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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 18:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 18:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 18:18:15 GMT -5
"An Israeli minister has boasted of being "proud" of the destruction unleashed on Gaza by Israeli forces, in the latest extremist and dehumanising remarks by Israeli senior officials about Palestinians. "I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza, and that every baby, even 80 years from now, will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did," she said at a Knesset hearing about the motion to expel MK Ofer Cassif for his support of South Africa’s case against Israel at the International Court of Justice."link
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 18:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 24, 2024 18:59:03 GMT -5
The only way forward would be for the UN which created this mess to put an international force in Palestine and force the Israelis back to the 1947 boundaries. Even better if they sent them back to Europe. |
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 19:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 19:12:31 GMT -5
The only way forward would be for the UN which created this mess to put an international force in Palestine and force the Israelis back to the 1947 boundaries. Even better if they sent them back to Europe. There are lots of nice homes in the West Bank built and occupied by the settlers. One could give those homes to those displaced in Gaza so they would have a place to live. Seems like a good trade up to me, but it probably will never happen. There is a big gap between the views of USA Jews and the Israeli Jews on Palestine. U.S. Jews have widely differing views on Israel |
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2024 19:54:33 GMT -5
The only way forward would be for the UN which created this mess to put an international force in Palestine and force the Israelis back to the 1947 boundaries. Even better if they sent them back to Europe. You can't undo history. How would you like everyone of Irish descent to be sent back to Ireland? You're forgetting that a lot of Jews were expelled from the Muslim world. It was simply a land swap. Jewish exodus from the Muslim world
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2024 19:59:03 GMT -5
The only way forward would be for the UN which created this mess to put an international force in Palestine How about an international force in Ukraine? Actually, a big part of the problem in the Middle East is UN agencies siding with Palestinian fighters. |
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 20:36:26 GMT -5
Once the child has been born all the pro lifers that support no gun regulations seem to forget all about saving the lives of children. In many cases on a legislative level, you're very right. On a personal level however, many pro-life Christians are very active in supporting children in a variety of ways. Christians are 2x more likely to adopt a child than other religious or non-affiliated persons. Men are more likely to adopt than women. And Caucasians are more likely to adopt than any other racial group. ( adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most ). So if one adds it all together using the 'group identity' model, the "toxic white Christian males" care more about unwanted children after they're born than any other group. That's on a personal, individual level of course. And Christians are 50% more likely to foster children, more likely to foster children with special needs, and the children in their care stay with them on average 2.5x longer before being moved. reasons.org/explore/blogs/voices/a-response-to-the-objection-that-christians-are-pro-birth-not-pro-life------------- On a legislative level though, programs that are meant to increase resources for groups which include children in need are generally more supported by the left than the right. So there's a bit of a balance. This is likely true. I know my Baptist family definitely foster. My birth mom had fostered 97 children over all the years she fostered. I never put that down to being a Christian and more a way to make up for giving me up, but maybe it was a combination of that? My one sister has also fostered all her life and she's definitely a evangelical devotee. |
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 20:50:12 GMT -5
You hear a lot of that rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth at the moment too. Many Americans are proud to be racists too. I think it's ironic that if she lived in the US she would be the one someone would be saying racist things about. All a matter of perspective isn't it.  |
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2024 20:58:19 GMT -5
You hear a lot of that rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth at the moment too. Many Americans are proud to be racists too. I think it's ironic that if she lived in the US she would be the one someone would be saying racist things about. All a matter of perspective isn't it. The Abrahamic religions have built in racism. Tribalism and racism are cut from the same cloth. The concept of a “Chosen people” creates otherness. |
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 21:07:15 GMT -5
You hear a lot of that rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth at the moment too. Many Americans are proud to be racists too. I think it's ironic that if she lived in the US she would be the one someone would be saying racist things about. All a matter of perspective isn't it. The Abrahamic religions have built in racism. Tribalism and racism are cut from the same cloth. The concept of a “Chosen people” creates otherness. So true. That was the justification among Christians that owned slaves. The bible allowed it so it much be okay. What I find ironic is that it's the Hebrews that were the chosen ones and not a bunch of white guys who think they are superior to every other race on earth. They even think they are superior to the Jewish people who are the original chosen ones. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 25, 2024 10:44:03 GMT -5
Ethnology is the anthropological study of culture. We’re blessed to have such a study in the Bible, for it reveals a model of a man who will endure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 21:43:53 GMT -5
The Abrahamic religions have built in racism. Tribalism and racism are cut from the same cloth. The concept of a “Chosen people” creates otherness. So true. That was the justification among Christians that owned slaves. The bible allowed it so it much be okay. What I find ironic is that it's the Hebrews that were the chosen ones and not a bunch of white guys who think they are superior to every other race on earth. They even think they are superior to the Jewish people who are the original chosen ones. And yet, it was a non-religious slave trader who saw the light, converted to Christianity, and dedicated the rest of his life to abolishing slavery. And gave the religion arguably its most beloved hymn, Amazing Grace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_GraceLikewise, it was the fundamentalist Christian group known as the Quakers who first as a group condemned slavery in the new world on the grounds of it being "un-Christian". Slavery was practiced for all of human history amongst all cultures, but the abolition movements were a marriage of protestant Christian and secular human rights based movements. Certainly there are texts in the Bible that can just as easily be used to justify slavery, and I'm confident that if a person removed religious thought altogether, there would still be slavery and the abolition of it in a purely secular light. But although it's undeniable that religious people under the pretext of their respective faiths have committed awful things, I don't see it quite as black and white. If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. |
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2024 13:00:24 GMT -5
So true. That was the justification among Christians that owned slaves. The bible allowed it so it much be okay. What I find ironic is that it's the Hebrews that were the chosen ones and not a bunch of white guys who think they are superior to every other race on earth. They even think they are superior to the Jewish people who are the original chosen ones. And yet, it was a non-religious slave trader who saw the light, converted to Christianity, and dedicated the rest of his life to abolishing slavery. And gave the religion arguably its most beloved hymn, Amazing Grace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_GraceLikewise, it was the fundamentalist Christian group known as the Quakers who first as a group condemned slavery in the new world on the grounds of it being "un-Christian". Slavery was practiced for all of human history amongst all cultures, but the abolition movements were a marriage of protestant Christian and secular human rights based movements. Certainly there are texts in the Bible that can just as easily be used to justify slavery, and I'm confident that if a person removed religious thought altogether, there would still be slavery and the abolition of it in a purely secular light. But although it's undeniable that religious people under the pretext of their respective faiths have committed awful things, I don't see it quite as black and white. If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. I think to place all Christians under the 'evangelical/fundamentalist' umbrella is just not accurate. Many Christians did oppose slavery, you are right. I need to be more careful and more specified as to what kind of Christians justify slavery because of their interpretation of the bible. |
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Post by matisse on Feb 26, 2024 13:30:14 GMT -5
In many cases on a legislative level, you're very right. On a personal level however, many pro-life Christians are very active in supporting children in a variety of ways. Christians are 2x more likely to adopt a child than other religious or non-affiliated persons. Men are more likely to adopt than women. And Caucasians are more likely to adopt than any other racial group. ( adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most ). So if one adds it all together using the 'group identity' model, the "toxic white Christian males" care more about unwanted children after they're born than any other group. That's on a personal, individual level of course. And Christians are 50% more likely to foster children, more likely to foster children with special needs, and the children in their care stay with them on average 2.5x longer before being moved. reasons.org/explore/blogs/voices/a-response-to-the-objection-that-christians-are-pro-birth-not-pro-life------------- On a legislative level though, programs that are meant to increase resources for groups which include children in need are generally more supported by the left than the right. So there's a bit of a balance. This is likely true. I know my Baptist family definitely foster. My birth mom had fostered 97 children over all the years she fostered. I never put that down to being a Christian and more a way to make up for giving me up, but maybe it was a combination of that? My one sister has also fostered all her life and she's definitely a evangelical devotee. I havent looked at the statistics to see how they are reported. I know many LGBTQ families who have fostered and adopted kids - some with significant needs. I fostered and remain a source of support to the two siblings who spent time (3 years and 2.5 years) in my home when they were little. |
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Post by Annan on Feb 26, 2024 14:11:57 GMT -5
If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. I'm quoting you in my sig ling. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 26, 2024 15:53:20 GMT -5
This interview with Netanyahu makes Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin look incredibly lame...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 16:43:30 GMT -5
If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. I'm quoting you in my sig ling. cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 16:47:20 GMT -5
This is likely true. I know my Baptist family definitely foster. My birth mom had fostered 97 children over all the years she fostered. I never put that down to being a Christian and more a way to make up for giving me up, but maybe it was a combination of that? My one sister has also fostered all her life and she's definitely a evangelical devotee. I havent looked at the statistics to see how they are reported. I know many LGBTQ families who have fostered and adopted kids - some with significant needs. I fostered and remain a source of support to the two siblings who spent time (3 years and 2.5 years) in my home when they were little. And to further your point, it is very possible (in fact almost certain) that many agencies have biases against same sex couples adopting and give preferential treatment to heterosexual couples. Which might lead in part to the stats I cited. Which is wrong in its own right. Two or one loving parent(s), no matter what orientation, is a blessing that every child deserves. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 16:52:42 GMT -5
And yet, it was a non-religious slave trader who saw the light, converted to Christianity, and dedicated the rest of his life to abolishing slavery. And gave the religion arguably its most beloved hymn, Amazing Grace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_GraceLikewise, it was the fundamentalist Christian group known as the Quakers who first as a group condemned slavery in the new world on the grounds of it being "un-Christian". Slavery was practiced for all of human history amongst all cultures, but the abolition movements were a marriage of protestant Christian and secular human rights based movements. Certainly there are texts in the Bible that can just as easily be used to justify slavery, and I'm confident that if a person removed religious thought altogether, there would still be slavery and the abolition of it in a purely secular light. But although it's undeniable that religious people under the pretext of their respective faiths have committed awful things, I don't see it quite as black and white. If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. I think to place all Christians under the 'evangelical/fundamentalist' umbrella is just not accurate. Many Christians did oppose slavery, you are right. I need to be more careful and more specified as to what kind of Christians justify slavery because of their interpretation of the bible. Well, I didn't say what I did to come to the undying defense of Christianity  For every life turned for the better, one could no doubt find lives made worse by the outdated dogma and misapplied scapegoating afforded by the unquestioning devotion to thousand year old texts written by people who were pretty sure bacon-wrapped shrimp was an abomination to their god. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 27, 2024 10:42:55 GMT -5
This interview with Netanyahu makes Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin look incredibly lame... Ill have to watch it. Was he good, playing the victim card? Was he convincing, the future of humanity depends on Israel’s unquestionable support? If you begin writing letters today, maybe you can get a VIP seat at their inaugural BBQ |
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Post by fixit on Feb 27, 2024 12:10:02 GMT -5
So true. That was the justification among Christians that owned slaves. The bible allowed it so it much be okay. What I find ironic is that it's the Hebrews that were the chosen ones and not a bunch of white guys who think they are superior to every other race on earth. They even think they are superior to the Jewish people who are the original chosen ones. And yet, it was a non-religious slave trader who saw the light, converted to Christianity, and dedicated the rest of his life to abolishing slavery. And gave the religion arguably its most beloved hymn, Amazing Grace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_GraceLikewise, it was the fundamentalist Christian group known as the Quakers who first as a group condemned slavery in the new world on the grounds of it being "un-Christian". Slavery was practiced for all of human history amongst all cultures, but the abolition movements were a marriage of protestant Christian and secular human rights based movements. Certainly there are texts in the Bible that can just as easily be used to justify slavery, and I'm confident that if a person removed religious thought altogether, there would still be slavery and the abolition of it in a purely secular light. But although it's undeniable that religious people under the pretext of their respective faiths have committed awful things, I don't see it quite as black and white. If you want to get a group of people to collectively do an immoral thing without questioning however, religion is the most efficient way humans have yet invented. As you say, it's not black and white. What religion was the Khmer Rouge? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide |
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Post by fixit on Feb 27, 2024 12:20:50 GMT -5
Ill have to watch it. Was he good, playing the victim card? Was he convincing, the future of humanity depends on Israel’s unquestionable support? If you begin writing letters today, maybe you can get a VIP seat at their inaugural BBQ The interviewer held Netanyahu's feet to the fire, unlike Carlson who was like putty in the hands of his idol.  |
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Post by Lee on Feb 28, 2024 10:16:22 GMT -5
I don’t interpret Carlson that way. He razzed Putin about the incarcerated journalist. Tuckers job was to reveal the duplicity of western behavior and intentions. What’s worse than being bad is being bad and pretending otherwise.
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Post by xna on Feb 29, 2024 10:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 11:51:28 GMT -5
I don’t interpret Carlson that way. He razzed Putin about the incarcerated journalist. Tuckers job was to reveal the duplicity of western behavior and intentions. What’s worse than being bad is being bad and pretending otherwise. Tucker is very wise insomuch that he largely does what he wants without taking feedback from mindless parrots very seriously. It's a lesson that's good to understand I think. |
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For every life turned for the better, one could no doubt find lives made worse by the outdated dogma and misapplied scapegoating afforded by the unquestioning devotion to thousand year old texts written by people who were pretty sure bacon-wrapped shrimp was an abomination to their god.