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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 22, 2023 23:23:16 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world).
The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 1:16:03 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.Thank you -- my thoughts for a very long times. I tend to think that explains what a shock it is for some strangers who profess and then are confronted with all the rules instead of the brotherhood they were expecting. I went to gospel meetings for half a century, and honestly, the most important things I learned about the gospel came from my parents and whoever else would answer my questions honestly and frankly. It got me in trouble a lot too, but not my loss.
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 23, 2023 2:23:27 GMT -5
There's a fair bit of truth in this, and I have been saying similar things for many years.
Of course, when you learn more about the gospel, redemption, sanctification etc from educated biblical scholars not in our church, you get mocked and scoffed at by some, even a worker on here.
A couple of points:
1) I heard in a mission the sermon about the validity of the 2*2 homeless and itinerant ministry. People were going out saying how good it was to hear the Gospel. I thought the the Gospel was the Good News about Jesus life and resurrection.
2) I recall a combined mission some years ago where the opening hymn was "Jesus only is our message", and that was the last his name or life was mentioned in the whole meeting.
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Post by fixit on Aug 23, 2023 4:26:42 GMT -5
I recall a combined mission some years ago where the opening hymn was "Jesus only is our message", and that was the last his name or life was mentioned in the whole meeting. Yes, "gospel meetings" would be better described as "bible talks". We get push-back when we suggest preaching Christ, but anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (Romans 8:9). Should death sound out the final call, My heart will whisper “Christ is all.”
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Post by cheryl8787 on Aug 23, 2023 6:15:44 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.
Thank you for this analysis - it is correct. I also recently tuned in to a 2x2 convention and was amazed at how much the 'sermons' were identical to motivational speaking. The 'testimonies' from the 'friends' seemed like people who were planted in the crowd to give affirmation to the motivational speaking of the 'workers'. There is so much jargon in the 'sermons' and 'testimonies' - things that are just babble, but no one asks 'what exactly does that mean?'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 8:40:05 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.Uneducated in scripture? uh huh...(sarcasm)
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 23, 2023 14:21:57 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.Thank you -- my thoughts for a very long times. I tend to think that explains what a shock it is for some strangers who profess and then are confronted with all the rules instead of the brotherhood they were expecting. I went to gospel meetings for half a century, and honestly, the most important things I learned about the gospel came from my parents and whoever else would answer my questions honestly and frankly. It got me in trouble a lot too, but not my loss. They NEVER speak about the rules in gospel meetings. No mention of what dress, hairstyle and other earthly outward appearances are acceptable. If you're a stranger, they rope you in, then after a few months start putting the smack down. And you are so taken up with being love-bombed, that you do it to continue this new relationship with the friends and workers under the guise of a relationship with God. And if you are not a stranger (born and raised), you do it because that's how you gain favour with the hierarchy. You know that. You've always know that. Because those are the rules.
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2023 16:01:42 GMT -5
Listening to the messages from the platform at GV I honestly don't see how their message could be motivating. It was not encouraging and it was really depressing. I never realized just how much they focus on death and losing out when I went all the time. Years later listening to it again, I was really amazed at how depressing the message was.
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Post by fixit on Aug 23, 2023 16:16:37 GMT -5
They NEVER speak about the rules in gospel meetings. No mention of what dress, hairstyle and other earthly outward appearances are acceptable. If you're a stranger, they rope you in, then after a few months start putting the smack down. And you are so taken up with being love-bombed, that you do it to continue this new relationship with the friends and workers under the guise of a relationship with God. And if you are not a stranger (born and raised), you do it because that's how you gain favour with the hierarchy. You know that. You've always know that. Because those are the rules. How many meetings does a stranger have to attend before the divorce and remarriage rules are explained?
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2023 16:59:05 GMT -5
They NEVER speak about the rules in gospel meetings. No mention of what dress, hairstyle and other earthly outward appearances are acceptable. If you're a stranger, they rope you in, then after a few months start putting the smack down. And you are so taken up with being love-bombed, that you do it to continue this new relationship with the friends and workers under the guise of a relationship with God. And if you are not a stranger (born and raised), you do it because that's how you gain favour with the hierarchy. You know that. You've always know that. Because those are the rules. How many meetings does a stranger have to attend before the divorce and remarriage rules are explained? Is that a trick question?
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Post by chuck on Aug 23, 2023 18:10:57 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.Uneducated in scripture? uh huh...(sarcasm) CSA training is confirmation of this. They were led by the same "holy spirit" you talk about.....Mr Bruer was a shining light until he wasn't........same with all these other scumbags.....
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Post by fixit on Aug 23, 2023 18:39:08 GMT -5
How many meetings does a stranger have to attend before the divorce and remarriage rules are explained? Is that a trick question? No, I'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this one. Ethically it should be made known up front when people first start attending, as should other hard and fast rules and child protection policy. Otherwise they could invest a lot of their time before finding out it won't work for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 20:41:16 GMT -5
Uneducated in scripture? uh huh...(sarcasm) CSA training is confirmation of this. They were led by the same "holy spirit" you talk about.....Mr Bruer was a shining light until he wasn't........same with all these other scumbags..... Uh huh, which book in the bible has CSA training in it like we have today? One who commits something as grave as CSA or hides it wasn't "Holy Spirit led". A bit of Discernment would help you to know that. I won't hold my breath. Just sayin' Does scripture ever mention that before getting to Heaven, we'll know everything and are 100% perfect now? If so Book, Chapter and verse please.
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Post by verna on Aug 23, 2023 21:39:55 GMT -5
Listening to the messages from the platform at GV I honestly don't see how their message could be motivating. It was not encouraging and it was really depressing. I never realized just how much they focus on death and losing out when I went all the time. Years later listening to it again, I was really amazed at how depressing the message was. I agree. I think it’s a stretch to call the speaking motivational! But I suppose it all depends what you’re being motivated to do. It’s so warped I can’t get my mind around it.
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Post by Dan on Aug 23, 2023 22:53:46 GMT -5
They NEVER speak about the rules in gospel meetings. No mention of what dress, hairstyle and other earthly outward appearances are acceptable. If you're a stranger, they rope you in, then after a few months start putting the smack down. And you are so taken up with being love-bombed, that you do it to continue this new relationship with the friends and workers under the guise of a relationship with God. And if you are not a stranger (born and raised), you do it because that's how you gain favour with the hierarchy. You know that. You've always know that. Because those are the rules. How many meetings does a stranger have to attend before the divorce and remarriage rules are explained?
11 was our number.. Both my parents were divorced and remarried, so they were relieved to know that heathens were exempt from the rules because it happened before they professed.
I never considered Gospel Mtgs to be motivational speaking, promotional perhaps, but not at all like the Joel Osteen type of sermons.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2023 0:18:41 GMT -5
Is that a trick question? No, I'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this one. Ethically it should be made known up front when people first start attending, as should other hard and fast rules and child protection policy. Otherwise they could invest a lot of their time before finding out it won't work for them. My guess is that it will never be addressed in a gospel meeting. I've never heard it in a gospel meeting in my whole life. I've learned now that workers, at least on the West Coast, will address the matter privately with a person who is wanting to come to gospel meetings. I know one person who called the worker and asked if she could come to gospel meetings, and the worker's first question was, "Have you ever been married?" Whatever happened to "all who will may come"?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2023 0:24:40 GMT -5
Listening to the messages from the platform at GV I honestly don't see how their message could be motivating. It was not encouraging and it was really depressing. I never realized just how much they focus on death and losing out when I went all the time. Years later listening to it again, I was really amazed at how depressing the message was. I agree. I think it’s a stretch to call the speaking motivational! But I suppose it all depends what you’re being motivated to do. It’s so warped I can’t get my mind around it. I agree, in a way. But conventions are different from gospel meetings. The purpose of a convention is to get everyone on the same page -- or, to "establish the convention" they are going to abide by. Normally one of the sessions of a convention is the annual business meeting, but the 2x2's are penniless and property deprived, so no need for that.
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Post by fixit on Aug 24, 2023 0:47:12 GMT -5
I agree. I think it’s a stretch to call the speaking motivational! But I suppose it all depends what you’re being motivated to do. It’s so warped I can’t get my mind around it. I agree, in a way. But conventions are different from gospel meetings. The purpose of a convention is to get everyone on the same page -- or, to "establish the convention" they are going to abide by. Normally one of the sessions of a convention is the annual business meeting, but the 2x2's are penniless and property deprived, so no need for that. In NZ some of the elderly friends 50 years ago used to refer to it as "conference" rather than convention.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2023 1:03:00 GMT -5
I agree, in a way. But conventions are different from gospel meetings. The purpose of a convention is to get everyone on the same page -- or, to "establish the convention" they are going to abide by. Normally one of the sessions of a convention is the annual business meeting, but the 2x2's are penniless and property deprived, so no need for that. In NZ some of the elderly friends 50 years ago used to refer to it as "conference" rather than convention. I heard one lady use that term in Canada one time. She was a teacher, so I thought she got conventions mixed up with teacher conferences. Conference is not a bad word, but it's more like a convention, really, even though most people don't acknowledge that it's a get-in-line event. In some languages they refer to conventions as "annuals". Kind of good, since you can annually do whatever you want.
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Post by Persona non grata on Aug 24, 2023 3:07:58 GMT -5
In NZ some of the elderly friends 50 years ago used to refer to it as "conference" rather than convention. I heard one lady use that term in Canada one time. She was a teacher, so I thought she got conventions mixed up with teacher conferences. Conference is not a bad word, but it's more like a convention, really, even though most people don't acknowledge that it's a get-in-line event. In some languages they refer to conventions as "annuals". Kind of good, since you can annually do whatever you want. In two seperate letters received recently, both from former workers, conventions are referred to as "annual meetings". Coincidence or a conscious change? In the latest letter, received just yesterday, an elderly sister worker (retired) writes "annual meetings (conventions)". By the specific addition in parenthesis, it seems she felt it necessary to clarify what she meant by annual meetings.
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Post by Persona non grata on Aug 24, 2023 3:27:06 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.You're right about many workers being untrained, and the vast majority of them have certainly never had any formal training in public speaking. You may notice that many workers preach in a similar style to the companions they had in their first few years in the ministry. For many, these first formative years are the extent of "training" they receive. As such, preaching styles, including any motivational qualities, may be attributed to: a) natural talent; b) influence of companions/other workers; c) dare I say it: the Spirit; ... Then there's the dodgy NZ worker (now dead) who was known to download his sermons from the net and preach them almost verbatim.
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Post by chuck on Aug 24, 2023 3:58:02 GMT -5
CSA training is confirmation of this. They were led by the same "holy spirit" you talk about.....Mr Bruer was a shining light until he wasn't........same with all these other scumbags..... Uh huh, which book in the bible has CSA training in it like we have today? One who commits something as grave as CSA or hides it wasn't "Holy Spirit led". A bit of Discernment would help you to know that. I won't hold my breath. Just sayin' Does scripture ever mention that before getting to Heaven, we'll know everything and are 100% perfect now? If so Book, Chapter and verse please. Does it not concern you that the people who claim to be servants of God who have influenced your life need CSA training to know how to act appropriately towards others........ Leviticus already had the answers they've just never understood it because they are too caught up in their own religious rightness.....and now they need training to act appropriately towards others apparently.......this is what happens when you have been removed from reality for too long.....the training is window dressing but it's convinced you....... "Getting to Heaven" isn't a thing in scripture. Its a tool people use to control others........
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 24, 2023 5:36:28 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.You're right about many workers being untrained, and the vast majority of them have certainly never had any formal training in public speaking. You may notice that many workers preach in a similar style to the companions they had in their first few years in the ministry. For many, these first formative years are the extent of "training" they receive. As such, preaching styles, including any motivational qualities, may be attributed to: a) natural talent; b) influence of companions/other workers; c) dare I say it: the Spirit; ... Then there's the dodgy NZ worker (now dead) who was known to download his sermons from the net and preach them almost verbatim. Wow - who was that? (feel free to PM me)
I had suspicions about one, but he's still living, although not in the work now.
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Post by Annan on Aug 24, 2023 6:43:29 GMT -5
Listening to the messages from the platform at GV I honestly don't see how their message could be motivating. It was not encouraging and it was really depressing. I never realized just how much they focus on death and losing out when I went all the time. Years later listening to it again, I was really amazed at how depressing the message was. That was always my problem growing up. Doom and gloom. The message was to always be prepared to die. Could I not die with a smile on my face? Where's the joy? Where's the love?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 8:59:36 GMT -5
Uh huh, which book in the bible has CSA training in it like we have today? One who commits something as grave as CSA or hides it wasn't "Holy Spirit led". A bit of Discernment would help you to know that. I won't hold my breath. Just sayin' Does scripture ever mention that before getting to Heaven, we'll know everything and are 100% perfect now? If so Book, Chapter and verse please. Does it not concern you that the people who claim to be servants of God who have influenced your life need CSA training to know how to act appropriately towards others........ Leviticus already had the answers they've just never understood it because they are too caught up in their own religious rightness.....and now they need training to act appropriately towards others apparently.......this is what happens when you have been removed from reality for too long.....the training is window dressing but it's convinced you....... "Getting to Heaven" isn't a thing in scripture. Its a tool people use to control others........ oh? where in Leviticus does it talk about pedophilia and what to do? Scripture mentions those of those types of people and gave us fair warning, why are you surprised? If you can't get to heaven through Christ, enjoy the heat. Don't worry it's a dry heat...
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2023 14:20:34 GMT -5
Sitting in a gospel meeting recently, I was listening to the workers speak. Not to the message, but how they projected the message. Aware that most, if not all of workers are basically untrained in adult life, uneducated in scripture and monitored and controlled by the overseers, it occurred to me that they are not "preaching" the gospel, they are merely amateur motivational speakers. They get a thought in their head and look up scripture relating to that thought, or vice versa, and basically make their own parables and present to those congregated. They talk about others "friends" who are so faithful and those who have been faithful to the end, making it a raw raw cheerleading session. "You can be just like them! Make your choice and join the faithful God chosen few". Though most motivational speakers speak to their audience using positive reinforcement, they use both positive and negative to brainwash their audience of what they consider to be right (the 2x2 way) and wrong (the way of the world). The definition of a motivational speaker: A motivational speaker is a business professional who delivers speeches designed to inspire and motivate people in the audience. Also known as "inspirational speakers," these individuals are gifted in the art of persuasion. They positively present their ideas and encourage others to follow their way of thinking.You're right about many workers being untrained, and the vast majority of them have certainly never had any formal training in public speaking. You may notice that many workers preach in a similar style to the companions they had in their first few years in the ministry. For many, these first formative years are the extent of "training" they receive. As such, preaching styles, including any motivational qualities, may be attributed to: a) natural talent; b) influence of companions/other workers; c) dare I say it: the Spirit; ... Then there's the dodgy NZ worker (now dead) who was known to download his sermons from the net and preach them almost verbatim. Probably thought he'd never get caught because we all know that the friends aren't on the internet... or at the very least would never listen to anyone other than a worker.
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2023 14:23:55 GMT -5
Listening to the messages from the platform at GV I honestly don't see how their message could be motivating. It was not encouraging and it was really depressing. I never realized just how much they focus on death and losing out when I went all the time. Years later listening to it again, I was really amazed at how depressing the message was. That was always my problem growing up. Doom and gloom. The message was to always be prepared to die. Could I not die with a smile on my face? Where's the joy? Where's the love? We definitely get the wrong idea of what love looks like when they preach the doom and gloom and then tell us God is Love. Make sure you don't love yourself because that would be vain and ungodly. What a load of mixed messages they preached. No wonder we're seeing so many stories now of how messed up people have been and are slowly understanding it now that they have left.
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Post by Dan on Aug 24, 2023 19:49:32 GMT -5
That was always my problem growing up. Doom and gloom. The message was to always be prepared to die. Could I not die with a smile on my face? Where's the joy? Where's the love? We definitely get the wrong idea of what love looks like when they preach the doom and gloom and then tell us God is Love. Make sure you don't love yourself because that would be vain and ungodly. What a load of mixed messages they preached. No wonder we're seeing so many stories now of how messed up people have been and are slowly understanding it now that they have left.
The bible (OT) is mostly gloom and doom.. If not for Christ, I'd have a hard time reconciling "God is love".. Its a good thing Jesus came and showed us love. Its really not 'mixed messages', there's just 2 sides to the coin and its important to absorb them both. The Lord saving us demonstrated his divine love for us, while our rejecting him demonstrates the opposite. Unfortunately, not reciprocating that love has some serious repercussions (death), and the Workers would be in dereliction of duty not to point that out.
But admittedly, it is more soul soothing and inspirational to hear that the promise of salvation is guaranteed, instead of getting constant warnings about the Wrath of God falling upon those who don't abide by their rules. Too much of that leaves one feeling that they're never good enough no matter how hard they try. The realization that Believer's do not come under condemning judgement and that our Accuser was defeated at Calvary, is something that seems
to have evaded them, making his yoke hard and his burden heavy. They have the Truth, but tend to make their Way too difficult for anyone to adhere by. Life is tough enough without extra religious dogma weighing you down.
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