Jewry. Thanks Bob. Is it just me or are people willfully ignorant of the culture the scriptures were predominately set in? It seems to me the idea of Heaven was something that overlapped with earth, as terms like wordly or of this world, heaven and earth ect, are references to culture or particular cultures and not celestial bodies and places/realms above away from or within them. I think Gods chosen people is a loaded term, like any tribe past or present they have to elevate the tribe regardless of its character traits, also the symbolism that's tied up in the idea of the "children of Israel" is quite fascinating to me. It could be the ACTUAL sons of God are special: Romans 8:19 Some think they were the workers. I don’t.
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Post by Lee on Feb 17, 2024 0:11:50 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. Is it just me or are people willfully ignorant of the culture the scriptures were predominately set in? It seems to me the idea of Heaven was something that overlapped with earth, as terms like wordly or of this world, heaven and earth ect, are references to culture or particular cultures and not celestial bodies and places/realms above away from or within them. I think Gods chosen people is a loaded term, like any tribe past or present they have to elevate the tribe regardless of its character traits, also the symbolism that's tied up in the idea of the "children of Israel" is quite fascinating to me. No, it's not just you. Except for scholars, modern Christians project the whole of Christian theology onto the Old Testament -- which means they can preach about such things as speaking to King David when they get to heaven. It is Islam that has maintained the belief in Jewish theology, not the Christian. Even the Pope has made that claim. And you're right -- the symbolism in the OT Jewish literature is really fascinating and far out of the scope of regular Christian thinking, which is really Greek in origin. Not surprising -- the Roman church did not accept the writings of Paul until Augustine came along and turned the whole thing upside down, to the chagrin of the original Jewish believers such as Peter, their "first pope". Thats total gobbledygook from our resident arch-antichrist. Read Jesus and Paul and Peter and Jude and John if you want to know Jesus. Not St. Bob
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Post by Lee on Feb 17, 2024 0:51:06 GMT -5
For off-topic posts from main board. thank you
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:14:06 GMT -5
What is the essence of Christian faith?. What does "proffessing" have to do with understanding the culture underpinning the scriptures?. The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or it's phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... You’ve stood culture and ethnology on its head. Classically we sensed if we knew ourselves better, our differences might be overcome. Then, we suspected we might have been offspring of a common creator. Not so today. Today people suspect culture is a source of tyranny to rebel from. For example, thanks to you and other atheists, today kids “learn” outside of Russia that biology should have no bearing on their gender. We have a covin of teachers, parents, school board trustees, and activists today, who believe we should indoctrinate and practice sexual-spiritual experimentation (abuse) on children. Even though you have just characterised me wrong, why don't you just go live in Russia then........
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:19:21 GMT -5
Another baseless statement, the problem is like I ask Nathan, if your wrong how will you know..... Its at this point I would ask what do you base this deathless pact you have on?, could you point me to an example, preferably someone you know.....like other statments of say ressurection, you still have provided no basis to the claim. The above statement that infers reward of life for one self for participation in a particular belief system also points to the fundemental flaw of the belief, its the epitome of selfishness......and heaven help anyone who gets in-between the seeker and their goal of self preservation.... Your humility is false. True humility has a locus of love and responsibility. True humility is endowed with soul, a gift from God. Right, true humility is spiritually killing those pointing out facts about the culture you have appropriated for your own magical reward......
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Post by tulip2 on Feb 17, 2024 1:29:09 GMT -5
That was a good fishing trip, two on the one line Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or its phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? It went over their heads! So, I speak about things they feel comfortable with in meetings. I tell some in private and they listen. I gave them my site to read at their own leisure. ROatheist started my own message board where I post the information from ABC to XYZ for all to see it’s science facts not science fiction. And nathan2, if what you wrote below is truly what you believe (and try to preach/teach others) - "You must believe and accept Jesus Christ 2x2s apostolic ministry", your posts belong in this section ("cults"). That is not the Christian faith, believing in a "2x2 apostolic ministry" is not an essential for salvation. In fact it's heresy. Do I have to believe what you preach in order to be saved? Well, let me put it this way… You must believe and accept Jesus Christ 2x2s apostolic ministry and New Testament teachings to be Saved. My teachings are like Icying on the cake! Believe it or NOT that is NOT important. I only point and lead people to follow Jesus and have your eyes focus on Him and Him only! Jesus God/Man will NEVER let you down or disappointed you in any things.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:29:32 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. Is it just me or are people willfully ignorant of the culture the scriptures were predominately set in? It seems to me the idea of Heaven was something that overlapped with earth, as terms like wordly or of this world, heaven and earth ect, are references to culture or particular cultures and not celestial bodies and places/realms above away from or within them. I think Gods chosen people is a loaded term, like any tribe past or present they have to elevate the tribe regardless of its character traits, also the symbolism that's tied up in the idea of the "children of Israel" is quite fascinating to me. It could be the ACTUAL sons of God are special: Romans 8:19 Some think they were the workers. I don’t. The term son of god is referring to "one of similar character". A son was a builder of the family name, a name is a set of characteristics, so the son or sons of God is one who displays characteristics of similar nature to the LORD. The name of the LORD was gracious compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness..... Jesus was one of similar nature........I know others who are too......I also know son's of other Gods, they displays characteristics of a similar nature as well....some.as quite nasty!.
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Post by tulip2 on Feb 17, 2024 1:32:43 GMT -5
Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or its phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... haha... some of them, they'd burn you at the stake for a lot less than that (even now, today)!
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:37:40 GMT -5
These ancient people didn't write with words/sentences/paragraphs like we do, they had symbols with concepts, the translators translated it into words/sentences/paragraphs founded in their own culture and philosophy to make it readable, they did not understand the culture it came from. Not only was the philosophy different the approach was different, Greeks think form, Hebrew thinking function, Greeks apply images to the words, Hebrew's pictured how the symbols functioned. So for example when you read the word hand you picture a hand, when they saw the symbol Yod (hand/arm) they thought what does a hand do?, they picture the functions of the hand which could be numerous amounts of things, so with this in mind you can see how easily things get lost in translstion, particularly translation across cultures. So with that in mind you read God had a soul, what do you think the original intent was?, I dont expect you to work it out overnight. Mary this may sound arrogant but when someone says "the bible say's" or words to that effect, generally they do not know what it says at all but rather are just reading the translated words/sentences/paragraphs absent original intent. Lets look at the word soul. It consists of three characters, nun pey and shin. Nun The 14th letter has the value of #50. ן – נ Noon, also has a Final Form. It is spelled נ Noon, וּ Vav, ן Noon, the word נוּן Noon; to Increase, Continue. Originally the Picture of a Fish, Seed, Sperm, Sprout. It represents Son/Child, Offspring, Heir, Activity, to Propagate, Posterity, the Perpetuity of Life… Pey The 17th letter has the value of #80. ף – פ Pei/Phei has two pronunciations and a Final Form. Spelled פ Pei – ה Hei, it is the word פֶה Peh; Mouth. Originally the Picture of a Mouth, it represents to Open, Speak a Word, Command, Ask, Blow, Scatter, Beginning (of a River), Seashore, Taste, Edge… Shin The 21st letter has the value of #300. ש Shin/Sin, has two pronunciations, spelled ש Shin – ן Nun, it is the Hebrew word שֵׁן Shen; Tooth. It was originally the Picture of 2 Teeth. It represents to be Sharp, Eat, Chew Over, Return/Ruminate, Devour, Press, Crush, Remove, Destroy, Consume – like Fire. What this little comic strip is saying is ..... continually blowing through the teeth, its something breathing. You are welcome to look this up for yourself as I took the meanings of these characters from a random website. So my question is where did your idea of soul originate from?. Oh I love that! That's a living soul! Number 1 symbol=life, number 2=to speak, number 3=God's consuming fire In other words, a living soul who has the power to speak the word of God and can overcome with the consuming fire of God.... Love it! I've looked at the different symbols in the past they are so interesting and from what I've seen they coincide with how I believe. I'm sure I've written things about various symbols in the past on here somewhere (unless it was another site), although I've forgotten a lot about them now. Thanks for taking the time to write that and reminding me about them it's so interesting we should have a thread about it! 😊👍 I dont think that's quite right Mary, a animal was also a soul.......to many religous connotations in your defenition unless you can point to some animals speaking religous platitudes.....
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:43:09 GMT -5
The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or its phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... haha... some of them, they'd burn you at the stake for a lot less than that (even now, today)! I agree.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2024 1:45:59 GMT -5
The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or its phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... haha... some of them, they'd burn you at the stake for a lot less than that (even now, today)! A few posts up is a great example, you can imagine what they would have done back in the day to someone they referred to as the antichrist......
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Post by tulip2 on Feb 17, 2024 1:54:42 GMT -5
Maybe it's you for whom the essence of the Christian faith is completely alien? I assume you were once professing, back then did you speak like you do on TMB in meetings? And if so, what reactions did you get? What is the essence of Christian faith?. That there is a creator who exists and has always existed beyond this physical creation of his/hers, all-powerful all-knowing, etc. etc. Who is spirit (not part of our physical universe). That life (including mankind) was created by this God for a purpose. That Jesus (part of the godhead) came into our physical world as the "new Adam" to restore mankind's relationship with God after sin destroyed it. This Jesus did, through his death on the cross (death, not just physical but separation from God the father - taking our just penalty upon himself, so God remains true to his just and righteous character in restoring us into relationship through our faith in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross). In demonstration of God's power beyond physical death, Jesus was raised from the grave, and ascended into glory in heaven - the "first fruits" of God's purpose for all mankind who desire ongoing relationship with him through faith in the love of God demonstrated in Jesus Christ. Don't tell me that's not what you heard from the workers in gospel meetings...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 17, 2024 4:28:25 GMT -5
That is enough for now . Maybe I'll read it when I have nothing else to do.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 17, 2024 5:04:42 GMT -5
I asked a practicing Jew if Jews believed in a heaven. The reply was that it was an irrelevant question. The Jews were God's chosen people, but when they (or people in general) die, they are just dead -- period. The one exception being the super faithfully Law abiding Jews may rise when some finally judgement comes for the whole earth -- presumably if their remains were not consumed by cremation. You will find Jews in modern times who will possibly believe in heaven. This is said to be some of the eastern philosophy that the captive Jews picked up before they migrated back to Palestine from Babylon, but it is considered something like a superstition by traditional Jewry. So do the Jews just believe that once you die that's it? Traditionally, yes. But the non observant Jews can be found to believe anything they want. The Bible doesn't say they didn't believe like that. In fact: Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Yes, the Jews have the Old Testament, but no, they did not believe in life after death. They believed that people could "translated", "resurrected", carried away alive by angels, but not dying and receiving an eternal reward. Yes, that's it. No heaven, no hell. The only possible after life experience they anticipate is that if they have kept the Jewish Law perfectly, they may be resurrected in some final judgement day for the world. And even that is kind of a fuzzy belief among observant Jews. Otherwise, when you die you are just dead, and hope they've left your bones in order in case you're lucky enough to be resurrected.
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Post by rk0atheist on Feb 17, 2024 7:54:33 GMT -5
"In 2000 yrs time what cheap shots do you think people who can't read in historical context will take about you?"I doubt they will think about me at all. I just hope that in another 2000 years there are still people who can read. I hope human civilization doesn't get blasted back to the stone ages by some nut-job between now and then. Since you are such an expert on historical context, what are your thoughts on Marcion of Sinope? I think you are confusing things, reading in historical context is a deliberate thought process, it is not an expertise in history. It doesn't take expertise to sit behind the writer or teller of historical events and look forward, it is helpful though to listen or read about the context provided by experts in any given field when reading history, then you could see how calling people illiterate goat-herders on the verses I shared is lacking in critical thought given the advantage of an extra 2000 years of scientific knowledge at hand and the benefit of cultural advancement you have. If you want to know about Marcion you will have to read about him like I would have to. So you admit you have no clue about who Marcion of Sinope of was. Reading in historical context means understanding history. It means gathering data and examining that data. You can't just sit in a comfy chair and make up stuff and call that deep thinking. I already did "listen or read about the context provided by experts" and I already know what the experts say. If you had been reading my posts, you would know that I have been following the work of Mark Bilby. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mpdxryvClI Gospel Open Data Science: Session 003 [Blessings & Curses] Feb 15, 2024 Mapping the evolution from the First Gospel (Qn) to early Matthew (Mt1) to canonical Luke (Lk2), by turns defending and critiquing traditional reconstructions of Q based on Marcion's Gospel as our primary and earliest basis to establish the scientifically valid text of Qn.
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Post by Annan on Feb 17, 2024 8:17:30 GMT -5
]Yes, that's it. No heaven, no hell. The only possible after life experience they anticipate is that if they have kept the Jewish Law perfectly, they may be resurrected in some final judgement day for the world. And even that is kind of a fuzzy belief among observant Jews. Otherwise, when you die you are just dead, and hope they've left your bones in order in case you're lucky enough to be resurrected.That was something that always tormented my dad. In the end, he opted for cremation. I remember, however, him asking how people resurrect when they are blown apart by bombs or have to have a limb removed. Interesting the things that torment people.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 17, 2024 10:11:04 GMT -5
That was a good fishing trip, two on the one line The reaction I got, well lets just say if it was 600 years ago I would have been burned at the stake......or 2000 yrs ago, they would have conspired with the relevant authorities and got me hung on a cross.....you dont dare go against the authority or its phsychophants...... indwelling hatred does not change over time......... It went over their heads! So, I speak about things they feel comfortable with in meetings. I tell some in private and they listen. I gave them my site to read at their own leisure. ROatheist started my own message board where I post the information from ABC to XYZ for all to see it’s science facts not science fiction. And nathan2, if what you wrote below is truly what you believe (and try to preach/teach others) - "You must believe and accept Jesus Christ 2x2s apostolic ministry", your posts belong in this section ("cults"). That is not the Christian faith, believing in a "2x2 apostolic ministry" is not an essential for salvation. In fact it's heresy. Well, let me put it this way… You must believe and accept Jesus Christ 2x2s apostolic ministry and New Testament teachings to be Saved. My teachings are like Icying on the cake! Believe it or NOT that is NOT important. I only point and lead people to follow Jesus and have your eyes focus on Him and Him only! Jesus God/Man will NEVER let you down or disappointed you in any things. According to you it’s heresy but NOT according to God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit, is still on the earth today leading, guiding and CORRECTING! the ministry and the church to the time of Jesus returns. Jesus said the Stone/Christ NT teachings, which the builders/RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations REJECT become the head of cornerstone! Matthew 7:21-28. In the judgment day those who reject God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Test. Church will be Shocked to hear “Depart from you evil doers, I NEVER knew you.” Why? Because they build on the Sand foundation/teachings of men ideas and NOT on the Rock foundation/Christ’s New Test/covenant teachings.
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