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Post by mountain on Feb 22, 2023 6:37:58 GMT -5
A name or names, are used solely in order to comply with secular/official purposes where such a thing is required. For spiritual purposes, no name is used or even required.
A simple statement such as 'We do not take a name for our spiritual identity, but only do so (examples) when we are required for secular or official business purposes. We render unto God that which is God's and unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.
Matter resolved!
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 23, 2023 11:52:17 GMT -5
A name or names, are used solely in order to comply with secular/official purposes where such a thing is required. For spiritual purposes, no name is used or even required. A simple statement such as 'We do not take a name for our spiritual identity, but only do so (examples) when we are required for secular or official business purposes. We render unto God that which is God's and unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. Matter resolved! (Virgs) There is no excuse for taking a name. It is like taking the mark of the beast so you can conduct business as usual and avoid persecution. The loving heavenly father will brutally torture you forever and ever! And he'll do the same to whoever gives the true church a name. You have to accept all the struggles and persecution that comes from not having a name. It's kind of like having long hair for women. There isn't an exception for if you join the military or police force. You sacrifice by not doing those things so you can keep your long hair.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 11:59:41 GMT -5
A name or names, are used solely in order to comply with secular/official purposes where such a thing is required. For spiritual purposes, no name is used or even required. A simple statement such as 'We do not take a name for our spiritual identity, but only do so (examples) when we are required for secular or official business purposes. We render unto God that which is God's and unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. Matter resolved! (Virgs) There is no excuse for taking a name. It is like taking the mark of the beast so you can conduct business as usual and avoid persecution. The loving heavenly father will brutally torture you forever and ever! And he'll do the same to whoever gives the true church a name. You have to accept all the struggles and persecution that comes from not having a name. It's kind of like having long hair for women. There isn't an exception for if you join the military or police force. You sacrifice by not doing those things so you can keep your long hair. Actually, if you read your Bible carefully you'll find it had two names at the beginning in The Gospels. The Church of Christ and The Church of God. If you carefully read the NT there is nowhere in it any commandment to not be in the military or police and when it's mentioned once they do not tell them to quit to get right with God.
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Post by mountain on Feb 23, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -5
There is no excuse for taking a name. It is like taking the mark of the beast so you can conduct business as usual and avoid persecution. The loving heavenly father will brutally torture you forever and ever! And he'll do the same to whoever gives the true church a name. You have to accept all the struggles and persecution that comes from not having a name. It's kind of like having long hair for women. There isn't an exception for if you join the military or police force. You sacrifice by not doing those things so you can keep your long hair. Actually, if you read your Bible carefully you'll find it had two names at the beginning in The Gospels. The Church of Christ and the Church of God. If you carefully read the NT there is nowhere in it any commandment to not be in the military or police and when it's mentioned once they do not tell them to quit to get right with God. You are indeed right my dear fellow. Although the names used by the 1st Century Church were not titles adopted for widespread identification, by virtue of common habit and repute amongst themselves, they used the names 'Church of God' or the 'Church of Christ,' often shortened to just 'Church!' Therefore is was not without a name. Regarding the prohibition of members joining the military or police service, those misguided groups and organisations should be directed to the book of Acts to read about Cornelius the Roman Centurion who was a devout man, praying always. His prayers came up before God as a testimony to him, yet he was a commander in an invading and occupying army who would suppress revolt and disorder by force if necessary. It is reported that Cornelius was loved by the Jewish people. Also, not long beforehand his mates crucified Jesus. It goes to show that with God, that which seems impossible, is indeed not. Always remember....it is not what you are, but what you are, that counts. Keep that close to your heart and you will do well.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 23, 2023 20:38:58 GMT -5
There is no excuse for taking a name. It is like taking the mark of the beast so you can conduct business as usual and avoid persecution. The loving heavenly father will brutally torture you forever and ever! And he'll do the same to whoever gives the true church a name. You have to accept all the struggles and persecution that comes from not having a name. It's kind of like having long hair for women. There isn't an exception for if you join the military or police force. You sacrifice by not doing those things so you can keep your long hair. Actually, if you read your Bible carefully you'll find it had two names at the beginning in The Gospels. The Church of Christ and The Church of God. If you carefully read the NT there is nowhere in it any commandment to not be in the military or police and when it's mentioned once they do not tell them to quit to get right with God. You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 22:25:31 GMT -5
Actually, if you read your Bible carefully you'll find it had two names at the beginning in The Gospels. The Church of Christ and The Church of God. If you carefully read the NT there is nowhere in it any commandment to not be in the military or police and when it's mentioned once they do not tell them to quit to get right with God. You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period. Seems you are wrong. Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 1Co_11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. 1Co_15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 2Co_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia: Gal_1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 1Ti_3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. So, in '83 when I went in the military women's hair wasn't cut unless it was way past the shoulders. There are two good reasons for that though. 1. Hygiene 2. Safety. In Barracks life you can catch anything from anyone like lice. Women were not allowed in combats roles till a bit after 2000. Cutting the hair short wasn't all that important then. Now that they are allowed in combat they may indeed go very short which leads us into another good reason. 3. Combat. In combat long hair can get you killed. Especially in hand to hand fighting. One wonder what you'd do if a woman lost her hair or most her hair and just cut off the last remaining pieces for some dignity during cancer treatments? Or if a woman needed her hair shaved or cutoff for some surgery?
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Post by rudyw on Feb 24, 2023 0:20:37 GMT -5
Actually, if you read your Bible carefully you'll find it had two names at the beginning in The Gospels. The Church of Christ and The Church of God. If you carefully read the NT there is nowhere in it any commandment to not be in the military or police and when it's mentioned once they do not tell them to quit to get right with God. You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period. This whole ‘No Name’ for the Church was done simply to maintain a ‘nondenominational’ position. If anything ‘The Friends’ is probably the name they’re known by locally. A name is simply a descriptive word or phrase to describe something. BTW, no one would seriously think that anyone else is burning in hell for registering the name ‘Christian Conventions’ or any other name.
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Post by rudyw on Feb 24, 2023 0:22:04 GMT -5
A name or names, are used solely in order to comply with secular/official purposes where such a thing is required. For spiritual purposes, no name is used or even required. A simple statement such as 'We do not take a name for our spiritual identity, but only do so (examples) when we are required for secular or official business purposes. We render unto God that which is God's and unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. Matter resolved! (Virgs) There is no excuse for taking a name. It is like taking the mark of the beast so you can conduct business as usual and avoid persecution. The loving heavenly father will brutally torture you forever and ever! And he'll do the same to whoever gives the true church a name. You have to accept all the struggles and persecution that comes from not having a name. It's kind of like having long hair for women. There isn't an exception for if you join the military or police force. You sacrifice by not doing those things so you can keep your long hair. You’re being ridiculous and no one takes you seriously when you express yourself this way.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 24, 2023 5:29:44 GMT -5
You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period. Seems you are wrong. Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 1Co_11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. 1Co_15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 2Co_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia: Gal_1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 1Ti_3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. So, in '83 when I went in the military women's hair wasn't cut unless it was way past the shoulders. There are two good reasons for that though. 1. Hygiene 2. Safety. In Barracks life you can catch anything from anyone like lice. Women were not allowed in combats roles till a bit after 2000. Cutting the hair short wasn't all that important then. Now that they are allowed in combat they may indeed go very short which leads us into another good reason. 3. Combat. In combat long hair can get you killed. Especially in hand to hand fighting. One wonder what you'd do if a woman lost her hair or most her hair and just cut off the last remaining pieces for some dignity during cancer treatments? Or if a woman needed her hair shaved or cutoff for some surgery? Jesus had an answer to that, did he not? "Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, FEAR HIM". Our hair is one of the most important things to God.
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Post by mountain on Feb 24, 2023 6:43:30 GMT -5
You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period. This whole ‘No Name’ for the Church was done simply to maintain a ‘nondenominational’ position.If anything ‘The Friends’ is probably the name they’re known by locally. A name is simply a descriptive word or phrase to describe something. BTW, no one would seriously think that anyone else is burning in hell for registering the name ‘Christian Conventions’ or any other name. Perhaps originally at the very shoots of the movement. Nondenominational does not mean 'having no connection' with, or being separate from, denominations, but generally means 'not affiliated with any one denomination, but is multi denominational, e.g. like the Faith Mission, who aren't a church but a missionary movement. They direct converts to local churches of various denominations. Originally Irvine and Co. were the same, for a few years at least, until they became exclusive after instituting their own meetings and way of worship. You could say that about then their nondenominational status was replaced by an exclusive one. I would agree that by common habit and repute amongst the fellowship, the term 'The Friends' has actually become a name by which they are known. Also 'The Meetings' is another one. Former 'names' like 'The Testimony' or 'The Tramps,' and The Dippers,' have long since fallen out of use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 13:37:16 GMT -5
Seems you are wrong. Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 1Co_11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. 1Co_15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 2Co_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia: Gal_1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 1Ti_3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. So, in '83 when I went in the military women's hair wasn't cut unless it was way past the shoulders. There are two good reasons for that though. 1. Hygiene 2. Safety. In Barracks life you can catch anything from anyone like lice. Women were not allowed in combats roles till a bit after 2000. Cutting the hair short wasn't all that important then. Now that they are allowed in combat they may indeed go very short which leads us into another good reason. 3. Combat. In combat long hair can get you killed. Especially in hand to hand fighting. One wonder what you'd do if a woman lost her hair or most her hair and just cut off the last remaining pieces for some dignity during cancer treatments? Or if a woman needed her hair shaved or cutoff for some surgery? Jesus had an answer to that, did he not? "Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, FEAR HIM". Our hair is one of the most important things to God. Excellent fundamentalist approach, but sadly mistaken.
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Post by passingby on Mar 11, 2023 20:10:44 GMT -5
You need to talk to the workers and get straightened out. If it was called the Church of Christ or The Church of God in the New Testament, the workers would have used those names. Instead, a few wolves among the sheep came up with "Christian Conventions" and they are probably burning in hell right now screaming for it. The point wasn't about the military either. Substitute being a firefighter or paramedic instead if you want. You can't do anything that requires you to cut your long hair. Period. A: This whole ‘No Name’ for the Church was done simply to maintain a ‘nondenominational’ position. B: If anything ‘The Friends’ is probably the name they’re known by locally. C: A name is simply a descriptive word or phrase to describe something. D: BTW, no one would seriously think that anyone else is burning in hell for registering the name ‘Christian Conventions’ or any other name. Well, might as well add my 2 cents... pretty much agreeing with Rudy's A-D (my added demarcations) comments above A: exactly B: yep, pretty common, but not stuck on it, nicely (aggravatingly so for some) flexible C: Indeed, imo that "...something." is a fellowship of those who've given their life and soul to Christ/God. D: yep again, OpeningAct pretty much lost any serious argument with that one. If I were still a 2x2, - to borrow a description - (I'm not) the argument that someone(s) somewhere registered some name for some purpose, means it applies to me is just dis-functionally silly. Maybe it would, maybe not, it depends..... It like arguing that if you're a born again Christian and the Catholics register themselves as a Christian group, then you Are a Catholic. Just silly.
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 26, 2023 20:01:21 GMT -5
"TRUTH"?? In Victoria in 1929 Bill Carroll registered "THE Christian Assemblies of Australia. Also the Dandenong Convention grounds were Titles/registered in that name. So we were taught by default or some with knowledge were to be liars. Never once did I hear or know of the 2x2 Preachers or one of the 3x trustees ever correcting a person saying we are nameless and/or have no name. It was one of the reasons that here many know the Irvine doctrine followers as being in the "secret Sect". A name can be a convienence but to cover it up and/or lie about it is the 2x2 sin,isn't it. ??
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 27, 2023 20:40:17 GMT -5
I have been reading quite a bit about neolithic humans recently. Two points that stand out is that many late neolithic settlements did not a political system to manage them. The other point is that it appears that many neolithic societies were matriachal rather than patriarchal. Once gods started to be imagined this all changed. And not necessarily for the better.
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Post by cooee on Mar 31, 2023 23:44:13 GMT -5
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