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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 15:29:49 GMT -5
THE BIG LIE IS OVERSEERS AND WORKERS AND ELDERS AND FRIENDS NOT ADMITTING THE CSA PROBLEM WORLDWIDE . MY CSA STARTED AT 2 YEARS OLD UNTIL I PUNCHED THAT OVERSEER IN THE FACE WHEN HE WENT TO GRAB ME AT THE LUNCH FOLLOWING MY GRANDPA’S FUNERAL ! EXCOMMUNICATED AT 13 AFTER BEING RAPED BY THE SAME WORKER ! HE IS DEAD THANK GOODNESS 😅 . APOLOGIZING TO ME AT AGE 40 SAYING WE DID YOU WRONG 😑 NO HE DID ME RIGHT I WAS NEVER CSA/SA AFTER BEING EXCOMMUNICATED ! PUT THE PUZZLE BACK TOGETHER . START THE TRUTH OVER WITH GOOD WORKERS LIKE JONATHAN AND MANY I KNOW !!!!!!!!!!PLUS MY CHILD BEING RAPED AT NINE YEARS OLD AFTER PROFESSING AT CONVENTION . SHE WAS THERE WITH HER GRANDPARENTS .HE IS STILL ALIVE IN CALGARY WITH A WIFE AND A MEETING , THAT IS SICKENING . I HAD STILL NOT SPOKEN ABOUT ALL OF MY SEXUAL ABUSE YET !
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Post by snow on Jul 5, 2023 17:55:06 GMT -5
I think people have missed the implications of Mary's post. Snow you certainly have! But not the implications you have in mind!!!!!!!jwnz | May 14, 2023 at 3:12 pm
There is absolutely nothing edifying about this wicked website. I’m reminded of Hymn 278. A wise worker wrote that, and one verse speaks about how he had to deal with many similar situations. “Oh for the peace of a perfect trust, that looks away from all.” I pray you can learn to look away from the sins and shortcomings of others and stop turning so many hearts against the Truth and sending them to hell.
answer I suspect this is a parody post.
If not, please be advised that in most jurisdictions, covering up crimes is considered a criminal act.
Also note. To edify is “instruct or improve (someone) morally or intellectually.” At its core, that is what this “wicked” site exercises.jwnz | May 14, 2023 at 7:17 pm I most certainly did not advocate for anyone to cover up crimes and you know it. You are the one running the extrajudicial gossip and slander channel. Making and allowing unproven and inaccurate accusations that are ruining people’s lives. Posting emails that are clearly marked private. Stirring up new outrage about cases that were decided in court years and decades ago. And worst of all, defying those who have spiritual authority over you.answer to jwnz Not okay to let this continue. This is horrifying. By attitudes like yours, the entire situation has been allowed to grow to enormous crimes. This is not what real truth is about.answer to jwnz I have worked out who you are. I am horrified by your comments. I am a professing friend and this website is doing far more to help victims than wrong. So much evil behavior by Workers, this deplorable behavior has been going well documented for over 20 years. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. You as a worker need to read and think about what I have written below. Enough is enough. We are disgusted when we see men who are not Christian’s sexually abusing. These are supposed to be our spiritual shepherds. Pure evil hypocrisy. NZ has one ex worker that has multiple victims all over the country and has never faced prison as he should. Ruined young lives.
Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
To those who abuse: the sin is yours, the crime is yours, and the shame is yours. To those who protect the perpetrators: blaming the victims only masks the evil within, making you as guilty as those who abuse. Stand up for the innocent or go down with the rest.
In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.answer to jwnz Turn away? Friends have trusted the workers to deal with things for over 40 years that I’m aware. The period of grace has gone. I notice you have little to say about the fact that each perpetrator has usually multiple victims. Each one of those children will have as a teenager and adult a life time of physiological trauma to battle with. Forgiveness and restoration comes after honesty, remorse, repentance and a consequence paid for there action. THEN and only then can restoration happen. Workers do not have spiritual authority over us – God has, with the guiding power of the Holy Spirit. Workers are Shepherds of the sheep and preachers of the message of Christ to bring salvation to the broken hearted. The lowliest of men, who are filled with humility and grateful for open homes and the care that is offered. Tending to the flock but caring for the wounded individual. Care – the provision of what is necessary for the health, welfare, maintenance and protection of someone. I suspect your a worker, concerned about your spiritual authority being challenged and power over others. Very sad shameful post.answer to jwnz I am not accusing you of being mentally unstable, but you are speaking as though you are answer to jwnz jwnz has suggested that, quote” Oh for the peace of a perfect trust, that looks away from all.” I pray you can learn to look away from the sins and shortcomings of others and stop turning so many hearts against the Truth and sending them to hell.”
In my humble opinion, no stable minded person would suggest this, understanding the atrocities we are facing. Far from looking away, we need to really focus on this problem before we can move forward.Answer to jwnz JWNZ it’s not hard to work out who you are. You can be so helpful yet so harmful. This website is far from wicked. I’ve been told that you’ve wept for victims yet you call this website wicked. Doesn’t add up to me. Why look at something you think is wicked? The workers in New Zealand have treated victims appallingly for years so please don’t bash people who are trying their level best to advocate for those exact same victims.If anyone else wants to read the rest of the replies to jwnz here is the link to the page on wings that gives info on the site. Scroll down to the comments section and it looks like jwnz's comment about a wicked website was not received well. wingsfortruth.info/Snow You are another undiscerning sucker who has fallen for the malicious deception.. Wonder if the imposter is feeling so 'clever/smug' now? It has backfired on them with the only real result being a trigger adding to the trauma of an already suffering CSA victim. I'm almost tempted in disgust to feel "May they burn in hell". A person so low, I doubt they will face up, come clean and apologise to the CSA victim they have triggered). Am I? Undiscerning? Whoever posted that is definitely disliked and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. I am so tired of people discrediting survivors stories.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 5, 2023 17:59:54 GMT -5
Snow You are another undiscerning sucker who has fallen for the malicious deception.. Wonder if the imposter is feeling so 'clever/smug' now? It has backfired on them with the only real result being a trigger adding to the trauma of an already suffering CSA victim. I'm almost tempted in disgust to feel "May they burn in hell". A person so low, I doubt they will face up, come clean and apologise to the CSA victim they have triggered). Am I? Undiscerning? Whoever posted that is definitely disliked and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. I am so tired of people discrediting survivors stories. Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:02:01 GMT -5
International DA YOU GOING AFTER SOMEONE ELSE LIKE SNOW BETTER BACK OFF RIGHT NOW I KNOW THIS PERSON FACE TO FACE !!! LAST WARNING JW FROM NZ
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:02:41 GMT -5
Stop abusing people on line you idiot ! Back off now ! Don’t make me get on a plane DA
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:08:23 GMT -5
You are going down dude ! You have exceeded my grace !
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Post by snow on Jul 5, 2023 18:10:46 GMT -5
Am I? Undiscerning? Whoever posted that is definitely disliked and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. I am so tired of people discrediting survivors stories. Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts. Yes I did. I asked Am I? Undiscerning? If it wasn't you I certainly understand why you are upset and I accept that. I hate what that person has done. I was very disappointed to think you had been saying you were concerned and then that. So I am very happy that it wasn't you.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:11:59 GMT -5
THE BIG LIE IS OVERSEERS AND WORKERS AND ELDERS AND FRIENDS NOT ADMITTING THE CSA PROBLEM WORLDWIDE . MY CSA STARTED AT 2 YEARS OLD UNTIL I PUNCHED THAT OVERSEER IN THE FACE WHEN HE WENT TO GRAB ME AT THE LUNCH FOLLOWING MY GRANDPA’S FUNERAL ! EXCOMMUNICATED AT 13 AFTER BEING RAPED BY THE SAME WORKER ! HE IS DEAD THANK GOODNESS 😅 . APOLOGIZING TO ME AT AGE 40 SAYING WE DID YOU WRONG 😑 NO HE DID ME RIGHT I WAS NEVER CSA/SA AFTER BEING EXCOMMUNICATED ! PUT THE PUZZLE BACK TOGETHER . START THE TRUTH OVER WITH GOOD WORKERS LIKE JONATHAN AND MANY I KNOW !!!!!!!!!!PLUS MY CHILD BEING RAPED AT NINE YEARS OLD AFTER PROFESSING AT CONVENTION . SHE WAS THERE WITH HER GRANDPARENTS .HE IS STILL ALIVE IN CALGARY WITH A WIFE AND A MEETING , THAT IS SICKENING . I HAD STILL NOT SPOKEN ABOUT ALL OF MY SEXUAL ABUSE YET ! I acknowledge and accept what you are telling. I support you in any unfinished business that must be set right regarding your child and abuse by her grandfather, alive in Calgary and with a meeting still in his home. YO SHE WAS NOT CSA/SA BY HER GRANDFATHER ! Her grandpa died in 2013 you idiot ! Reading skills lacking ? Dude I am done with you . Grow up ! you are the worst kind of worker other than predators ! Take care of the pedo’s in NZ ! Cause you got the sick MF’S there as well . How dare you speak of my father that way , he was a better person than you . You are disgusting 🤢 I hold nothing back and don’t play nice with people like you Off to admin again
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:19:47 GMT -5
MY CHILD WAS RAPED BY A WORKER . You are short of a few sandwich’s in your basket 🧺 Actually I am going to hold you liable for that statement . Get a lawyer
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 5, 2023 18:35:05 GMT -5
I HAVE EMAILED YOUR OVERSEER ! Deal with it you are DAF
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 5, 2023 22:36:37 GMT -5
Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts. Yes I did. I asked Am I? Undiscerning? If it wasn't you I certainly understand why you are upset and I accept that. I hate what that person has done. I was very disappointed to think you had been saying you were concerned and then that. So I am very happy that it wasn't you. Thank you Snow,I appreciate your gracious honest response!
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Post by verna on Jul 5, 2023 23:21:33 GMT -5
MY CHILD WAS RAPED BY A WORKER . You are short of a few sandwich’s in your basket 🧺 Actually I am going to hold you liable for that statement . Get a lawyer Chinesewhispers, Has your child reported this to the police? If not please get in touch with Cynthia and she will assist and support your child.I am very sad this has happened to your child. Good lord!!! Chinese whisper’s daughter is dead. Do you even read her posts!
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Post by guest8 on Jul 6, 2023 5:01:58 GMT -5
Umm may I suggest you 'drop it'/cease here. Exercise a little wisdom.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 6, 2023 12:57:33 GMT -5
August 18, 2020 Caroline Patricia Gallant Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 39 years Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Cremation Hillerest Crematorium Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Patricia Calgary, Alberta Mother We at Hillcrest Funeral Home, 210 Wess Road, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan certify the above to be a true statement from our records dated on Thursday, October 01, 2020. Certified By: Carley Brown Funeral Director
Just in case anyone on here from Canada doesn’t know , please know you must make final identification immediately prior to cremation .
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 6, 2023 13:33:15 GMT -5
Dear Chinesewhispers, My heart grief and sorrow is with you. SORRY I haven't followed you posts closely enough to know this of your child. I have respected you for a long time. Knowing this only deepens it. my sincere heart sympathy and care to you. I wish I could reach out and show that more than I can do in these words here. Please pm me with more contacts if you will allow me to do this. I am very sad.
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Post by fixit on Jul 6, 2023 14:56:57 GMT -5
THE BIG LIE IS OVERSEERS AND WORKERS AND ELDERS AND FRIENDS NOT ADMITTING THE CSA PROBLEM WORLDWIDE . MY CSA STARTED AT 2 YEARS OLD UNTIL I PUNCHED THAT OVERSEER IN THE FACE WHEN HE WENT TO GRAB ME AT THE LUNCH FOLLOWING MY GRANDPA’S FUNERAL ! EXCOMMUNICATED AT 13 AFTER BEING RAPED BY THE SAME WORKER ! HE IS DEAD THANK GOODNESS 😅 . APOLOGIZING TO ME AT AGE 40 SAYING WE DID YOU WRONG 😑 NO HE DID ME RIGHT I WAS NEVER CSA/SA AFTER BEING EXCOMMUNICATED ! PUT THE PUZZLE BACK TOGETHER . START THE TRUTH OVER WITH GOOD WORKERS LIKE JONATHAN AND MANY I KNOW !!!!!!!!!!PLUS MY CHILD BEING RAPED AT NINE YEARS OLD AFTER PROFESSING AT CONVENTION . SHE WAS THERE WITH HER GRANDPARENTS .HE IS STILL ALIVE IN CALGARY WITH A WIFE AND A MEETING , THAT IS SICKENING . I HAD STILL NOT SPOKEN ABOUT ALL OF MY SEXUAL ABUSE YET ! I'm pretty sure everyone on TMB has the deepest sympathy for you and all would fully support bringing the criminals to justice. Your daughter being raped by a worker at convention after you allowing her to be there with her grandparents is one of the most evil actions imaginable. What are the overseers saying about this guy having a meeting in his home?
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Post by fixit on Jul 6, 2023 15:03:56 GMT -5
Am I? Undiscerning? Whoever posted that is definitely disliked and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. I am so tired of people discrediting survivors stories. Without a doubt the jwnz who posted online is dispicable and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. However I've seen no good reason to believe internationalstudies has any connection with jwnz.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 6, 2023 16:24:20 GMT -5
Am I? Undiscerning? Whoever posted that is definitely disliked and totally insensitive to survivors of CSA. I am so tired of people discrediting survivors stories. Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts. You're the one that thinks he's a big cheese for a church full of pedophiles that hides its beginnings. You're the one that should be feeling a bit foolish right now.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 6, 2023 16:42:51 GMT -5
Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts. You're the one that thinks he's a big cheese for a church full of pedophiles that hides its beginnings. You're the one that should be feeling a bit foolish right now. From internationalstudies I support you in any unfinished business that must be set right regarding your child and abuse by her grandfather, alive in Calgary and with a meeting still in his home. My father adored his first grandchild to the moon and back . Then he tells me I should have her report it to Cynthia . I am working with Cynthia and team . My child died of COVID-19 on August 18th at home with me by her side ! I checked on her at 8:31 and she was sleeping . In again at 9:33 pm and she was dead !
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 6, 2023 16:54:54 GMT -5
Snow you are not acknowledging that you have been duped. Then in an attempt to to distract and excuse yourself you say what you do. Face the facts. You're the one that thinks he's a big cheese for a church full of pedophiles that hides its beginnings. You're the one that should be feeling a bit foolish right now. No I'm not feeling foolish. But I am feeling sad and disappointed about things that have happened in our church and ministry. I am a small fish, but doing what I know to be right in my pond. Seeing that things from the past that still need addressing are addressed. Also that things are in place for the future and the safety of children and young people.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 6, 2023 16:56:17 GMT -5
You're the one that thinks he's a big cheese for a church full of pedophiles that hides its beginnings. You're the one that should be feeling a bit foolish right now. From internationalstudies I support you in any unfinished business that must be set right regarding your child and abuse by her grandfather, alive in Calgary and with a meeting still in his home. My father adored his first grandchild to the moon and back . Then he tells me I should have her report it to Cynthia . I am working with Cynthia and team . My child died of COVID-19 on August 18th at home with me by her side ! I checked on her at 8:31 and she was sleeping . In again at 9:33 pm and she was dead ! oh dear dear. I weep with you, pm me with contact details if you wish. I'll call you!
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Post by Mary on Jul 9, 2023 19:18:23 GMT -5
(FALSE)evidence of what you posted. (Mary how apt that the title of this thread is...... 'the big lie!) WINGS for Truth, JWNZ / May 14, 2023 at 3.12 pm. "There is absolutely nothing edifying about this wicked website (WINGS)......I pray that you can learn to look away from the sins and shortcomings of others and stop turning so many hearts against the Truth and sending them the to hell". 2 posts later you continued: Calling it a gossip and slander channel. "Denying those who have spiritual authority over you". Responses to your posts were of disgust. Well look at this! here is Mary back after a few years with some more of her mischief! Your good mother wouldn't tolerate this, good straight shooter that lady! The 'jwnz scam' that you are trying to milk is exposed on WINGS for Truth! The very source you quote!!!!! The board moderators' correctly decided that the skunk posting as jwnz would be barred from doing so again using that avatar. The low person imposting as jwnz has ALREADY triggered a CSA victim, and now you 'mary', one who claims to a professional in the CSA field are adding fuel to the fire!! Can't believe it!!! Trying to milking it. Blinded by the chip on your shoulder you have against your late mother's church. (and of your father at the end stage of his life.) I wonder what your professional board would have to say if they knew who the 'Mary on TMB' is in real life?! I remember a few years ago you offering your services in the CSA field here on TMB. I was a bit lukewarm on the idea, questioning your suitability for the role. 😳 That ruffled your feathers! But how correct my feelings were and remain! I will respond to your post in due time. I have been away and unable to write much. I am well aware of the threats you make against those who speak out against your church especially now it is in complete disarray.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 9, 2023 23:16:14 GMT -5
Well look at this! here is Mary back after a few years with some more of her mischief! Your good mother wouldn't tolerate this, good straight shooter that lady! The 'jwnz scam' that you are trying to milk is exposed on WINGS for Truth! The very source you quote!!!!! The board moderators' correctly decided that the skunk posting as jwnz would be barred from doing so again using that avatar. The low person imposting as jwnz has ALREADY triggered a CSA victim, and now you 'mary', one who claims to a professional in the CSA field are adding fuel to the fire!! Can't believe it!!! Trying to milking it. Blinded by the chip on your shoulder you have against your late mother's church. (and of your father at the end stage of his life.) I wonder what your professional board would have to say if they knew who the 'Mary on TMB' is in real life?! I remember a few years ago you offering your services in the CSA field here on TMB. I was a bit lukewarm on the idea, questioning your suitability for the role. 😳 That ruffled your feathers! But how correct my feelings were and remain! I will respond to your post in due time. I have been away and unable to write much. I am well aware of the threats you make against those who speak out against your church especially now it is in complete disarray. mary, this 'doesn't cut the mustard'. It would have taken two minutes to admit you made a false and malicious post, withdraw it and apologise. but you rather bluster with your: i)'no time to write' weak excuse and ii) your 'complete disarray' distraction comment. Do the decent thing, withdraw it and apologise . snow has done it..she is showing you up.I'll soon forget about your foolishness in making that post if you do so.
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Post by Mary on Jul 10, 2023 0:39:25 GMT -5
You have included several topics on your post to which I will respond.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 1:09:01 GMT -5
I will respond to your post in due time. I have been away and unable to write much. I am well aware of the threats you make against those who speak out against your church especially now it is in complete disarray. mary, this 'doesn't cut the mustard'. It would have taken two minutes to admit you made a false and malicious post, withdraw it and apologise. but you rather bluster with your: i)'no time to write' weak excuse and ii) your 'complete disarray' distraction comment. Do the decent thing, withdraw it and apologise . snow has done it..she is showing you up.I'll soon forget about your foolishness in making that post if you do so. No one is worried if you forget or not. pound sand...
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 10, 2023 1:09:17 GMT -5
You have included several topics on your post to which I will respond. Just address the issue at hand ; your false mischievous post. You don't seem to have the decency to just simply say 'sorry I got it wrong' like snow did? 🤷♂️ then
if you wish, go on with your 'several topics'.
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Post by Mary on Jul 10, 2023 1:22:18 GMT -5
You have included several topics on your post to which I will respond. Just address the issue at hand ; your false mischievous post. You don't seem to have the decency to just simply say 'sorry I got it wrong' like snow did? 🤷♂️ then
if you wish, go on with your 'several topics'. You write several topics in one post so I will answer them in one post.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 10, 2023 1:30:12 GMT -5
Just address the issue at hand ; your false mischievous post. You don't seem to have the decency to just simply say 'sorry I got it wrong' like snow did? 🤷♂️ then
if you wish, go on with your 'several topics'. You write several topics in one post so I will answer them in one post. As you wish, But regarding your mischievous/malicious false post. Wonder if you will have decency and honesty like snow? She responded simply, honestly and directly with: " I hate what that person has done. I was very disappointed to think you had been saying you were concerned and then that. So I am very happy that it wasn't you."
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