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Post by mountain on Jul 25, 2023 5:34:16 GMT -5
Mama Mia forget it. International studies only interested in preserving the meetings, has no empathy for victims of CSA or SA. You wasting your time. He get so excited about ridiculing everyone else but show no action to help with the problem. "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this. We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse. In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."If this is an inaugural statement by Justice Working At The Truth then I find it very heartening.
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 5:37:34 GMT -5
Mama Mia forget it. International studies only interested in preserving the meetings, has no empathy for victims of CSA or SA. You wasting your time. He get so excited about ridiculing everyone else but show no action to help with the problem. "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this. We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse. In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."That's a lie. Some of the people who signed it are liars. They have knowingly let a worker with a CSA cloud over them stay in young family homes very recently.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 5:45:30 GMT -5
"Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."But continue to 'cheerlead'/support your personal friend Ross in his latest anti '2x2 cult' 'gig'. What a load of bs. Currently things are happening that directly contradict this letter that are known by those who signed their name at the bottom of it. Either you are complicit or blind. If you think all this flowery dribble about all the things that are being put in place are a solution you are very much mistaken, I amazed at how many people find comfort in the assurance that all this CSA training is going to take place.....I mean who needs CSA training to know its wrong? and what the fudge have they been reading in their bible all this time for it to get to this point in the first place...... There are serious fundemental issues that underly this and it will not be rectified by flowery letters from the head honchos about all the window dressing that's going to take place. The heart of the matter is the religious doctrine. And you are displaying it in full by whining about Ross helping people who were supposedly under the care of the ministry you are a part of and your main concern is about who Ross may influence away from your church........ chuck, There are a few of your type on TMB....Lot of angry words and allegations with no facts to support them. Meaningless! You have got all worked up and made a lot of statements and allegations in your post. Come back with cold hard facts to give some meaning to them! (verified and undeniable ...not your bush telegraph/social media 3rd hand 4th hand nonsense! ) 🤙
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 6:06:40 GMT -5
What a load of bs. Currently things are happening that directly contradict this letter that are known by those who signed their name at the bottom of it. Either you are complicit or blind. If you think all this flowery dribble about all the things that are being put in place are a solution you are very much mistaken, I amazed at how many people find comfort in the assurance that all this CSA training is going to take place.....I mean who needs CSA training to know its wrong? and what the fudge have they been reading in their bible all this time for it to get to this point in the first place...... There are serious fundemental issues that underly this and it will not be rectified by flowery letters from the head honchos about all the window dressing that's going to take place. The heart of the matter is the religious doctrine. And you are displaying it in full by whining about Ross helping people who were supposedly under the care of the ministry you are a part of and your main concern is about who Ross may influence away from your church........ Lot of angry words and allegations with no facts to support them. Meaningless! To be honest you come across as an angry empty sad person? Wonder why you are like this? So.... another rant coming to reply to this? or facts and details to support your angry words and allegations? Cold hard facts ...not your bush telegraph/social media 3rd hand 4th hand nonsense! Im angry because we witnessed it happen while at least 2 of these wokers that signed your propaganda letter knew said worker was staying in young family homes or in homes were kids are present. It is probably still happening this very week. They are liars as letting this woker around yound kids directly contradicts most of their letter. Regardless if this worker has or has not committed CSA the mere fact they have several accusations hanging over them letting them stay were there is a potential risk is insane given the alarming high perelcentage of CSA happenings in the group. What is wrong with you people, the level of incompetence and hypocrisy is astounding.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 6:15:24 GMT -5
Lot of angry words and allegations with no facts to support them. Meaningless! To be honest you come across as an angry empty sad person? Wonder why you are like this? So.... another rant coming to reply to this? or facts and details to support your angry words and allegations? Cold hard facts ...not your bush telegraph/social media 3rd hand 4th hand nonsense! Im angry because we witnessed it happen while at least 2 of these wokers that signed your propaganda letter knew said worker was staying in young family homes or in homes were kids are present. It is probably still happening this very week.They are liars as letting this woker around yound kids directly contradicts most of their letter. Regardless if this worke r has or has not committed CSA the mere fact they have several accusations hanging over them letting them stay were there is a potential risk is insane given the alarming high perelcentage of CSA happenings in the group. What is wrong with you people, the level of incompetence and hypocrisy is astounding. chuck, In this post alone... six statements/allegations/claims How about coming back with cold hard facts (verified and undeniable ) to give credibility to your post? Otherwise it is your 'level of incompetence and charlatan behaviour' is being displayed. 🤷♂️ 🤙
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 6:19:16 GMT -5
What a load of bs. Currently things are happening that directly contradict this letter that are known by those who signed their name at the bottom of it. Either you are complicit or blind. If you think all this flowery dribble about all the things that are being put in place are a solution you are very much mistaken, I amazed at how many people find comfort in the assurance that all this CSA training is going to take place.....I mean who needs CSA training to know its wrong? and what the fudge have they been reading in their bible all this time for it to get to this point in the first place...... There are serious fundemental issues that underly this and it will not be rectified by flowery letters from the head honchos about all the window dressing that's going to take place. The heart of the matter is the religious doctrine. And you are displaying it in full by whining about Ross helping people who were supposedly under the care of the ministry you are a part of and your main concern is about who Ross may influence away from your church........ Umm I'm sure it gets mentioned at some point its wrong/evil/whatever but that's not the goal of CSA training per se, it covers prevention, detection and reaction, nub... Thanks for affirming the level of incompetence and charlatan behaviour that's being displayed.
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 6:26:44 GMT -5
Im angry because we witnessed it happen while at least 2 of these wokers that signed your propaganda letter knew said worker was staying in young family homes or in homes were kids are present. It is probably still happening this very week.They are liars as letting this woker around yound kids directly contradicts most of their letter. Regardless if this worke r has or has not committed CSA the mere fact they have several accusations hanging over them letting them stay were there is a potential risk is insane given the alarming high perelcentage of CSA happenings in the group. What is wrong with you people, the level of incompetence and hypocrisy is astounding. chuck, In this post alone... six statements/allegations/claims How about coming back with cold hard facts (verified and undeniable ) to give credibility to your post? 🤙 How about you take my word for it. I don't need to lie for self preservation.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 6:40:52 GMT -5
chuck Where is your decency and integrity? You presently flail around on this thread with expletives and abusive posts. Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and slander here? Keep record of the letters/emails you send them, keep record of their response (or lack of it) and report back there. I'll fully support you. If you want any addresses or email addresses of those you are slandering and making accusations agains here, then contact me by pm and I'll get them for you. Time for you to' man up'. Do something more than your present meaningless flailing about here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 9:41:34 GMT -5
Umm I'm sure it gets mentioned at some point its wrong/evil/whatever but that's not the goal of CSA training per se, it covers prevention, detection and reaction, nub... Thanks for affirming the level of incompetence and charlatan behaviour that's being displayed. Thanks for affirming your ignorance of what the CSA training does...very helpful...
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 25, 2023 12:36:31 GMT -5
Hearsay that Ross is an ex that is very vocal in his dislike for the teachings of the group? It’s like appointing a ex Muslim to support devout Muslims in revealing abuse. Think a bit deeper than your position Rosyln. I’m sure you know that abuse is complicated. I know a case where 13 people were abused and only one person was brave enough to come forward - i don’t think you understand. themaninthemirror, you still haven't answered my question, why is it such an issue to you if someone is an "ex" ? The Workers and Friends have had years to get this sorted, why haven't they ? Why do you think the Sixty Minutes Doco was done ? Could it have been that people in Australia were over things being covered up ? Workers moved from one state to the next, people talking to Workers and being shut down ? You are basing your opinion of Ross on hearsay. You have no idea what has gone on behind the scenes by Ross and many other people ( a lot who are "exs) Ross stepped up and said what a lot of people were thinking. As for the abuse I am well aware of how devastating it is and the amount that has been covered up. Surely you have to understand a lot of the friends are going to to question, when a group of people promote themselves as "the only way" why has thing happened ? You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show (its his picture that you first see on the clips). One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear.
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2023 13:07:38 GMT -5
International Studies, aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation appears to have a high rate of abusers in its ranks? Aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation has no capacity to deal with them and the survivors? That’s all that Brave Truth wants. Like other posters here, I can’t understand what your problem is because someone in your own ranks should have set up something similar a long time ago. barbara, "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."But continue to 'cheerlead'/support your personal friend Ross in his latest anti '2x2 cult' 'gig'. If they really mean that then it's a step in the direction. But because a lot of these kinds of letters have gone out to the friends and then finding out that they weren't doing what they state in their letters, I am now skeptical that it's anything other than trying to get the friends to trust but not really following up. Look at what happened in Rob Newman's case. He sent a letter saying he was listening to the victims and was working with them. Then we find out from victims that he's not doing that at all. In fact not reaching out to those who he knows definitely were abused. The three investigators have not had him reach out and they were all survivors of abuse. So what can you believe from the overseers anymore?
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 15:55:11 GMT -5
Thanks for affirming the level of incompetence and charlatan behaviour that's being displayed. Thanks for affirming your ignorance of what the CSA training does...very helpful... Im glad it gives you comfort that the people guiding you need CSA training. It gives me little to none.
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jul 25, 2023 21:34:07 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. I'll just bump the Australian Hotline number to the top of this thread as the team is receiving many calls and messages from within Australia and also from New Zealand - it has been operating a little over one week. As noted on the TBTA website, the Hotline is being managed by Jillian Hishon, supported by Vianne Hills. Jillian is trained in responding to and reporting Sexual Violence, current and historic. Vianne was the Australian based representative for WINGS from 2008 to 2012, is a Mental Health First Aid professional and has significant experience in dealing with the authorities as well as being a Victim Advocate in CSA and SA cases. The two women are doing a great job and have already requested in writing that a number of offenders be removed from meetings. Based on dialogue with relevant Overseers this is starting to occur. More information is available on the TBTA private group on Facebook. There are now many hundreds of members of this group and it is growing each day. The Hotline and initiative will run indefinitely - it has set up by a team of current and former members of the 2x2 church who have been involved in the support of victims and the protection of children within the fellowship for decades.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 22:49:53 GMT -5
You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show. One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 22:54:41 GMT -5
"Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship.
We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress.
There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."
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Post by jwatt on Jul 26, 2023 2:05:43 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. I'll just bump the Australian Hotline number to the top of this thread as the team is receiving many calls and messages from within Australia and also from New Zealand - it has been operating a little over one week. As noted on the TBTA website, the Hotline is being managed by Jillian Hishon, supported by Vianne Hills. Jillian is trained in responding to and reporting Sexual Violence, current and historic. Vianne was the Australian based representative for WINGS from 2008 to 2012, is a Mental Health First Aid professional and has significant experience in dealing with the authorities as well as being a Victim Advocate in CSA and SA cases. The two women are doing a great job and have already requested in writing that a number of offenders be removed from meetings. Based on dialogue with relevant Overseers this is starting to occur. More information is available on the TBTA private group on Facebook. There are now many hundreds of members of this group and it is growing each day. The Hotline and initiative will run indefinitely - it has set up by a team of current and former members of the 2x2 church who have been involved in the support of victims and the protection of children within the fellowship for decades.
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 3:39:05 GMT -5
chuck Where is your decency and integrity? You presently flail around on this thread with expletives and abusive posts. Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and slander here?Keep record of the letters/emails you send them, keep record of their response (or lack of it) and report back there. I'll fully support you.If you want any addresses or email addresses of those you are slandering and making accusations agains here, then contact me by pm and I'll get them for you. Time for you to' man up'. Do something more than your present meaningless flailing about here.Dont worry, Ross and the team are protecting the flock.....my flailing is just at your propaganda and sour grapes.... FYI it wasn't slander....
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Post by fixit on Jul 26, 2023 4:02:00 GMT -5
chuck Where is your decency and integrity? You presently flail around on this thread with expletives and abusive posts. Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and slander here?Keep record of the letters/emails you send them, keep record of their response (or lack of it) and report back there. I'll fully support you.If you want any addresses or email addresses of those you are slandering and making accusations agains here, then contact me by pm and I'll get them for you. Time for you to' man up'. Do something more than your present meaningless flailing about here.With all due respects I think people should register their concerns with www.advocatesforthetruth.com/. It took 25 years of registering concerns with workers before your colleague in Australia was dismissed from the work this week.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 26, 2023 5:12:12 GMT -5
chuck Where is your decency and integrity? You presently flail around on this thread with expletives and abusive posts. Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and slander here?Keep record of the letters/emails you send them, keep record of their response (or lack of it) and report back there. I'll fully support you.If you want any addresses or email addresses of those you are slandering and making accusations agains here, then contact me by pm and I'll get them for you. Time for you to' man up'. Do something more than your present meaningless flailing about here.Dont worry, Ross and the team are protecting the flock.....my flailing is just at your propaganda and sour grapes.... FYI it wasn't slander....Oh yeah? Then: Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and don't slander here? Do something more than your continuing meaningless flailing about here.
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Post by mountain on Jul 26, 2023 5:16:30 GMT -5
chuck Where is your decency and integrity? You presently flail around on this thread with expletives and abusive posts. Take the time to prepare statements stating all your allegations supported with cold hard fact, verified and undeniable. Then present them to each person you presently abuse and slander here?Keep record of the letters/emails you send them, keep record of their response (or lack of it) and report back there. I'll fully support you.If you want any addresses or email addresses of those you are slandering and making accusations agains here, then contact me by pm and I'll get them for you. Time for you to' man up'. Do something more than your present meaningless flailing about here.With all due respects I think people should register their concerns with www.advocatesforthetruth.com/. Is not Advocates for Truth predominantly a USA focussed set up? I understand they are snowed under with responses, etc? However, I may be wrong. The TBTA set up clearly has controversy attached to it, which if not addressed properly, could prove to be damaging. This we want to avoid as much as possible. In this world nothing is attacked more than good motives. The antipodean antics in my view, require an antipodean answer. TBTA sounds like a good start, but I think it could benefit from sect based involvement at a higher level? Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Internationalstudies is that man. His tongue must be aligned with a proper commitment to eradicating all forms of abuse within the 2x2 sect as well as introducing proper crime prevention measures (not just education). Fronting 'Justice Working At The Truth' he has the ability I'm sure, along with a specially dedicated, chosen team, to force through the necessary changes as well as sensitively dealing with victims of abuse. It is essential that these matters are now addressed swiftly, if the sect is to survive these calamitous times. Delay will just allow the poison to fester. Internationalstudies should even at this present moment, be planning to collaborate with TBTA in moving things forward. A partnership between TBTA and Justice Working At The Truth, has the potential to move things forward with undue haste and hopefully bring comfort to victims and preserve what can of the 2x2 sect in Australia.
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Post by mountain on Jul 26, 2023 5:19:37 GMT -5
All of you quit the arguing! Start working together. There are more important things to consider than your entrenched opinions and perceptions.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 26, 2023 5:34:00 GMT -5
You have gone silent. Let me remind you - Ross is the front man of this show. One quote: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect". So the motives are fairly clear.Mountain "Internationalstudies should even at this present moment, be planning to collaborate with TBTA in moving things forward." "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends,We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far.We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship.We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse." Ross' latest fig leaf covering for his 'anti 2x2 cult' crusade doesn't cut the mustard with me!
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 26, 2023 5:38:00 GMT -5
All of you quit the arguing! Start working together. There are more important things to consider than your entrenched opinions and perceptions. Start work with together him...... helping many leave the sect?
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Post by mountain on Jul 26, 2023 6:42:44 GMT -5
All of you quit the arguing! Start working together. There are more important things to consider than your entrenched opinions and perceptions. Start work with together him...... helping many leave the sect? First we need to bang your two heads together. This is far more important than anyone's crusades or biases. By showing genuine concern for victims and ways of eradicating the evils of CSA etc., you can put aside any personal agendas and focus on the main objective. If anyone wants to leave the sect, or in their circumstances this would be better for them, then this should not be resisted. Presumably there is a revolving door, so that if anyone changed their mind at any time, this can be used? Lead by example Internationalstudies. Make 'Justice Working At The Truth' an example led initiative. You do the right thing and you will shame anyone who does otherwise. It might take time, but it will work. You are in the perfect position to do it. Are we going to do the right thing or are we going to needlessly use up threads and posts attacking one another? Meanwhile there is an abuse victim out there who desperately needs someone to talk to, someone who can offer genuine support........and an offender who needs castrated!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2023 8:32:40 GMT -5
Start work with together him...... helping many leave the sect? First we need to bang your two heads together. This is far more important than anyone's crusades or biases. By showing genuine concern for victims and ways of eradicating the evils of CSA etc., you can put aside any personal agendas and focus on the main objective. If anyone wants to leave the sect, or in their circumstances this would be better for them, then this should not be resisted. Presumably there is a revolving door, so that if anyone changed their mind at any time, this can be used? Lead by example Internationalstudies. Make 'Justice Working At The Truth' an example led initiative. You do the right thing and you will shame anyone who does otherwise. It might take time, but it will work. You are in the perfect position to do it. Are we going to do the right thing or are we going to needlessly use up threads and posts attacking one another? Meanwhile there is an abuse victim out there who desperately needs someone to talk to, someone who can offer genuine support........and an offender who needs castrated! I'll agree with that, the meeting of minds at high speed would benefit quite a few... (ram) circa 2014-2020?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 26, 2023 14:18:29 GMT -5
For the record's sake: It was suggested looking at a few thousand of Ross Bowden's 5500+ TMB posts to understand what Ross is really is like beneath his brave heart Australia 'fig leaf covering'. What has happened? : There is just a few hundred of his posts remain. All the rabid obsessed 'anti 2x2 cult' ones have been 'cleansed' from his record. They didn't sync so well with the brave heart Aust 'fig leaf covering' gig he's running at present. His slogan: "Today he is a crusader for the victims, helping many to leave the sect".
You don't need to be a CSA victim for him to help 'you leave the sect'! He'll readily help anyone to get out of the 2x2 cult! Suffering PTSD with it? He or Vianne (a 'Mental Health First Aid professional' ) will counsel. (snow's question : "If it's all Christian churches what does it matter?")
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Post by snow on Jul 26, 2023 14:32:30 GMT -5
All of you quit the arguing! Start working together. There are more important things to consider than your entrenched opinions and perceptions. Start work with together him...... helping many leave the sect? Tell me. What difference does it make if they leave? Do you want people to stay that don't want to stay? I don't understand your problem with people leaving. People switch churches all the time. If it's all Christian churches what does it matter?
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Post by chuck on Jul 26, 2023 16:03:31 GMT -5
Start work with together him...... helping many leave the sect? Tell me. What difference does it make if they leave? Do you want people to stay that don't want to stay? I don't understand your problem with people leaving. People switch churches all the time. If it's all Christian churches what does it matter? All this arguing is at least showing some agenda's which take priority over others. Most people religious or not seem to be in favour of helping people over and above the church.
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