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Post by luke2236 on Apr 14, 2023 10:09:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know the current regional, national, global(?) overseer structure? I know that some of the old ones have gotten old and others have passed. It’s pretty interesting how few regional leaders there have been since Irvine and Cooney days.
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Post by christiansburg on Apr 14, 2023 20:16:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know the current regional, national, global(?) overseer structure? I know that some of the old ones have gotten old and others have passed. It’s pretty interesting how few regional leaders there have been since Irvine and Cooney days. We do but there is nothing beneficial in knowing those details. It comes down to state and local worker assignments and what they can offer to us spiritually. While there tends to be some differences of opinions on some doctrinal points the most important thing is that we have a personal relationship with our Savior. Long ago it was decided that it was too much for only a few to take full responsibility.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 0:24:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know the current regional, national, global(?) overseer structure? I know that some of the old ones have gotten old and others have passed. It’s pretty interesting how few regional leaders there have been since Irvine and Cooney days. We do but there is nothing beneficial in knowing those details. It comes down to state and local worker assignments and what they can offer to us spiritually. While there tends to be some differences of opinions on some doctrinal points the most important thing is that we have a personal relationship with our Savior. Long ago it was decided that it was too much for only a few to take full responsibility. Why would it not be beneficial for a sexually abused person to know who the abusive state overseer’s overseer is?
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 15, 2023 7:19:27 GMT -5
We do but there is nothing beneficial in knowing those details. It comes down to state and local worker assignments and what they can offer to us spiritually. While there tends to be some differences of opinions on some doctrinal points the most important thing is that we have a personal relationship with our Savior. Long ago it was decided that it was too much for only a few to take full responsibility. Why would it not be beneficial for a sexually abused person to know who the abusive state overseer’s overseer is? Is there an overseer's overseer? Some sort of 2x2 pope?
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Post by christiansburg on Apr 15, 2023 7:25:23 GMT -5
Why would it not be beneficial for a sexually abused person to know who the abusive state overseer’s overseer is? Is there an overseer's overseer? Some sort of 2x2 pope? Yes.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 10:25:02 GMT -5
Is there an overseer's overseer? Some sort of 2x2 pope? Yes. Great! Where can this information be found since everyone here is afraid to post names.
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 15, 2023 10:49:39 GMT -5
Great! Where can this information be found since everyone here is afraid to post names. Yes please... The overseers seem well known.... Who is the man on top?
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 15, 2023 11:35:44 GMT -5
On the topic of Hierarchy....perhaps the lack of it in the case of the 2x2 could be a benifit if change needs to be made? Longstanding hierarchies are notoriously difficult to reform. A more loosely structured group could theoretically bring about modifications to the status quo more easily than a rigid group with written rules. I understand that the 2x2 has a lot of "unwritten" rules but those will always be easier to change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 21:39:33 GMT -5
Why would it not be beneficial for a sexually abused person to know who the abusive state overseer’s overseer is? Is there an overseer's overseer? Some sort of 2x2 pope? Yes, the US has 2 overseers of overseers, each country elsewhere should have 1 or larger countries may have more than 1. Or there maybe 1 overseer of several smaller countries.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 16, 2023 15:29:36 GMT -5
Is there an overseer's overseer? Some sort of 2x2 pope? Yes, the US has 2 overseers of overseers, each country elsewhere should have 1 or larger countries may have more than 1. Or there maybe 1 overseer of several smaller countries. What are the names of the pope level overseers if each of the countries?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 19:44:31 GMT -5
Yes, the US has 2 overseers of overseers, each country elsewhere should have 1 or larger countries may have more than 1. Or there maybe 1 overseer of several smaller countries. What are the names of the pope level overseers if each of the countries? No global list is apparent maybe Cheri's site or some obscure I hate the Truth site?
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 16, 2023 20:04:40 GMT -5
What are the names of the pope level overseers if each of the countries? No global list is apparent maybe Cheri's site or some obscure I hate the Truth site? Why are hierarchy lists only available on hate sites? Is this one of the many secrets that don’t get recorded?
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 16, 2023 20:46:16 GMT -5
In the early days I believe it was shared in the US with Jack Carroll on one side and George Walker on the other. I am not sure what the line of succession has been since they passed. No-one seems to really know who is over their overseer.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 16, 2023 22:07:31 GMT -5
In the early days I believe it was shared in the US with Jack Carroll on one side and George Walker on the other. I am not sure what the line of succession has been since they passed. No-one seems to really know who is over their overseer. That’s convenient, the fewer people who report the better. Plausible deniability- the head man never knew there was a problem so how could he resolve it?!
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 16, 2023 22:18:53 GMT -5
The mushroom effect? Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em .......!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 22:24:50 GMT -5
No global list is apparent maybe Cheri's site or some obscure I hate the Truth site? Why are hierarchy lists only available on hate sites? Is this one of the many secrets that don’t get recorded? I can count on one hand the Pro-2x2 sites. There are dozens of anti-2x2 sites. The pro-ones did not record any details like that.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 16, 2023 22:27:55 GMT -5
Why are hierarchy lists only available on hate sites? Is this one of the many secrets that don’t get recorded? I can count on one hand the Pro-2x2 sites. There are dozens of anti-2x2 sites. The pro-ones did not record any details like that. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 23:04:41 GMT -5
I can count on one hand the Pro-2x2 sites. There are dozens of anti-2x2 sites. The pro-ones did not record any details like that. Why? They tend to keep it simple, mine was when it was up. About 5 pages total.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 11:41:16 GMT -5
What are the names of the pope level overseers if each of the countries? No global list is apparent maybe Cheri's site or some obscure I hate the Truth site? What a hilarious oxymoron.
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Post by fixit on Apr 17, 2023 13:40:13 GMT -5
Why are hierarchy lists only available on hate sites? Is this one of the many secrets that don’t get recorded? I can count on one hand the Pro-2x2 sites. There are dozens of anti-2x2 sites. The pro-ones did not record any details like that. Have you ever wondered why there are dozens of anti-2x2 sites? What if W&F had all actually loved one another, loved their neighbours, and loved their enemies as well? Wise as serpents, and harmless as doves? Judge not, that you be not judged?
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2023 15:39:47 GMT -5
They tend to keep it simple, mine was when it was up. About 5 pages total. Just curious. When you had your site up, could you have posted that information? What I mean is, did you have access to that information if you wanted to post it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 21:01:19 GMT -5
They tend to keep it simple, mine was when it was up. About 5 pages total. Just curious. When you had your site up, could you have posted that information? What I mean is, did you have access to that information if you wanted to post it? Yes, I would have, but no I would have been able to list only 5 maybe 6 people...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 21:02:50 GMT -5
I can count on one hand the Pro-2x2 sites. There are dozens of anti-2x2 sites. The pro-ones did not record any details like that. Have you ever wondered why there are dozens of anti-2x2 sites? What if W&F had all actually loved one another, loved their neighbours, and loved their enemies as well? Wise as serpents, and harmless as doves? Judge not, that you be not judged? Right, it's always helpful and good to only hear one side of the story...
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2023 2:19:22 GMT -5
Have you ever wondered why there are dozens of anti-2x2 sites? What if W&F had all actually loved one another, loved their neighbours, and loved their enemies as well? Wise as serpents, and harmless as doves? Judge not, that you be not judged? Right, it's always helpful and good to only hear one side of the story... Which side would you prefer to hear?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 6:21:47 GMT -5
Right, it's always helpful and good to only hear one side of the story... Which side would you prefer to hear? In a just, rational, logical world both sides. Anything less would be the epitome of ignorance and injustice. Deu 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Deu 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it. Duet. 17 Deu_19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. Pro 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD'S: all the weights of the bag are his work. 2 Samuel 16 and 2 Samuel 19 The first story then the second story. You appear to favor Ziba instead of Mephibosheth. Joh 7:51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? Exo_18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. Just weights are called for all through the scriptures. Even Solomons examples seem to have escaped your grasp. I do realize that might not fit in your scientific worldview and narrative of guilty until proven innocent. Your previous cries of slander on here seem a bit hypocritical at the moment. God help anyone in your Bishoprick elder...
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2023 15:33:19 GMT -5
Just curious. When you had your site up, could you have posted that information? What I mean is, did you have access to that information if you wanted to post it? Yes, I would have, but no I would have been able to list only 5 maybe 6 people... I imagine very few of the friends have a complete worker list? Do you know if there is a 'world overseer'? I know that the east and west states have two separate overseers. Not sure about Canada.
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Post by mdm on Apr 18, 2023 16:18:05 GMT -5
In the early days I believe it was shared in the US with Jack Carroll on one side and George Walker on the other. I am not sure what the line of succession has been since they passed. No-one seems to really know who is over their overseer. George Walker was succeeded by Taylor Wood and then by Barry Barkley. Jack Carrol was succeeded by Dale Shultz.
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2023 17:03:32 GMT -5
In the early days I believe it was shared in the US with Jack Carroll on one side and George Walker on the other. I am not sure what the line of succession has been since they passed. No-one seems to really know who is over their overseer. George Walker was succeeded by Taylor Wood and then by Barry Barkley. Jack Carrol was succeeded by Dale Shultz. Is there an overseer over all the overseers worldwide?
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