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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2023 16:52:11 GMT -5
There is much confusion about the term woke from my understanding. I do not claim to understand it all but I see it as a movement toward the betterment of our world/earth - more equality, less pain, more sensitivity. Mistakes will be made. Efforts will be misguided. But things are changing and I believe it is for the good. Evolution. I think a majority of people are confused. I am told to 'wake up' and in the next sentence I am being told I'm 'woke'. You just can't keep anyone happy these days lol.
Woke is just a movement promoted by a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 17:21:07 GMT -5
I think a majority of people are confused. I am told to 'wake up' and in the next sentence I am being told I'm 'woke'. You just can't keep anyone happy these days lol.
Woke is just a movement promoted be a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2023 17:43:54 GMT -5
So is socialism, communism, progressivism, liberalism and other assorted libtards... Yes, locally the Woke crowd act like a cult. One has to watch what they say. If you say the wrong thing, or contradict their particular form of Woke Orthodoxy, you WILL be punished. What is the punishment? |
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Post by fixit on Jan 28, 2023 18:07:14 GMT -5
Woke is just a movement promoted be a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration. It's a very worthy aspiration as long as it's limited to racial prejudice and discrimination. |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 18:13:14 GMT -5
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration. It's a very worthy aspiration as long as it's limited to racial prejudice and discrimination. I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 19:17:32 GMT -5
Woke is the spirit of Baal permeating the country (world). Its gradually steering people away from the 10 commandments and into sexual perversions, naturalism, etc.. Its been the anti-Christ modus operandi since day one.
There is much confusion about the term woke from my understanding. I do not claim to understand it all but I see it as a movement toward the betterment of our world/earth - more equality, less pain, more sensitivity. Mistakes will be made. Efforts will be misguided. But things are changing and I believe it is for the good. Evolution. Right, the ends always justifies the means...never |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 19:18:30 GMT -5
Woke is just a movement promoted be a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration. That is not all it means now... |
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2023 19:57:10 GMT -5
Woke is just a movement promoted be a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration.
Only when discrimination is being created, exaggerated, and exploited for political or personal gain. Affirmative action required reverse discrimination, Reparations is an effort to enrich one race by stealing from another, Black Lives Matter was just a ploy to profit off of white guilt. When looting and burning down businesses is green lighted, and there's more victims of crime because criminals are released without bail, then I feel the 'worthy aspiration' has gone too far to appease minorities.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2023 20:27:38 GMT -5
It's a very worthy aspiration as long as it's limited to racial prejudice and discrimination. I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? Are you sure you're on a level to understand? |
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Post by fixit on Jan 28, 2023 20:36:36 GMT -5
It's a very worthy aspiration as long as it's limited to racial prejudice and discrimination. I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? For example, if woke meant making a big deal about using the correct pronouns for the growing list of genders then I wouldn't consider it such a very worthy aspiration. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identitiesHere's what New York City has to say about it... Why is it important to respect people's Gender Pronouns?You can't always know what someone’s gender pronoun is by looking at them. Asking and correctly using someone's pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their gender identity. When someone is referred to with the wrong pronoun, it can make them feel disrespected, invalidated, dismissed, alienated, or dysphoric (or, often, all of the above.) While many people use the wrong pronoun by mistake, sometimes people use the wrong pronoun intentionally to hurt or disrespect TGNC people. Repeatedly being misgendered can be a source of great distress. It is important to use the correct pronouns when referring to someone because it honors their gender identity and is a sign of mutual respect between the involved parties. It is also important to use the correct pronouns for the safety of the person involved. Using incorrect pronouns can potentially put the person in an unsafe situation by "outing" them. Outing someone is when you do something to expose someone's identity without their consent. |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 21:10:52 GMT -5
I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? Are you sure you're on a level to understand? I can only guess what you mean as well I guess. I would guess I’m pretty much as able to understand as others on this forum. My major objection is the redefining of words. |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 21:16:23 GMT -5
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration. That is not all it means now... That is why I don’t personally care for the term. As I understand, many African Americans don’t use it. It has been redefined and just used as a weapon by the right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 21:22:37 GMT -5
That is not all it means now... That is why I don’t personally care for the term. As I understand, many African Americans don’t use it. It has been redefined and just used as a weapon by the right. The left uses it to denigrate the right and the right uses it to denigrate the left. When most things are now categorized in terms of race anymore (even slyly) you get what you pay for. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 28, 2023 21:24:38 GMT -5
I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? For example, if woke meant making a big deal about using the correct pronouns for the growing list of genders then I wouldn't consider it such a very worthy aspiration. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identitiesHere's what New York City has to say about it... Why is it important to respect people's Gender Pronouns?You can't always know what someone’s gender pronoun is by looking at them. Asking and correctly using someone's pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their gender identity. When someone is referred to with the wrong pronoun, it can make them feel disrespected, invalidated, dismissed, alienated, or dysphoric (or, often, all of the above.) While many people use the wrong pronoun by mistake, sometimes people use the wrong pronoun intentionally to hurt or disrespect TGNC people. Repeatedly being misgendered can be a source of great distress. It is important to use the correct pronouns when referring to someone because it honors their gender identity and is a sign of mutual respect between the involved parties. It is also important to use the correct pronouns for the safety of the person involved. Using incorrect pronouns can potentially put the person in an unsafe situation by "outing" them. Outing someone is when you do something to expose someone's identity without their consent. LOL, you're starting to sound like a Christian after all! Got to go beat up on that 0.8% of the population that is mostly hiding, impoverished, and terrified because they are "persecuting" Christians. www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 21:24:51 GMT -5
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Do you have a problem with being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination? I see it as a very worthy aspiration.
Only when discrimination is being created, exaggerated, and exploited for political or personal gain. Affirmative action required reverse discrimination, Reparations is an effort to enrich one race by stealing from another, Black Lives Matter was just a ploy to profit off of white guilt. When looting and burning down businesses is green lighted, and there's more victims of crime because criminals are released without bail, then I feel the 'worthy aspiration' has gone too far to appease minorities.
I am happy to hear from people who have been desperately discriminated against in the past. I am fortunate. My ancestors were not enslaved and killed for the colour of their skin. It will not hurt me to listen. As a society we need to decide how we go forward but we need to listen when the treatment has been so abhorrent. I do believe in systemic racism. Imo it is not yet out of our system. I don’t expect you will agree with me. That’s alright. |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 21:35:32 GMT -5
I can only guess at what you mean Fixit. Care to elaborate? For example, if woke meant making a big deal about using the correct pronouns for the growing list of genders then I wouldn't consider it such a very worthy aspiration. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identitiesHere's what New York City has to say about it... Why is it important to respect people's Gender Pronouns?You can't always know what someone’s gender pronoun is by looking at them. Asking and correctly using someone's pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their gender identity. When someone is referred to with the wrong pronoun, it can make them feel disrespected, invalidated, dismissed, alienated, or dysphoric (or, often, all of the above.) While many people use the wrong pronoun by mistake, sometimes people use the wrong pronoun intentionally to hurt or disrespect TGNC people. Repeatedly being misgendered can be a source of great distress. It is important to use the correct pronouns when referring to someone because it honors their gender identity and is a sign of mutual respect between the involved parties. It is also important to use the correct pronouns for the safety of the person involved. Using incorrect pronouns can potentially put the person in an unsafe situation by "outing" them. Outing someone is when you do something to expose someone's identity without their consent. I suspect the pronoun problem is only a symptom of the underlying problem. I have thought a lot about this as I haven’t understood. I have never had difficulty identifying as a woman. But I try to understand because there is no denying that it is a very challenging issue for youth these days. So I write it off as nonsense? I don’t think so. Where i’m at right now is that it is a movement toward more androgyny. In that respect I think it might be a good thing and the youth are giving us a gift. They are the recipients of a sh’t load of baggage sexual inequity and abuse. They smell a rat and the pronoun is them reaching out and saying “there’s something wrong here”. I look forward to seeing how this goes. This is just what I’m thinking. I may well be off base. |
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Post by fixit on Jan 28, 2023 21:51:07 GMT -5
For example, if woke meant making a big deal about using the correct pronouns for the growing list of genders then I wouldn't consider it such a very worthy aspiration. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identitiesHere's what New York City has to say about it... Why is it important to respect people's Gender Pronouns?You can't always know what someone’s gender pronoun is by looking at them. Asking and correctly using someone's pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their gender identity. When someone is referred to with the wrong pronoun, it can make them feel disrespected, invalidated, dismissed, alienated, or dysphoric (or, often, all of the above.) While many people use the wrong pronoun by mistake, sometimes people use the wrong pronoun intentionally to hurt or disrespect TGNC people. Repeatedly being misgendered can be a source of great distress. It is important to use the correct pronouns when referring to someone because it honors their gender identity and is a sign of mutual respect between the involved parties. It is also important to use the correct pronouns for the safety of the person involved. Using incorrect pronouns can potentially put the person in an unsafe situation by "outing" them. Outing someone is when you do something to expose someone's identity without their consent. LOL, you're starting to sound like a Christian after all! Got to go beat up on that 0.8% of the population that is mostly hiding, impoverished, and terrified because they are "persecuting" Christians. www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-billCan you not see that a worthy cause like anti-racism can be diluted by expanding the focus? |
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 28, 2023 22:24:10 GMT -5
Can you not see that a worthy cause like anti-racism can be diluted by expanding the focus? If you really believe in human rights, there isn't dilution. If you believe that certain gender identities or sexual orientations deserve execution followed by eternal torture, well I can see that. And the anti-racists will 100% pass up on that advocate for character issues. |
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Post by rudyw on Jan 28, 2023 22:24:54 GMT -5
Yes, locally the Woke crowd act like a cult. One has to watch what they say. If you say the wrong thing, or contradict their particular form of Woke Orthodoxy, you WILL be punished. What is the punishment? I don’t really want to get into it, mainly because I don’t have the time to get involved in too many threads in this site. I prefer the more religious threads. But, I’ll briefly answer: in the extreme Left city I work in; and with working for a large corporation that is Woke; someone like me cannot develop friendships with other employees….at least not true friendships, because you can’t honestly be yourself. You have to watch what you say. If you say the wrong thing you’ll be reported ;anonymously) to either the supervisor or HR. It happened to me once. They wouldn’t tell me who complained, when the incident happened or what I said. It was ridiculous. All I know is that it had to do with personal pronouns against one person who I hadn’t seen in months & who works for the corporation in another city. I’ve learned to just go to work & only associate with the one other 2x2 in the company. I’m polite, helpful, say good morning good bye but don’t confide anything with anyone & I keep conversation impersonal. I could go on but honestly don’t have the time or ambition to do so. The subject (Woke) is honestly ridiculous to me, & I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 28, 2023 22:28:13 GMT -5
I don’t really want to get into it, mainly because I don’t have the time to get involved in too many threads in this site. I prefer the more religious threads. But, I’ll briefly answer: in the extreme Left city I work in; and with working for a large corporation that is Woke; someone like me cannot develop friendships with other employees….at least not true friendships, because you can’t honestly be yourself. You have to watch what you say. If you say the wrong thing you’ll be reported ;anonymously) to either the supervisor or HR. It happened to me once. They wouldn’t tell me who complained, when the incident happened or what I said. It was ridiculous. All I know is that it had to do with personal pronouns against one person who I hadn’t seen in months & who works for the corporation in another city. I’ve learned to just go to work & only associate with the one other 2x2 in the company. I’m polite, helpful, say good morning good bye but don’t confide anything with anyone & I keep conversation impersonal. I could go on but honestly don’t have the time or ambition to do so. The subject (Woke) is honestly ridiculous to me, & I’ll leave it at that. Sounds like a good thing for you. If you are a friend of the world, you are an enemy of God. The workers always discouraged friendships with worldlings. |
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Post by fixit on Jan 28, 2023 22:37:19 GMT -5
Can you not see that a worthy cause like anti-racism can be diluted by expanding the focus? If you really believe in human rights, there isn't dilution. If you believe that certain gender identities or sexual orientations deserve execution followed by eternal torture, well I can see that. And the anti-racists will 100% pass up on that advocate for character issues. So all of the charitable causes and movements on the planet should merge into one great big "human rights" movement? |
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Post by verna on Jan 28, 2023 22:46:47 GMT -5
I don’t really want to get into it, mainly because I don’t have the time to get involved in too many threads in this site. I prefer the more religious threads. But, I’ll briefly answer: in the extreme Left city I work in; and with working for a large corporation that is Woke; someone like me cannot develop friendships with other employees….at least not true friendships, because you can’t honestly be yourself. You have to watch what you say. If you say the wrong thing you’ll be reported ;anonymously) to either the supervisor or HR. It happened to me once. They wouldn’t tell me who complained, when the incident happened or what I said. It was ridiculous. All I know is that it had to do with personal pronouns against one person who I hadn’t seen in months & who works for the corporation in another city. I’ve learned to just go to work & only associate with the one other 2x2 in the company. I’m polite, helpful, say good morning good bye but don’t confide anything with anyone & I keep conversation impersonal. I could go on but honestly don’t have the time or ambition to do so. The subject (Woke) is honestly ridiculous to me, & I’ll leave it at that. That must have been hard rudyw. Interestingly I got raked over the coals in a meeting recently for spouting what you would call “woke” views. Society is pretty sensitized at this point, on both sides. We’re all finding our way. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 29, 2023 17:04:27 GMT -5
That is not all it means now... That is why I don’t personally care for the term. As I understand, many African Americans don’t use it. It has been redefined and just used as a weapon by the right. It doesn't matter which of the meanings Wally wants for the term, they're all derogatory terms invented to be used about the anything non-MAGA-approved. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 29, 2023 17:10:52 GMT -5
Can you not see that a worthy cause like anti-racism can be diluted by expanding the focus? Exactly. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 29, 2023 17:16:32 GMT -5
I don’t really want to get into it, Of course not. Religious people have a hard time prosecuting their persecutors. |
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Post by snow on Jan 29, 2023 18:15:15 GMT -5
I think a majority of people are confused. I am told to 'wake up' and in the next sentence I am being told I'm 'woke'. You just can't keep anyone happy these days lol. Woke is just a movement promoted by a minority of misguided activist who are intent on imposing their agenda on the majority. If you insist on remaining unwoke, odds are you still have some morals and prefer to adhere to old fashion values.
Most of the stuff that those who are 'unwoke' don't want are things that actually are supposed to help people. The 'woke' usually want to make life better for everyone not just certain groups. Are you opposed to that? Sometimes changes that help the many are things that change things for those who are used to having an advantage. Then when that advantage is challenged even a little, they complain not thinking about the fact that all the advantages they had were not there at all or minimally for the groups that are now being included. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 18:19:49 GMT -5
That is why I don’t personally care for the term. As I understand, many African Americans don’t use it. It has been redefined and just used as a weapon by the right. It doesn't matter which of the meanings Wally wants for the term, they're all derogatory terms invented to be used about the anything non-MAGA-approved. Wally did not give the terms, lefties did though... |
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Post by snow on Jan 29, 2023 18:23:32 GMT -5
For example, if woke meant making a big deal about using the correct pronouns for the growing list of genders then I wouldn't consider it such a very worthy aspiration. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identitiesHere's what New York City has to say about it... Why is it important to respect people's Gender Pronouns?You can't always know what someone’s gender pronoun is by looking at them. Asking and correctly using someone's pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their gender identity. When someone is referred to with the wrong pronoun, it can make them feel disrespected, invalidated, dismissed, alienated, or dysphoric (or, often, all of the above.) While many people use the wrong pronoun by mistake, sometimes people use the wrong pronoun intentionally to hurt or disrespect TGNC people. Repeatedly being misgendered can be a source of great distress. It is important to use the correct pronouns when referring to someone because it honors their gender identity and is a sign of mutual respect between the involved parties. It is also important to use the correct pronouns for the safety of the person involved. Using incorrect pronouns can potentially put the person in an unsafe situation by "outing" them. Outing someone is when you do something to expose someone's identity without their consent. I suspect the pronoun problem is only a symptom of the underlying problem. I have thought a lot about this as I haven’t understood. I have never had difficulty identifying as a woman. But I try to understand because there is no denying that it is a very challenging issue for youth these days. So I write it off as nonsense? I don’t think so. Where i’m at right now is that it is a movement toward more androgyny. In that respect I think it might be a good thing and the youth are giving us a gift. They are the recipients of a sh’t load of baggage sexual inequity and abuse. They smell a rat and the pronoun is them reaching out and saying “there’s something wrong here”. I look forward to seeing how this goes. This is just what I’m thinking. I may well be off base. I don't think you can actually ever go wrong by showing respect. It's the one thing that many people haven't experienced and it's a wonderful thing to see someone experience it for the first time. Working with Corrections Canada I saw it make such a difference in the demeanor of our people in the halfway house I worked in. It makes people want to reach up instead of staying down at the level people usually put them at. |
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