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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 26, 2023 19:26:23 GMT -5
Ross' latest fig leaf covering for his 'anti 2x2 cult' crusade doesn't cut the mustard with me! That's 'cause you're too old to cut the mustard any more.
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 19:40:14 GMT -5
I think someone is confusing "covering" with "disguise".
What Ross is being accused of has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of sowing coverings.....
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 21:28:01 GMT -5
More good news on the TBTA airwaves. Great job TBTA!.
"After TBTA was notified of an alleged perpetrator under Police Investigation in the Darling Downs region of Queensland, we notified the Overseers re the alleged perpetrator not attending meetings and sought confirmation that this would occur.
We can now confirm that the alleged perpetrator was approached to not attend meetings or gatherings. The Queensland Overseer has now confirmed the necessary steps have been taken.
We thank Alan Mitchell and his prompt attention in this serious matter. It reinforces the value of advocation on behalf of the many victims that have come forward to TBTA for this particular perpetrator as they have been known to senior workers for some time.
We are pleased that TBTA and all who support this initiative have made progress!
Nothing further can be stated to protect the identity of the alleged perpetrator or victim/s."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 26, 2023 22:08:30 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members.
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Post by Admin on Jul 26, 2023 22:21:50 GMT -5
More good news on the TBTA airwaves. Great job TBTA!. chuck, where do we find such information - is there a link you can provide? Thanks.
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 22:34:13 GMT -5
More good news on the TBTA airwaves. Great job TBTA!. chuck, where do we find such information - is there a link you can provide? Thanks. You can join the TBTA Facebook group. Edit: Acutally I see in the rules it say's what's shared in the group should stay in the group so permission probably needs to be sought before copying and pasting like I just did. My bad.
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 22:56:09 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members. I don't think that is considered, remember they are starting from the position of "they are right",so it can only go one way from there so naturally people are leaving because its Ross's fault.....
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Post by Dan on Jul 26, 2023 23:43:27 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members.
Many are staying for one simple reason;
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 27, 2023 0:09:07 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members.
Many are staying for one simple reason;
Haha, I could have done with one of those when I attended the cult. Are they available somewhere?
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 27, 2023 3:27:24 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. I'll just bump the Australian Hotline number to the top of this thread as the team is receiving many calls and messages from within Australia and also from New Zealand - it has been operating a little over one week. As noted on the TBTA website, the Hotline is being managed by Jillian Hishon, supported by Vianne Hills. Jillian is trained in responding to and reporting Sexual Violence, current and historic. Vianne was the Australian based representative for WINGS from 2008 to 2012, is a Mental Health First Aid professional and has significant experience in dealing with the authorities as well as being a Victim Advocate in CSA and SA cases. The two women are doing a great job and have already requested in writing that a number of offenders be removed from meetings. Based on dialogue with relevant Overseers this is starting to occur. More information is available on the TBTA private group on Facebook. There are now many hundreds of members of this group and it is growing each day. The Hotline and initiative will run indefinitely - it has set up by a team of current and former members of the 2x2 church who have been involved in the support of victims and the protection of children within the fellowship for decades. A boil needs to be cut to remove the pus right to the core before it can heal. Thanks to Ross and his team it has been cut. Hopefully now the pus is being removed and we will see healing in the future.
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2023 13:11:52 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members. I don't think that is considered, remember they are starting from the position of "they are right",so it can only go one way from there so naturally people are leaving because its Ross's fault..... If there was no problems within the church that are overwhelming, Ross wouldn't be able to get anyone to leave. People don't leave because an ex says it's a good idea. That's ludicrous. What it does is the hierarchy in the workers can avoid looking at the problems with in the group and put the blame on outsiders. They will continue to leave and it's not got anything to do with what exes say. But they aren't blind. They are seeing all the help that is coming from the exes and they are seeing that they seem to care and want to help more than the workers at this point and that isn't a good look for the workers. If they started hot lines and hired experts to man it the workers would be seen to actually caring and being proactive.
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2023 13:13:29 GMT -5
I believe the reason that people will leave this cult is what is going on within and the pathetic response from head workers, workers and elders. Outsiders can help pick up the pieces of lives wrecked by this narcissistic cult. There is no need for any outsider to actively encourage an exit from it. All the damage being done is done from within by its own members. Many are staying for one simple reason; I really did like the stew!! Wonder if anyone would mind if I snuck in at dinnertime...
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Post by chuck on Jul 27, 2023 22:51:33 GMT -5
I don't think that is considered, remember they are starting from the position of "they are right",so it can only go one way from there so naturally people are leaving because its Ross's fault..... If there was no problems within the church that are overwhelming, Ross wouldn't be able to get anyone to leave. People don't leave because an ex says it's a good idea. That's ludicrous. What it does is the hierarchy in the workers can avoid looking at the problems with in the group and put the blame on outsiders. They will continue to leave and it's not got anything to do with what exes say. But they aren't blind. They are seeing all the help that is coming from the exes and they are seeing that they seem to care and want to help more than the workers at this point and that isn't a good look for the workers. If they started hot lines and hired experts to man it the workers would be seen to actually caring and being proactive. No argument here. Many though don't think that there is a problem fundamentally because they are the one true way, hence why its Ross's fault that some may leave as we have witnessed on this thread. The one true way means they are right and start with that conclusion so people leaving is someone else's fault not theirs which is fundementally why Mr Studies is so upset about Ross.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 27, 2023 23:19:49 GMT -5
themaninthemirror, you still haven't answered my question, why is it such an issue to you if someone is an "ex" ? The Workers and Friends have had years to get this sorted, why haven't they ? Why do you think the Sixty Minutes Doco was done ? Could it have been that people in Australia were over things being covered up ? Workers moved from one state to the next, people talking to Workers and being shut down ? You are basing your opinion of Ross on hearsay. You have no idea what has gone on behind the scenes by Ross and many other people ( a lot who are "exs) Ross stepped up and said what a lot of people were thinking. As for the abuse I am well aware of how devastating it is and the amount that has been covered up. Surely you have to understand a lot of the friends are going to to question, when a group of people promote themselves as "the only way" why has thing happened ? You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show (its his picture that you first see on the clips). One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear. themaninthemirror we will have to agree to disagree. Are you in Australia? The issue I have is repeating hearsay about Ross, when you are unaware of what has gone on up until now. We are all aware that CSA happens everywhere, but on here we are talking about CSA amongst a church that promotes itself as "the only right way" and "the Truth". Mr Studies has a personal grudge against Ross because Ross didn't put up with his BS. Maybe Mr Studies should show some integrity and transparency and post under his real name like Ross does.
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Post by jwatt on Jul 27, 2023 23:44:41 GMT -5
You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show (its his picture that you first see on the clips). One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear. themaninthemirror we will have to agree to disagree. Are you in Australia? The issue I have is repeating hearsay about Ross, when you are unaware of what has gone on up until now. We are all aware that CSA happens everywhere, but on here we are talking about CSA amongst a church that promotes itself as "the only right way" and "the Truth". Mr Studies has a personal grudge against Ross because Ross didn't put up with his BS. Maybe Mr Studies should show so integrity and transparency and post under his real name like Ross does. Agree 100% with your post!
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 28, 2023 0:31:04 GMT -5
oh ok! 😋 Upset that Ross has been 'called out' on his Brave Hearts Aussie 'fig leaf covered' gig ? Vianne (as Ross spins it : 'the 'mental health first aid professional' 😉) and Jillian 'manning the lines', in on it with him. For his continuing obsession and campaign against his ex church; the awful 2x2 cult! not forgetting his 60 min slogan: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect".
(his' leaving the cult help' is available for all... not just CSA victims )
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 28, 2023 0:51:07 GMT -5
oh ok! 😋 Upset that Ross has been 'called out' on his Brave Hearts Aussie 'fig leaf covered' gig ? Vianne (as Ross spins it : 'the 'mental health first aid professional' 😉) and Jillian 'manning the lines', in on it with him. For his continuing obsession and campaign against his ex church; the awful 2x2 cult! not forgetting his 60 min slogan: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect".
(his' leaving the cult help' is available for all... not just CSA victims ) There's no need to worry about Ross. You are responsible for several leaving your meetings lately.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 28, 2023 0:56:13 GMT -5
oh ok! 😋 Upset that Ross has been 'called out' on his Brave Hearts Aussie 'fig leaf covered' gig ? Vianne (as Ross spins it : 'the 'mental health first aid professional' 😉) and Jillian 'manning the lines', in on it with him. For his continuing obsession and campaign against his ex church; the awful 2x2 cult! not forgetting his 60 min slogan: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect".
(his' leaving the cult help' is available for all... not just CSA victims ) Where is your transparency Mr Studies? Are you willing to put your name to what your post like Ross does ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2023 1:47:41 GMT -5
You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show (its his picture that you first see on the clips). One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear. themaninthemirror we will have to agree to disagree. Are you in Australia? The issue I have is repeating hearsay about Ross, when you are unaware of what has gone on up until now. We are all aware that CSA happens everywhere, but on here we are talking about CSA amongst a church that promotes itself as "the only right way" and "the Truth". Mr Studies has a personal grudge against Ross because Ross didn't put up with his BS. Maybe Mr Studies should show some integrity and transparency and post under his real name like Ross does. Hearsay would be a two-way street on all of this....
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Post by mountain on Jul 28, 2023 3:09:51 GMT -5
We really need to put all the accusations and counter accusations behind us and focus on the primary issues of dealing properly with all forms of abuse within the Friends and Worker's sect, if we are to move forward in a meaningful way. Radical steps forward are a must if real progress needs to be achieved. Past disputes need to be forgotten about and a new page turned in certain relationships.
The Brave Truth Australia appears to be an initiative created out of necessity, though some question the scope of its objectives. Success of this venture needs to be based upon trust and let's hope that is seen to be the case. Time will tell, and it won't take long. Internationalstudies with his Justice Working At The Truth initiative would be an extremely valuable complement to TBTA if both could work together in harmony. Let's hope such a partnership is possible, for the good of all.
Let's cut back on the attacks and start to lay foundations for cooperative working. Surely the needs of the most vulnerable are far more important that our petty biases, agendas, etc?
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jul 28, 2023 3:26:03 GMT -5
oh ok! 😋 Upset that Ross has been 'called out' on his Brave Hearts Aussie 'fig leaf covered' gig ? Vianne (as Ross spins it : 'the 'mental health first aid professional' 😉) and Jillian 'manning the lines', in on it with him. For his continuing obsession and campaign against his ex church; the awful 2x2 cult! not forgetting his 60 min slogan: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect".
(his' leaving the cult help' is available for all... not just CSA victims ) There's no need to worry about Ross. You are responsible for several leaving your meetings lately. Thanks - the worker in your country seems to have an unhealthy fixation with me - particularly when he gets into fig leaf covering language and the like - quite strange but I think many people are used to it. Anyway, he clearly doesn't like a local initiative to protect children from sexual abuse in his fellowship, so he trolls the thread. The Hotline is working well - there are a large number of calls coming in from Australia - and quite a number from New Zealand - details of the Hotline etc are here thebravetruthaustralia.com/Emails are being sent to Overseers about people (including workers, elders and friends) who attend meetings and against whom there are serious allegations, charges or convictions. A number of responses have been received which indicate action is occurring - where it does not, the team quickly receives reports from a large network of friends who are passionate about keeping children safe. Our desire is to work constructively with Overseers and the early signs are encouraging. The team know a number of them personally. Sex abuse offenders have been protected for decades in the fellowship, while many victims have been shunned. While there are no doubt some decent workers, workers generally should hang their heads in shame about the situation. The TBTA initiative, backed by a team of people, is in it for the long haul. The more criticism we receive from workers, the more determined we will be to continue to resource and expand the initiative.
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 28, 2023 3:37:02 GMT -5
There's no need to worry about Ross. You are responsible for several leaving your meetings lately. Thanks - the worker in your country seems to have an unhealthy fixation with me - particularly when he gets into fig leaf covering language and the like - quite strange but I think many people are used to it. Anyway, he clearly doesn't like a local initiative to protect children from sexual abuse in his fellowship, so he trolls the thread. The Hotline is working well - there are a large number of calls coming in from Australia - and quite a number from New Zealand - details of the Hotline etc are here thebravetruthaustralia.com/Emails are being sent to Overseers about people (including workers, elders and friends) who attend meetings and against whom there are serious allegations, charges or convictions. A number of responses have been received which indicate action is occurring - where it does not, the team quickly receive reports from a large network of friends who are passionate about keeping children safe. Our desire is to work constructively with Overseers and the early signs are encouraging. The team know a number of them personally. Sex abuse offenders have been protected for decades in the fellowship, while many victims have been shunned. While there are no doubt some decent workers, workers generally should hang their heads in shame about the situation. The TBTA initiative, backed by a team of people, is in it for the long haul. The more criticism we receive from workers, the more determined we will be to continue to resource and expand the initiative. Grazie Ross. Always so professional and mature with your posts and the work that you do. Some struggle with being appreciative but I am.
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Post by Persona non grata on Jul 28, 2023 3:41:03 GMT -5
Thanks - the worker in your country seems to have an unhealthy fixation with me - particularly when he gets into fig leaf covering language and the like - quite strange but I think many people are used to it. Anyway, he clearly doesn't like a local initiative to protect children from sexual abuse in his fellowship, so he trolls the thread. The Hotline is working well - there are a large number of calls coming in from Australia - and quite a number from New Zealand - details of the Hotline etc are here thebravetruthaustralia.com/Emails are being sent to Overseers about people (including workers, elders and friends) who attend meetings and against whom there are serious allegations, charges or convictions. A number of responses have been received which indicate action is occurring - where it does not, the team quickly receive reports from a large network of friends who are passionate about keeping children safe. Our desire is to work constructively with Overseers and the early signs are encouraging. The team know a number of them personally. Sex abuse offenders have been protected for decades in the fellowship, while many victims have been shunned. While there are no doubt some decent workers, workers generally should hang their heads in shame about the situation. The TBTA initiative, backed by a team of people, is in it for the long haul. The more criticism we receive from workers, the more determined we will be to continue to resource and expand the initiative. Thanks, Ross and your team, for this initiative. Does TBTA have any working relationship with Advocates For The Truth?
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 28, 2023 4:36:03 GMT -5
You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show (its his picture that you first see on the clips). One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear. themaninthemirror we will have to agree to disagree. Are you in Australia? The issue I have is repeating hearsay about Ross, when you are unaware of what has gone on up until now. We are all aware that CSA happens everywhere, but on here we are talking about CSA amongst a church that promotes itself as "the only right way" and "the Truth". Mr Studies has a personal grudge against Ross because Ross didn't put up with his BS. Maybe Mr Studies should show some integrity and transparency and post under his real name like Ross does. You are still calling it hearsay, when what I have commented is from the documentary that he chose to be a front off. His objective is to help people leave the fellowship. I am suggesting if you are a "hearty" bun headed, 50 year old lady and have suffered abuse - will you really want to meet with this man to reveal your abuse whilst he is trying to "help you leave the fellowship". Ofcourse we know it happens everywhere, but some of you are using it as a weapon. Imagine that using someones suffering as a weapon. PS. Christianity promotes itself as the "only right way" despite very few people following it. Same with Islam. Stop trying to make it out that "the Truth" is the only group that claims this.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 28, 2023 5:05:22 GMT -5
themaninthemirror we will have to agree to disagree. Are you in Australia? The issue I have is repeating hearsay about Ross, when you are unaware of what has gone on up until now. We are all aware that CSA happens everywhere, but on here we are talking about CSA amongst a church that promotes itself as "the only right way" and "the Truth". Mr Studies has a personal grudge against Ross because Ross didn't put up with his BS. Maybe Mr Studies should show some integrity and transparency and post under his real name like Ross does. Hearsay would be a two-way street on all of this.... Care to explain @wally?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 28, 2023 5:06:25 GMT -5
Our desire is to work constructively with Overseers and the early signs are encouraging. The team know a number of them personally. a few chuckles I guess they consulted with you before releasing the following ...."Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse." Yes! you are personally known to a number of them Ross!.... for the reasons well known to you and them!! 😜 I guess they are 'generally hanging their heads in shame' as you see the' encouraging signs of them constructively working with you'? 🤙
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 28, 2023 5:14:20 GMT -5
themaninthemirror, so who would you suggest for the role? Sorry I don't see any "conflict of interest". Ross has spoken up when others wanted to "hide" what has been happening for years. Rosalyn - not all victims of abuse want someone with limited discretion knowing their business. Think about the victim. themaninthemirror this post you made is what I am calling out as hearsay.
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 28, 2023 5:29:12 GMT -5
Our desire is to work constructively with Overseers and the early signs are encouraging. The team know a number of them personally. a few chuckles I guess they consulted with you before releasing the following ...."Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse." Yes! you are personally known to a number of them Ross!.... for the reasons well known to you and them!! 😜 I guess they are 'generally hanging their heads in shame' as you see the' encouraging signs of them constructively working with you'? 🤙 Stop already with the same post over and over and over! It is not a defence or constructive!
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