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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 1, 2024 21:00:09 GMT -5
If Christmas was all about your jesus then these verses of hate that he spoke come to mind. Luke 14.26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. There you have it. Your god of love promotes hate and division. What kind of person would lap that up? It's hate the sin, not the person. How many people hate themselves? Most people love themselves and put themselves first. It's hating the sin with ourselves and others. And it's putting God first before everyone else in our lives including ourselves. You can hate with a perfect hate, and that's to hate with love. Love the person hate the sin, including in ourselves. Nowhere in those verses I quoted is sin mentioned. Valiant effort though.
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Post by Dan on Jan 1, 2024 21:05:57 GMT -5
The indwelling of the H.S. does not put us in heaven. Jesus even said that his Kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36). He also said that no one has ascended up to heaven (John 3:13). The H.S is everywhere, its not confined to heaven, nor does it bring paradise to you. e.g; If someone from Kansas stays at your house, it doesn't mean that your in Kansas. No sin is allowed in heaven, we as sinners are not there yet. The H.S is more less a Comforter that's helps us live in the spirit to battle against opposing spirits, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". (Ephesians 6:12)
Happy New Year
No Jesus's kingdom isn't of this world because this world belongs to the prince of this world, Satan, the devil. But heaven is in the heart of those who belong to God, Jesus himself said that the kingdom of God is within you, so if the kingdom of God is within us, then heaven is in our hearts. And if Satan is the prince of this world then hell is here. Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree regarding heaven and hell. Happy new year to you too 😊
I don't think we totally disagree, I understand that a person who lives for heavenly things and after the teachings of Jesus, has the Kingdom of God in their hearts. But technically, heaven is not here yet. This has yet to occur; "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2024 21:40:19 GMT -5
No Jesus's kingdom isn't of this world because this world belongs to the prince of this world, Satan, the devil. But heaven is in the heart of those who belong to God, Jesus himself said that the kingdom of God is within you, so if the kingdom of God is within us, then heaven is in our hearts. And if Satan is the prince of this world then hell is here. Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree regarding heaven and hell. Happy new year to you too 😊
I don't think we totally disagree, I understand that a person who lives for heavenly things and after the teachings of Jesus, has the Kingdom of God in their hearts. But technically, heaven is not here yet. This has yet to occur; "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)
Too many heavens. I'll wait for heaven #4 - Heaven in you - Heaven #1 - Heaven #2 - Heaven #3 Revelation 21:1-2 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
2 Corinthians 12:2 kjv "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2024 1:25:26 GMT -5
If Christmas was all about your jesus then these verses of hate that he spoke come to mind. Luke 14.26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. There you have it. Your god of love promotes hate and division. What kind of person would lap that up? I like the NIV translation which said LOVE LESS not Hate! That is a cross all apostles and true followers of Jesus MUST face when it comes between doing and choosing God’s will, plans or choices to make in life. The true believers must choose or put God’s will and choice before ANYONE, fathers, mothers, wives, families or anything in life. Only God, Christ and the Holy Spirit give us the strength, the power, the joy, the inner peace and great blessings when we put them first before anyone or anything. most humans relationship, choices and decisions on earth must end at the grave because bring no eternal blessings in the next world. That is why people and followers of Jesus MUST choose and LOVE God’s will and plans before theirs own will and their love ones, which bring ETERNAL Blessings throughout eternity. It was your choice to stay working at your petrol station instead of going to meetings. Do you think that Luke 14.26 does not apply to you?
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 4:12:33 GMT -5
No Jesus's kingdom isn't of this world because this world belongs to the prince of this world, Satan, the devil. But heaven is in the heart of those who belong to God, Jesus himself said that the kingdom of God is within you, so if the kingdom of God is within us, then heaven is in our hearts. And if Satan is the prince of this world then hell is here. Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree regarding heaven and hell. Happy new year to you too 😊
I don't think we totally disagree, I understand that a person who lives for heavenly things and after the teachings of Jesus, has the Kingdom of God in their hearts. But technically, heaven is not here yet. This has yet to occur; "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)
Yes he did, and what do you see revelation 21:2 to mean? And, Jesus also said the following to Nethanael. John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. How do you see that?
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 4:14:06 GMT -5
It's hate the sin, not the person. How many people hate themselves? Most people love themselves and put themselves first. It's hating the sin with ourselves and others. And it's putting God first before everyone else in our lives including ourselves. You can hate with a perfect hate, and that's to hate with love. Love the person hate the sin, including in ourselves. Nowhere in those verses I quoted is sin mentioned. Valiant effort though. Blimey, for a minute I thought you said valiant Thor then, now I know Nathan is back.. But... 😄 So how many people would hate themselves? Come on curly he doesn't mean hating the person it's what's within us.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 4:14:47 GMT -5
Thanks, it’s good to be back. Yes, everything is going great for me and my family. Have you wife and son professed yet? Why do you ask that? I'm just curious thanks
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 4:18:09 GMT -5
I don't think we totally disagree, I understand that a person who lives for heavenly things and after the teachings of Jesus, has the Kingdom of God in their hearts. But technically, heaven is not here yet. This has yet to occur; "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)
Too many heavens. I'll wait for heaven #4 - Heaven in you - Heaven #1 - Heaven #2 - Heaven #3 Revelation 21:1-2 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
2 Corinthians 12:2 kjv "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
I was thinking all about this yesterday 😊
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Post by Annan on Jan 2, 2024 5:34:56 GMT -5
Have you wife and son professed yet? Why do you ask that? I'm just curious thanks Because he's always telling us how wrong we are and how right he is while his wife and son do not profess or believe his rhetoric. He says they have to make their own choice, yet is seems he has no trouble browbeating us. Seems there are two standards.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 6:57:58 GMT -5
Why do you ask that? I'm just curious thanks Because he's always telling us how wrong we are and how right he is while his wife and son do not profess or believe his rhetoric. He says they have to make their own choice, yet is seems he has no trouble browbeating us. Seems there are two standards. Ah I see, thank you 😊
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Have you wife and son professed yet? Why do you ask that? I'm just curious thanks Maryh, she is playing her sillies games again by poking the bear so the Adm. will ban me again. She is up to no good with her sillies games again! She is BAD to the bones.
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I like the NIV translation which said LOVE LESS not Hate! That is a cross all apostles and true followers of Jesus MUST face when it comes between doing and choosing God’s will, plans or choices to make in life. The true believers must choose or put God’s will and choice before ANYONE, fathers, mothers, wives, families or anything in life. Only God, Christ and the Holy Spirit give us the strength, the power, the joy, the inner peace and great blessings when we put them first before anyone or anything. most humans relationship, choices and decisions on earth must end at the grave because bring no eternal blessings in the next world. That is why people and followers of Jesus MUST choose and LOVE God’s will and plans before theirs own will and their love ones, which bring ETERNAL Blessings throughout eternity. It was your choice to stay working at your petrol station instead of going to meetings. Do you think that Luke 14.26 does not apply to you? Where have you been living under a Rock? I have attended meetings over a year now, Sunday off. The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! I have historical documents to back it up. William Irvine wasn’t the One who came up with the idea himself! He copied Jesus Christ New Testament Matthew 10 and Luke 10 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry from the Faith Mission. The Faith Mission copied Matthew 10 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years who had practiced and followed Jesus Christ 2x2 Great Commission Matthew 28. Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and people have always existed on the earth since he started and found the ministry in 30 AD to our days. Read Rev. chapter 11 about God and Christ 2and2 apostolic ministry and Read Rev. 12 how God preserve His True Church through ALL of the tribulation to the time of Jesus RETURNS! That could be any time now. This way in the judgment day, you and those like you will have no excusing by saying Nobody cares about us and tell us about these truths.
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Because he's always telling us how wrong we are and how right he is while his wife and son do not profess or believe his rhetoric. He says they have to make their own choice, yet is seems he has no trouble browbeating us. Seems there are two standards. Ah I see, thank you 😊 As the saying goes You can lead a horse to the river/water but you can’t force it to drink. The choice is theirs to make where they want to spend for Eternity heaven or in the lake of fire with Satan and fallen angels that is for God and Christ to decide. I am just a messenger! Please, don’t shoot the messenger. I told my wife and son like many professing parents do with their children. Many of professing children don’t want God in theirs lives so they just pray that God will help them to come to their senses. Salvation or entering heaven comes ONLY believing, accepting and obeying in Jesus Christ teachings. I am NOT the Savior, it’s Jesus who died for our sins and ONLY Him can save them and us.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 2, 2024 10:02:06 GMT -5
The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare.
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The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare.
And you don’t know much about me do you? I have been posting on this board for over 20 years. I read your posts and your background. Sure I go to the atheists board and we can go a few rounds. Just post or ask any questions and we can start it over there. I am a 2x2 for 45 years. I was a 2x2 worker from 1986-93 in Oregon, Montana, Wy. I was born and raise in Saigon, Vietnam 1960 background ancestor worship, a Catholic, a Buddhist, Pentecost and now a 2x2.., So, feel free to ask any question about religions, Roman Catholic or Protestants history or about the 2x2 belief/history, CSA and so on..,
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 10:32:48 GMT -5
The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare.
Play? The things of God aren't to be played with or mocked.
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In that case, you are on the wrong board. Come see me. I have been a member here since Oct. 22nd. professing.proboards.com/post/1060677/threadI bet you have never met anyone like me before. Come to the "Religions, debates, atheist playground, cults" Board and we can play. If you dare. Play? The things of God aren't to be played with or mocked. That is OK…. At least we can share God’s love for him, to let him know he is created in God, Christ, and Holy Spirit image likeness NOT the apes DNA like Curly believes he is from the Apes family. God wants him to rule with Christ through out the Universe with the true believers for 1000 years when he comes again soon.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2024 13:16:37 GMT -5
It was your choice to stay working at your petrol station instead of going to meetings. Do you think that Luke 14.26 does not apply to you? Where have you been living under a Rock? I have attended meetings over a year now, Sunday off. The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! I have historical documents to back it up. William Irvine wasn’t the One who came up with the idea himself! He copied Jesus Christ New Testament Matthew 10 and Luke 10 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry from the Faith Mission. The Faith Mission copied Matthew 10 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years who had practiced and followed Jesus Christ 2x2 Great Commission Matthew 28. Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and people have always existed on the earth since he started and found the ministry in 30 AD to our days. Read Rev. chapter 11 about God and Christ 2and2 apostolic ministry and Read Rev. 12 how God preserve His True Church through ALL of the tribulation to the time of Jesus RETURNS! That could be any time now. This way in the judgment day, you and those like you will have no excusing by saying Nobody cares about us and tell us about these truths. Admin covered you in rocks for a year so there was no posts from you telling us how wonderful you are. I don't read minds or prophecy the future as I leave that to christians and other charlatans.
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Where have you been living under a Rock? I have attended meetings over a year now, Sunday off. The last 30 years, I have attended off and on meetings so, I can inform, educate and help people like you former 2x2s, atheists, 2x2s about God and Holy Spirit have raising and sending men and women to carry on Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic ministry and Fellowship for centuries! I have historical documents to back it up. William Irvine wasn’t the One who came up with the idea himself! He copied Jesus Christ New Testament Matthew 10 and Luke 10 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry from the Faith Mission. The Faith Mission copied Matthew 10 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Vaudois/Waldenses and those like them for 1800 years who had practiced and followed Jesus Christ 2x2 Great Commission Matthew 28. Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and people have always existed on the earth since he started and found the ministry in 30 AD to our days. Read Rev. chapter 11 about God and Christ 2and2 apostolic ministry and Read Rev. 12 how God preserve His True Church through ALL of the tribulation to the time of Jesus RETURNS! That could be any time now. This way in the judgment day, you and those like you will have no excusing by saying Nobody cares about us and tell us about these truths. Admin covered you in rocks for a year so there was no posts from you telling us how wonderful you are. I don't read minds or prophecy the future as I leave that to christians and other charlatans. It was a great BLESSING to have a year break from posting on the Wild Wild West TMB after 20 plus years posting. I had a lot of things accomplished during the year, we moved to our 4 bedrooms 3 full baths house. Attending meetings on Sunday, gospel meetings, union meetings and so on. Time with family. By the way, my son gave us a New 2024 ES Luxury Lexus for the New year! Job said After his tests and trials I shall come forth as gold. God blessed Job with many blessings after he glorified God’s through his difficult tests and trails. S0, I say it has been a wonderful year of rewards and blessings wouldn’t you say? God is awesome and He takes good care for those who LOVE him. He cares for ALL not just to those who love Him and His Son/Jesus. Like one of our hymns say IT PAYS to SERVE Jesus here on earth and throughout Eternity.
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2024 14:09:50 GMT -5
Welcome back Nathan, long time since we've seen you, hope you're ok 😊👋 Thanks, it’s good to be back. Yes, everything is going great for me and my family. Hi Nathan, welcome back and Happy New Year!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2024 14:48:32 GMT -5
Admin covered you in rocks for a year so there was no posts from you telling us how wonderful you are. I don't read minds or prophecy the future as I leave that to christians and other charlatans. It was a great BLESSING to have a year break from posting on the Wild Wild West TMB after 20 plus years posting. I had a lot of things accomplished during the year, we moved to our 4 bedrooms 3 full baths house. Attending meetings on Sunday, gospel meetings, union meetings and so on. Time with family. By the way, my son gave us a New 2024 ES Luxury Lexus for the New year! Job said After his tests and trials I shall come forth as gold. God blessed Job with many blessings after he glorified God’s through his difficult tests and trails. S0, I say it has been a wonderful year of rewards and blessings wouldn’t you say? God is awesome and He takes good care for those who LOVE him. He cares for ALL not just to those who love Him and His Son/Jesus. Like one of our hymns say IT PAYS to SERVE Jesus here on earth and throughout Eternity. That's a valiant effort your son made.
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Thanks, it’s good to be back. Yes, everything is going great for me and my family. Hi Nathan, welcome back and Happy New Year! The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 17:18:31 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, welcome back and Happy New Year! The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. What? It's been going on for 25 years and nothing has been done about it?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2024 20:17:46 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, welcome back and Happy New Year! The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. Why are you so surprised about the CSA and SA? You were telling us about it years ago.
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Post by Admin on Jan 2, 2024 20:41:03 GMT -5
What? It's been going on for 25 years and nothing has been done about it? Longer.
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The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. Why are you so surprised about the CSA and SA? You were telling us about it years ago. ~~ I didn’t KNOW HOW bad CSA had SPREAD AROUND THE world. I didn’t know it was a great Crisis within the ministry until Dean B. Incident. Well, God and Christ SAW and KNEW the global CSA epidemic Within the ministry clear than I did. They stepped in and exposed with hope to eradicate from the ministry and the fellowship.
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What? It's been going on for 25 years and nothing has been done about it? Longer. It has gone back perhaps 100s years or longer.
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The Adm. banned me a year but he allowed me to read the message board as Guest so, I have been reading most of the readers posts. Wow! The CSA and Dean B. Scandals broke wide opened after I was banned. I am so glad that the Oregon overseer just posted a CSA Guideline for the workers, elders, and the friends to know, aware and report to the authority ASAP. Things are moving in the right direction these days on CSA and others issues they must deal with. My older companion, myself and some of the friends tried to Inform, Educate and Warn the ministry and the friends on CSA and similar issues on TMB 23 years. Good to see the ministry got a WAKE UP CALLS! And now they are going to have NO tolerance CSA policy within the ministry and fellowship. They should have done this 25 years ago. It could have save thousands children of the friends lives. What? It's been going on for 25 years and nothing has been done about it? ~~~ CSA was a taboo subject for MANY centuries hardly anyone talked about it and if you did talk to people, they think you are making up stories to harm/destroy their reputations and characters. If the world didn’t talk about CSA in 1980s surely those in the 2x2s sect will be the last group of Christians to talk about it publicly and openly! If it wasn’t for Dean B. Incident most of the overseers, senior workers will NOT tackle CSA problems and issues for years to come. The 2x2s are too naive, good hearted people don’t believe the workers, the church elders and the friends are capable that kind of evil behavior.
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