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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 21:08:24 GMT -5
I think Nathan needs to read Cherie's book, Preserving the Truth: The Church without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine. Then he might understand the truth about when 2x2ism was invented. I can’t remember if Nathan has said whether or not he would read it. I know Wally won’t but maybe Nathan will. That would be good.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:17:29 GMT -5
** How can it be broken? When there are God's true servants or apostles and true followers of Jesus have existed in every genetation? Read Rev. 7:9 John saw a great multitude of believers which no man can count. The 2x2s workers is only 125 years and the numbers are less than 100,000 by now. The great multitude are they who have been calling out through the gospel of Jesus Christ since the 1st century to the time of Jesus returns. You put it together Nathan. Your math and mine are incompatible. It doesn’t add up any way you look at it. I don’t even have words for the type of logic you use. Baffle with bs comes to mind but it seems you actually really believe it. I know you have lots invested - 45 years. Hard to back down now hey? ** Jesus asked Peter and the 11 apostles will you all go away and Forshaken me? Like many of disciples had done in John 6 because they did NOT understand when he told them to have eternal life they must eat his flesh and drink his blood. Instead of going to Jesus and ask him what did he mean by that? he would be glad to explained what he meant. Many left him and no longer consider as his disciples. Peter spoke up and said to Jesus, "To whom shall we go, Lord thou has the words of eternal life." Thare is no where to go! Jesus 2x2 New Testament church is the ONLY true Church of God on earth! All religions lead to a DEAD END road to Hades. [
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Post by Grant on Sept 29, 2022 21:21:56 GMT -5
So Irvine was just preacher in an otherwise unbroken line back to the shores of Galilee. Now you know that that is not the truth right? ** It goes back to the Faith Mission, and those before them, the Waldenses, the Vaudois, the apostle Paul, Peter, John and to Christ Jesus the founder of the New Testament covenant. Whathat an ex-2×2 gave us the list of 2x2 apostles/workers through the centuries back to Jesus Christ. The Faith Mission was mainline Protestant training centre. Nothing to do with Waldensians. John Govan was a Protestant. Like you, WhatHat tried to rewrite history but as with your wishful thinking history shows he was wrong. Seems your faith is fragile if you can't accept the truth, Nathan. You seem to have so much invested in your lies.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:23:11 GMT -5
I think Nathan needs to read Cherie's book, Preserving the Truth: The Church without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine. Then he might understand the truth about when 2x2ism was invented. I can’t remember if Nathan has said whether or not he would read it. I know Wally won’t but maybe Nathan will. That would be good. Cherie new book has many similar theme and information of her TTT Website, nothing I haven't read. So, thanks but no thanks. I had spent 15 years in studying her TTT Website and the other site she has that is plenty years for me. Cherie is promoting the same old same thing. No new revelation!
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:26:06 GMT -5
** It goes back to the Faith Mission, and those before them, the Waldenses, the Vaudois, the apostle Paul, Peter, John and to Christ Jesus the founder of the New Testament covenant. Whathat an ex-2×2 gave us the list of 2x2 apostles/workers through the centuries back to Jesus Christ. The Faith Mission was mainline Protestant training centre. Nothing to do with Waldensians. John Govan was a Protestant. Like you, WhatHat tried to rewrite history but as with your wishful thinking history shows he was wrong. Seems your faith is fragile if you can't accept the truth, Nathan. You seem to have so much invested in your lies. No, maybe it's you/ex-2×2 and those like you can't accept the truth that Jesus 2x2 apostles/workers have always been active before William Irvine and the workers tried to continue it in 1900s to now.
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 21:27:09 GMT -5
You put it together Nathan. Your math and mine are incompatible. It doesn’t add up any way you look at it. I don’t even have words for the type of logic you use. Baffle with bs comes to mind but it seems you actually really believe it. I know you have lots invested - 45 years. Hard to back down now hey? ** Jesus asked Peter and the 11 apostles will you all go away and Forshaken me? Like many of disciples had done in John 6 because they did NOT understand when they told to have eternal life they must his flesh and drink his blood. Instead of going to Jesus and him what did he mean by that, he would be glad to explained what he meant so, many left him and no longer consider as his disciples. Peter spoke up and said to Jesus, "To whom shall we go, Lord thou has the words of eternal life." Thare is no where to go! Jesus 2x2 New Testament church is the ONLY true Church of God on earth! All religions lead to a DEAD END road to Hades. You’re reminding me of that old hymn: … Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you If heaven's not my home Then Lord, what will I do? I know it’s almost impossible to contemplate that you could be wrong after all you’ve invested Nathan. But this story you are spinning is a contrivance.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:39:43 GMT -5
** Jesus asked Peter and the 11 apostles will you all go away and Forshaken me? Like many of disciples had done in John 6 because they did NOT understand when they told to have eternal life they must his flesh and drink his blood. Instead of going to Jesus and him what did he mean by that, he would be glad to explained what he meant so, many left him and no longer consider as his disciples. Peter spoke up and said to Jesus, "To whom shall we go, Lord thou has the words of eternal life." Thare is no where to go! Jesus 2x2 New Testament church is the ONLY true Church of God on earth! All religions lead to a DEAD END road to Hades. You’re reminding me of that old hymn: … Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you If heaven's not my home Then Lord, what will I do? I know it’s almost impossible to contemplate that you could be wrong after all you’ve invested Nathan. But this story you are spinning is a contrivance. ** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:44:51 GMT -5
** Jesus asked Peter and the 11 apostles will you all go away and Forshaken me? Like many of disciples had done in John 6 because they did NOT understand when they told to have eternal life they must his flesh and drink his blood. Instead of going to Jesus and him what did he mean by that, he would be glad to explained what he meant so, many left him and no longer consider as his disciples. Peter spoke up and said to Jesus, "To whom shall we go, Lord thou has the words of eternal life." Thare is no where to go! Jesus 2x2 New Testament church is the ONLY true Church of God on earth! All religions lead to a DEAD END road to Hades. You’re reminding me of that old hymn: … Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you If heaven's not my home Then Lord, what will I do? I know it’s almost impossible to contemplate that you could be wrong after all you’ve invested Nathan. But this story you are spinning is a contrivance. ** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers. I was mistreated badly by two overseers but they built up Christ's characters in me to be more Christ like So, it was all good in the end.
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 21:45:56 GMT -5
You’re reminding me of that old hymn: … Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you If heaven's not my home Then Lord, what will I do? I know it’s almost impossible to contemplate that you could be wrong after all you’ve invested Nathan. But this story you are spinning is a contrivance. ** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers. Ok fine if that is your choice but please stop making up stories of unbroken lines back to the shores of Galilee. There are no facts to back you up.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 21:58:04 GMT -5
** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers. Ok fine if that is your choice but please stop making up stories of unbroken lines back to the shores of Galilee. There are no facts to back you up. ** Get this out of your head it wasn't made up! I have Jesus words and teachings to back it up! The unbroken of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry are found with the Vaudois and those like them for 1800 years. If you don't believe then that is your choice.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 29, 2022 22:01:28 GMT -5
** Nothing bias about it; it's the Truth. ** It’s your truth. Nothing more. Yes it's nathan "truth". You say you are a 2x2 nathan, but every time you post you prove you are not ! The Workers don't believe they go back to the Waldensians nathan.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 29, 2022 22:18:10 GMT -5
Ok fine if that is your choice but please stop making up stories of unbroken lines back to the shores of Galilee. There are no facts to back you up. ** Get this out of your head it wasn't made up! I have Jesus words and teachings to back it up! The unbroken of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry are found with the Vaudois and those like them for 1800 years. If you don't believe then that is your choice. The Workers don't even believe you nathan !
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 22:23:18 GMT -5
Ok fine if that is your choice but please stop making up stories of unbroken lines back to the shores of Galilee. There are no facts to back you up. ** Get this out of your head it wasn't made up! I have Jesus words and teachings to back it up! The unbroken of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry are found with the Vaudois and those like them for 1800 years. If you don't believe then that is your choice. Nathan I hope you will consider joining us Canadians in a day of Truth and Reconciliation tomorrow. It is a good thing to contemplate, or act on if need be.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 29, 2022 23:34:08 GMT -5
Leo imparted to me the solid foundation of Christ Jesus is the Lord God teaching. He said once a person has an understanding and knowledge of who Christ is then the Bible will open up to them like a beautiful butter fly. Did he ever explain how some of them turn into nasty hornets?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 29, 2022 23:42:32 GMT -5
Leo was a "rote" instructor, but he considered himself uniquely inspired. I had to look up what rote meant. In what way was he uniquely inspired?. Like Nathan explained, he was wiser on spiritual matters than any other worker, and he used to hold extra-schedule meetings at convention to expound on his great revelations. I never attended any of them -- I figured the scheduled meetings and speakers list was enough. He also liked to hold story-telling sessions and have the friends invite people to them. He tell stories about when he was in the war, and a lot of stories about what he'd read about the history of religion. He was rather naive and amateur at that part of his program. BTW, Nathan got all of his teaching by heart, but I'm sure Leo would be quite flabbergasted that Nathan's revelations have far exceeded anything Leo had revealed to him.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 29, 2022 23:53:33 GMT -5
** Leo Stancliff had a good and clear understanding of Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and the church to worship Godhead in the homes of believers. Leo Stancliff had a great knowledge and understanding of the Bible than many workers I have met in my 45 years as a worker and a 2x2 friend. I had been studying the Bible under Leo's teachings for 10 hours a week for many months. Leo imparted to me the solid foundation of Christ Jesus is the Lord God teaching. He said once a person has an understanding and knowledge of who Christ is then the Bible will open up to them like a beautiful butter fly. Its obvious you are an Apostle of the workers and not an Apostle of the gracious compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness influence. Leo in all his sincerity didn't know much about the deeply jewish book at all, and he taught you. You talk about Leo finding the lost sheep, do you even realise the significance of telling the Pharisees about the shepherd looking for lost sheep in this cultural setting, its like saying in todays language to the religious exclusives, "suppose one of you lose a pole dancer"(in case you didn't get it instead of being a shepard your a strip club owner)......... All Nathan knows about Bible times is what Leo gathered from sporadic clips of historic information that he worked them into his file of impressive sermons. It was enough to wow a non-historian, but not greatly instructive. Nathan has it all memorized.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 23:55:05 GMT -5
Leo imparted to me the solid foundation of Christ Jesus is the Lord God teaching. He said once a person has an understanding and knowledge of who Christ is then the Bible will open up to them like a beautiful butter fly. Did he ever explain how some of them turn into nasty hornets? ** Yea, You.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:14:27 GMT -5
I had to look up what rote meant. In what way was he uniquely inspired?. Like Nathan explained, he was wiser on spiritual matters than any other worker, and he used to hold extra-schedule meetings at convention to expound on his great revelations. I never attended any of them -- I figured the scheduled meetings and speakers list was enough. He also liked to hold story-telling sessions and have the friends invite people to them. He tell stories about when he was in the war, and a lot of stories about what he'd read about the history of religion. He was rather naive and amateur at that part of his program. BTW, Nathan got all of his teaching by heart, but I'm sure Leo would be quite flabbergasted that Nathan's revelations have far exceeded anything Leo had revealed to him. ** Uncle Leo was a very interesting worker he could keep his audience captivate for 3 hours and it seemed only half an hour long. He was a gifted preacher, a good teacher, and an evangelist. After the Bible he would take us students out to eat at McDonald. We could ask him any questions in the Bible and he was happy to answer them one by one.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 30, 2022 0:20:30 GMT -5
You’re reminding me of that old hymn: … Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you If heaven's not my home Then Lord, what will I do? I know it’s almost impossible to contemplate that you could be wrong after all you’ve invested Nathan. But this story you are spinning is a contrivance. ** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers. YOU ALWAYS FORGET TO TELL THE REST OF THE STORY ABOUT THE OVERSEER AND YOU. HE CALLED YOU OUT AT A SPECIAL MEETING WHEN HE QUESTIONED YOU ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OUTSIDE WOMAN. YOU WALKED OUT OF THE SPECIAL MEETING AS YOU WERE UNABLE TO BE HONEST WITH HIM ABOUT YOUR LIFE. MAKE THAT DOUBLE LIFE.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2022 0:23:43 GMT -5
Did he ever explain how some of them turn into nasty hornets? ** Yea, You. That's not an explanation.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:23:56 GMT -5
** It has come with a great price, with much prayers, getting close to God seeking His counsel and guidance for 45 years. If it wasn't for many wonderful experiences I would have left the 2x2s in 1984 because misunderstanding of T.S. overseer and me, he who took back my place in the ministry. I knew God had called me in the work so, He opened another door for me to start in the work in Oregon 1986-93. I have too many interesting experiences with God that keep me to stay in the Truth and way of Jesus, which He lead me to in 1978 to meet and associate with the workers. YOU ALWAYS FORGET TO TELL THE REST OF THE STORY ABOUT THE OVERSEER AND YOU. HE CALLED YOU OUT AT A SPECIAL MEETING WHEN HE QUESTIONED YOU ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OUTSIDE WOMAN. YOU WALKED OUT OF THE SPECIAL MEETING AS YOU WERE UNABLE TO BE HONEST WITH HIM ABOUT YOUR LIFE. MAKE THAT DOUBLE LIFE. *** You lied too much! He didn't say anything to me like what you say. You better stop telling these lies about me on here. The administrator or the moderator need to give you a warning and ban you for a month for spreading false rumors and Lies.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:24:57 GMT -5
That's not an explanation. No need to explain I can spot you a mile away.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2022 0:28:06 GMT -5
That's not an explanation. No need to explain I can spot you a mile away. I know. You're the stool pigeon.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:29:28 GMT -5
No need to explain I can spot you a mile away. I know. You're the stool pigeon. ** It takes one to know one, Bob.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 30, 2022 0:32:00 GMT -5
YOU ALWAYS FORGET TO TELL THE REST OF THE STORY ABOUT THE OVERSEER AND YOU. HE CALLED YOU OUT AT A SPECIAL MEETING WHEN HE QUESTIONED YOU ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OUTSIDE WOMAN. YOU WALKED OUT OF THE SPECIAL MEETING AS YOU WERE UNABLE TO BE HONEST WITH HIM ABOUT YOUR LIFE. MAKE THAT DOUBLE LIFE. *** You lied too much! He didn't say anything to me like what you say. You better stop telling these lies about me on here. The administrator or the moderator need to give you a warning for spreading false rumors and Lies. YOU HAVE EVEN TOLD ABOUT IT ON HERE, SO UNLESS YOU ARE LYING ABOUT HOW YOU MET THE WOMAN BEFORE YOU LEFT THE WORK THEN I AM ONLY REPEATING WHAT YOU HAVE SAID HERE AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNT FROM WORKERS WHO HAVE HEARD THE STORY.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:34:47 GMT -5
*** You lied too much! He didn't say anything to me like what you say. You better stop telling these lies about me on here. The administrator or the moderator need to give you a warning for spreading false rumors and Lies. YOU HAVE EVEN TOLD ABOUT IT ON HERE, SO UNLESS YOU ARE LYING ABOUT HOW YOU MET THE WOMAN BEFORE YOU LEFT THE WORK THEN I AM ONLY REPEATING WHAT YOU HAVE SAID HERE AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNT FROM WORKERS WHO HAVE HEARD THE STORY. ** Yes, I met a woman but the Overseer NEVER say anything to me like you wrote. You twisting thing around so STOP your lies. The worker or ex-worker you heard were lying because no such thing ever exchanging between me with the overseer. That never happened! Stop adding things to your story which didn't happen. You are like your father the devil, he was a murder and a liar from beginning... There is no truth in him. You are like Your father the devil, who is a false accuser of the brethren.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2022 0:36:57 GMT -5
I know. You're the stool pigeon. ** It takes one to know one, Bob. Caught you again.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 30, 2022 0:46:25 GMT -5
** It takes one to know one, Bob. Caught you again. ** back at you... just saying
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