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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 5, 2023 1:01:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I have been in the world. I have been other places. I have seen other people, and there is nowhere else MY heart gets fed. I am not speaking about anyone else. I am speaking about me. There is no where else that makes my heart sing with love, joy, and peace. There are people I enjoy being around, but not like those I share true fellowship with. I have sat in services, but they did nothing for me, and I tried to get something. I am not saying those are wrong, but they did nothing for me. But to each his own. A group with a long history of covering up a abuse of all kinds is your own? Sometimes it boils down to your Sunday morning meeting, and how good it is. If you travel and happen to be in another that is just as good, you’ll feel at home. However the same also applies to other church services too for me. I have felt just at home in a church in Fiji, or a church in Aitutaki, and spiritually fed, as in our own Sunday morning meeting.
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2023 1:50:16 GMT -5
So let’s get back to my question. If any faith works if you are sincere in your soul to the essence of the teachings, why stick with a fringe, fundamentalist, less than truthful church that has boring meetings and no fun? Its faith in Christ and his teachings that matter. Faith in a church that seldom teaches from the bible, is not aligned with Christ, or manipulates doctrine after the traditions of men, can be phony fronts for money-making hypocrites.
The bible warns; "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." ( 1 John 4:1)
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." (Matthew 7:15) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16: 17-19).. Also Philippians 3:17-21. There's a huge difference between the teachings of Catholics, Latter Day Saints, Seventh-day Adventist, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.. Being sincere and putting your faith in 'their' teachings may be far worse than a fringe group of fundamentalist. "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39)
Your first paragraph sounds like you are talking about meetings there. Faith in your church is what the workers preach. Mainline churches dont preach about people putting their faith in a church, they preach faith in Jesus. Add the workers church / 2x2s to your list. LDS, SDA, JWs, 2x2s....all have their own brand of teachings and teach faith in their church. Manipulates the Gospel and preaches the rules and traditions of men. Many of them preach one thing on a Sunday and live another way during the week. We've seen this to be true especially of late.
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Post by chuck on Jun 5, 2023 2:05:46 GMT -5
Good God! Where does a worker get off making predictions of 2/3’s or any fraction. So according to these workers 99.9999 I don’t know percent of everyone who has lived since jesus died and I guess before are going to hell, and even these tiny, minuscule few aren’t going to make it, after all those no’s and varieties of deprivations? Why would a god bother for so few. There will be many saved that we know nothing about today. God tries the hearts and He know who are His, even if we don't. But yes... Matthew 7:13 KJV - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: The Narrow way was an ancient Hebrew teaching method, it predates Jesus and was not talking about the mystery places the religion Christianity call heaven and hell. It was in fact a teaching method about intention and the further along the road you go the more focused you have to be as the forks in the road got narrower as you went to Jerusalem. Another way look at it is the time and effort applied of a recreational soccer player to that of a professional soccer player. The higher up the ranks you go the more focused your intentions have to be. In light of the sermon on the mount Jesus was basically saying to live the best life you need to focus your intentions as the closer you get to the best life the more focused you have to become. If the workers did some homework and learnt some history of the book many often weponise maybe we would be discussing less about the broad way of cover-ups........
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 13:15:33 GMT -5
Four new letters up ! I am a little behind . May already be on WINGS . Back to paper work , that must be completed today . See ya on the flip side
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 14:17:01 GMT -5
YOU HAVE LIVED IN THE WORLD ? SO HAVE I ! BUT THE RELIGION YOU WORSHIP , HAS RUINED MANY LIVES !! THAT INCLUDES MINE My relationship with my higher power is one on one . I don’t need to be in a house or convention to have my relationship or in a church . So you are a victim of CSA AND SA ? From age 2-13 , then in 2016 and 2018 . So you became an alcoholic ? You honored your parents and took them to all meetings , special meetings and conventions from 2005 to 2019 ? As a non-professing person . So you were sitting at the handicapped tables to feed your father with Alzheimer’s and told you didn’t belong . Yes I was responsible for my father . I allowed my mom time to enjoy the fellowship and just let her enjoy herself . You were told you couldn’t sleep in the elderly house , even though you were also responsible for your mom whom had Parkinson’s ? And people who you had known you all your life , calling you tattooed lady and piercings . They knew my name . You had to see your abusers while there ? You were a part of 3 murder trials in court ? You worked in the men’s world of construction as a supervisor ? Then a 60 foot bus , when I knew I could not work out of town anymore because I needed to look after and stay with my parents as they aged and endured Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s . I AM A FEMALE BUT WORKED IN MENS WORLD . I had taken back my power and I called the shots . I had to prove myself ! To be accepted as the first woman supervisor in Alberta . With all my tickets including H2S for camp jobs . Did I enjoy it ? Absolutely because no MAN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME BECAUSE I WAS IN CHARGE . You had 3 kids that became addicts . Your husband/wife committed suicide . You became a single parent ? You lost a child to COVID-19 at 39 years old ? Then you lost your son-in-law 6 days later . You raised your granddaughter because her parents were drug addicts . During that time you also had foster children . Working full time and going to school after working all day ? You have been in psych ward and jail ? My parents always took the kids every Saturday night so I could get a break . I could go on and on , however Wednesday Is approaching and you have a pile of paperwork to be finished before I go to police headquarters . YOUR CHILD WAS RAPED RIGHT AFTER PROFESSING ON CONVENTION GROUNDS ? At age 9 , while at convention with her grandparents . YOU TAKE PART IN A CULT , WHERE WOMEN , CHILDREN AND MEN ARE SEXUALLY ABUSED NONSTOP AND HAVE A PREFERRED HOTEL CARD SO YOU PEOPLE/ WORKERS CAN CONTINUE TO SEXUALLY ABUSE PEOPLE ? YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE WORLD !!! Enuf already you are complicit with the sexual assault’s/allegations of rape ! Give me a break . Sorry gotta run a pile of paperwork awaits me !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 14:40:09 GMT -5
YOU HAVE LIVED IN THE WORLD ? SO HAVE I ! BUT THE RELIGION YOU WORSHIP , HAS RUINED MANY LIVES !! THAT INCLUDES MINE My relationship with my higher power is one on one . I don’t need to be in a house or convention to have my relationship or in a church . So you are a victim of CSA AND SA ? From age 2-13 , then in 2016 and 2018 . So you became an alcoholic ? You honored your parents and took them to all meetings , special meetings and conventions from 2005 to 2019 ? As a non-professing person . So you were sitting at the handicapped tables to feed your father with Alzheimer’s and told you didn’t belong . Yes I was responsible for my father . I allowed my mom time to enjoy the fellowship and just let her enjoy herself . You were told you couldn’t sleep in the elderly house , even though you were also responsible for your mom whom had Parkinson’s ? And people who you had known you all your life , calling you tattooed lady and piercings . They knew my name . You had to see your abusers while there ? You were a part of 3 murder trials in court ? You worked in the men’s world of construction as a supervisor ? Then a 60 foot bus , when I knew I could not work out of town anymore because I needed to look after and stay with my parents as they aged and endured Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s . I AM A FEMALE BUT WORKED IN MENS WORLD . I had taken back my power and I called the shots . I had to prove myself ! To be accepted as the first woman supervisor in Alberta . With all my tickets including H2S for camp jobs . Did I enjoy it ? Absolutely because no MAN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME BECAUSE I WAS IN CHARGE . You had 3 kids that became addicts . Your husband/wife committed suicide . You became a single parent ? You lost a child to COVID-19 at 39 years old ? Then you lost your son-in-law 6 days later . You raised your granddaughter because her parents were drug addicts . During that time you also had foster children . Working full time and going to school after working all day ? You have been in psych ward and jail ? My parents always took the kids every Saturday night so I could get a break . I could go on and on , however Wednesday Is approaching and you have a pile of paperwork to be finished before I go to police headquarters . YOUR CHILD WAS RAPED RIGHT AFTER PROFESSING ON CONVENTION GROUNDS ? At age 9 , while at convention with her grandparents . YOU TAKE PART IN A CULT , WHERE WOMEN , CHILDREN AND MEN ARE SEXUALLY ABUSED NONSTOP AND HAVE A PREFERRED HOTEL CARD SO YOU PEOPLE/ WORKERS CAN CONTINUE TO SEXUALLY ABUSE PEOPLE ? YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE WORLD !!! Enuf already you are complicit with the sexual assault’s/allegations of rape ! Give me a break . Sorry gotta run a pile of paperwork awaits me ! If you are speaking all of this to me, then I guess my presence on this board is only making your life worse, so I will leave. I am not complicit, I am not an abuser, and I am thankful that the filthy scum are being exposed. But I will bow out now to hopefully give you some relief.
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Post by snow on Jun 5, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -5
But there are bad apples in all facets of society. Why would it be any different for us? We have always heard that not everyone at convention will be saved. I think I remember one brother worker that said 2/3 maybe wouldn't be. I thought it was a bit harsh at the time. But seems more likely all the time. Grevious wolves among the sheep. It's nothing new, but the internet age is getting it out in the open finally. Good God! Where does a worker get off making predictions of 2/3’s or any fraction. So according to these workers 99.9999 I don’t know percent of everyone who has lived since jesus died and I guess before are going to hell, and even these tiny, minuscule few aren’t going to make it, after all those no’s and varieties of deprivations? Why would a god bother for so few. Well if you think about it only 144,000 are going to heaven according to some churches doctrine and how it's interpreted. And it will only be 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, so no Christians in yet another interpretation.
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Post by snow on Jun 5, 2023 14:52:52 GMT -5
You can’t see it until you leave it. Then you see that the few good things you held onto are everywhere. They aren’t unique to this group. These good people would be good anywhere. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I have been in the world. I have been other places. I have seen other people, and there is nowhere else MY heart gets fed. I am not speaking about anyone else. I am speaking about me. There is no where else that makes my heart sing with love, joy, and peace. There are people I enjoy being around, but not like those I share true fellowship with. I have sat in services, but they did nothing for me, and I tried to get something. I am not saying those are wrong, but they did nothing for me. But to each his own. I have to agree. We are all different and need different environments. What might be a great comfort for one person may be a great poison for someone else. I always thought the idea of meetings in the home instead of a church were more intimate and the fact that everyone could give their testimony instead of just listening to someone preach was more interactive. But I can see how that doesn't work for everyone. Many good people can't stand to be in a church at all, so they go into nature. If there really is a loving Christian god I'm sure that deity is large enough to encompass all kinds of ways to be silent and connect. The problem now appears to be that this group has long been a place where abusers were protected and victims unheard and shamed. I recognize that it happens in all organizations, but the 2x2 system has a few differences that make it easier for an abuser to groom and abuse because of the workers in the home. Some things need to change or it will continue. I know that you do not condone it, but right now supporting the workers doesn't seem like a good thing for those who have been abused and many others that knew someone that was abused.
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Post by snow on Jun 5, 2023 14:55:06 GMT -5
Four new letters up ! I am a little behind . May already be on WINGS . Back to paper work , that must be completed today . See ya on the flip side Glad you're back! Missed you.
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2023 15:00:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I have been in the world. I have been other places. I have seen other people, and there is nowhere else MY heart gets fed. I am not speaking about anyone else. I am speaking about me. There is no where else that makes my heart sing with love, joy, and peace. There are people I enjoy being around, but not like those I share true fellowship with. I have sat in services, but they did nothing for me, and I tried to get something. I am not saying those are wrong, but they did nothing for me. But to each his own. I have to agree. We are all different and need different environments. What might be a great comfort for one person may be a great poison for someone else. I always thought the idea of meetings in the home instead of a church were more intimate and the fact that everyone could give their testimony instead of just listening to someone preach was more interactive. But I can see how that doesn't work for everyone. Many good people can't stand to be in a church at all, so they go into nature. If there really is a loving Christian god I'm sure that deity is large enough to encompass all kinds of ways to be silent and connect. Most churches have their small groups too. The workers have their large Gospel meetings where they just preach.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 15:18:52 GMT -5
YOU HAVE LIVED IN THE WORLD ? SO HAVE I ! BUT THE RELIGION YOU WORSHIP , HAS RUINED MANY LIVES !! THAT INCLUDES MINE My relationship with my higher power is one on one . I don’t need to be in a house or convention to have my relationship or in a church . So you are a victim of CSA AND SA ? From age 2-13 , then in 2016 and 2018 . So you became an alcoholic ? You honored your parents and took them to all meetings , special meetings and conventions from 2005 to 2019 ? As a non-professing person . So you were sitting at the handicapped tables to feed your father with Alzheimer’s and told you didn’t belong . Yes I was responsible for my father . I allowed my mom time to enjoy the fellowship and just let her enjoy herself . You were told you couldn’t sleep in the elderly house , even though you were also responsible for your mom whom had Parkinson’s ? And people who you had known you all your life , calling you tattooed lady and piercings . They knew my name . You had to see your abusers while there ? You were a part of 3 murder trials in court ? You worked in the men’s world of construction as a supervisor ? Then a 60 foot bus , when I knew I could not work out of town anymore because I needed to look after and stay with my parents as they aged and endured Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s . I AM A FEMALE BUT WORKED IN MENS WORLD . I had taken back my power and I called the shots . I had to prove myself ! To be accepted as the first woman supervisor in Alberta . With all my tickets including H2S for camp jobs . Did I enjoy it ? Absolutely because no MAN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME BECAUSE I WAS IN CHARGE . You had 3 kids that became addicts . Your husband/wife committed suicide . You became a single parent ? You lost a child to COVID-19 at 39 years old ? Then you lost your son-in-law 6 days later . You raised your granddaughter because her parents were drug addicts . During that time you also had foster children . Working full time and going to school after working all day ? You have been in psych ward and jail ? My parents always took the kids every Saturday night so I could get a break . I could go on and on , however Wednesday Is approaching and you have a pile of paperwork to be finished before I go to police headquarters . YOUR CHILD WAS RAPED RIGHT AFTER PROFESSING ON CONVENTION GROUNDS ? At age 9 , while at convention with her grandparents . YOU TAKE PART IN A CULT , WHERE WOMEN , CHILDREN AND MEN ARE SEXUALLY ABUSED NONSTOP AND HAVE A PREFERRED HOTEL CARD SO YOU PEOPLE/ WORKERS CAN CONTINUE TO SEXUALLY ABUSE PEOPLE ? YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE WORLD !!! Enuf already you are complicit with the sexual assault’s/allegations of rape ! Give me a break . Sorry gotta run a pile of paperwork awaits me ! If you are speaking all of this to me, then I guess my presence on this board is only making your life worse, so I will leave. I am not complicit, I am not an abuser, and I am thankful that the filthy scum are being exposed. But I will bow out now to hopefully give you some relief. I don’t need relief , it’s all good . Please don’t leave , you are more than welcome . So no worries at all . I am just preparing for my final sit down with detectives !! I am a pretty chill person . Please don’t leave . Just prepare for what is coming . Ya I was a little rough on you , my bad 😥
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 15:38:13 GMT -5
I AM COMING HEAVY!! So they should seek shelter . After seeing my cuz’s , I have many reasons to be COMING HEAVY ! Go get 'em! You inspired me with your go get ‘em btw
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Post by snow on Jun 5, 2023 15:55:43 GMT -5
I have to agree. We are all different and need different environments. What might be a great comfort for one person may be a great poison for someone else. I always thought the idea of meetings in the home instead of a church were more intimate and the fact that everyone could give their testimony instead of just listening to someone preach was more interactive. But I can see how that doesn't work for everyone. Many good people can't stand to be in a church at all, so they go into nature. If there really is a loving Christian god I'm sure that deity is large enough to encompass all kinds of ways to be silent and connect. Most churches have their small groups too. The workers have their large Gospel meetings where they just preach. And they work for you. The friends like their meetings. It shouldn't matter where you worship, but who you worship. Why do Christians always think it's got to be in a certain format?
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2023 16:12:56 GMT -5
Most churches have their small groups too. The workers have their large Gospel meetings where they just preach. And they work for you. The friends like their meetings. It shouldn't matter where you worship, but who you worship. Why do Christians always think it's got to be in a certain format? Absolutely, it does not have to be a certain format. The workers make it a format. Format is man made. The whole workers way is based on a man made format. So much for the spirit leading. Where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he is in their midst. Nothing about it having to be in a home.
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Post by christiansburg on Jun 5, 2023 16:16:44 GMT -5
If you are speaking all of this to me, then I guess my presence on this board is only making your life worse, so I will leave. I am not complicit, I am not an abuser, and I am thankful that the filthy scum are being exposed. But I will bow out now to hopefully give you some relief. I don’t need relief , it’s all good . Please don’t leave , you are more than welcome . So no worries at all . I am just preparing for my final sit down with detectives !! I am a pretty chill person . Please don’t leave . Just prepare for what is coming . Ya I was a little rough on you , my bad 😥 Is it more than Alberta?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 16:20:21 GMT -5
Could be , might even be in South Africa , my dear cuz lived in eastern Canada 🇨🇦
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 5, 2023 16:34:20 GMT -5
I am a great poker player . No one ever sees my hand . I will also stare people down , no problem
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 18:08:14 GMT -5
And they work for you. The friends like their meetings. It shouldn't matter where you worship, but who you worship. Why do Christians always think it's got to be in a certain format? Absolutely, it does not have to be a certain format. The workers make it a format. Format is man made. The whole workers way is based on a man made format. So much for the spirit leading. Where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he is in their midst. Nothing about it having to be in a home. It's drawn from clues in the NT hardly man made. Irvine whoever he thought he was didn't pull it from an 1880's Sears and Roebuck catalog, Harper's Weekly or Farmers Almanac.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 5, 2023 18:13:38 GMT -5
Absolutely, it does not have to be a certain format. The workers make it a format. Format is man made. The whole workers way is based on a man made format. So much for the spirit leading. Where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he is in their midst. Nothing about it having to be in a home. It's drawn from clues in the NT hardly man made. Irvine whomever he thought he was didn't pull it from an 1880's Sears and Roebuck catalog, Harper's Weekly or Farmers Almanac. Whoever, not whomever (nominative case, not accusative) Here endeth the Latin lesson
Errare humanum est.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 18:43:46 GMT -5
If you are speaking all of this to me, then I guess my presence on this board is only making your life worse, so I will leave. I am not complicit, I am not an abuser, and I am thankful that the filthy scum are being exposed. But I will bow out now to hopefully give you some relief. I don’t need relief , it’s all good . Please don’t leave , you are more than welcome . So no worries at all . I am just preparing for my final sit down with detectives !! I am a pretty chill person . Please don’t leave . Just prepare for what is coming . Ya I was a little rough on you , my bad 😥 OK, thank you! I am glad for what is being done. I feel so powerless to do anything against the evil that is being exposed, but the ones who are, thank you! All the best in your preparations!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 18:50:33 GMT -5
You inspired me with your go get ‘em btw 😠😡👿😤🗯🤬 watch out to anyone that has been doing evil deeds in secret and then go around with your pious looks and your condemning judgement! You are on the target and a dart is coming right after you! 🎯
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Post by guest8 on Jun 6, 2023 0:29:02 GMT -5
Most churches have their small groups too. The workers have their large Gospel meetings where they just preach. And they work for you. The friends like their meetings. It shouldn't matter where you worship, but who you worship. Why do Christians always think it's got to be in a certain format? Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by fixit on Jun 6, 2023 1:13:02 GMT -5
Most churches have their small groups too. The workers have their large Gospel meetings where they just preach. And they work for you. The friends like their meetings. It shouldn't matter where you worship, but who you worship. Why do Christians always think it's got to be in a certain format? People have put importance on a place of worship for a long time... John 4:21 Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23 But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. 24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 6, 2023 7:04:19 GMT -5
JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW IN THE EAST COAST OF USA ! A overseer whom is hiding offender’s such as Kingsley Stone is headed your way . He is hiding Kingsley as an overseer . His name is andrewwrobn@gmail.com . Hide your children ! Unbelievable no , sanctimonious yes ! You are being watched and reported idiots . This is transparency !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 6, 2023 7:09:52 GMT -5
Do tell , where do they get the money as people are going without supper across the world , including friends Must be nice 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 8:18:08 GMT -5
The issue of pedophilia and child sexual abuse (CSA) in the 2x2 community is causing understandable concern and outrage among everyone here. These heinous crimes leave lifelong scars on their victims.
However, it is important to address a significant concern that often goes unmentioned. When comparing the moral standards of today to those presented in the Bible, it becomes evident that our current sensibilities have greatly improved. For example, the Bible suggests that if a young girl is raped, the punishment for the rapist is for the victim to be forced into marrying her assailant. In today's society, this would be considered an unjust punishment for the young girl, and rightly so. It was wrong then, and it remains wrong now.
Furthermore, the Bible's stance on pedophilia and CSA seems lacking. It advises followers to forgive the pedophile (Matthew 18:21-22) up to seventy-seven times. This raises questions about the moral guidance provided. If pedophilia were a significant moral concern according to the Bible, one would expect to find extensive discussions or dedicated sections addressing the issue. However, it is barely mentioned, especially when compared to sins such as pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, gluttony, sloth, deceit, idolatry, blasphemy, and others.
To illustrate this point, consider the discrepancy in societal outrage. Why is there not the same level of concern expressed for sins like gluttony as there is for CSA? This disparity suggests that the Bible, as a 2,000-year-old moral guide, is outdated and insufficient when compared to modern principles of common sense.
It is time to acknowledge that relying on a 2,000-year-old Bible as the ultimate moral compass is not a reliable or adequate approach in today's world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 8:54:55 GMT -5
The issue of pedophilia and child sexual abuse (CSA) in the 2x2 community is causing understandable concern and outrage among everyone here. These heinous crimes leave lifelong scars on their victims. However, it is important to address a significant concern that often goes unmentioned. When comparing the moral standards of today to those presented in the Bible, it becomes evident that our current sensibilities have greatly improved. For example, the Bible suggests that if a young girl is raped, the punishment for the rapist is for the victim to be forced into marrying her assailant. In today's society, this would be considered an unjust punishment for the young girl, and rightly so. It was wrong then, and it remains wrong now. Furthermore, the Bible's stance on pedophilia and CSA seems lacking. It advises followers to forgive the pedophile (Matthew 18:21-22) up to seventy-seven times. This raises questions about the moral guidance provided. If pedophilia were a significant moral concern according to the Bible, one would expect to find extensive discussions or dedicated sections addressing the issue. However, it is barely mentioned, especially when compared to sins such as pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, gluttony, sloth, deceit, idolatry, blasphemy, and others. To illustrate this point, consider the discrepancy in societal outrage. Why is there not the same level of concern expressed for sins like gluttony as there is for CSA? This disparity suggests that the Bible, as a 2,000-year-old moral guide, is outdated and insufficient when compared to modern principles of common sense. It is time to acknowledge that relying on a 2,000-year-old Bible as the ultimate moral compass is not a reliable or adequate approach in today's world. The crux of the matter is that the laws presented in the Bible are not for the righteous but for the ungodly. You don't need a law at all, even in a country if everyone is an upstanding citizen and has the best interest of the community in mind, but whenever humans are involved, there will always be corruption of some sort. If everyone professing to be a Christian was guided by the two laws Jesus mentioned from the commandments, then there would not need to be any other law to guide the actions of Christians. But as we very well know, not everyone professing to be a Christian has the spirit of God guiding them, so there needs to be guardrails. Those guardrails only go so far because the laws of the land will soon be transgressed, and there doesn't really need to be an overlap of telling a group not to do things that are illegal by the laws of the land. I don't think that Matthew 18:21-22 is talking about pedophiles. Because in Matthew 18:1-6,10 Jesus makes it clear how precious children are and aren't to be hurt. Verses 8-9 make it really clear what pedophiles should do. They need to cut off the body part that is making them sin. However, when it becomes the norm to hide things that transgress the moral or religious laws of the group, then hiding illegal things becomes normal also. So the best remedy is to make it clear that those things won't be hidden and that you will be exposed and will deal with the law of the land. I wish it wasn't shameful for us to admit that there are lawless and sinners amongst us. It doesn't mean that I am lawless. That person has nothing to do with my faith in God and the fact that the Spirit is in me. They are lawless, not me. I don't want then in. I want them out! I would rather they get exposed than to make it look like we are all hiding immoral, lawless people among us. So scraping the Bible to bring us in line with modern laws is not the answer because we are seeking God, not to just stay within the law, but rather that we would all be empowered to say NO MORE FOREVER!!! And that we would understand that their sin and lawlessness does not transfer to me. Although reading on this forum makes you feel that way, especially when people publish exerpts of their books to try to prove that the sins and lawless acts and the misguided words of people who died before we were alive transfers to us for us to bear. But it simply isn't true. The only one's approval that I care about is God's.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 9:13:21 GMT -5
So scraping the Bible to bring us in line with modern laws is not the answer because we are seeking God, not to just stay within the law, but rather that we would all be empowered to say NO MORE FOREVER!!! Here is a current event story about what Saudi Arabia is doing to its enemies. It is also consistent with Luke19:27 And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me.’”The justification is; it is done by those who are seeking and trying to please God. Iran is Shia, & Saudi Arabia is Sunni. All of of which I find immoral.
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