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Post by getreal on May 20, 2023 13:44:34 GMT -5
You are the first friend who could remind of everything so I admit you represent all the people that hurt me. Not fair. It brought back an absolute flood of memories. I wish everything was just as you described. I was lead to believe all was a wonderful as you describe and I was deceived and worse controlled and manipulated by a sick person and it lead to be being trampled like what do they call it when innocents are sacrificed in warfare. An acceptable loss anyway. Because of what they hid from me. I have written to the overseer and reminded him of that. Many will report the incidences around that time. I am not central to the story. Just wounded. I am sorry you became my surrogate to take some blame of course you are not. If you just take away from this a realization that there is much more bad then you realize and listen and with hold judgement. Sorry to run on. The first word that comes to my mind is pretense. Then, veneer. I don’t do well with either of those. So I never quite fit in…. But I found there were several other friends and a few workers who had the same problem. The secrecy of the friends not really knowing what is really going on is a problem with the abuse issues. And this concept it’s not okay to be angry or upset… one must always have a right spirit…. Well Jesus wasn’t always’nice’… sometimes He got upset and He wept too. But we humans are have a tendency to avoid uncomfortable feelings. Yes it’s ok to be angry. Jesus got angry. You don’t think workers get angry. That’s another way of trying to suppress people from speaking up about things. You just have a wrong spirit, you are angry, you are bitter. They use these tactics to control because they work so well. The friends are taught to be meek, to be quiet to not question. Anger is appropriate when the circumstances are so wrong anything less would be out of touch. How can you hear of abuse of children and not be angry. If anything the friends need to wake up and get angry. To be quiet, complacent is wrong.
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Post by getreal on May 20, 2023 13:48:27 GMT -5
Its so weird because in a way why should I care about this group anymore. I guess it is because my experience in it is still unresolved. I want that overseer or I should say overseers to apologize. To admit to everyone their actions and how they were wrong in detail. They aren’t admitting the true and complete story as yet. Sure, they write sanctimonious letters and empty generalized in nature apologies. They are hoping to skate through this largely unscathed. For this group to really heal, and for those of us who are left with wounds that keep opening up to begin to truly heal, everything needs to be owned up to. Everything. From the beginning until now. We need a Nurembourg of sorts. Dale Schulz likes everything on the surface to look good. That is his goal. Jack price is famous for saying the b and r have something the come from outside people just don’t have. He was proud, dangerous, cruel. I find even those who professed and left for less dramatic reasons are terribly naive. It’s coming out though. They need to be exposed. They damaged many, many people. I don't recall Jack Price. Maybe I am fortunate? But what he said about B and R having something those from the outside don't have? That's false. When I professed, I actually heard somewhat of the opposite, believe it or not. I was told by a few of the friends that the B and R are sometimes "missing it" and take things for granted as opposed to those that weren't raised in it. But, I also detected an air of superiority from some of the long time generational friends who have a lot of family professing and are 'connected'. That is very unfortunate. I agree with you, there are things that are not resolved. I am not sure how one goes about resolving all those things, like you say if the ones who hurt you never fess up! I don't inow...I've gotten to place in my life where I really don't care what people think about me. It's between me and God. So, I have let a lot of things go....but it's been a hell of a journey.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 13:49:35 GMT -5
The first word that comes to my mind is pretense. Then, veneer. I don’t do well with either of those. So I never quite fit in…. But I found there were several other friends and a few workers who had the same problem. The secrecy of the friends not really knowing what is really going on is a problem with the abuse issues. And this concept it’s not okay to be angry or upset… one must always have a right spirit…. Well Jesus wasn’t always’nice’… sometimes He got upset and He wept too. But we humans are have a tendency to avoid uncomfortable feelings. Yes it’s ok to be angry. Jesus got angry. You don’t think workers get angry. That’s another way of trying to suppress people from speaking up about things. You just have a wrong spirit, you are angry, you are bitter. They use these tactics to control because they work so well. The friends are taught to be meek, to be quiet to not question. Anger is appropriate when the circumstances are so wrong anything less would be out of touch. How can you hear of abuse of children and not be angry. If anything the friends need to wake up and get angry. To be quiet, complacent is wrong. I really really don't think it's healthy to suppress anger. I've done that before and it wasn't good. In fact I have expressed anger before and then people tried to make me feel ASHAMED of it. But I woke up and decided, "No, oh hell no. I'm not buying into that". Another tactic people will use is GASLIGHTING. MmmmHmmmm. But no, you know what you see, you know what you hear, you know what you know. But others will try to convince you differently. This is a part of the whole problem here. There are those who simply do not want to face it head on. And they won't perhaps until they are forced to. People don't like to admit when they are wrong. That's just pride and fear. They are afraid of what will happen if they are wrong so they will hold on to "being right" for all they can.
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Post by getreal on May 20, 2023 13:54:14 GMT -5
I don't recall Jack Price. Maybe I am fortunate? But what he said about B and R having something those from the outside don't have? That's false. When I professed, I actually heard somewhat of the opposite, believe it or not. I was told by a few of the friends that the B and R are sometimes "missing it" and take things for granted as opposed to those that weren't raised in it. But, I also detected an air of superiority from some of the long time generational friends who have a lot of family professing and are 'connected'. That is very unfortunate. I agree with you, there are things that are not resolved. I am not sure how one goes about resolving all those things, like you say if the ones who hurt you never fess up! I don't inow...I've gotten to place in my life where I really don't care what people think about me. It's between me and God. So, I have leta lot of things go....but it's been a hell of a journey. [ Part of the manipulation via the sick worker was praising me up like I had more than those who were born and raised. It the way this person drew people, converts to them. In the end it completely alienated me from other workers and friends. We were this person’s proof that we had more. It was like a cult within a cult. I know I am beginning to expose myself but I don’t care what people think either. I just want people who did wrong to admit to it and yes, pay. If the friends think this is wrong I am puzzled. Don’t you want these people to face judgment now so they can have their sins forgiven.
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Post by getreal on May 20, 2023 13:55:33 GMT -5
Yes it’s ok to be angry. Jesus got angry. You don’t think workers get angry. That’s another way of trying to suppress people from speaking up about things. You just have a wrong spirit, you are angry, you are bitter. They use these tactics to control because they work so well. The friends are taught to be meek, to be quiet to not question. Anger is appropriate when the circumstances are so wrong anything less would be out of touch. How can you hear of abuse of children and not be angry. If anything the friends need to wake up and get angry. To be quiet, complacent is wrong. I really really don't think it's healthy to suppress anger. I've done that before and it wasn't good. In fact I have expressed anger before and then people tried to make me feel ASHAMED of it. But I woke up and decided, "No, oh hell no. I'm buying into that". Another tactic people will use is GASLIGHTING. MmmmHmmmm. But no, you know what you see, you know what you hear, you know what you know. But others will try to convince you differently. This is a part of the whole problem here. There are those who simply do not want to face it head on. And they won't perhaps until they are forced to. People don't like to admit when they are wrong. That's just pride and fear. They are afraid of what will happen if they are wrong so they will hold on to "being right" for all they can. Bingo
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 13:57:00 GMT -5
[ Part of the manipulation via the sick worker was praising me up like I had more than those who were born and raised. It the way this person drew people, converts to them. In the end it completely alienated me from other workers and friends. We were this person’s proof that we had more. It was like a cult within a cult. I know I am beginning to expose myself but I don’t care what people think either. I just want people who did wrong to admit to it and yes, pay. If the friends think this is wrong I am puzzled. Don’t you want these people to face judgment now so they can have their sins forgiven. Oh....I get what you are saying. MmmmHmmm.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 14:20:58 GMT -5
I really really don't think it's healthy to suppress anger. I've done that before and it wasn't good. In fact I have expressed anger before and then people tried to make me feel ASHAMED of it. But I woke up and decided, "No, oh hell no. I'm buying into that". Another tactic people will use is GASLIGHTING. MmmmHmmmm. But no, you know what you see, you know what you hear, you know what you know. But others will try to convince you differently. This is a part of the whole problem here. There are those who simply do not want to face it head on. And they won't perhaps until they are forced to. People don't like to admit when they are wrong. That's just pride and fear. They are afraid of what will happen if they are wrong so they will hold on to "being right" for all they can. Bingo I sent you a PM.
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Post by mdm on May 20, 2023 14:24:31 GMT -5
alwaysbekind , would you still have the same opinions if a Worker sexual abused one of your children? I assume you are in the US ? Great question. I understand that I don't know for sure, because its a hypothetical question. I do believe i still would have an open door to the workers. THAT particular worker would not be welcomed of course. That person would be sitting in jail. I don't dare lump together a whole group of people for a fews actions! thats not justice, thats not right. if your father was a child molester…i am very very sure you would not want to be thought of one too, and you would want to be judged on your own actions by people. same as me, and same of the other workers right now. can you imagine what the ones, who would never think of hurting a child, are dealing with right now? i know, because i have a few i communicate with frequently and its a witch hunt. the collateral damage causing trauma to the innocent is real. so yes, i believe i would compartmentalize the bad worker and fully stand beside the others, even if my own child was victimized.i would hope, as the years go by, i could forgive that worker, maybe even go see them in prison and have God work that mercy into my heart. To me, thats what i Believe Jesus would do. correct, i am in the USA How would you feel about the ministry if a worker known to have abused children in the past has been sent to your home? How would you feel about the fellowship if your meeting friends knew about this worker's history of CSA and protected their own kids from him, but didn't warn you too about him?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 14:50:26 GMT -5
Great question. I understand that I don't know for sure, because its a hypothetical question. I do believe i still would have an open door to the workers. THAT particular worker would not be welcomed of course. That person would be sitting in jail. I don't dare lump together a whole group of people for a fews actions! thats not justice, thats not right. if your father was a child molester…i am very very sure you would not want to be thought of one too, and you would want to be judged on your own actions by people. same as me, and same of the other workers right now. can you imagine what the ones, who would never think of hurting a child, are dealing with right now? i know, because i have a few i communicate with frequently and its a witch hunt. the collateral damage causing trauma to the innocent is real. so yes, i believe i would compartmentalize the bad worker and fully stand beside the others, even if my own child was victimized.i would hope, as the years go by, i could forgive that worker, maybe even go see them in prison and have God work that mercy into my heart. To me, thats what i Believe Jesus would do. correct, i am in the USA How would you feel about the ministry if a worker known to have abused children in the past has been sent to your home? How would you feel about the fellowship if your meeting friends knew about this worker's history of CSA and protected their own kids from him, but didn't warn you too about him? This is partly the nature of the beast. People who are afraid to say something…
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Post by mdm on May 20, 2023 14:58:07 GMT -5
How would you feel about the ministry if a worker known to have abused children in the past has been sent to your home? How would you feel about the fellowship if your meeting friends knew about this worker's history of CSA and protected their own kids from him, but didn't warn you too about him? This is partly the nature of the beast. People who are afraid to say something… They do say it, just not to everyone. Those who know (especially those related to workers) warn their trusted friends and family. I am still struggling to understand how they view the rest of us.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 15:02:13 GMT -5
This is partly the nature of the beast. People who are afraid to say something… They do say it, just not to everyone. Those who know (especially those related to workers) warn their trusted friends and family. I am still struggling to understand how they view the rest of us. I don’t know…. It’s almost as if they want to shield the reality from certain people… but there are some things that need to be said and known… especially with regards to sex offenders because they can deceive many.
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Post by mdm on May 20, 2023 15:08:37 GMT -5
They do say it, just not to everyone. Those who know (especially those related to workers) warn their trusted friends and family. I am still struggling to understand how they view the rest of us. I don’t know…. It’s almost as if they want to shield the reality from certain people… but there are some things that need to be said and known… especially with regards to sex offenders because they can deceive many. What about our children?? Who is protecting them?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 15:29:28 GMT -5
I don’t know…. It’s almost as if they want to shield the reality from certain people… but there are some things that need to be said and known… especially with regards to sex offenders because they can deceive many. What about our children?? Who is protecting them? Well, EXACTLY. The kids come first! That's how I feel. As a mother and grandmother now....C'mon Mamma Bears...time to rise up. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. I have a feeling it's going to be the young families that are going to see this through. My mother in law is still very protective of her kids and some of them are grandparents now. She still has that mamma bear instinct. It's a sight to behold.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 20, 2023 15:42:39 GMT -5
It was so easy to remove your friendly, kind and gracious professing persona. I asked reasonable questions. Why did you use the loaded for some of us term, trouble maker. I was so beaten down in the work, almost destroyed. You remind me of the faces that quickly turned from love to suspicion and scorn. The people who had one face and then would turn on you with a very different face if they felt you crossed some line you didn’t even know was there. The love is conditional. You challenge someone with reasonable questions and suddenly you are the enemy. When you are from the outside it’s easy to be tossed aside. You really never are a part. You don’t know who you are talking to here. You do not know how damaged. You don’t know and you need to tread more carefully. You know what the friends who think all is well and there are just a few bad apples and once all that is dealt with all will return to normal as I hear some of you say, just be less sure of that. And what is normal? Do more listening. There is much, much more to play out. Yep, the slimy suck up persona, and the username made me nauseous from the get go. It didn't take long for the true colours to show through the shine.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 18:04:02 GMT -5
Great question. I understand that I don't know for sure, because its a hypothetical question. I do believe i still would have an open door to the workers. THAT particular worker would not be welcomed of course. That person would be sitting in jail. I don't dare lump together a whole group of people for a fews actions! thats not justice, thats not right. if your father was a child molester…i am very very sure you would not want to be thought of one too, and you would want to be judged on your own actions by people. same as me, and same of the other workers right now. can you imagine what the ones, who would never think of hurting a child, are dealing with right now? i know, because i have a few i communicate with frequently and its a witch hunt. the collateral damage causing trauma to the innocent is real. so yes, i believe i would compartmentalize the bad worker and fully stand beside the others, even if my own child was victimized.i would hope, as the years go by, i could forgive that worker, maybe even go see them in prison and have God work that mercy into my heart. To me, thats what i Believe Jesus would do. correct, i am in the USA How would you feel about the ministry if a worker known to have abused children in the past has been sent to your home? How would you feel about the fellowship if your meeting friends knew about this worker's history of CSA and protected their own kids from him, but didn't warn you too about him? Im not exactly sure how I would feel and react, it depends in the situation. Im sure I would feel the same way you would if you found out your uncle was a child molester years before and your family just told you, and they allowed him to come stay at your house. As far as how I felt about the fellowship, I don’t see how my thoughts on that would change at all. Just as it’s not changed now that things are getting uncovered.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 18:15:20 GMT -5
It was so easy to remove your friendly, kind and gracious professing persona. I asked reasonable questions. Why did you use the loaded for some of us term, trouble maker. I was so beaten down in the work, almost destroyed. You remind me of the faces that quickly turned from love to suspicion and scorn. The people who had one face and then would turn on you with a very different face if they felt you crossed some line you didn’t even know was there. The love is conditional. You challenge someone with reasonable questions and suddenly you are the enemy. When you are from the outside it’s easy to be tossed aside. You really never are a part. You don’t know who you are talking to here. You do not know how damaged. You don’t know and you need to tread more carefully. You know what the friends who think all is well and there are just a few bad apples and once all that is dealt with all will return to normal as I hear some of you say, just be less sure of that. And what is normal? Do more listening. There is much, much more to play out. Yep, the slimy suck up persona, and the username made me nauseous from the get go. It didn't take long for the true colours to show through the shine. you are precisely reason my name is “always be kind”. I knew what was on here and the mean trash people like you say. Calling me a slimy suck up, without knowing anything about me and going on a whole lot of assumptions. I knew your type was on here and I would be a target, as a minority poster. So… I picked something that every time I logged on would remind me of how to treat people like you who I would really like to rip a new one. My username is a reminder for ME to always be kind, a self-righteous name that I’m calling myself. It’s so that I don’t stoop to your level and start calling you names (I have a few on my mind). And hey, if some of you get reminder to be a little bit more kind, even better! I am so not perfect, so that’s why I picked a little reminder for myself as a username to be a little bit more like Jesus in my answers. I’m a little curious what you think “my true colors are”, but I’m also really really really not interested or respect anything you have to say, at the same time.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 20, 2023 18:33:55 GMT -5
Yep, the slimy suck up persona, and the username made me nauseous from the get go. It didn't take long for the true colours to show through the shine. you are precisely reason my name is “always be kind”. I knew what was on here and the mean trash people like you say. Calling me a slimy suck up, without knowing anything about me and going on a whole lot of assumptions. I knew your type was on here and I would be a target, as a minority poster. So… I picked something that every time I logged on would remind me of how to treat people like you who I would really like to rip a new one. My username is a reminder for ME to always be kind, a self-righteous name that I’m calling myself. It’s so that I don’t stoop to your level and start calling you names (I have a few on my mind). And hey, if some of you get reminder to be a little bit more kind, even better! I am so not perfect, so that’s why I picked a little reminder for myself as a username to be a little bit more like Jesus in my answers. I’m a little curious what you think “my true colors are”, but I’m also really really really not interested or respect anything you have to say, at the same time. Lol, "my type" and you go on to say that I have made assumptions about you. Do go on, I'd like to know more about me.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 18:43:28 GMT -5
So sorry to hear about you losing your mother recently, I bet Mother’s Day was hard for you. As I age, I appreciate more that there’s nothing that compares to a mothers love in this world. Ah, yes, the ole Origins of truth topic. I’m a little confused on what you wanted me to talk about or answer? I thought my point was pretty clear. Friends are never willing to face the truth. Or when they hear it for the first time their minds close because it couldn’t possibly be true. Christianity in general has been misled by pickers and choosers among many opposing ideas of mythology as if it had any importance in our modern lives. Any then I might be asked what religion should be replaced with? Will you have me there? Perhaps some humanist might answer that question. But I can't help but think if we just went fishing on a Sunday morning or played soccer on a Sunday afternoon the world would be a better place. I grew up in a world of hero workers who (such as) while in a Japanese prisoner camp traded their watch for a handful of rice to keep a fellow worker alive. Or the one who left his brother worker to visit someone and on return the brother had taken the tent and began preaching a different gospel. Some were married, they preached different creeds then they do today. (Never changing always, the same) if you don ‘t get my point by now I’m not capable of expressing it you made it clear, thanks. I havnt done my own research on William Irvine and the start of truth and I never will waste my time researching it. Not because I’m afraid id be shaken in what I’d find, but because It literally has zero impact on anything regarding me in 2023(more on this below). In fact, was it traced back to Him? Sure, I won’t argue, in fact I’ll believe you. But that has zero impact on anything… my faith isn’t in the fact that the meetings were or weren’t happening for the past 2000 years. Who really cares? All I care about is that there’s one tomorrow at 10 AM that I’m looking forward to. My honest opinion is anyone who is seriously shaken up by this has no idea what this whole thing is about, and has missed the point completely. And if its wasn’t this that shook their faith, it would’ve been something else, because their faith is, apparently, in the wrong thing. And I, personally, know one person that that left the fellowship standing behind that. But I honestly don’t think that’s the true reason they are no longer in the fellowship. Yesterday, I elaborated on this more earlier in this thread. I will paste it here. From Page 1 of this thread, someone asked me the same question: “ Do you believe the fellowship trickles down directly from the apostle day's, not spiritually but literally? i assume you're asking me about the "origins of truth" traced back to william irvine vs this has trickled down from generation to generation from Jesus to now? bare with me on my answer…i'll put it this way…a lot of people on the outside (and inside) the fellowship, and a lot of exes that i have talked to personally look at this whole this from the wrong end of the telescope. completely wrong! they see the truth as a religion, as a set of rules, as skirts and long hair and workers and hierarchy and overseers and money and meetings and structure. and I am apart of the truth, so therefore i have to dress a certain way and obey the workers and and go to meetings. and you go to meetings, so you need something to say, so thats why you read and study to take part. looking at it from the outside to the inside. COMPLETELY opposite of how it should be and is for a lot of us in meeting. missing the whole point of it. it begins in the heart. it begins with my relationship with God. It begins with a work and something that God is putting inside me that i cant find anywhere or in anything in this world. something special that he has put in there, that you cannot use words to explain. and you pray and read and He gives and feeds and helps, and you fall and theres mercy. and you love God, and crave to be with others that has His same spirit in them. and thats true fellowship. and thats why you go to meetings, because God is there and it feeds something already there that you've been feeding outside of meetings. and you study the bible and the Holy Spirit teaches the same thing, its a universal language, and it teaches to be like Jesus, try to forgive that person, stay clean of this and that, live for others, be modest in our dress, learn to repent, etc. how else can you (and i have) go clear around the world and walk into a strangers home on sunday morning meeting and have sweet fellowship, feel God's presence there and feel like youve known them your whole life? how can a worker with no schooling or rules come from a different country, different culture and feed 1,000 souls at convention every single time? its the same teacher…God's spirit teaching the same thing. so, when my faith is in THAT, and not just being superficially affiliated with a group, who really cares if it was started in 1903 or in 303 a.d.? how does that lessen what God has does in my life? how does that effect Jesus' blood that can cleanse me? does that change my salvation? how does that effect God working in my life, and how i feel sitting in a meeting? it was a zero factor for me when i found out. i assumed it trickled down through the years, and i was wrong…so what? ill be wrong again. its like the workers…i would have never thought this bomb was coming and all of these people, some i know….but my faith isnt in them. and if our faith is in the truth or in the workers or friends or meetings…it will get shaken, and hurt and disappointment will come. guaranteed. because humans are really really disappointing. Glad especially lately that God cannot and has not disappointed…and He cannot sin. oofta…i poured my little heart out on that one. lol“
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 18:49:57 GMT -5
you are precisely reason my name is “always be kind”. I knew what was on here and the mean trash people like you say. Calling me a slimy suck up, without knowing anything about me and going on a whole lot of assumptions. I knew your type was on here and I would be a target, as a minority poster. So… I picked something that every time I logged on would remind me of how to treat people like you who I would really like to rip a new one. My username is a reminder for ME to always be kind, a self-righteous name that I’m calling myself. It’s so that I don’t stoop to your level and start calling you names (I have a few on my mind). And hey, if some of you get reminder to be a little bit more kind, even better! I am so not perfect, so that’s why I picked a little reminder for myself as a username to be a little bit more like Jesus in my answers. I’m a little curious what you think “my true colors are”, but I’m also really really really not interested or respect anything you have to say, at the same time. Lol, "my type" and you go on to say that I have made assumptions about you. Do go on, I'd like to know more about me. I mean your type on this forum that choose to call names and come across as mean, rather than engaging in adult, pleasant debates that doesn’t include name calling. And That’s not assumption when you literally just did that…..? Thankfully you’re the first from “your type” that has commented in this thread, hopefully (but highly doubtful) you’re the last. I’ll read your response, but know that I won’t be engaging in this conversation anymore.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 20, 2023 19:02:07 GMT -5
Lol, "my type" and you go on to say that I have made assumptions about you. Do go on, I'd like to know more about me. I mean your type on this forum that choose to call names and come across as mean, rather than engaging in adult, pleasant debates that doesn’t include name calling. And That’s not assumption when you literally just did that…..? Thankfully you’re the first from “your type” that has commented in this thread, hopefully (but highly doubtful) you’re the last. I’ll read your response, but know that I won’t be engaging in this conversation anymore. How do I know you're not a pedophile like a fair percentage of "your type" that hide behind the cross? If you want to play the "your type" game then pull up a chair & lets go to it. Won't engage further, as someone is calling me out for my bigotry?
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Post by SharonArnold on May 20, 2023 20:29:13 GMT -5
Yes it’s ok to be angry. Jesus got angry. You don’t think workers get angry. That’s another way of trying to suppress people from speaking up about things. You just have a wrong spirit, you are angry, you are bitter. They use these tactics to control because they work so well. The friends are taught to be meek, to be quiet to not question. Anger is appropriate when the circumstances are so wrong anything less would be out of touch. How can you hear of abuse of children and not be angry. If anything the friends need to wake up and get angry. To be quiet, complacent is wrong. I have a great deal of respect for anger. When people trespass on your very being, anger is a gift, to give you the energy you need to deal with the situation. Anyone who tries to shame you over it is trying to control you. Period. When I was in my exiting process, I frequently felt anger. Something as simple as happily shopping in a mall, spying the local workers there, and being reminded of the crap I was dealing with, would make me instantly, hugely angry. The part that really surprised me, was that once I had exited and ties with the system were decisively severed, the anger was instantly and completely gone. In retrospect, I now understand that the anger was a gathering process for me and it gave me the energy I needed to be able to deal with an untenable situation. When I feel anger now, I know that there is something that I need to deal with. Usually, when I use the energy to deal with the situation in a thoughtful, considered manner (it may be a largely internal process), the anger does not linger.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:37:16 GMT -5
I have a great deal of respect for anger. When people trespass on your very being, anger is a gift, to give you the energy you need to deal with the situation. Anyone who tries to shame you over it is trying to control you. Period. When I was in my exiting process, I frequently felt anger. Something as simple as happily shopping in a mall, spying the local workers there, and being reminded of the crap I was dealing with, would make me instantly, hugely angry. The part that really surprised me, was that once I had exited and ties with the system were decisively severed, the anger was instantly and completely gone. In retrospect, I now understand that the anger was a gathering process for me and it gave me the energy I needed to be able to deal with an untenable situation. When I feel anger now, I know that there is something that I need to deal with. Usually, when I use the energy to deal with the situation in a thoughtful, considered manner (it may be a largely internal process), the anger does not linger. Perfectly stated, Sharon, Thank you.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 20, 2023 20:48:04 GMT -5
Here's a question or two for you alwaysbekind. It says in Genesis that the earth was without form and void. And that was the first day. On the fourth day the sun and the moon and the stars were made. What did the earth orbit and what held it in its orbit prior to the sun being there?
It takes 365 days for the earth to orbit the sun which is where we get our year from. The earth spins on its axis and one complete spin gives us our day. 365 of those spins and we have a year. How can there be days one, two and three prior to the sun being there?
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 21:12:08 GMT -5
Here's a question or two for you alwaysbekind. It says in Genesis that the earth was without form and void. And that was the first day. On the fourth day the sun and the moon and the stars were made. What did the earth orbit and what held it in its orbit prior to the sun being there? It takes 365 days for the earth to orbit the sun which is where we get our year from. The earth spins on its axis and one complete spin gives us our day. 365 of those spins and we have a year. How can there be days one, two and three prior to the sun being there? Fun question that I do not have the answer to! I like thought experiments like this. I have a science background, so my brain hurts trying to balance science vs my faith (like oil and water). The only thing I’ve come to peace with is that my little human brain cannot even begins to understand a sliver of God, the almighty. God, who created time, the universe, matter, etc. I know you said you don’t believe in God a couple days ago (please correct me if I’m wrong on any assumptions), so creation/faith/God is something that you’ll reject. But if you look at it From a believers outlook, we know the Bible talks about in 2 Peter 3:8 KJV “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” Logically I can connect the dots of one of Gods days is like 1000 of hours. ultimately, though I have no idea as this is all above my head. But my brain always ends up hurting when I think about this. I just have to leave it. What do you think? Other than thinking us Christians are a bunch of quacks Lol
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 20, 2023 21:40:41 GMT -5
Here's a question or two for you alwaysbekind. It says in Genesis that the earth was without form and void. And that was the first day. On the fourth day the sun and the moon and the stars were made. What did the earth orbit and what held it in its orbit prior to the sun being there? It takes 365 days for the earth to orbit the sun which is where we get our year from. The earth spins on its axis and one complete spin gives us our day. 365 of those spins and we have a year. How can there be days one, two and three prior to the sun being there? Fun question that I do not have the answer to! I like thought experiments like this. I have a science background, so my brain hurts trying to balance science vs my faith (like oil and water). The only thing I’ve come to peace with is that my little human brain cannot even begins to understand a sliver of God, the almighty. God, who created time, the universe, matter, etc. I know you said you don’t believe in God a couple days ago (please correct me if I’m wrong on any assumptions), so creation/faith/God is something that you’ll reject. But if you look at it From a believers outlook, we know the Bible talks about in 2 Peter 3:8 KJV “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” Logically I can connect the dots of one of Gods days is like 1000 of hours. ultimately, though I have no idea as this is all above my head. But my brain always ends up hurting when I think about this. I just have to leave it. What do you think? Other than thinking us Christians are a bunch of quacks Lol The reply was about what I expected but did not answer the questions
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 21:42:07 GMT -5
Fun question that I do not have the answer to! I like thought experiments like this. I have a science background, so my brain hurts trying to balance science vs my faith (like oil and water). The only thing I’ve come to peace with is that my little human brain cannot even begins to understand a sliver of God, the almighty. God, who created time, the universe, matter, etc. I know you said you don’t believe in God a couple days ago (please correct me if I’m wrong on any assumptions), so creation/faith/God is something that you’ll reject. But if you look at it From a believers outlook, we know the Bible talks about in 2 Peter 3:8 KJV “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” Logically I can connect the dots of one of Gods days is like 1000 of hours. ultimately, though I have no idea as this is all above my head. But my brain always ends up hurting when I think about this. I just have to leave it. What do you think? Other than thinking us Christians are a bunch of quacks Lol The reply was about what I expected but did not answer the question. I do not know the answer to the question. Sorry.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 20, 2023 22:02:11 GMT -5
How would you feel about the ministry if a worker known to have abused children in the past has been sent to your home? How would you feel about the fellowship if your meeting friends knew about this worker's history of CSA and protected their own kids from him, but didn't warn you too about him? Im not exactly sure how I would feel and react, it depends in the situation. Im sure I would feel the same way you would if you found out your uncle was a child molester years before and your family just told you, and they allowed him to come stay at your house. As far as how I felt about the fellowship, I don’t see how my thoughts on that would change at all. Just as it’s not changed now that things are getting uncovered. I believe this is part of the problem alwaysbekind, you have never been in the situation where your child has been abused by a Worker so you don't really know how you would react. People on here have been. Trauma makes people react in different ways. Just for some clarity, can I ask if you were born and raised in the "Truth" and how many generations of your family are/were part of the church ?
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 20, 2023 22:15:34 GMT -5
Im not exactly sure how I would feel and react, it depends in the situation. Im sure I would feel the same way you would if you found out your uncle was a child molester years before and your family just told you, and they allowed him to come stay at your house. As far as how I felt about the fellowship, I don’t see how my thoughts on that would change at all. Just as it’s not changed now that things are getting uncovered. I believe this is part of the problem alwaysbekind, you have never been in the situation where your child has been abused by a Worker so you don't really know how you would react. People on here have been. Trauma makes people react in different ways. Just for some clarity, can I ask if you were born and raised in the "Truth" and how many generations of your family are/were part of the church ? I agree trauma can change people, as I have experienced trauma in life (not SA/CSA) and have seen how it’s changed me. Yes I was. third generation.
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