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Post by nathan2 on Feb 8, 2024 23:08:35 GMT -5
I'm astounded by Nathan's comment that things "went back to usual", implying there was nothing wrong then it went wrong then it went back to nothing wrong. It started off with a power hungry womaniser using scripture as a sword......it has never been right, good people have been conned right from the start, and its only got worse. Usual is by fact "corrupt", the receipts are evident enough, unusual is every time the receipts are just exposed. It is becoming obvious in Australia proper people are leaving because they cannot live with knowing "the usual". That comment may cop some hate but I see people leaving because they cannot support a ministry that covers things up. Workers are also leaving because they cannot live with the coverup and improper behaviour. The ones left are those happy with the status quo and support a corrupt ministry. Now obviously there are still proper people in the ministry and amongst the friends, lets see how long they last as this show is corrupt to the core and good people will not last in it. Edit, there ate some outliers who cannot leave, it has been there whole life, some quite old and it would be like starting life again on deaths door, it would literally kill them. Which is sad and highlights the evil at the heart of this. Well I suspect in Nathan's 'world', I'm also a "goner" along with chuck. I don't have respect left for what the 2x2 system of religion has sunk to, nor what it has produced (all the forms of abuse that have come to light). I totally agree with chuck that if the aim of those 'in charge' is simply to lie low and hope that eventually, all will go "back to usual", that's just tragic. I do also see many good people, including good workers (generally, powerless in the organization sense), and some good aspects of the form of the church and fellowship. But in my world/beliefs, anybody whose faith is in the form as being the "one right way", then they are the real "goners". I also agree with chuck that Jesus lived as a Hebrew, under the 'old covenant' of God with the Israelites. In fact, Jesus fulfilled perfectly the old covenant law. Anybody who is "following Jesus" for their salvation (as meant in the biblical sense) will be trying as hard as they can to do as Jesus did, fulfil perfectly the old law in every detail and aspect. Good luck in that!! But the orthodox Christian belief is that the new covenant involves a superior ministry (of Christ), is "established on better promises," and is, in fact, "superior to the old covenant". I think (if I understand chuck correctly?) that we agree that the ideal principle for living is to live by and show to others in our daily living, the character of Christ (for me, i.e. of God). Where I think we differ is how we manage this. For me, it's not by appealing to our 'better natures' (kind-of like, digging deep into our humanity and natural sense of decency so as to live by the higher principles that Jesus lived by). Rather (acknowledging if we do that there is a spiritual realm as well as our natural universe), it's about "Christ in you", having the spirit of Christ over-ruling my natural human nature (with all the power of God that that entails), that is, not "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof". Jesus Christ is the ONLY RIGHT WAY! Path to God the Father’s presence. NOT the workers, the RCC, the Reformers of all Protestant denomination churches! Don’t throw the Baby/Jesus Truth and Way out with dirty bath water/CSA abusers NOT ALL workers are corrupt and evil. God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit are cleansing the House of God, pruning and cutting away the dead branches Read John 15 so, more fruits will produce in the coming days!
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 8, 2024 23:11:42 GMT -5
All I did was point Jesus teachings which you don’t agree with. Read Jesus own teachings they are NOT mine. John 3:16-21. Jesus spoke about heaven and hell/Luke 16, which you don’t believe in. Like I said, confident enough in your own rightness to infer I'm headed to and deserve Hell. That is between you, God and Christ. This is God’s kingdom He will allow those who obey and believe in His Son Truth and Way, which established by God the Father Himself in Matthew 10; Luke 10; Acts 10; and Romans 10: 13-18.
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Post by chuck on Feb 8, 2024 23:41:06 GMT -5
Like I said, confident enough in your own rightness to infer I'm headed to and deserve Hell. That is between you, God and Christ. This is God’s kingdom He will allow those who obey and believe in His Son Truth and Way, which established by God the Father Himself in Matthew 10; Luke 10; Acts 10; and Romans 10: 13-18. I see you haven't lost your maniplative touch...... Grow a pair Nathan and tell me I'm going to hell because I don't see it like you do instead of trying to manipulate by fear and guilt like you did as a worker.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 0:22:05 GMT -5
That is between you, God and Christ. This is God’s kingdom He will allow those who obey and believe in His Son Truth and Way, which established by God the Father Himself in Matthew 10; Luke 10; Acts 10; and Romans 10: 13-18. I see you haven't lost your maniplative touch...... Grow a pair Nathan and tell me I'm going to hell because I don't see it like you do instead of trying to manipulate by fear and guilt like you did as a worker. Well, Christ’s teaching will judge you. Christ is the Judge, a jury and executioner! I am just one of the messengers, talk to the Big boss later in the Day of judgment, he will tell you all about your works and deeds on earth. Read Rev. 20 Only God sends people to hell or heaven. That is above my pay grade, mate.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 2:13:34 GMT -5
I see you haven't lost your maniplative touch...... Grow a pair Nathan and tell me I'm going to hell because I don't see it like you do instead of trying to manipulate by fear and guilt like you did as a worker. Well, Christ’s teaching will judge you. Christ is the Judge, a jury and executioner! I am just one of the messengers, talk to the Big boss later in the Day of judgment, he will tell you all about your works and deeds on earth. Read Rev. 20 Only God sends people to hell or heaven. That is above my pay grade, mate. Nathan, there is whole book in your bible about Judges, and the Hebrew idea of a judge is not a judicial officer who hands out a sentence. So whatever Ideas you have about a man named Jesus handing down a sentence and executing that sentence is not scriptural. What a good news story that is, Jesus the executioner.....how do you rationalize that with love your enemies?. And now let's nut out your maniplative sell. Nathan if you cannot tell me if im headed to hell, how do you know what you are doing wil get you to Heaven?.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 2:34:42 GMT -5
6 But the righteousness that is by faith says:
“Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down)
7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)
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Post by fixit on Feb 9, 2024 2:49:39 GMT -5
That is between you, God and Christ. This is God’s kingdom He will allow those who obey and believe in His Son Truth and Way, which established by God the Father Himself in Matthew 10; Luke 10; Acts 10; and Romans 10: 13-18. What a naive, shallow faith!
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 7:04:42 GMT -5
Well, Christ’s teaching will judge you. Christ is the Judge, a jury and executioner! I am just one of the messengers, talk to the Big boss later in the Day of judgment, he will tell you all about your works and deeds on earth. Read Rev. 20 Only God sends people to hell or heaven. That is above my pay grade, mate. Nathan, there is whole book in your bible about Judges, and the Hebrew idea of a judge is not a judicial officer who hands out a sentence. So whatever Ideas you have about a man named Jesus handing down a sentence and executing that sentence is not scriptural. What a good news story that is, Jesus the executioner.....how do you rationalize that with love your enemies?. And now let's nut out your maniplative sell. Nathan if you cannot tell me if im headed to hell, how do you know what you are doing wil get you to Heaven?. 1) Paul wrote 1 Cor: 6:2-3 Do you NOT KNOW that the saints shall JUDGE the World? And if the World shall be JUDGED by you, are you NOT competent to judge the smallest/trivial cases in the church? KNOW ye NOT that we shall JUDGE the Fallen Angels? 2) Jesus said to the 12 apostles in Matthew 19: 28-29 Ye which have followed me, when the son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit on the 12 thrones, JUDGING the 12 tribes of Israel…. 3) Jesus will act as judge over believers and unbelievers at the judgment seat of Christ. He will judge the believers for their gains and LOSSES (1 Cor. 4:-5; I Cor.5:10). He will judge the unbelievers. The believers shall be Judged how they were faithful they served Christ or NOT while they were believers on earth. The unbelievers seal their faith by REJECTING Jesus. Read (Rev. 20:12)The Great white throne at this judgment are thrown into the lake of fire/cast from God’s presence forever because their names are NOT found in the book of life, which mean they REJECTED Christ’s FREE gift of Salvation through His servants and people ministry of reconciliation! II Cor. 5:18-20 Jesus is BOTH God and Man, He is perfect Judge of mankind. His judgment is fair and perfectly just and NOT subject to appeal (Acts 17:31). He is NOT like sinful humans rulers who at times judge unfairly and seek to fulfill their agenda.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 10:08:38 GMT -5
Trying me to understand here why you’re so partial to the workers. Obviously it has to do in part with your conversion experience.
There’s an objectivity that comes from forsaking the world and following Jesus…. If, it’s truly HS led. If, God is truly calling someone.
Most of the workers I have known or known of don’t pray the Lord’s Prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. They have a history of equating ascetism with righteousness, which is hypocritical.
They’re interested in recycling people into an exercise of the flesh, a desire to be alleviated from the crisis of the tribulation.
The crisis of the tribulation is the manifestation of satan’s wicked reign over earth. That reign consists of people, and their hearts.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 12:00:40 GMT -5
Trying me to understand here why you’re so partial to the workers. Obviously it has to do in part with your conversion experience. There’s an objectivity that comes from forsaking the world and following Jesus…. If, it’s truly HS led. If, God is truly calling someone. Most of the workers I have known or known of don’t pray the Lord’s Prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. They have a history of equating ascetism with righteousness, which is hypocritical. They’re interested in recycling people into an exercise of the flesh, a desire to be alleviated from the crisis of the tribulation. The crisis of the tribulation is the manifestation of satan’s wicked reign over earth. That reign consists of people, and their hearts. I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 14:09:41 GMT -5
I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please. Don't sing the Hymns Nathan, they are vain repetition, and your heart is not in it. You can sing it with your mouth but your mind is somewhere else Hymns are different they are words of adorations, praises, thanksgiving to God, Christ and Holy Spirit in a group of believers. The Lord’s prayers, are hearts to hearts communication to the Godhead. It tells is in the gospel Jesus and the apostles singing hymns at the last super!
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 14:22:35 GMT -5
I believe it is good that some of the friends are NOT supporting the ministry right now! To wake up the ministry, the overseers world wide, the senior workers, all the workers to take CSA seriously, and eliminate CSA abusers from the ministry and fellowship. Enough is Enough! Once the CSA is eliminated from the ministry and most of the friends are aware about CSA, they will teach their children to be on the alert and themselves also. Like Paul wrote in Romans 10 How beautiful are the feet of them who bring glad tithing of the gospel into people lives and homes. Like I said recently, I had MANY wonderful, awesome memories with the workers before I was in the work! I had greater memories of being in the friends homes, getting to KNOW them and their families. They consider me as another member of their family. I will cherish many of those fond memories beyond this life into the next life. My concern is that if people are still saying it's just us exes stirring the pot that the workers will be able to continue on doing what they've done for decades. My concern is the children still in danger and possibly still being abused because their parents refuse to believe the workers would do such a thing. I know they exist because I have read people's posts on other forums that literally said that you should not judge/sin to protect the children. I was horrified that anyone could think like that. If they have kids social services need to remove them from their home because there is no way they would protect their kids if they were being abused. Part of it is because of the teaching that only 2x2's go to heaven. They are terrified of going against the workers teachings because they've seen what happens to some that have. Excommunication in 2x2 lingo is literally sending someone to hell. That's a pretty big motivator to turn a blind eye and 'business as usual'. Many of the friends and some workers have little clues of CSA and the horrible consequences of the victims had to deal with the horrible events in their minds for the rest of their lives, they need to educate themselves on CSA and their victims PTSD. As I said once the 2x2 eliminate the CSA abusers from the ministry and fellowship then the friends feel much safer. The set up of CSA Guideline are posting for the workers and the friends to follow in many states and hopefully around the world. Right now the workers are boggled down, stuck in the mud with CSA situation. The friends have no energy to invite anyone to the workers meetings because many overseers are too slow in dealing with CSA and the workers are don’t have energy going out to invite others to the meetings either. The overseers need to get CSA under control or they will be stuck in the rut for many years to come.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 14:55:48 GMT -5
Many of the friends and some workers have little clues of CSA and the horrible consequences of the victims had to deal with the horrible events in their minds for the rest of their lives, they need to educate themselves on CSA and their victims PTSD. As I said once the 2x2 eliminate the CSA abusers from the ministry and fellowship then the friends feel much safer. Of course that would make them safer. But how does that actually happen in the real world when overseers are still allowing predators in meetings and at conventions. Still supporting them? They continue to allow this to happen and are making it very difficult for the friends and workers that are against it, sometimes just telling them to leave. Or they start rumors about them and make it very difficult to stay in the group because the friends turn against them if the workers tell them to. I hear you loud and clear, the overseers need to get their Acts together and solved CSA problem and all come to a good solution ASAP! The longer they wait or do nothing it will drive many friends from the fellowship. The current overseers don’t want to compare themselves to Eli’s son priesthood, was so evil and corrupt that Hanna prayed to God to send a prophet to lead the people back to Him. God heard Hanna’s prayer and He gave her a son name Elijah, Who became God’s prophet and he lead people back to serve the living God.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 15:57:36 GMT -5
Nathan, there is whole book in your bible about Judges, and the Hebrew idea of a judge is not a judicial officer who hands out a sentence. So whatever Ideas you have about a man named Jesus handing down a sentence and executing that sentence is not scriptural. What a good news story that is, Jesus the executioner.....how do you rationalize that with love your enemies?. And now let's nut out your maniplative sell. Nathan if you cannot tell me if im headed to hell, how do you know what you are doing wil get you to Heaven?. 1) Paul wrote 1 Cor: 6:2-3 Do you NOT KNOW that the saints shall JUDGE the World? And if the World shall be JUDGED by you, are you NOT competent to judge the smallest/trivial cases in the church? KNOW ye NOT that we shall JUDGE the Fallen Angels? 2) Jesus said to the 12 apostles in Matthew 19: 28-29 Ye which have followed me, when the son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit on the 12 thrones, JUDGING the 12 tribes of Israel…. 3) Jesus will act as judge over believers and unbelievers at the judgment seat of Christ. He will judge the believers for their gains and LOSSES (1 Cor. 4:-5; I Cor.5:10). He will judge the unbelievers. The believers shall be Judged how they were faithful they served Christ or NOT while they were believers on earth. The unbelievers seal their faith by REJECTING Jesus. Read (Rev. 20:12)The Great white throne at this judgment are thrown into the lake of fire/cast from God’s presence forever because their names are NOT found in the book of life, which mean they REJECTED Christ’s FREE gift of Salvation through His servants and people ministry of reconciliation! II Cor. 5:18-20 Jesus is BOTH God and Man, He is perfect Judge of mankind. His judgment is fair and perfectly just and NOT subject to appeal (Acts 17:31). He is NOT like sinful humans rulers who at times judge unfairly and seek to fulfill their agenda. Nathan, your are not listening, To the Hebrew people a judge was not a judicial officer, you cant just ignore fact and misrepresent their intent. Here is the Judge Othaniel.....can you point out to me where the writer indicates Othaniel acted like a Judicial officer or your idea of a judge?. The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord; they forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asherahs. The anger of the Lord burned against Israel so that he sold them into the hands of Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram Naharaim, to whom the Israelites were subject for eight years. But when they cried out to the Lord, he raised up for them a deliverer, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, who saved them. The Spirit of the Lord came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The Lord gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him. So the land had peace for forty years, until Othniel son of Kenaz died.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 16:09:02 GMT -5
1) Paul wrote 1 Cor: 6:2-3 Do you NOT KNOW that the saints shall JUDGE the World? And if the World shall be JUDGED by you, are you NOT competent to judge the smallest/trivial cases in the church? KNOW ye NOT that we shall JUDGE the Fallen Angels? 2) Jesus said to the 12 apostles in Matthew 19: 28-29 Ye which have followed me, when the son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit on the 12 thrones, JUDGING the 12 tribes of Israel…. 3) Jesus will act as judge over believers and unbelievers at the judgment seat of Christ. He will judge the believers for their gains and LOSSES (1 Cor. 4:-5; I Cor.5:10). He will judge the unbelievers. The believers shall be Judged how they were faithful they served Christ or NOT while they were believers on earth. The unbelievers seal their faith by REJECTING Jesus. Read (Rev. 20:12)The Great white throne at this judgment are thrown into the lake of fire/cast from God’s presence forever because their names are NOT found in the book of life, which mean they REJECTED Christ’s FREE gift of Salvation through His servants and people ministry of reconciliation! II Cor. 5:18-20 Jesus is BOTH God and Man, He is perfect Judge of mankind. His judgment is fair and perfectly just and NOT subject to appeal (Acts 17:31). He is NOT like sinful humans rulers who at times judge unfairly and seek to fulfill their agenda. Nathan, your are not listening, To the Hebrew people a judge was not a judicial officer, you cant just ignore fact and misrepresent their intent. Here is the Judge Othaniel.....can you point out to me where the writer indicates Othaniel acted like a Judicial officer or your idea of a judge?. The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord; they forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asherahs. The anger of the Lord burned against Israel so that he sold them into the hands of Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram Naharaim, to whom the Israelites were subject for eight years. But when they cried out to the Lord, he raised up for them a deliverer, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, who saved them. The Spirit of the Lord came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The Lord gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him. So the land had peace for forty years, until Othniel son of Kenaz died. I am talking about New Testament believers as Judges/Rulers of the world, and the fallen angels to come in the future world/during 1000 years reign with Christ.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 18:16:33 GMT -5
Nathan, your are not listening, To the Hebrew people a judge was not a judicial officer, you cant just ignore fact and misrepresent their intent. Here is the Judge Othaniel.....can you point out to me where the writer indicates Othaniel acted like a Judicial officer or your idea of a judge?. The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord; they forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asherahs. The anger of the Lord burned against Israel so that he sold them into the hands of Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram Naharaim, to whom the Israelites were subject for eight years. But when they cried out to the Lord, he raised up for them a deliverer, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, who saved them. The Spirit of the Lord came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The Lord gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him. So the land had peace for forty years, until Othniel son of Kenaz died. I am talking about New Testament believers as Judges/Rulers of the world, and the fallen angels to come in the future world/during 1000 years reign with Christ. Nathan read it in historical context. The past founded their thought process, not future meanings from another culture. Their idea of a judge come from the past, it is clearly laid out in the book of Judges that a judge to these hebrew people was a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 18:35:00 GMT -5
Don't sing the Hymns Nathan, they are vain repetition, and your heart is not in it. You can sing it with your mouth but your mind is somewhere else Hymns are different they are words of adorations, praises, thanksgiving to God, Christ and Holy Spirit in a group of believers. The Lord’s prayers, are hearts to hearts communication to the Godhead. It tells us in the gospel Jesus and the apostles singing hymns at the last super!
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 18:39:59 GMT -5
Of course that would make them safer. But how does that actually happen in the real world when overseers are still allowing predators in meetings and at conventions. Still supporting them? They continue to allow this to happen and are making it very difficult for the friends and workers that are against it, sometimes just telling them to leave. Or they start rumors about them and make it very difficult to stay in the group because the friends turn against them if the workers tell them to. I hear you loud and clear, the overseers need to get their Acts together and solved CSA problem and all come to a good solution ASAP! The longer they wait or do nothing it will drive many friends from the fellowship. The current overseers don’t want to compare themselves to Eli’s son priesthood, was so evil and corrupt that Hanna prayed to God to send a prophet to lead the people back to Him. God heard Hanna’s prayer and He gave her a son name Elijah, Who became God’s prophet and he lead people back to serve the living God. Expecting the system that created problem to now fix the problem is the defenition of insane.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 18:40:39 GMT -5
I am talking about New Testament believers as Judges/Rulers of the world, and the fallen angels to come in the future world/during 1000 years reign with Christ. Nathan read it in historical context. The past founded their thought process, not future meanings from another culture. Their idea of a judge come from the past, it is clearly laid out in the book of Judges that a judge to these hebrew people was a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner. You asked where does it says in the Bible Jesus as a Judge, Jury and executioner and I gave you verses to back it up! Your answer about some crazy idea about Old Testament judges…
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 18:41:33 GMT -5
I hear you loud and clear, the overseers need to get their Acts together and solved CSA problem and all come to a good solution ASAP! The longer they wait or do nothing it will drive many friends from the fellowship. The current overseers don’t want to compare themselves to Eli’s son priesthood, was so evil and corrupt that Hanna prayed to God to send a prophet to lead the people back to Him. God heard Hanna’s prayer and He gave her a son name Elijah, Who became God’s prophet and he lead people back to serve the living God. Expecting the system that created problem to now fix the problem is the defenition of insane. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You drive me insane all these years with your weird Hebrewic mindset.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 18:42:32 GMT -5
Trying me to understand here why you’re so partial to the workers. Obviously it has to do in part with your conversion experience. There’s an objectivity that comes from forsaking the world and following Jesus…. If, it’s truly HS led. If, God is truly calling someone. Most of the workers I have known or known of don’t pray the Lord’s Prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. They have a history of equating ascetism with righteousness, which is hypocritical. They’re interested in recycling people into an exercise of the flesh, a desire to be alleviated from the crisis of the tribulation. The crisis of the tribulation is the manifestation of satan’s wicked reign over earth. That reign consists of people, and their hearts. I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please. Prayer is not about verbal religious ritual period. That is witchcraft.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 18:45:21 GMT -5
I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please. Prayer is not about verbal religious ritual period. That is witchcraft. Hey, can you imagine I agree with you! That is a miracle .
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 20:53:12 GMT -5
Prayer is not about verbal religious ritual period. That is witchcraft. Hey, can you imagine I agree with you! That is a miracle . I suspect if we drilled down abit your idea of prayer differs very little from most and would still be witchcraft, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 21:09:32 GMT -5
Trying me to understand here why you’re so partial to the workers. Obviously it has to do in part with your conversion experience. There’s an objectivity that comes from forsaking the world and following Jesus…. If, it’s truly HS led. If, God is truly calling someone. Most of the workers I have known or known of don’t pray the Lord’s Prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. They have a history of equating ascetism with righteousness, which is hypocritical. They’re interested in recycling people into an exercise of the flesh, a desire to be alleviated from the crisis of the tribulation. The crisis of the tribulation is the manifestation of satan’s wicked reign over earth. That reign consists of people, and their hearts. I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please. Jesus told us how to pray because a lot of us don’t know how to pray. We know what fake prayer is, but a lot of our hearts have grown cold. So Jesus told us to pray for his Thy kingdom to come, and for his will to be done. An eschatologically rich prayer. Meanwhile, the 2x2 together with majority Christian soteriology, press hard to get off the planet.
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Post by chuck on Feb 9, 2024 21:23:04 GMT -5
Nathan read it in historical context. The past founded their thought process, not future meanings from another culture. Their idea of a judge come from the past, it is clearly laid out in the book of Judges that a judge to these hebrew people was a deliverer, not a sentencer and executioner. You asked where does it says in the Bible Jesus as a Judge, Jury and executioner and I gave you verses to back it up! Your answer about some crazy idea about Old Testament judges… You gave verses yes, but you have not given consideration to the fact that their idea of judge is nothing like your idea of a judge. Their idea of a judge is a deliverer. Nathan's idea of a judge is someone you stand before and they sentence you guilty or innocent, and then executed the death penalty to those who are guilty. You have applied your idea of a judge onto their words.
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Post by Lee on Feb 9, 2024 21:35:10 GMT -5
Nathan did you know, our western culture, religious AND secular, are unreliable stars by which to interpret the Bible
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 21:37:29 GMT -5
You asked where does it says in the Bible Jesus as a Judge, Jury and executioner and I gave you verses to back it up! Your answer about some crazy idea about Old Testament judges… You gave verses yes, but you have not given consideration to the fact that their idea of judge is nothing like your idea of a judge. Their idea of a judge is a deliverer. Nathan's idea of a judge is someone you stand before and they sentence you guilty or innocent, and then executed the death penalty to those who are guilty. You have applied your idea of a judge onto their words. You are thinking of the Old Testament judges… I am showing you in the scriptures of what Jesus said about the New Testament believers Judges are going to be doing in the future sense. Your head is STUCK with the Old Testament Hebrews 4000 years old time line! Thinking and belief.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 9, 2024 21:47:35 GMT -5
I had been a worker, I have a little understanding the important reasons why God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit sent the 2x2s apostolic Itinerant ministry and the Sunday morning the way they sent them. I know how it works and the way they do things so, I share from their point of views…. About the Lord’s that was an sample prayer that the believers try to pray along that line NOT Verbatim words for words because that is repetitious vain prayer, the heart is not in it. A person can pray the Lord’s Prayer with his mouth but his mind is somewhere else. God wants our prayers from the hearts to Him. There are many good, god fearing workers and friends out there want to do what is Right before God, don’t throw the baby out with the dirty water, please. Jesus told us how to pray because a lot of us don’t know how to pray. We know what fake prayer is, but a lot of our hearts have grown cold. So Jesus told us to pray for his Thy kingdom to come, and for his will to be done. An eschatologically rich prayer. Meanwhile, the 2x2 together with majority Christian soteriology, press hard to get off the planet. Right now, the true believers are waiting for the New Resurrection bodies which God and Christ had promised to give us when Jesus returns to earth to established His Eternal kingdom on earth and throughout the trillions galaxies in the Universe for 1000 year! Read Rev. chapters 19-22. Then after 1000 years reign are finished then God and Christ will destroyed this earth planet, then God prepared a New heaven and earth where the Godhead= God the Father, Christ, the Holy Spirit, the good Holy angels of God, the billions SAVED intelligence beings, the immortal humans will live forever with God. Read Revelation 7:9-16.
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