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Post by fixit on Nov 19, 2021 18:19:08 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material?
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 19, 2021 18:33:04 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? ** What are you afraid of? If it's fake nobody is going to believe it just like the Trinity! But if the article is correct on Jesus Christ the "I AM" God and you try to forbid people from reading it then you are in big trouble with Christ himself, elder Fixit. If the article is a FAKE and Frank is a fraud! Nobody is going to believe it and it will go to the waste side but it's true then you don't want to FIGHT against God! and Christ. You won't win just remember Saul of Tarus testimony. How hard he fought against Christ and His True servants and followers, He blinded Saul's eyes/Vision so he couldn't see, if he had NOT changed and REPENT of his way of persecuting God's people! Christ would let him stay blinded forever so, he couldn't harm anymore of His servants and followers in Damascus town . |
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Post by fixit on Nov 19, 2021 18:36:23 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? ** What are you afraid of? If it's fake nobody is going to believe it just like the Trinity! But if the article is correct on Jesus Christ I AM God and you try to forbidden people read it then you are in big trouble with Christ himself, elder Fix it. I'm afraid that good people will be so disgusted with the Nathan/Wally show along with all the garbage copy and paste that they'll leave TMB. |
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Post by Grant on Nov 19, 2021 18:46:00 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? ** What are you afraid of? If it's fake nobody is going to believe it just like the Trinity! But if the article is correct on Jesus Christ I AM God and you try to forbidden people read it then you are in big trouble with Christ himself, elder Fix it. Nathan, were either your mother or father dominating and always have to be right or is it a survival mechanism you've learned along the way? Your behavior is of concern. You are obviously very insecure and have to belittle to make yourself feel good. What's most noticeable is that you do what you accuse others of doing. It must have been hard for you to sit in the meeting and be one of the crowd when your need is to be the centre of attention and dominate. Humility is not one of your strengths. You attack those who challenge you and you perceive as a threat to your ego. I see there is a poll at the beginning of this thread. Polls don't come up as a post when looking at the board on my phone. It was only by chance that I saw it at the top. So there is a poll at the top of this thread, folks. |
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Post by xna on Nov 19, 2021 19:31:12 GMT -5
There seems to be a connection between religiosity and a UFO belief, it’s not just Nathan. I think it is related to critical thinking skills, & what passes as good evidence. Not sure if religion is the gateway to ufology, or the other way around. UFOs and science fiction in Muslim culture goes well beyond ‘Dune’ religionnews.com/2021/11/19/ufos-and-science-fiction-in-muslim-cultures-goes-well-beyond-dune/“In the Quran’s first verse, God is referred to as “rab al-Alamin” or the “lord of the worlds,” a phrase repeated by hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world in their daily prayers. ‘ “..: the Quran also refers to jinn as a parallel but sentient form of life. As Determann points out, the existence of jinn in the Quran has served as another potential theoretical framework for extraterrestrial life — and not only by some Muslims. “ “Farrakhan later claimed he was taken aboard a UFO during a 1985 trip to Mexico, where he met Elijah Muhammad, who had been cured of his past ailments by the aliens on board.” |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 19, 2021 19:51:28 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2021 20:05:13 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Not true nathan, YOU now post about "inner earth" and Venus in your posts yourself ! You who said Workers should be hung ! |
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Post by intelchips on Nov 19, 2021 20:13:18 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Nathan, The world has changed so much from the time I was a child until current recent that I no longer feel like I belong here. 40- 50 years ago ninety percent of people would have known Strangest was a crock of lies at worst or a nut job at the lest. From the day I ran my own house on Easter and Thanks giving for table wine we always had a few bottles of Blue Nun, and lest we forget, it was once a very big deal. The sweetened, mass-market German liebfraumilch (although it is no longer classified as one) took the UK and US by storm at a time when a generation of baby-boomers was reaching the legal drinking age. From the end of WWII until it peaked in the 1980s, reaching annual sales of 2m cases worldwide. So I go to Albertsons to pick up a few bottles and the shelves are empty. So, I ask the spirits department head what has replaced it (thinking he would name some medium priced Riesling). So I asked the fellow and he says most people replace it with a rosé. The first Blue Nun was a 1921 Liebfraumilch, then a respected style of semi-sweet white wine from the Rhine winelands in Germany. But seems no longer in this world. Perhaps I would feel better living on Venus. Is there no help for the son of the widow? |
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2021 20:14:09 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? Yes, nathan accuses others of bringing the subject up, yet he keeps posting his copy and pastes from his God Frank Stranges. He is making the 2x2 church look like some "out there cult" and in my opinion is doing a lot of damage to the 2x2 church. He is using TMB to promote himself and his version of the 2x2 Church. |
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Post by fixit on Nov 19, 2021 20:15:48 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Spare us Nate, we've seen enough of your slander. I don't recall laying a complain with admin. Did he say that I did? |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 19, 2021 20:45:51 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? Yes, nathan accuses others of bringing the subject up, yet he keeps posting his copy and pastes from his God Frank Stranges. He is making the 2x2 church look like some "out there cult" and in my opinion is doing a lot of damage to the 2x2 church. He is using TMB to promote himself and his version of the 2x2 Church. *** You are lying again. Frank and I always point people to follow Christ and He is the "I AM" GOD . Some of the worker preached Jesus Christ the IAM GOD. One of them was a 2x2 worker by name Everett Swanson I posted on TMB his sermon Jesus Christ the IAM God in the Old Testament and the Nwe Testament. Ross B wrote he also heard an senior worker preached Jesus the IAM God also. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 19, 2021 20:50:52 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? ** What are you afraid of?
Why should anyone be afraid of it?
Frank Stranges's story is just a science fiction story and not a very good one at that!
I have read many far better one's than his already!
So why would I want to hear his story over & over, again again?
If I wanted to reread something I would reread Isaac Asimov's Nightfall, or I, Robot! |
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2021 20:56:23 GMT -5
Yes, nathan accuses others of bringing the subject up, yet he keeps posting his copy and pastes from his God Frank Stranges. He is making the 2x2 church look like some "out there cult" and in my opinion is doing a lot of damage to the 2x2 church. He is using TMB to promote himself and his version of the 2x2 Church. *** You are lying again. Frank and I always point people to follow Christ and He is the "I AM" GOD . Some of the worker preached Jesus Christ the IAM GOD. One of them was a 2x2 worker by name Everett Swanson I posted on TMB his sermon Jesus Christ the IAM God in the Old Testament and the Nwe Testament. Ross B wrote he also heard an senior worker preached Jesus the IAM God also. , what part of "Frank Stranges was NOT a 2x2 and DID NOT profess" don't you get ? When you decide you have time to attend Sunday meetings again, are you going to tell everyone how Frankie and you point people to God....! |
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Post by chuck on Nov 19, 2021 21:01:53 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Oh grow up, your acting like a little kid Nathan.... |
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2021 21:55:28 GMT -5
Yes, nathan accuses others of bringing the subject up, yet he keeps posting his copy and pastes from his God Frank Stranges. He is making the 2x2 church look like some "out there cult" and in my opinion is doing a lot of damage to the 2x2 church. He is using TMB to promote himself and his version of the 2x2 Church.
Some of the worker preached Jesus Christ the IAM GOD. One of them was a 2x2 worker by name Everett Swanson I posted on TMB his sermon Jesus Christ the IAM God in the Old Testament and the New Testament.
RossB ex-2x2 wrote on TMB : 8/20/2020
I don't know of any New Testament writer who didn't believe that Jesus was a man - clearly, he was a man - not just any regular man, but the Son of Man. However, if a person reads ALL of the gospel of Matthew, they'll see clearly that Jesus is Lord and the Son of the Living God and is worshipped as Lord. The demons clearly knew who He was. But all of this is not an issue of any significance in the 2x2 church. Workers and friends the world over have zero doubt about both the pre-existence of Christ (as the eternal Son) and the divinity/divine nature of Christ when on earth. Since the late 1960's and emanating from the west coast of the US/Canada, most of them have baulked at, or rejected, Jesus being God - the Son, but they have never denied His pre-existence or divinity/divine nature. Some senior workers are trying to straighten things out. The current Overseer of Colorado, Titus Lehmann, made quite an impact at the 2016 Mudgee Convention in New South Wales, Australia when he said "It is hard to understand how Jesus is God but is also the Son of God. Of course, a couple of workers in New South Wales had tied themselves in knots by denying the divinity/divine nature of our Lord so Titus' intervention was timely and I know from talking to a few elders about it, made quite an impact. But as I said, the pre-existence of Christ or His divine nature have never been rejected at all by the workers or friends so their beliefs are radically different to what you ( fixit, 2x2 elder) believe and promote on TMB. "Christ is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs" Hebrews 1:3-4. I think God the Son is a useful expression for clarifying understanding.... most workers and friends will not accept that Jesus is God or God the Son. I have spoken to many New South Wales workers who absolutely deny that Jesus is God or God the Son or part of the Godhead....although many would say he is divine? One senior worker I asked said "of course, he believed in the Trinity" so I then asked "Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God but also God the Son". He said "we definitely don't believe the latter..." and the conversation moved on. Having said that I believe that a few workers believe in the Trinity and the Godhead of Jesus. I have only heard the word Trinity mentioned once at Convention by a Canadian worker (Maurice or Morris???) in the 1990's at Silverdale Convention, Sydney. A US worker apparently spoke at a Sydney convention two years ago about the Holy Spirit being the third person of the Godhead and David Saunders apparently referred to Jesus as the great "I am" at this year's Sydney Convention. Generally, it is ridiculed as a Catholic doctrine... whereas in reality it is a core Christian doctrine. |
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 19, 2021 21:55:28 GMT -5
You seem to be asking a mixed up combination of at least 4 different questions. 1) Am I sick of hearing about Frank Stranges?
Yes
2) Should posting Frank Stranges material be allowed?
Yes, I support free speech, not censorship
3) Should endless copy/paste be allowed?
No, not if it is an obstruction tactic that impedes the free speech and discussion of others
4) Does Frank Stranges material add value to TMB?
Yes, I believe it does. Nathan's faith in Valient Thor and his Venusian Spaceship are a near-perfect analog to something like the faith of religious people in Noah and his Ark. I think it can help people under the delusions to religion to understand that logical grown-ups perceive you the exact same way that you view Nathan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 22:15:34 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? Free speech love it or leave it censorship thug... |
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2021 22:24:27 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Here is some truth- Fixit/2x2 church elder has his own little AGENDA of OFF-ing people that are his true brothers or sisters in Christ by judging they have incorrect dogma. Speak/2x2 elder stands by and says nothing of the murderous spiritual intent there. No true brothers there. This has run parallel in this post pretty much the entire time. I brought it up yesterday because he would like to dispose of those whom he disagrees with. Here in the US this has happened to some, and quite frankly it is ugly. Thankful that my God will not let me go. God has spoken his truth to me, about who he is. Why are you so hyper- focused on this? I suspect that God has been trying to teach you for quite a while, but your own stubbornness and lack of humility is keeping you back. I have lived enough life to know that you would be hard pressed to find any 2 people who agreed on 100 percent of all there is to know! I do not believe that this is what Nathan is referring to. I will state here that Nathan and I both have been taught of Gods concerning our Godhead beliefs. My own Father is an elder meeting in his home, and believes the same. Many currently on this board, and others who used to post, believe the same concerning the Godhead 2) Openingact34 ex-2x2 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth. Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5. 3) Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said:
Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live. You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't... but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping.
Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2021 22:31:00 GMT -5
1) Sep 14, 2020 fixit said:
I have no idea who you are, C.William. A troll perhaps? I do know Olea, and I respect her right to protest the filth that Nathan has brought to this forum. Like Snow and others who have left TMB, Olea is too good for the cesspool that TMB has become. It's those who have made it a cesspool who should "get a grip".
2) Sep 14, 2020 @ C.William said:
Thanks, fixit . Also saw your previous sent post (now deleted) that simply said "Troll". You sure are a great guy, Fixit. Anyone can see that Olea has moaned about Nathan for months on (or is it years) is still stuck in the same place. Yes, she needs to get a grip or in a year's time her moans will still be filling this board. Your reply (particularly your original one) has made me think about what on earth I am doing here. So I'm leaving.
6/25/21 fixit/2x2 church elder said: Nathan is not a Christian, because he believes God and Jesus live inside Venus and angels fly in and out on spaceships.
~~ Openingact34 wrote: Realistically, most Christians would consider your opposition to the trinity to be a much bigger blasphemy than Nathan's claims about Jesus's space station in hollow Venus. For most of modern history, it would have been the difference between being burned at the stake vs being flogged or tortured with hot irons.
Even today, I suspect the exes and TLC crowd would have to admit that you are less Christian in doctrine. If you don't believe Jesus is God you go straight to hell per God's loving followers. Adding a few spaceships and six-fingered aliens into the gospel isn't a serious doctrinal issue by comparison.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2021 22:46:10 GMT -5
You tried this trick in the past Fixit! You asked the Admn. To ban hollow earth, Jesus lives inside Venus, Valiant Thor on the main page! However, you keep mentioned these subjects in your posts and when I replied to your posts then you cried out to the Admn. That I mention these things on the main page! The Admin. saw what you were doing, trying to get me in trouble with him so, he ignored your complains from then on. You are very a wicked 2x2 elder! Just like Reviewed had mentioned in his posts. When I get home I have to post it again for all to see you are a very, very bad 2x2 elder. Spare us Nate, we've seen enough of your slander. I don't recall laying a complain with admin. Did he say that I did?
How you want to get me to fall into your traps and snares await for me to be banned from posting on TMB. Wally and I KNOW your tricks and your Cronies on here, fixit.... It seems Reborn and others see your tricks also.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2021 23:04:44 GMT -5
Is anyone else sick of Frank E Stranges material? Free speech love it or leave it censorship thug... Remember that next time you respond to chuck, @wally ! You are once again proving my point, you call chuck out but even on this thread, where any of the F&Ws would call nathan out you don't! |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 19, 2021 23:21:03 GMT -5
Yes, nathan accuses others of bringing the subject up, yet he keeps posting his copy and pastes from his God Frank Stranges. He is making the 2x2 church look like some "out there cult" and in my opinion is doing a lot of damage to the 2x2 church. He is using TMB to promote himself and his version of the 2x2 Church. *** You are lying again. Frank and I always point people to follow Christ and He is the "I AM" GOD . Some of the worker preached Jesus Christ the IAM GOD. One of them was a 2x2 worker by name Everett Swanson I posted on TMB his sermon Jesus Christ the IAM God in the Old Testament and the Nwe Testament. Ross B wrote he also heard an senior worker preached Jesus the IAM God also. It is irrelevant what Bowden thinks. He is not a 2x2. 2x2 leadership do not believe in the trinity. You hardly even belong to the 2x2s so you are certainly in no position to change their thinking. As well, you no longer have any credibility with the workers and friends (except Wally) due to your worship of Fwank Stranges and his lies. You need to go find a church that suits your beliefs. The 2x2s is not your church to change. |
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2021 23:32:54 GMT -5
*** You are lying again. Frank and I always point people to follow Christ and He is the "I AM" GOD . Some of the worker preached Jesus Christ the IAM GOD. One of them was a 2x2 worker by name Everett Swanson I posted on TMB his sermon Jesus Christ the IAM God in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Ross B wrote he also heard an senior worker preached Jesus the IAM God also. It is irrelevant what Bowden thinks. He is not a 2x2. 2x2 leadership do not believe in the trinity. You hardly even belong to the 2x2s so you are certainly in no position to change their thinking. As well, you no longer have any credibility with the workers and friends (except Wally) due to your worship of Fwank Stranges and his lies. You need to go find a church that suits your beliefs. The 2x2s is not your church to change. John Long's (2x2 worker from 1898-1907) Journal in 1899 wrote: William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: " Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958 God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.”
5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005 "One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
1) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
3) Gill said in 2018: Was there an effort to remove trinitarian hymns from the book? And possibly a chance to add more hymns. There were some trinity hymns from the 1951 book that were removed in 1987. Cease not to praise Him, the Father and Son. And Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE...remember that hymn??
After the hymn book was published in 1987, you had the mess of excommunication 1990 in Alaska the senior worker, Truitt Oyler for teaching Jesus is God. A brother worker in North Dakota says that there is a doctrine in the world where people believe that the Father and Son are one being. He said it is false doctrine. He went on to say that the devil doesn't like submission.
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Post by Grant on Nov 20, 2021 0:38:51 GMT -5
It is irrelevant what Bowden thinks. He is not a 2x2. 2x2 leadership do not believe in the trinity. You hardly even belong to the 2x2s so you are certainly in no position to change their thinking. As well, you no longer have any credibility with the workers and friends (except Wally) due to your worship of Fwank Stranges and his lies. You need to go find a church that suits your beliefs. The 2x2s is not your church to change. John Long's (2x2 worker from 1898-1907) Journal in 1899 wrote: William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: " Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958 God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.”
5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005 "One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
1) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
Judge for yourself if William Irvine had sound doctrine on Christ. Any true believing Christian would say he doesn't. William Irvine preached, "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the Cross must not be offered to the unGodly" and that the Minisry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing, or the fact that Jesus gave Himself a random for all....'is but a Pharisaical delusion'. He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10. Impartial Reporter 25 August 1910. Or as another worker said, my hope and salvation is in the Blood of Christ but I would like to explain to you what that means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don't have the blood of Christ which includes the church on the home. The forgiveness of sin is a fringe benefit. Leo Sancliff, 1981. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 0:41:50 GMT -5
Free speech love it or leave it censorship thug... Remember that next time you respond to chuck , @wally ! You are once again proving my point, you call chuck out but even on this thread, where any of the F&Ws would call nathan out you don't! I don't advocate censorship. I do advocate negative/positive feedback though. Two different animals if we are being honest(I know that is a stretch for you but try it). Good try though Queen of Broken Records.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 0:44:44 GMT -5
You are a lying ex-2x2 like your queen of broken records RoseT...John Long's (2x2 worker from 1898-1907) Journal in 1899 wrote: William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: " Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958 God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.”
5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005 "One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
1) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
Judge for yourself if William Irvine had sound doctrine on Christ. Any true believing Christian would say he doesn't. William Irvine preached, "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the Cross must not be offered to the unGodly" and that the Minisry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing, or the fact that Jesus gave Himself a random for all....'is but a Pharisaical delusion'. He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10. I don't remember that particular bit of information do you have a source? |
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Post by Grant on Nov 20, 2021 0:48:38 GMT -5
You are a lying ex-2x2 like your queen of broken records RoseT...John Long's (2x2 worker from 1898-1907) Journal in 1899 wrote: William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: " Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958 God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.”
5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005 "One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
1) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
Judge for yourself if William Irvine had sound doctrine on Christ. Any true believing Christian would say he doesn't. William Irvine preached, "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the Cross must not be offered to the unGodly" and that the Minisry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing, or the fact that Jesus gave Himself a random for all....'is but a Pharisaical delusion'. He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10. Impartial Reporter 25 August 1910. Or as another worker said, my hope and salvation is in the Blood of Christ but I would like to explain to you what that means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don't have the blood of Christ which includes the church on the home. The forgiveness of sin is a fringe benefit. Leo Sancliff, 1981. I've posted it here and added more to it. |
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Post by nathan on Nov 20, 2021 0:49:15 GMT -5
You are a lying ex-2x2 like your queen of broken records RoseT...John Long's (2x2 worker from 1898-1907) Journal in 1899 wrote: William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: " Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958 God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.”
5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005 "One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
1) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
Judge for yourself if William Irvine had sound doctrine on Christ. William Irvine preached, "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the Cross must not be offered to the unGodly" and that the Minisry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing, or the fact that Jesus gave Himself a random for all....'is but a Pharisaical delusion'. He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10.
It was a totally different William Irvine, and hardly any senior workers dared to correct his errors and it got worse and his sexual behavior with married professing women and sister workers were NOT good either. He eventually left the ministry and fellowship in 1918. |
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