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Post by Lee on Aug 3, 2022 15:05:10 GMT -5
Does anyone share my curiosity with Christianity’s early push back against the Gnostic conception of Jesus, and it’s implications for who and what mankind was, and who he was intended to be? How are we to make sense of this scripture? For it is clear that he did not come to help angels, but the descendants of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16 I am curious Lee. What do you think it means? To the audience of the author, I believe angels we’re thought of as beings who existed external or immune from the local, finite, and/or corrupting experiences of everyday man. The author wanted to his readers to “own” their human experiences, and to repent and pursue salvation authentically. He was preempting the idea we were merely angels having a human experience. That would mean “sin” was merely an outcome of circumstances. That idea pops up in new age, a few “Christian” religions, and popular medicine, especially psychology, or the science of the soul. Its the idea “I/we can’t help ourselves” versus the idea “I/we have the power to be honest and to change”. In a more fundamental way, the argument is over determinism versus nondeterminism. Culture today largely embraces the deterministic assumptions of Darwinism and physicalism. One has to swim upstream to recover a basis of belief in freewill, autonomy, and a connecting agency between the physical and spiritual foundations of consciousness.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 3, 2022 15:26:54 GMT -5
You consider Merriam- Webster tepid? How's the hallucinations coming along. Had any voices in your head lately after praying to your imaginary friend? No, but I don’t consider anything I think to be purely my own. The life/non life distinction, as well as the self consciousness peculiar to human beings, is best explained by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Fortunately I am free from the mythology you still believe in.
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Post by verna on Aug 3, 2022 15:41:22 GMT -5
You consider Merriam- Webster tepid? How's the hallucinations coming along. Had any voices in your head lately after praying to your imaginary friend? No, but I don’t consider anything I think to be purely my own. The life/non life distinction, as well as the self consciousness peculiar to human beings, is best explained by the presence of the Holy Spirit. So self consciousness is a result of the Holy Spirit. This sounds like rudy’s belief that the body is the light bulb, the spirit is the electricity and the coming together is the light/consciousness. I think that’s how he explained it. Is that what you believe?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 16:34:26 GMT -5
No, but I don’t consider anything I think to be purely my own. The life/non life distinction, as well as the self consciousness peculiar to human beings, is best explained by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Fortunately I am free from the mythology you still believe in. This is a good example of how belief in mythology is maintained. By attributing thoughts, feelings, experiences, events, non events, voices, healings, writings etc to one’s [mythical] God one can continually convince oneself that one’s [mythical] God really is there. Meanwhile those bereft of the Holy Spirit are left curious as to how a Holy Spirit which they certainly aren’t in possession of, and which they see no evidence of, can possibly be the best explanation for their self consciousness. I guess if you start with the explanation that you want and then rule out every other possibility, it is unsurprising that you end up exactly where you wanted to go. It is only when one is sufficiently honest/open minded/de-conditioned to accept the possibility of other explanations that the true explanations become clear. After which the need for a [mythical] God disappears. Matt10
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Post by intelchips on Aug 3, 2022 17:32:39 GMT -5
There was a time when I also thought that the Gnostics were of the same time as the Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera family, but later in life my betters educated me to the fact they didn't come along until long after Jesus was dead. How much later? Without doing some research I'm thinking 100-200 years later. But I could be wrong, Reference: As an esoteric religion which arose in the first century AD, Gnosis was centered on redemption through the revelation of humanity’s secret divine origins. The term gnosticism was coined to refer to a religious system which developed in the second and third centuries, when it was influenced by Christianity as well as Platonism.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 4, 2022 1:43:58 GMT -5
No, but I don’t consider anything I think to be purely my own. The life/non life distinction, as well as the self consciousness peculiar to human beings, is best explained by the presence of the Holy Spirit. So self consciousness is a result of the Holy Spirit. This sounds like rudy’s belief that the body is the light bulb, the spirit is the electricity and the coming together is the light/consciousness. I think that’s how he explained it. Is that what you believe? I don’t think the Holy Spirit gives self consciousness. I think the breath of life (given from God according to the law of biogenesis) produces self-consciousness, like the illustration you just gave, Verna. The Holy Spirit is different than the breath of life IMO. But, I think I understand what Lee is saying.
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Post by Lee on Aug 4, 2022 13:02:02 GMT -5
So there are two agencies of God that give us life and consciousness? Do these commune and coordinate with each other?
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Post by Lee on Aug 4, 2022 13:02:39 GMT -5
Fortunately I am free from the mythology you still believe in. This is a good example of how belief in mythology is maintained. By attributing thoughts, feelings, experiences, events, non events, voices, healings, writings etc to one’s [mythical] God one can continually convince oneself that one’s [mythical] God really is there. Meanwhile those bereft of the Holy Spirit are left curious as to how a Holy Spirit which they certainly aren’t in possession of, and which they see no evidence of, can possibly be the best explanation for their self consciousness. I guess if you start with the explanation that you want and then rule out every other possibility, it is unsurprising that you end up exactly where you wanted to go. It is only when one is sufficiently honest/open minded/de-conditioned to accept the possibility of other explanations that the true explanations become clear. After which the need for a [mythical] God disappears. Matt10 What explanations? What is consciousness?
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Post by Lee on Aug 4, 2022 13:09:58 GMT -5
No, but I don’t consider anything I think to be purely my own. The life/non life distinction, as well as the self consciousness peculiar to human beings, is best explained by the presence of the Holy Spirit. So self consciousness is a result of the Holy Spirit. This sounds like rudy’s belief that the body is the light bulb, the spirit is the electricity and the coming together is the light/consciousness. I think that’s how he explained it. Is that what you believe? Its a reasonable metaphor. I think the personality rendering qualities of the Holy Spirit are more nuanced than the isolated energy form of electricity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 16:37:23 GMT -5
This is a good example of how belief in mythology is maintained. By attributing thoughts, feelings, experiences, events, non events, voices, healings, writings etc to one’s [mythical] God one can continually convince oneself that one’s [mythical] God really is there. Meanwhile those bereft of the Holy Spirit are left curious as to how a Holy Spirit which they certainly aren’t in possession of, and which they see no evidence of, can possibly be the best explanation for their self consciousness. I guess if you start with the explanation that you want and then rule out every other possibility, it is unsurprising that you end up exactly where you wanted to go. It is only when one is sufficiently honest/open minded/de-conditioned to accept the possibility of other explanations that the true explanations become clear. After which the need for a [mythical] God disappears. Matt10 What explanations? What is consciousness? If you’re challenging something in particular that I wrote you’ll have to be much clearer. Vagueness may be the friend of the religious believer but it is a currency in which the unbeliever does not deal. I thought we were talking about self consciousness rather than consciousness which, as I understand it, is an awareness of oneself. Matt10
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 19:42:26 GMT -5
So there are two agencies of God that give us life and consciousness? Do these commune and coordinate with each other? No, there’s one agency of life that causes consciousness, and that’s the breath of life from God. The breath of life sustains us. When it’s withdrawn, we (like all other creatures) die. Life comes from life.
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Post by xna on Aug 5, 2022 21:09:35 GMT -5
So there are two agencies of God that give us life and consciousness? Do these commune and coordinate with each other? No, there’s one agency of life that causes consciousness, and that’s the breath of life from God. The breath of life sustains us. When it’s withdrawn, we (like all other creatures) die. Life comes from life. I wonder how all spirit stuff works when your breathing stops but yet you remain alive, like what happens when you are on a heat lung bypass machine?
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 21:17:42 GMT -5
No, there’s one agency of life that causes consciousness, and that’s the breath of life from God. The breath of life sustains us. When it’s withdrawn, we (like all other creatures) die. Life comes from life. I wonder how all spirit stuff works when your breathing stops but yet you remain alive, like what happens when you are on a heat lung bypass machine? That’s an interesting inquiry! I had an uncle who was on artificial respiration (he’d asphyxiated and was being kept alive by a breathing machine). He was brain dead. As a family we chose to take him off of ‘artificial’ life support. It was disturbing, because we were in the room when they turned it all off. He was gone within half an hour. I have no proof, but my impression is that ‘he’ wasn’t really there any. It seemed that he was just organic material without a soul, which to me would make sense.
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Post by xna on Aug 5, 2022 21:30:41 GMT -5
I wonder how all spirit stuff works when your breathing stops but yet you remain alive, like what happens when you are on a heat lung bypass machine? That’s an interesting inquiry! I had an uncle who was on artificial respiration (he’d asphyxiated and was being kept alive by a breathing machine). He was brain dead. As a family we chose to take him off of ‘artificial’ life support. It was disturbing, because we were in the room when they turned it all off. He was gone within half an hour. I have no proof, but my impression is that ‘he’ wasn’t really there any. It seemed that he was just organic material without a soul, which to me would make sense. My dad was in a similar state, with a brain aneurysm. His brain was dead, so it was not a difficult call to pull the plug. Not a bad way to go. There are 200,000 + open heart surgeries per year in the USA. Could they be all soulless?
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 21:48:32 GMT -5
That’s an interesting inquiry! I had an uncle who was on artificial respiration (he’d asphyxiated and was being kept alive by a breathing machine). He was brain dead. As a family we chose to take him off of ‘artificial’ life support. It was disturbing, because we were in the room when they turned it all off. He was gone within half an hour. I have no proof, but my impression is that ‘he’ wasn’t really there any. It seemed that he was just organic material without a soul, which to me would make sense. My dad was in a similar state, with a brain aneurysm. His brain was dead, so it was not a difficult call to pull the plug. Not a bad way to go. There are 200,000 + open heart surgeries per year in the USA. Could they be all soulless? It’s good question. My belief is that the ‘soul’ is the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force). When the breath of life is withdrawn, the soul (you) die. So, if there is no ‘you’ (no cognizant activity) I’d say you’re‘soulless’. Most Christians would disagree with me on this though.
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Post by guest8 on Aug 5, 2022 22:00:23 GMT -5
I wonder how all spirit stuff works when your breathing stops but yet you remain alive, like what happens when you are on a heat lung bypass machine? That’s an interesting inquiry! I had an uncle who was on artificial respiration (he’d asphyxiated and was being kept alive by a breathing machine). He was brain dead. As a family we chose to take him off of ‘artificial’ life support. It was disturbing, because we were in the room when they turned it all off. He was gone within half an hour. I have no proof, but my impression is that ‘he’ wasn’t really there any. It seemed that he was just organic material without a soul, which to me would make sense. I may of read this wrong, but 'without a soul'. Do you mean after death, the soul is gone too? Just interested in the topic discussed.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 22:10:34 GMT -5
That’s an interesting inquiry! I had an uncle who was on artificial respiration (he’d asphyxiated and was being kept alive by a breathing machine). He was brain dead. As a family we chose to take him off of ‘artificial’ life support. It was disturbing, because we were in the room when they turned it all off. He was gone within half an hour. I have no proof, but my impression is that ‘he’ wasn’t really there any. It seemed that he was just organic material without a soul, which to me would make sense. I may of read this wrong, but 'without a soul'. Do you mean after death, the soul is gone too? Just interested in the topic discussed. I believe, and was taught from my youth (not in the 2x2s but in a Baptist sect peculiar to where I live) that the Soul is the Thinking/intellectual part of all living beings (animal and human). The spirit ( breath of life) gives Life (animates) the dust of the ground, creating a Living Soul. When the spirit (the breath of life) is withdrawn the man is a dead soul. In resurrection God will bring us back by breathing the breath of life once again. So, we die, but death is called a ‘sleep’ in scripture because death is a temporary state. I hope this make sense!
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Post by Grant on Aug 5, 2022 22:16:09 GMT -5
My dad was in a similar state, with a brain aneurysm. His brain was dead, so it was not a difficult call to pull the plug. Not a bad way to go. There are 200,000 + open heart surgeries per year in the USA. Could they be all soulless? It’s good question. My belief is that the ‘soul’ is the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force). When the breath of life is withdrawn, the soul (you) die. So, if there is no ‘you’ (no cognizant activity) I’d say you’re‘soulless’. Most Christians would disagree with me on this though. A complicated topic. I don't disagree with you. I believe the physical body including soul die. It's the spirit that goes back to God. But then the soul carries the memories so that confuses it as some of the parables suggest the soul lives on. A lot of people see the soul and spirit as the same, I see them as different. God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. He was physical without life before then.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 22:24:07 GMT -5
It’s good question. My belief is that the ‘soul’ is the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force). When the breath of life is withdrawn, the soul (you) die. So, if there is no ‘you’ (no cognizant activity) I’d say you’re‘soulless’. Most Christians would disagree with me on this though. A complicated topic. I don't disagree with you. I believe the physical body including soul die. It's the spirit that goes back to God. But then the soul carries the memories so that confuses it as some of the parables suggest the soul lives on. A lot of people see the soul and spirit as the same, I see them as different. God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. He was physical without life before then. I agree, it can be confusing. Though, the Bible seems to indicate that the spirit and soul are two separate things. God formed man out of the dust, & He breathed into him (biogenesis) the Breath of Life, & man BECAME a Living Soul. Breath of Life plus the Dust of the Ground = a living soul. The Dust of the Ground minus the Breath of Lufe = a dead soul. The wages of sin is death (the opposite of life). Hence, the need for resurrection. JMO.
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Post by guest8 on Aug 5, 2022 22:26:29 GMT -5
I guess its the terminology used by various people to mean different things.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 23:53:14 GMT -5
I guess its the terminology used by various people to mean different things. Yes, a lot of it comes down to semantics. IMO the key to understanding Body/soul/spirit is to get rid of traditional thinking & to delve into the original Hebrew & Greek (biblical Hebrew & Greek) usage of the words. I totally understand why others believe in an ‘immortal’ soul. In some ways I think that belief in the immortal soul is more attractive than believing in a mortal soul. But, the word ‘immortal’ and soul are never combined in the Bible. The immortal soul doctrine is tradition, & not biblical. I understand that most Christians have not been challenged to think differently. I certainly do not judge others for thinking differently than me on this doctrine.
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Post by guest8 on Aug 6, 2022 0:32:20 GMT -5
I am open to perceptions on this one. I have tried to be flexible in my beliefs in regards to death and dying ..that which there is no proof of. I personally don't base my spirituality and all my living days around getting a reward in another life. My rewards or disappointments in self, come now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 1:52:50 GMT -5
I may of read this wrong, but 'without a soul'. Do you mean after death, the soul is gone too? Just interested in the topic discussed. I believe, and was taught from my youth (not in the 2x2s but in a Baptist sect peculiar to where I live) that the Soul is the Thinking/intellectual part of all living beings (animal and human). The spirit ( breath of life) gives Life (animates) the dust of the ground, creating a Living Soul. When the spirit (the breath of life) is withdrawn the man is a dead soul. In resurrection God will bring us back by breathing the breath of life once again. So, we die, but death is called a ‘sleep’ in scripture because death is a temporary state. I hope this make sense! I’m afraid it makes no sense whatsoever. In one place you define the soul as “the thinking part of all living beings” while in another you define it as “the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force)”. I’m not sure why you need multiple definitions but based on your definitions it seems clear that you define the soul as something that is living. But yet you go on to talk of “dead souls”. You appear to be confused as to whether a soul is something that can be living or dead (like a physical body) or something that can be present or absent (like life). You also appear unclear as to whether a physical body that is alive and thinking IS a soul or HAS a soul. There are physical bodies and there is life. Those things are fairly certain as one can observe evidence of them. However your idea of the soul appears to be something of your own creation. There are two things that I have learned about religion. The first is that religious beliefs exist in a different sphere than logic and science and truth and rationality and critical thinking and detail. It therefore is foolish to discuss them in this context or to try to explain them. Religious beliefs flourish best when they are learned off by heart and then recited among fellow believers without questioning. The 2x2 church is a master of that. The second thing I have learned is that small weird Christian religious sects have nothing to contribute to the advancement of human knowledge and understanding and therefore anything that is taught from our youth in one of these sects is best set aside on reaching adulthood. Matt10
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Post by xna on Aug 6, 2022 7:03:38 GMT -5
It’s good question. My belief is that the ‘soul’ is the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force). When the breath of life is withdrawn, the soul (you) die. So, if there is no ‘you’ (no cognizant activity) I’d say you’re‘soulless’. Most Christians would disagree with me on this though. A complicated topic. I don't disagree with you. I believe the physical body including soul die. It's the spirit that goes back to God. But then the soul carries the memories so that confuses it as some of the parables suggest the soul lives on. A lot of people see the soul and spirit as the same, I see them as different. God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. He was physical without life before then. I see the body as real, but the supernatural soul and spirt as cultural myths, and not real.
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Post by Annan on Aug 6, 2022 8:04:43 GMT -5
I may of read this wrong, but 'without a soul'. Do you mean after death, the soul is gone too? Just interested in the topic discussed. I believe, and was taught from my youth (not in the 2x2s but in a Baptist sect peculiar to where I live) that the Soul is the Thinking/intellectual part of all living beings (animal and human). The spirit ( breath of life) gives Life (animates) the dust of the ground, creating a Living Soul. When the spirit (the breath of life) is withdrawn the man is a dead soul. In resurrection God will bring us back by breathing the breath of life once again. So, we die, but death is called a ‘sleep’ in scripture because death is a temporary state. I hope this make sense! Could we not define the soul then as consciousness? Self awareness? When man evolved to think and reason and not act on instinct? In my opinion, the body is alive. How? I haven't a clue, except that it's biological. Simple sugars, etc from the primordial stew. Consciousness and self-awareness evolved. My personality is a result of my biological makeup. Then the question becomes how did I get to be me? I often wonder if I am me and you too. In other words, you think you are you and I think I am me, but in reality, we are all one. Consciousness residing in individual bodies, but one united. As a psychic, when I read a person, I read the energies and memories attached to the person I am reading. Aunt Sally never says there is money sewn into the mattress in the guest room.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 6, 2022 8:09:01 GMT -5
I believe, and was taught from my youth (not in the 2x2s but in a Baptist sect peculiar to where I live) that the Soul is the Thinking/intellectual part of all living beings (animal and human). The spirit ( breath of life) gives Life (animates) the dust of the ground, creating a Living Soul. When the spirit (the breath of life) is withdrawn the man is a dead soul. In resurrection God will bring us back by breathing the breath of life once again. So, we die, but death is called a ‘sleep’ in scripture because death is a temporary state. I hope this make sense! Could we not define the soul then as consciousness? Self awareness? When man evolved to think and reason and not act on instinct? In my opinion, the body is alive. How? I haven't a clue, except that it's biological. Simple sugars, etc from the primordial stew. Consciousness and self-awareness evolved. My personality is a result of my biological makeup. Then the question becomes how did I get to be me? I often wonder if I am me and you too. In other words, you think you are you and I think I am me, but in reality, we are all one. Consciousness residing in individual bodies, but one united. As a psychic, when I read a person, I read the energies and memories attached to the person I am reading. Aunt Sally never says there is money sewn into the mattress in the guest room. Yes, I’d agree with this: Could we not define the soul then as consciousness? Self awareness? That’s what I was attempting to say, but probably wasn’t clear enough. I think the consciousness comes about by the breath of life entering the individual.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 6, 2022 8:18:50 GMT -5
I believe, and was taught from my youth (not in the 2x2s but in a Baptist sect peculiar to where I live) that the Soul is the Thinking/intellectual part of all living beings (animal and human). The spirit ( breath of life) gives Life (animates) the dust of the ground, creating a Living Soul. When the spirit (the breath of life) is withdrawn the man is a dead soul. In resurrection God will bring us back by breathing the breath of life once again. So, we die, but death is called a ‘sleep’ in scripture because death is a temporary state. I hope this make sense! I’m afraid it makes no sense whatsoever. In one place you define the soul as “the thinking part of all living beings” while in another you define it as “the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force)”. I’m not sure why you need multiple definitions but based on your definitions it seems clear that you define the soul as something that is living. But yet you go on to talk of “dead souls”. You appear to be confused as to whether a soul is something that can be living or dead (like a physical body) or something that can be present or absent (like life). You also appear unclear as to whether a physical body that is alive and thinking IS a soul or HAS a soul. There are physical bodies and there is life. Those things are fairly certain as one can observe evidence of them. However your idea of the soul appears to be something of your own creation. There are two things that I have learned about religion. The first is that religious beliefs exist in a different sphere than logic and science and truth and rationality and critical thinking and detail. It therefore is foolish to discuss them in this context or to try to explain them. Religious beliefs flourish best when they are learned off by heart and then recited among fellow believers without questioning. The 2x2 church is a master of that. The second thing I have learned is that small weird Christian religious sects have nothing to contribute to the advancement of human knowledge and understanding and therefore anything that is taught from our youth in one of these sects is best set aside on reaching adulthood. Matt10 Matt10, I agree with you when you say, “ There are physical bodies and there is life. Those things are fairly certain as one can observe evidence of them.” What I’m saying is that a living, conscious person is a living soul. A dead, unthinking corpse is a dead soul. It’s a description (using biblical terms) of the process of birth, life & death.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 9:12:44 GMT -5
I’m afraid it makes no sense whatsoever. In one place you define the soul as “the thinking part of all living beings” while in another you define it as “the combination of the physical body & the breath of life (the life force)”. I’m not sure why you need multiple definitions but based on your definitions it seems clear that you define the soul as something that is living. But yet you go on to talk of “dead souls”. You appear to be confused as to whether a soul is something that can be living or dead (like a physical body) or something that can be present or absent (like life). You also appear unclear as to whether a physical body that is alive and thinking IS a soul or HAS a soul. There are physical bodies and there is life. Those things are fairly certain as one can observe evidence of them. However your idea of the soul appears to be something of your own creation. There are two things that I have learned about religion. The first is that religious beliefs exist in a different sphere than logic and science and truth and rationality and critical thinking and detail. It therefore is foolish to discuss them in this context or to try to explain them. Religious beliefs flourish best when they are learned off by heart and then recited among fellow believers without questioning. The 2x2 church is a master of that. The second thing I have learned is that small weird Christian religious sects have nothing to contribute to the advancement of human knowledge and understanding and therefore anything that is taught from our youth in one of these sects is best set aside on reaching adulthood. Matt10 Matt10, I agree with you when you say, “ There are physical bodies and there is life. Those things are fairly certain as one can observe evidence of them.” What I’m saying is that a living, conscious person is a living soul. A dead, unthinking corpse is a dead soul. It’s a description (using biblical terms) of the process of birth, life & death. I find that biblical terms such as souls and spirits and Satan are rarely helpful in trying to understand the real world. As I suggested previously, religion exists in a different sphere than the real world and like the great gulf between Lazarus and the rich man one cannot cross between them. If the soul is consciousness then it is less confusing to just talk about consciousness. If the soul is a living conscious person then it is easier to speak simply of a living conscious person. Or simply a living person. People will still understand what you mean. I find much of the talk around souls by believers is aimed at proving there is actually such a thing. As only if the soul exists can it survive death, be condemned to hell or be saved. Without a soul, believing in the Christian God or following Jesus is completely pointless. We are all individuals with physical bodies, minds, life, consciousness, self awareness, personalities, health conditions, beliefs, values and idiosyncrasies etc. These are the things that make us us. We don’t need to introduce terms such as souls to help us make sense of this. Matt10
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