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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 21:50:15 GMT -5
I think the best interpretation of the Bible says our planet’s here to stay. It remains for us to learn how to live peacefully with each other and our environs.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 21:55:02 GMT -5
Jesus told us how to pray because a lot of us don’t know how to pray. We know what fake prayer is, but a lot of our hearts have grown cold. So Jesus told us to pray for his Thy kingdom to come, and for his will to be done. An eschatologically rich prayer. Meanwhile, the 2x2 together with majority Christian soteriology, press hard to get off the planet. Right now, the true believers are waiting for the New Resurrection bodies which God and Christ had promised to give us when Jesus returns to earth to established His Eternal kingdom on earth and throughout the trillions galaxies in the Universe for 1000 year! Then after 1000 years reign are finished then God and Christ will destroyed this earth planet, then God prepared a New heaven and earth where the Godhead= God the Father, Christ Why destroy a marvelous planet when the planet’s not the problem?
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 21:57:25 GMT -5
You gave verses yes, but you have not given consideration to the fact that their idea of judge is nothing like your idea of a judge. Their idea of a judge is a deliverer. Nathan's idea of a judge is someone you stand before and they sentence you guilty or innocent, and then executed the death penalty to those who are guilty. You have applied your idea of a judge onto their words. You are thinking of the Old Testament judges… I am showing you in the scriptures of what Jesus said about the New Testament believers Judges are going to be doing in the future sense. Your head is STUCK with the Old Testament Hebrews 4000 years old time line! Thinking and belief. Um… if there’s any coherency in the Bible, Jesus was present then
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 22:02:19 GMT -5
I think the best interpretation of the Bible says our planet’s here to stay. It remains for us to learn how to live peacefully with each other and our environs. The planet earth is NOT for here to stay forever! You need to Read II Peter 3:9-13 Looking for the hasting unto the coming day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be Dissolved, and the element shall MELT with fervent heat. Nevertheless, we according to His promise, looking for NEW heavens and New earth, wherein dwell righteousness.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 22:06:44 GMT -5
You are thinking of the Old Testament judges… I am showing you in the scriptures of what Jesus said about the New Testament believers Judges are going to be doing in the future sense. Your head is STUCK with the Old Testament Hebrews 4000 years old time line! Thinking and belief. Um… if there’s any coherency in the Bible, Jesus was present then Yes, Jesus/Christ is the Eternal God like God the Father and Holy Spirit. They always exist from eternity to eternity. In the Old Testament Jesus existed as the Gods I AM that I AM Yahweh God read John 8:58-60 Jesus revealed to the people in his days that he is the Eternal God of the OLD Test just like God the Father.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 22:14:23 GMT -5
Right now, the true believers are waiting for the New Resurrection bodies which God and Christ had promised to give us when Jesus returns to earth to established His Eternal kingdom on earth and throughout the trillions galaxies in the Universe for 1000 year! Then after 1000 years reign are finished then God and Christ will destroyed this earth planet, then God prepared a New heaven and earth where the Godhead= God the Father, Christ Why destroy a marvelous planet when the planet’s not the problem? This planet has served it’s purpose for which God had created for! That is to gather a nation of true believers to assist and establish Christ in His eternal kingdom on earth during the 1000 years reign. This earth has too much sorrows, pains, sufferings, BAD memories with loved ones and sad events dealing with Satan so, God will destroy it and replace with a NEW earth. Read Rev. chapter 20.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 22:20:30 GMT -5
That’s bullsh-. There is no reason to replace the earth
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 22:22:56 GMT -5
Um… if there’s any coherency in the Bible, Jesus was present then Yes, Jesus/Christ is the Eternal God like God the Father and Holy Spirit. They always exist from eternity to eternity. In the Old Testament Jesus existed as the Gods I AM that I AM Yahweh God read John 8:58-60 Jesus revealed to the people in his days that he is the Eternal God of the OLD Test just like God the Father. I refer to my senses ultimately, to inform me of the good true and beautiful. I allow for the fact I might need to open myself to the Holy Spirit to arrive at an objective sense of these.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 22:30:37 GMT -5
I think the best interpretation of the Bible says our planet’s here to stay. It remains for us to learn how to live peacefully with each other and our environs. The planet earth is NOT for here to stay forever! You need to Read II Peter 3:9-13 Looking for the hasting unto the coming day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be Dissolved, and the element shall MELT with fervent heat. Nevertheless, we according to His promise, looking for NEW heavens and New earth, wherein dwell righteousness. Exactly. The planet is not here to stay based on the way sinful man have commandeered it. The earth is here to stay in the manner Christ will run it. Why is the earth an issue at all? Because fleshly man finds ten ways to sunrise to misdirect his problems from a sentient, spiritual plane to an illusionary, physically-bounded reservation.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 22:34:51 GMT -5
Expecting the system that created problem to now fix the problem is the defenition of insane. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You drive me insane all these years with your weird Hebrewic mindset. Its simple Nathan, a system that leads to a corrupt culture cannot also lead to an incorrupt culture. The system you are protecting is the problem.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 22:49:13 GMT -5
You gave verses yes, but you have not given consideration to the fact that their idea of judge is nothing like your idea of a judge. Their idea of a judge is a deliverer. Nathan's idea of a judge is someone you stand before and they sentence you guilty or innocent, and then executed the death penalty to those who are guilty. You have applied your idea of a judge onto their words. You are thinking of the Old Testament judges… I am showing you in the scriptures of what Jesus said about the New Testament believers Judges are going to be doing in the future sense. Your head is STUCK with the Old Testament Hebrews 4000 years old time line! Thinking and belief. Jesus was a Hebrew, his guidance and philosophy come from the Hebrews and OT not the NT and the Greeks. The NT was written after Jesus's death. You need to understand the OT culture and Philosophy to even begin to understand what the NT is about, then you will see where Greek philosophy has been introduced. The NT is commentary on Jesus and Pauls yoke or their interpretation of TORAH. You are putting the cart before the horse is what you are doing. To Jesus as judge was a deliverer, so anything he suggested about a Judge be it present or future tense was about a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner like you think the word Judge means in scripture. Your idea of a judge is relevanttoday, it was not Jesus's idea of a judge back then
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 22:54:39 GMT -5
Jesus is executioner and deliverer. Different folks deserve different strokes.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 22:56:54 GMT -5
That’s bullsh-. There is no reason to replace the earth Hey, if you want this Old planet fill with nuclear waste, nuclear bombs fall out, radiation, pollution, and you breath in all kinds of harmful chemical into your lungs, all kinds of viruses and many are created by men, you go for it. STAY here as long as you like while it lasts.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 22:59:13 GMT -5
Earth has a remarkable ability to neutralize our crap. A great canvass to learn on
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 23:01:38 GMT -5
You are thinking of the Old Testament judges… I am showing you in the scriptures of what Jesus said about the New Testament believers Judges are going to be doing in the future sense. Your head is STUCK with the Old Testament Hebrews 4000 years old time line! Thinking and belief. Jesus was a Hebrew, his guidance and philosophy come from the Hebrews and OT not the NT and the Greeks. The NT was written after Jesus's death. You need to understand the OT culture and Philosophy to even begin to understand what the NT is about, then you will see where Greek philosophy has been introduced. The NT is commentary on Jesus and Pauls yoke or their interpretation of TORAH. You are putting the cart before the horse is what you are doing. To Jesus as judge was a deliverer, so anything he suggested about a Judge be it present or future tense was about a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner like you think the word Judge means in scripture. Your idea of a judge is relevanttoday, it was not Jesus's idea of a judge back then You are off your rocker, mate. You need help and get away with the OLD Test thinking! We are Living in the New Test. Time with New Test. Thinking and belief. You are going backward NOT forward! You are STUCK in the Old Test. Time Warp machine.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 23:05:23 GMT -5
Earth has a remarkable ability to neutralize our crap. A great canvass to learn on God is going to melt this old earth with Fervent heat! Asteroids… God is going to give you a better earth which last forever and ever! No asteroids, Nuclear bombs will and can destroy it!
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 23:06:13 GMT -5
Jesus was a Hebrew, his guidance and philosophy come from the Hebrews and OT not the NT and the Greeks. The NT was written after Jesus's death. You need to understand the OT culture and Philosophy to even begin to understand what the NT is about, then you will see where Greek philosophy has been introduced. The NT is commentary on Jesus and Pauls yoke or their interpretation of TORAH. You are putting the cart before the horse is what you are doing. To Jesus as judge was a deliverer, so anything he suggested about a Judge be it present or future tense was about a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner like you think the word Judge means in scripture. Your idea of a judge is relevanttoday, it was not Jesus's idea of a judge back then You are off your rocker, mate. You need help and get away with the OLD Test thinking! We are Living in the New Test. Time with New Test. Thinking and belief. You are going backward NOT forward! You are STUCK in the Old Test. Time Warp machine.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 23:06:24 GMT -5
Jesus is executioner and deliverer. Different folks deserve different strokes. Your last sentence is not evidence for not the first.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:11:06 GMT -5
People should read ‘Total Truth’
Nancy Pearcy described therein the artificial interpretive filter moderns were subverted from their conception and connection to truth.
Truth is a spiritual proposition, that permeates our soul and being. This has been disputed by materialists, but hasn’t stuck.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:13:50 GMT -5
Jesus is executioner and deliverer. Different folks deserve different strokes. Your last sentence is not evidence for not the first. So you would relegate judgment to mere man? How profane!
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 23:17:42 GMT -5
Jesus was a Hebrew, his guidance and philosophy come from the Hebrews and OT not the NT and the Greeks. The NT was written after Jesus's death. You need to understand the OT culture and Philosophy to even begin to understand what the NT is about, then you will see where Greek philosophy has been introduced. The NT is commentary on Jesus and Pauls yoke or their interpretation of TORAH. You are putting the cart before the horse is what you are doing. To Jesus as judge was a deliverer, so anything he suggested about a Judge be it present or future tense was about a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner like you think the word Judge means in scripture. Your idea of a judge is relevanttoday, it was not Jesus's idea of a judge back then You are off your rocker, mate. You need help and get away with the OLD Test thinking! We are Living in the New Test. Time with New Test. Thinking and belief. You are going backward NOT forward! You are STUCK in the Old Test. Time Warp machine. Nathan do me a favour, go and research "historical context" and come back and explain it to me in your own words.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 23:18:08 GMT -5
The planet earth is NOT for here to stay forever! You need to Read II Peter 3:9-13 Looking for the hasting unto the coming day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be Dissolved, and the element shall MELT with fervent heat. Nevertheless, we according to His promise, looking for NEW heavens and New earth, wherein dwell righteousness. Exactly. The planet is not here to stay based on the way sinful man have commandeered it. The earth is here to stay in the manner Christ will run it. Why is the earth an issue at all? Because fleshly man finds ten ways to sunrise to misdirect his problems from a sentient, spiritual plane to an illusionary, physically-bounded reservation. Christ will use this planet to set up His eternal kingdom for 1000 years with the True believers! Christ will use Jerusalem city as His head quarter. God will bound Satan and put him in abyss for 1000 years. Read Rev. 20:1-15. After 1000 years is finished Satan will be loose for a short time, to gather his demonic army for the final battle of Armageddon against Christ’s heavenly army of believers. God will destroyed Satan and his tiny demonic army once and for all and cast them in the lake of fire forever. Once God has done that this earth has served its purpose! Obsolete, no longer of any use… just like the OLD casinos in LasVegas buildings have to be destroyed so NEW, Bigger and Morden ones can be built.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 23:19:38 GMT -5
Your last sentence is not evidence for not the first. So you would relegate judgment to mere man? How profane! What other application of judgement have you witnessed?
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:22:43 GMT -5
You are off your rocker, mate. You need help and get away with the OLD Test thinking! We are Living in the New Test. Time with New Test. Thinking and belief. You are going backward NOT forward! You are STUCK in the Old Test. Time Warp machine. What changed between NT and OT was an emphasis between behavioral integrity based upon mind versus a basis of reward and punishment. Jesus touched our souls in terms of our motivations. Rewards were rewrote in terms of the reward from giving. This is the only way we can emancipate ourselves from our flesh. In the context of this world, our flesh has been enslaved by Satan.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:28:06 GMT -5
So you would relegate judgment to mere man? How profane! What other application of judgement have you witnessed? The judgement of the HS. It can come from man, and it should. Sometimes it doesn’t; sometimes the judgement of man doesn’t accord with God’s
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 23:40:29 GMT -5
What other application of judgement have you witnessed? The judgement of the HS. It can come from man, and it should. Sometimes it doesn’t; sometimes the judgement of man doesn’t accord with God’s You are going to have to explain what you witnessed in both with the things you have presented as evidence as so far the only evidence is man applying judgement.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:45:07 GMT -5
Earth has a remarkable ability to neutralize our crap. A great canvass to learn on God is going to melt this old earth with Fervent heat! Asteroids… God is going to give you a better earth which last forever and ever! No asteroids, Nuclear bombs will and can destroy it! Physically speaking, the earth is our home. Spiritually speaking, it’s more difficult to reside here in peace with each other. At the end of the day, spiritual progress is what matters.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 23:48:16 GMT -5
The judgement of the HS. It can come from man, and it should. Sometimes it doesn’t; sometimes the judgement of man doesn’t accord with God’s You are going to have to explain what you witnessed in both with the things you have presented as evidence as so far the only evidence is man applying judgement. Sure… the only way we know anything is by ourselves or some other man. The entire discussion of God was born from the resident anomalies within man.
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