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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 2, 2024 21:00:21 GMT -5
The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare. I expect you've never met anyone like him, either.
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Post by Admin on Jan 2, 2024 21:19:41 GMT -5
The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! I have historical documents to back it up. William Irvine wasn’t the One who came up with the idea himself! He copied Jesus Christ New Testament Matthew 10 and Luke 10 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry from the Faith Mission. The Faith Mission copied Matthew 10 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years who had practiced and followed Jesus Christ 2x2 Great Commission Matthew 28. Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and people have always existed on the earth since he started and found the ministry in 30 AD to our days. Welcome back Nate, stick to the topic of the Lord Jesus Christ on this main board, and you will be fine. As for Wm Irvine not being acknowledged as the founder of our F&W fellowship in Ireland in 1897, it's important for our credibility that we're honest and fully transparent. My uncle (worker) was honest with me when I discovered about Wm Irvine, he acknowledged Irvine as our founder with the comment "we trust Wm Irvine had a revelation from God". I appreciated he didn't lie or attempt a coverup, and as to whether there was revelation from God involved, we just watch as things unfold and will find our own answers to that. But all that has been revealed in 2023 starting with Dean Bruer, and every attempt at covering up our beginnings and inappropriate responses to CSA within the ministry do not augur well. Your line of reasoning of an unbroken "Matthew 10 style 2x2 apostolic ministry" involving the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years, is all very well as long as you acknowledge that scripturally (i.e. according to God's word, which is the only ultimate truth, not our ideas or even those of Wm Irvine), any particular form of ministry is just that, form which may be helpful or hindrance. Make it essential for salvation and you're out of line with scripture. All Christian denominations have some particular aspect of scripture that they hold important (i.e. particularly helpful) and have built their particular type or form of worship and church practices around. For example, the Methodists were big on method. Congregationalists presumably like to 'meet together' (congregate). Presbyterians celebrate election by grace (among other things). Catholics built a NT priesthood-style based on Peter. Lots of men's ideas in all those, some helpful but many more hindrance or just plain scripturally wrong. In Acts (in reality, the acts of the Holy Spirit) we find a freedom from form (helped by ditching "man's wisdom" and human ideas) and being led by God's very own Spirit. Many ways that God's work on earth is being accomplished, not just by 2x2 ministry (although that also, presumably where it is useful to God/Holy Spirit). Hymn - There Is A Redeemer (Keith Green)There is a Redeemer Jesus, God’s own Son Precious Lamb of God, Messiah Holy One Thank you, O my Father For giving us your Son And leaving your Spirit Till the work on earth is done
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Post by verna on Jan 2, 2024 21:21:02 GMT -5
In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare. I expect you've never met anyone like him, either. j This is bound to be entertaining. Glad rkathiest is here for this round! Never dreamt that 2024 would bring such intrigue!
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 2, 2024 21:45:58 GMT -5
The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! I have historical documents to back it up. William Irvine wasn’t the One who came up with the idea himself! He copied Jesus Christ New Testament Matthew 10 and Luke 10 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry from the Faith Mission. The Faith Mission copied Matthew 10 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years who had practiced and followed Jesus Christ 2x2 Great Commission Matthew 28. Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and people have always existed on the earth since he started and found the ministry in 30 AD to our days. Welcome back Nate, stick to the topic of the Lord Jesus Christ on this main board, and you will be fine. As for Wm Irvine not being acknowledged as the founder of our F&W fellowship in Ireland in 1897, it's important for our credibility that we're honest and fully transparent. My uncle (worker) was honest with me when I discovered about Wm Irvine, he acknowledged Irvine as our founder with the comment "we trust Wm Irvine had a revelation from God". I appreciated he didn't lie or attempt a coverup, and as to whether there was revelation from God involved, we just watch as things unfold and will find our own answers to that. But all that has been revealed in 2023 starting with Dean Bruer, and every attempt at covering up our beginnings and inappropriate responses to CSA within the ministry do not augur well. Your line of reasoning of an unbroken "Matthew 10 style 2x2 apostolic ministry" involving the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years, is all very well as long as you acknowledge that scripturally (i.e. according to God's word, which is the only ultimate truth, not our ideas or even those of Wm Irvine), any particular form of ministry is just that, form which may be helpful or hindrance. Make it essential for salvation and you're out of line with scripture. All Christian denominations have some particular aspect of scripture that they hold important (i.e. particularly helpful) and have built their particular type or form of worship and church practices around. For example, the Methodists were big on method. Congregationalists presumably like to 'meet together' (congregate). Presbyterians celebrate election by grace (among other things). Catholics built a NT priesthood-style based on Peter. Lots of men's ideas in all those, some helpful but many more hindrance or just plain scripturally wrong. In Acts (in reality, the acts of the Holy Spirit) we find a freedom from form (helped by ditching "man's wisdom" and human ideas) and being led by God's very own Spirit. Many ways that God's work on earth is being accomplished, not just by 2x2 ministry (although that also, presumably where it is useful to God/Holy Spirit). Hymn - There Is A Redeemer (Keith Green)There is a Redeemer Jesus, God’s own Son Precious Lamb of God, Messiah Holy One Thank you, O my Father For giving us your Son And leaving your Spirit Till the work on earth is done ~~ Thanks, Adm. don’t worry. You just make sure others don’t poke the bear and mention Valiant T. on the main board to get me banned by you again. If they mention VT to provoke me you should give them a stern warning so they can’t sneak by you again and get away with it over and over. I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. There are 3 sided to every story/history of 2x2 his/mine, her/Cherie K. And God’s side. I present THREE sides and let the readers draw their own Conclusion to which side they want to believe after they have seen all the facts, history documents, and scriptures from Jesus and the apostles teachings. This way I have all my bases are covered with sound teachings to back it up the stories of THREE sides.
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Welcome back. Thanks, Dan… I have always appreciate and enjoy reading your posts and replies on TMB. Your posts make a lot of sense and with the correct interpretations to back it up. Welcome back nathan....
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Post by Admin on Jan 2, 2024 22:07:29 GMT -5
~~ Thanks, Adm. don’t worry. You just make sure others don’t poke the bear and mention Valiant T. on the main board to get me banned by you again. If they mention VT to provoke me you should give them a stern warning so they can’t sneak by you again and get away with it over and over. I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. There are 3 sided to every story/history of 2x2 his/mine, her/Cherie K. And God’s side. I present THREE sides and let the readers draw their own Conclusion to which side they want to believe after they have seen all the facts, history documents, and scriptures to back it up the stories of THREE sides. Nate, you are deserving of grace. Your 'Nathan' account will be un-banned (just as soon as I figure out how to do it ). Regarding which of 3 (only 3?) sides of the story to believe, in reality there's only one side (God's) that is true, isn't there? "Man's wisdom leads into a maze And error grows in bypath ways" Proverbs 16:25 Don't worry, anyone "poking the bear" (as you put it!) will get their rightful comeuppance!
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 2, 2024 22:08:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Dan… I have always appreciate and enjoy reading your posts and replies on TMB. Your posts make a lot of sense and with the correct interpretations to back it up. Welcome back nathan.... ~~ Good to be back my Old friend! Thanks, for being a true and faithful friend.
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 2, 2024 22:21:30 GMT -5
~~ Thanks, Adm. don’t worry. You just make sure others don’t poke the bear and mention Valiant T. on the main board to get me banned by you again. If they mention VT to provoke me you should give them a stern warning so they can’t sneak by you again and get away with it over and over. I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. There are 3 sided to every story/history of 2x2 his/mine, her/Cherie K. And God’s side. I present THREE sides and let the readers draw their own Conclusion to which side they want to believe after they have seen all the facts, history documents, and scriptures to back it up the stories of THREE sides. Nate, you are deserving of grace. Your 'Nathan' account will be un-banned (just as soon as I figure out how to do it ). Regarding which of 3 (only 3?) sides of the story to believe, in reality there's only one side (God's) that is true, isn't there? "Man's wisdom leads into a maze And error grows in bypath ways" Proverbs 16:25 Don't worry, anyone "poking the bear" (as you put it!) will get their rightful comeuppance! ~~~ You are so awesome! We want this TMB to be a friendly site where the 2x2s, the workers, exes, atheists, Christians, Cooneyites/Maryh Buddhists, Muslims and all religions come and have a good, mature discussion who are our Creators and what and where they want us to spend for eternity because we are CREATED in Their Image and Likeness! Jesus said to the Jews and us “Ye are gods!” God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit CREATED us in Theirs Image and Likeness. Amen! To that God’s side is the MOST Important part of 3 sides. I will try to focus mostly on God’s side and His True followers side. Only God’s side, Divine Love, Grace, compassion and Mercy can heal the broken hearts and like our beloved victims of CSA around the world. Thanks again Adm.
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Post by Admin on Jan 2, 2024 22:22:32 GMT -5
I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. As far as I can see, your 'Nathan' account should also be working OK now. If not, let me know and I'll look further. BTW, I see Nathan is 'Platinum'. That gives you special privileges, including access to the exclusive TMB Lounge. You just have to find the Lounge first...
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 2, 2024 22:33:48 GMT -5
I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. As far as I can see, your 'Nathan' account should also be working OK now. If not, let me know and I'll look further. BTW, I see Nathan is 'Platinum'. That gives you special privileges, including access to the exclusive TMB Lounge. You just have to find the Lounge first... Hahaha, you are so kind. Maybe all of us TMB Posters can sit down and have good meals together some day and laugh about all the fists fights, kick boxing matches, poking in the eyes we have on here.
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 2, 2024 22:41:06 GMT -5
I have another account goes by the name of Nathan which you banned also 1 year ago. You banned both of my accounts Nathan and Nathan2. I used nathan2 account on my iPhone after I leave the house. I use Nathan account on my main computer after I get home from work. You lift the ban ONLY nathan2 my iPhone account but NOT Nathan account at home. Can you lift the ban on Nathan at home account, please. Right now the Nathan account it says pending Staff approval. Can you take a look at my Nathan account and lift the ban. Thanks, you so much. As far as I can see, your 'Nathan' account should also be working OK now. If not, let me know and I'll look further. BTW, I see Nathan is 'Platinum'. That gives you special privileges, including access to the exclusive TMB Lounge. You just have to find the Lounge first... It’s NOT working! Whatever you did you banned me for good. Try a few more times if NOT I just start another account by the name Nathan10 or something if you don’t mind to approve it. Thanks, again. . Right now I am using Nathan1234 new account and it says Pending Staff approval. Can you take a look and just leave Nathan account as inactive so, I can SAVE a lot of important historical documents information which I have collected and saved for over 45 years.
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Post by Dan on Jan 3, 2024 1:08:38 GMT -5
I don't think we totally disagree, I understand that a person who lives for heavenly things and after the teachings of Jesus, has the Kingdom of God in their hearts. But technically, heaven is not here yet. This has yet to occur; "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)
Yes he did, and what do you see revelation 21:2 to mean? And, Jesus also said the following to Nethanael. John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. How do you see that?
Revelation 21:2 is a time after judgement when the New Jerusalem will descend down upon the earth. The 3rd verse explains it, "God’s dwelling place (in heaven) is now among the people, and he will dwell with them" (NIV).
I believe John 1:51 was a reference to Genesis 28:13-14, "And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest". The angels of God ascending and descending was likely referring to the history of Jacob. It is not probable that Jesus referred to any particular instance in which Nathanael literally saw the heavens opened.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 3, 2024 2:32:52 GMT -5
Yes he did, and what do you see revelation 21:2 to mean? And, Jesus also said the following to Nethanael. John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. How do you see that?
Revelation 21:2 is a time after judgement when the New Jerusalem will descend down upon the earth. The 3rd verse explains it, "God’s dwelling place (in heaven) is now among the people, and he will dwell with them" (NIV).
I believe John 1:51 was a reference to Genesis 28:13-14, "And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest". The angels of God ascending and descending was likely referring to the history of Jacob. It is not probable that Jesus referred to any particular instance in which Nathanael literally saw the heavens opened.
Why would he be referencing genesis seeing as he said "from now on YOU WILL SEE to Nathaniel?" he was talking about at that time. Sorry caps for emphasis.
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Post by Annan on Jan 3, 2024 7:45:19 GMT -5
Why do you ask that? I'm just curious thanks Maryh, she is playing her sillies games again by poking the bear so the Adm. will ban me again. She is up to no good with her sillies games again! She is BAD to the bones. Oh I have no doubt you will get yourself banned again without me.
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Post by nathan2 on Jan 3, 2024 11:54:18 GMT -5
Maryh, she is playing her sillies games again by poking the bear so the Adm. will ban me again. She is up to no good with her sillies games again! She is BAD to the bones. Oh I have no doubt you will get yourself banned again without me. You and your buddies on here better Watch your steps, the Adm. is Watching like a hawk for your silly games on here and will put a STOP to it, getting people ban from posting almost DESTROY this dead board. Did you read his post? So, I wouldn’t push your luck if I were you. So, you and your buddies better behave yourselves…. Just saying.
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2024 13:27:21 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, welcome back and Happy New Year! The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. It's good to see some overseers are stepping up. Most of them seem to be saying things are just fine, business as usual. I don't understand it. Keep up the fight Nathan, the children need people to fight for them.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 3, 2024 16:03:01 GMT -5
The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. It's good to see some overseers are stepping up. Most of them seem to be saying things are just fine, business as usual. I don't understand it. Keep up the fight Nathan, the children need people to fight for them. We now have a new overseer in our country, as the transitional phase has ended. There are some signs of increasing action on this front, as the previous regime tended to have a bit of the "deer in the headlights" syndrome, and struggled to communicate effectively.
A shortage of workers, though, tends to prevent the oversight from shedding some workers who should probably have been put out to pasture, for a variety of reasons.
What I see as important too is getting the Friends to view CSA, and SA as it should be viewed, and not just mid-deeds of a few. And as it the whole issue flusheds out deceptions about the beginnings, they need to accept it, and hold the workers to account for participating in the deception.
Accountability for finance, and transparency is also a requirement. If it is good enough for other churches, and other groups where money is donated, it is good enough for the 2*2 church, which by the way appears to have an official name registered now. Undenominational Christians (The Truth), or similar.
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2024 18:52:20 GMT -5
It's good to see some overseers are stepping up. Most of them seem to be saying things are just fine, business as usual. I don't understand it. Keep up the fight Nathan, the children need people to fight for them. We now have a new overseer in our country, as the transitional phase has ended. There are some signs of increasing action on this front, as the previous regime tended to have a bit of the "deer in the headlights" syndrome, and struggled to communicate effectively.
A shortage of workers, though, tends to prevent the oversight from shedding some workers who should probably have been put out to pasture, for a variety of reasons. What I see as important too is getting the Friends to view CSA, and SA as it should be viewed, and not just mid-deeds of a few. And as it the whole issue flusheds out deceptions about the beginnings, they need to accept it, and hold the workers to account for participating in the deception. Accountability for finance, and transparency is also a requirement. If it is good enough for other churches, and other groups where money is donated, it is good enough for the 2*2 church, which by the way appears to have an official name registered now. Undenominational Christians (The Truth), or similar. It's so good to hear of progress. I know these things move slowly but it's frustrating when it feels like many of the overseers are just ignoring it because they either don't want to deal with it or don't know how. The Alberta overseer wrote a letter that there was no crisis and everything was just fine. Everything is not just fine and I don't know what bubble he lives in. It's also good to recognize that it isn't just CSA/SA that needs to be addressed. There is emotional and spiritual abuse happening and there is also the transparency of funds. I know that some of the friends don't want policies put in place, but I think it's time for the people still in the fellowship to pick up the ball and create a way to deal with survivors, fund them in their recovery etc. Knowing how much money the workers really have would be a step in that direction. At the moment the friends giving money to the workers to give to the survivors isn't trustworthy. They get to decide if the survivor is worthy of it in the first place and since there is no accounting of what has been given there is no way to keep track of what the survivors get or if the workers are just pocketing it.
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Post by Dan on Jan 3, 2024 22:31:53 GMT -5
Revelation 21:2 is a time after judgement when the New Jerusalem will descend down upon the earth. The 3rd verse explains it, "God’s dwelling place (in heaven) is now among the people, and he will dwell with them" (NIV).
I believe John 1:51 was a reference to Genesis 28:13-14, "And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest". The angels of God ascending and descending was likely referring to the history of Jacob. It is not probable that Jesus referred to any particular instance in which Nathanael literally saw the heavens opened.
Why would he be referencing genesis seeing as he said "from now on YOU WILL SEE to Nathaniel?" he was talking about at that time. Sorry caps for emphasis.
Who was at the top of Jacob's ladder? To me, "The heavens open up" is sort of a metaphysical Hebraism, a figurative expression meaning something spiritual descending from the third heaven. Neither Nathanael or any of the other disciples literally saw heaven open up, but were given a vision of spiritual things, as the prophet said "The heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God" (Ezekiel 1:1). The authority given to Jesus came from heaven, as did he.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 1:45:05 GMT -5
Why would he be referencing genesis seeing as he said "from now on YOU WILL SEE to Nathaniel?" he was talking about at that time. Sorry caps for emphasis.
Who was at the top of Jacob's ladder? To me, "The heavens open up" is sort of a metaphysical Hebraism, a figurative expression meaning something spiritual descending from the third heaven. Neither Nathanael or any of the other disciples literally saw heaven open up, but were given a vision of spiritual things, as the prophet said "The heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God" (Ezekiel 1:1). The authority given to Jesus came from heaven, as did he.
The heavens opened up, says it all. Nathanael would be given understanding to understand the things of God. The heavens would be opened up to him so that he could see the angels ascending and descending, Nathaniel would see spiritual things, he would receive revelation from God. It's like when Mary realised it wasn't the gardener it was Christ Jesus, when she heard his voice in the gardener. The men on the road to Emmaus saw the same, they didn't know Jesus but once Jesus broke the bread they did. And the disciples, on the boat they saw the same when Jesus was on the shore preparing the fish and bread once they heard his voice and obeyed his word they knew him. Jesus was holden from them all until their eyes were opened by God. Just like Peter, when Jesus said to him, "and who do you say that I am" and Peter replied, "you are the Christ, the son of the living God" God opened the understanding of Peter, and opened his eyes so that he could see. And Jesus then said to Peter "flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto you, but my father which is in heaven" Peter received revelation from God. Nathanael too would have the understanding to see greater things, see more than just the man Jesus he would see the Christ, the son of the living God and the Spirit of God descending upon him. He would see the things of God from heaven, and given the understanding from God to do so. And why? Because he had no guile, his heart was right to receive these things and he believed that Jesus was the son of the living God. The seed fell on the good soft ground of Nathaniels heart. Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
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