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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2023 13:48:11 GMT -5
Admin Sorry I've just realised you removed the person's name I wrote in my post, thank you good idea, I'll be careful from now on. That will cause her less hassle. Thanks again. Mary, Maryhig you were only repeating what someone else had initially posted (which is against the TMB rules, for ensuring personal safety of all TMB members). Thanks! Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2023 14:48:06 GMT -5
Mary , you were only repeating what someone else had initially posted (which is against the TMB rules, for ensuring personal safety of all TMB members). Thanks! Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. The observation you've shared prompts me to contemplate the potential limitations inherent in the perspectives of individuals lacking a background in ancient languages, particularly those related to science and the history of the Middle East. Additionally, a deficiency in critical thinking skills pertaining to how ancient writers perceived the world and employed literary works to convey their themes raises questions about the validity of their ability to convincingly advocate for their mission.
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2023 15:56:30 GMT -5
Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. The observation you've shared prompts me to contemplate the potential limitations inherent in the perspectives of individuals lacking a background in ancient languages, particularly those related to science and the history of the Middle East. Additionally, a deficiency in critical thinking skills pertaining to how ancient writers perceived the world and employed literary works to convey their themes raises questions about the validity of their ability to convincingly advocate for their mission. I agree. I'm all for education, having a master's degree myself but not in Biblical history but agree it would be very helpful. I don't agree with Chuck's version though. I think we also need to bear in mind that history like religions evolve over time.
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Post by snow on Oct 11, 2023 15:56:43 GMT -5
Admin Sorry I've just realised you removed the person's name I wrote in my post, thank you good idea, I'll be careful from now on. That will cause her less hassle. Thanks again. Yes I quoted her too and her name was in my quotes also. I should have thought of that and removed it in mine but was pretty shocked so it didn't even cross my mind. Thank you admin.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 11, 2023 17:38:41 GMT -5
The observation you've shared prompts me to contemplate the potential limitations inherent in the perspectives of individuals lacking a background in ancient languages, particularly those related to science and the history of the Middle East. Additionally, a deficiency in critical thinking skills pertaining to how ancient writers perceived the world and employed literary works to convey their themes raises questions about the validity of their ability to convincingly advocate for their mission. I agree. I'm all for education, having a master's degree myself but not in Biblical history but agree it would be very helpful. I don't agree with Chuck's version though. I think we also need to bear in mind that history like religions evolve over time. History doesn't evolve -- times change and perspectives speculate on the meaning of history.
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 11, 2023 18:07:20 GMT -5
Admin Sorry I've just realised you removed the person's name I wrote in my post, thank you good idea, I'll be careful from now on. That will cause her less hassle. Thanks again. Yes I quoted her too and her name was in my quotes also. I should have thought of that and removed it in mine but was pretty shocked so it didn't even cross my mind. Thank you admin. Yup, I misread that too thinking that Maryhig must've just shortened her pseudonym.
Did Jesus get confused between Mary and Marymag?
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 18:15:37 GMT -5
Mary, you were only repeating what someone else had initially posted (which is against the TMB rules, for ensuring personal safety of all TMB members). Thanks! Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. Hey Mary, I'll afraid I can't help what my name is, my mother called me that. And by the way, your trying to make me look like some kind of cult follower because we are a small meeting. But Jesus said, where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there I will be in the midst. We don't need to be a big organisation to follow Jesus. And, you say I spiritualise everything, but Jesus says, his words are Spirit and they are life. His words are Spirit Mary, and those who have ears to hear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The Bible us full of deeper meanings from Genesis right through to Revelation. And you say that the emblems and blood represents the death of Jesus, but Jesus says that if we don't eat his flesh and drink his blood then we have no life in us, it's impossible to do that literally, and even if we did we would be cannibals. The life is in the blood and that life has to be taken in, all of it, if we eat his flesh and drink his blood then we will take everything that he preached from his heart into our hearts, and also take his life is into our own hearts and lives and live it out. I can't help it if people call me by my real name Mary, I have called myself Maryhig to avoid confusion, so what's with the nasty post with personal attacks?
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 18:17:18 GMT -5
Yes I quoted her too and her name was in my quotes also. I should have thought of that and removed it in mine but was pretty shocked so it didn't even cross my mind. Thank you admin. Yup, I misread that too thinking that Maryhig must've just shortened her pseudonym.
Did Jesus get confused between Mary and Marymag?
eh? What does that mean?
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2023 19:18:08 GMT -5
Yup, I misread that too thinking that Maryhig must've just shortened her pseudonym.
Did Jesus get confused between Mary and Marymag?
eh? What does that mean? Just clarifying, some posts quoted from admins post start with Mary. These are not correct and Admin has since changed this to Maryhig...
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Post by verna on Oct 11, 2023 19:26:17 GMT -5
Mary, you were only repeating what someone else had initially posted (which is against the TMB rules, for ensuring personal safety of all TMB members). Thanks! Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. Mary I’m sorry there has been confusion about the name but how you characterize Maryhig’s beliefs seems rather discounting and not the way I understand them to be. I’m not even a Christian (and I am surprised to hear that she doesn’t identify as Christian- are you sure?) but I have found that she is very open to answering questions. She has quite a nuanced understanding that I find rather interesting and refreshing. Have you asked her these questions or just made assumptions?
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2023 19:29:11 GMT -5
Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. Mary I’m sorry there has been confusion about the name but how you characterize Maryhig’s beliefs seems rather discounting and not the way I understand them to be. I’m not even a Christian (and I am surprised to hear that she doesn’t identify as Christian- are you sure?) but I have found that she is very open to answering questions. She has quite a nuanced understanding that I find rather interesting and refreshing. Have you asked her these questions or just made assumptions? Maryhig clearly stated in several recent posts that she does not call herself a Christian. I gave a summary of her beliefs based on what she has written on here. I was making the distinction between hers and my beliefs.
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 11, 2023 19:54:55 GMT -5
Yup, I misread that too thinking that Maryhig must've just shortened her pseudonym.
Did Jesus get confused between Mary and Marymag?
eh? What does that mean? Kiwi humour mixed with Dad joke - nevermind
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 11, 2023 20:08:17 GMT -5
Kiwi humour mixed with Dad joke - nevermind The penalty for bigamy.....two mother in laws.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 20:13:19 GMT -5
Just clarifying, some posts quoted from admins post start with Mary. These is not correct and Admin has since changed this to Maryhig... Again my name is Mary, I can't help that. People will obviously call me by my name. And really you aren't just clarifying things or just giving a summary of my beliefs are you? You're having a dig, as seen below here for instance. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. We are not a splinter group, we follow Jesus as he taught, and we don't need to belong to a organisation to do that. And God doesn't look at how many go to a meeting or church, God looks at the hearts of the people going!
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 20:31:46 GMT -5
Please make a distinction between Mary and Maryhig. It's getting so confusing. I had been using Mary long before Maryhig came on here. When Maryhig came on here, because of the confusion I started using another name for a while but due to attacks by a worker on here and that Maryhig had not been on here for a good while I started using Mary again. Note, Mary (me) and Maryhig are not the same person. I identify as a Christian, Maryhig says she does not. I believe the Bible, not reinterpreting and spiritualising as Maryhig does. I believe that the emblems represent the blood and lteral death of Jesus, Maryhig says it represents the life. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. The Cooneyites being the remaining few family members of Edward Cooneys converts who left when he was excommunicated from the 2x2 fellowship. We had a lot of reinterpreting the Bible in the 2x2s which is only an attempt to fit into their own thinking. Mary I’m sorry there has been confusion about the name but how you characterize Maryhig’s beliefs seems rather discounting and not the way I understand them to be. I’m not even a Christian (and I am surprised to hear that she doesn’t identify as Christian- are you sure?) but I have found that she is very open to answering questions. She has quite a nuanced understanding that I find rather interesting and refreshing. Have you asked her these questions or just made assumptions? Mary has miss-quoted me Verna, I said I don't call myself a Christian in the way I don't follow mainstream Christianity. I'm a follower of Christ, but my core beliefs are different to mainstream Christianity. And Jesus never called himself a Christian, he said he was a Jew. They were called Christians by others, many years after Jesus died. And a true Jew is one inwardly, circumcised of the heart and all those who truly follow Christ are one in Christ and follow him in word and deed.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2023 20:40:02 GMT -5
Mary I’m sorry there has been confusion about the name but how you characterize Maryhig’s beliefs seems rather discounting and not the way I understand them to be. I’m not even a Christian (and I am surprised to hear that she doesn’t identify as Christian- are you sure?) but I have found that she is very open to answering questions. She has quite a nuanced understanding that I find rather interesting and refreshing. Have you asked her these questions or just made assumptions? Mary has miss-quoted me Verna, I said I don't call myself a Christian in the way I don't follow mainstream Christianity. I'm a follower of Christ, but my core beliefs are different to mainstream Christianity. And Jesus never called himself a Christian, he said he was a Jew. They were called Christians by others, many years after Jesus died. And a true Jew is one inwardly, circumcised of the heart and all those who truly follow Christ are one in Christ and follow him in word and deed. I would be interested in a detail explanation of "circumcised of the heart" I've been further under the porch looking for Easter eggs then most people have been around the world and never heard of that before.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 20:45:55 GMT -5
Mary has miss-quoted me Verna, I said I don't call myself a Christian in the way I don't follow mainstream Christianity. I'm a follower of Christ, but my core beliefs are different to mainstream Christianity. And Jesus never called himself a Christian, he said he was a Jew. They were called Christians by others, many years after Jesus died. And a true Jew is one inwardly, circumcised of the heart and all those who truly follow Christ are one in Christ and follow him in word and deed. I would be interested in a detail explanation of "circumcised of the heart" I've been further under the porch looking for Easter eggs then most people have been around the world and never heard of that before. It's when we don't live after the flesh but walk after the Spirit, our hearts circumcised simply means our fleshly ways cut away from our hearts by the Spirit, as we live by the will of God. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2023 21:11:05 GMT -5
Just clarifying, some posts quoted from admins post start with Mary. These is not correct and Admin has since changed this to Maryhig... Again my name is Mary, I can't help that. People will obviously call me by my name. And really you aren't just clarifying things or just giving a summary of my beliefs are you? You're having a dig, as seen below here for instance. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. We are not a splinter group, we follow Jesus as he taught, and as we don't need to belong to a organisation to do that. All groups claim to follow Jesus. You say you are not splinter group. You are a small group meeting in a few houses in the UK. The group broke away with Cooney, from the 2x2 church. You have your own set of beliefs and not those of mainstream Christianity. I attended a Cooneyite meeting in Ireland at Patrica Robert's house where I was staying, a number of years ago. They used an old edition of the Hymns Old & New from the 2x2 church. There were about 8 including myself who came from Belfast to Enniskillen. Most were elderly and gone now.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2023 21:13:22 GMT -5
I would be interested in a detail explanation of "circumcised of the heart" I've been further under the porch looking for Easter eggs then most people have been around the world and never heard of that before. It's when we don't live after the flesh but walk after the Spirit, our hearts circumcised simply means our fleshly ways cut away from our hearts by the Spirit, as we live by the will of God. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. The passage you've quoted from Romans is from the New Testament and is part of a letter written by the Apostle Paul. In this passage, Paul is emphasizing that true spirituality and faith go beyond outward, physical practices such as circumcision and extend to the inner character and disposition of an individual. This interpretation is consistent with a common Christian perspective. If you started cutting away the flesh, what will you have left, and why did your creator give you that hateful flesh to begin with?
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 21:20:21 GMT -5
Again my name is Mary, I can't help that. People will obviously call me by my name. And really you aren't just clarifying things or just giving a summary of my beliefs are you? You're having a dig, as seen below here for instance. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. We are not a splinter group, we follow Jesus as he taught, and as we don't need to belong to a organisation to do that. All groups claim to follow Jesus. You say you are not splinter group. You are a small group meeting in a few houses in the UK. The group broke away with Cooney, from the 2x2 church. They have their own set of beliefs and are not a part of mainstream Christianity. I attended a Cooneyite meeting in Ireland at Patrica Robert's house where I was staying, a number of years ago. They used an old edition of the Hymns Old & New from the 2x2 church There were about 8 including myself who came from Belfast to Enniskillen. Most were elderly and gone now. Ok and your point is? And when I say we are not a splinter group, I mean we follow Jesus as Jesus taught us to, just like all others who truly follow him outside of our meeting. I'm not just claiming to follow Jesus, I really do, I follow Jesus in word and deed as he taught us to live before God. And you are basically calling us a cult, yet you have never met even us. By the way, those meetings in Ireland are still going, with younger ones attending now too. What have I done to offend you Mary?
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 21:25:39 GMT -5
It's when we don't live after the flesh but walk after the Spirit, our hearts circumcised simply means our fleshly ways cut away from our hearts by the Spirit, as we live by the will of God. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. The passage you've quoted from Romans is from the New Testament and is part of a letter written by the Apostle Paul. In this passage, Paul is emphasizing that true spirituality and faith go beyond outward, physical practices such as circumcision and extend to the inner character and disposition of an individual. This interpretation is consistent with a common Christian perspective. If you started cutting away the flesh, what will you have left, and why did your creator give you that hateful flesh to begin with? Cutting away the flesh is turning from sin, our creator (God) didn't give us hateful flesh, babies are born innocent, we, ourselves start sinning when we are tempted and know it's wrong to do something and then do it. But the greater sin is when we know God, and know the truth and yet carry on wilfully sinning.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2023 21:35:42 GMT -5
The passage you've quoted from Romans is from the New Testament and is part of a letter written by the Apostle Paul. In this passage, Paul is emphasizing that true spirituality and faith go beyond outward, physical practices such as circumcision and extend to the inner character and disposition of an individual. This interpretation is consistent with a common Christian perspective. If you started cutting away the flesh, what will you have left, and why did your creator give you that hateful flesh to begin with? Cutting away the flesh is turning from sin, our creator (God) didn't give us hateful flesh, babies are born innocent, we, ourselves start sinning when we are tempted and know it's wrong to do something and then do it. But the greater sin is when we know God, and know the truth and yet carry on wilfully sinning. I think sin is the province of priests. As for myself I rather enjoy homemade sin. Store bought sin is for those who . . . never mind. my bad
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Post by maryhig on Oct 11, 2023 22:04:34 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows what I believe
I believe that God doesn't look at the outward appearance, or what denomination of church we go to, they are manmade, God is looks at the heart. God is love, and those who truly love him will have his love in their hearts, and we will know them by their fruits, as they will have the life of Christ living through them as they live by the will of God in their daily lives.
True love is love in action, and those who truly love God will love others as Christ has loved us. God wants to see the life of his son lived out through us. With love, forgiveness, compassion, having mercy and empathy for others and truly caring, not just in word but also in deed. This is what I believe in, and this is how I believe we should be when we truly follow Jesus.
Sorry but it's 4am here and I'm tired, I'll be back later again God willing.
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Post by snow on Oct 12, 2023 14:07:26 GMT -5
Yes I quoted her too and her name was in my quotes also. I should have thought of that and removed it in mine but was pretty shocked so it didn't even cross my mind. Thank you admin. Yup, I misread that too thinking that Maryhig must've just shortened her pseudonym.
Did Jesus get confused between Mary and Marymag?
I was referring to a post by cheryl8787 where she gave a full name of someone on CFF and I quoted that post leaving the full name in when I should have been smart and blanked it out instead of just repeating it again. Both Maryhig and I reposted that post and we were both apologizing to Admin for doing that.
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Post by magpies39plus on Oct 25, 2023 0:31:03 GMT -5
Watching some of Dr Diane Langberg's videos and discussing it over coffee would be a good use of Wed evening time. Titles like: Counselling Victims of Sexual Abuse The Church's Role in Helping Victims of Sexual Abuse and Trauma Church Abuse: Protecting Ministries, Destroying Souls Narcissism and the Systems It Breeds Understanding Abuse of Power in the Church The Use and Misuse of Authority in Christian Leadership etc.
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Post by passingby on Oct 27, 2023 12:34:41 GMT -5
Watching some of Dr Diane Langberg's videos and discussing it over coffee would be a good use of Wed evening time. Titles like: Counselling Victims of Sexual Abuse The Church's Role in Helping Victims of Sexual Abuse and Trauma Church Abuse: Protecting Ministries, Destroying Souls Narcissism and the Systems It Breeds Understanding Abuse of Power in the Church The Use and Misuse of Authority in Christian Leadership etc. Reply As I recall, it's called Wednesday night bible study Your list above is useless different playground
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Post by passingby on Oct 27, 2023 12:49:14 GMT -5
Again my name is Mary, I can't help that. People will obviously call me by my name. And really you aren't just clarifying things or just giving a summary of my beliefs are you? You're having a dig, as seen below here for instance. Her church the Cooneyites do not have a specific ministry. They have almost died out and as we can see from her posts she is anti mainstream Churches. Little splinter groups are how cults are formed. We are not a splinter group, we follow Jesus as he taught, and as we don't need to belong to a organisation to do that. All groups claim to follow Jesus. You say you are not splinter group. You are a small group meeting in a few houses in the UK. The group broke away with Cooney, from the 2x2 church. You have your own set of beliefs and not those of mainstream Christianity. I attended a Cooneyite meeting in Ireland at Patrica Robert's house where I was staying, a number of years ago. They used an old edition of the Hymns Old & New from the 2x2 church. There were about 8 including myself who came from Belfast to Enniskillen. Most were elderly and gone now. Mary, (no I don't mean Maryhig) you like so many ex's seem to be hung up on institutional denominational pigeon holing.
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