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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 19:02:07 GMT -5
Sorry, that doesn't work. Now you can discount all I have ever written on this board (and not hurt my feelings) but to gain the big picture view I have; I've stood on the shoulders of intellectual giants who more than deserve your respect. It is like I said above I fear you have fallen for a paradigm that won't allow you to except new information. I know in this world we find ourselves today say like the covid data, we don't know what to believe, but Bible history is not like that at all. With new research we are learning more daily. And to not accept any of it is to close yourself off from the truth Creation can't just appear, we've been created by a creator which is God. It makes more sense to believe that God is there than not to, everything can't just materialise from nothing. And if there was a big bang then God was behind it. You are speaking about the god of the gaps. God of the gaps reasoning occurs when a scientific unknown (a gap) is used to argue for the existence of God. Atheists criticise God of the Gaps because science is slowing filling the gaps, making God unnecessary, they say. Many theists share this objection, believing that God is found in all of his creation, not just in the gaps in our knowledge. And yes, there is much thought on something from nothing. The one I feel has promise is that a black hole in another dimension leaks material into ours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 19:06:19 GMT -5
According to the Bible period prior to the reign of their kings, the Isrelites were divided into tribes led by “judges” (or in Hebrew “shofet) or “chieftains” In the Book of Judges the Israelites are regularly oppressed by their neighbors including the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Amalekites. So, what happens is the people start to prosper and become rich and proud and begin to worship other gods and forget their god (the god of Israel) and whereas god can’t control his own people he will call in outsiders to humble his people and make them turn back to him. So, what does this say about the only true all powerful god? Free will, God doesn't want robots. And that when people have it good, they always screw it up. Not God's fault at all, its theirs...
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Post by maryhig on Jan 6, 2023 19:20:40 GMT -5
Creation can't just appear, we've been created by a creator which is God. It makes more sense to believe that God is there than not to, everything can't just materialise from nothing. And if there was a big bang then God was behind it. You are speaking about the god of the gaps. God of the gaps reasoning occurs when a scientific unknown (a gap) is used to argue for the existence of God. Atheists criticise God of the Gaps because science is slowing filling the gaps, making God unnecessary, they say. Many theists share this objection, believing that God is found in all of his creation, not just in the gaps in our knowledge. And yes, there is much thought on something from nothing. The one I feel has promise is that a black hole in another dimension leaks material into ours. There is no gaps, I've read about dark matter and how scientists can't yet work it out, it may be dark to them, but for those who know God there is no darkness and we know that it's God that holds everything together.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 6, 2023 23:04:08 GMT -5
According to the Bible period prior to the reign of their kings, the Isrelites were divided into tribes led by “judges” (or in Hebrew “shofet) or “chieftains” In the Book of Judges the Israelites are regularly oppressed by their neighbors including the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Amalekites. So, what happens is the people start to prosper and become rich and proud and begin to worship other gods and forget their god (the god of Israel) and whereas god can’t control his own people he will call in outsiders to humble his people and make them turn back to him. So, what does this say about the only true all powerful god? Free will, God doesn't want robots. And that when people have it good, they always screw it up. Not God's fault at all, its theirs... But you imaginary God made people the way they are. My imaginary God isint a tosser like your one.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 6, 2023 23:13:31 GMT -5
Sorry to argue against that Christianity is one religion. This has never been true even from the beginning. The following is not limited to the 2x2 fellowship. I think it can be found in all religious groups. A knock on your door and people telling you about the one true god that if you don’t join in their worship, you will face burning in hell fire for all time. And then consider that these very same people are locked into a paradigm that keeps them from accepting new information. What information you might ask? Well, how about the fact that their one true god once had a wife. She is mentioned all throughout the Old Testament if one knows where to look. Yahweh once had a wife and children and belonged to a pantheon of fellow gods. A few related facts. Two families living mere few miles apart, but would they know that one of them are Jews and the other Canaanites. They both worship Yahweh but in different ways. One must remember that the priesthood would have been among the very few educated in the land, and it was these priests that put forth the official religious view that the lay folk would have ignored and continued worshiping as their forefathers or for some other obscure reason. And from village-to-village vast differences would have been observed with one exception: They all accepted Yahweh as the god of their people, but they knew elsewhere there were other gods. While not directly related to my point above some may find it helps define the problem: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1TN-i0x7gEven 2x2 across the same town can't agree on wether the TV should be in the wardrobe or not. I know of one town where 2x2's are assigned to Sunday meetings according to their differing thoughts on some matter. What to do?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 23:19:06 GMT -5
Free will, God doesn't want robots. And that when people have it good, they always screw it up. Not God's fault at all, its theirs... But you imaginary God made people the way they are. My imaginary God isint a tosser like your one. God made people to follow him and put their own fleshly desires behind them. Satan takes great joy in corrupting that, and he's quite good at that...take a look around or even at yourself...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 6, 2023 23:22:47 GMT -5
Even 2x2 across the same town can't agree on wether the TV should be in the wardrobe or not. LOL, I might have to get BobWilliston our own in-house Francophile (frank O file) to back me up on this. There is a lot of word history packed into wardrobe. The word was borrowed by Middle-English speakers from a variant of Anglo-French garderobe. A combination of garder and robe, garderobe itself has been borrowed into English as a synonym of wardrobe. If the roots of garderobe look familiar, it is because they are the source of a number of different English words. Garder has given us the verbs guard and ward. And French robe, of course, is the source of the English robe and shares its own origins with the English verbs rob and reave (a synonym of plunder). If this connection seems odd, it might help to know that robe can be traced back to Germanic origins related to the Old High German words roub ("booty" or "looted clothing") and roubōn ("to rob"). Excellent.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 6, 2023 23:25:15 GMT -5
But you imaginary God made people the way they are. My imaginary God isint a tosser like your one. God made people to follow him and put their own fleshly desires behind them. . That's been tried. It always leads to either extinction, or conversion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 23:30:26 GMT -5
God made people to follow him and put their own fleshly desires behind them. . That's been tried. It always leads to either extinction, or conversion. Christianity has been going strong for 1900+ years now, what are you babbling about?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 6, 2023 23:35:00 GMT -5
That's been tried. It always leads to either extinction, or conversion. Christianity has been going strong for 1900+ years now, what are you babbling about? I wasn't talking about "Christianity" I was talking about the versions that fell for the "turning away from their lusts" requirement. Those always go extinct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 23:39:32 GMT -5
Christianity has been going strong for 1900+ years now, what are you babbling about? I wasn't talking about "Christianity" I was talking about the versions that fell for the "turning away from their lusts" requirement. Those always go extinct. That would include Christianity...going strong...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 6, 2023 23:45:39 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about "Christianity" I was talking about the versions that fell for the "turning away from their lusts" requirement. Those always go extinct. That would include Christianity...going strong... Where are all the denominations today that have practices no sex for anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 1:24:35 GMT -5
That would include Christianity...going strong... Where are all the denominations today that have practices no sex for anyone? Turning away from the flesh doesn't even come close to shutting down sex in marriage, sex is only forbidden outside marriage and the 1 man 1 woman design. You've taken a fundamentalist viewpoint here...
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 7, 2023 2:20:26 GMT -5
But you imaginary God made people the way they are. My imaginary God isint a tosser like your one. God made people to follow him and put their own fleshly desires behind them. Satan takes great joy in corrupting that, and he's quite good at that...take a look around or even at yourself... Dear old Satan, he always cops the sh!t from you guys for everything that goes wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 2:53:53 GMT -5
God made people to follow him and put their own fleshly desires behind them. Satan takes great joy in corrupting that, and he's quite good at that...take a look around or even at yourself... Dear old Satan, he always cops the sh!t from you guys for everything that goes wrong. There is only God(good) and Satan(evil) to choose from, if you think there is another way you are only fooling yourself.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 7, 2023 6:15:04 GMT -5
Everyone should know this speculation if you are a believer of not. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJPPID392mwThis is the best description on what Josephus was about, but perhaps the most important idea expressed is why Christians would fear to change anything old joe wrote.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 7, 2023 11:26:04 GMT -5
You are speaking about the god of the gaps. God of the gaps reasoning occurs when a scientific unknown (a gap) is used to argue for the existence of God. Atheists criticise God of the Gaps because science is slowing filling the gaps, making God unnecessary, they say. Many theists share this objection, believing that God is found in all of his creation, not just in the gaps in our knowledge. And yes, there is much thought on something from nothing. The one I feel has promise is that a black hole in another dimension leaks material into ours. There is no gaps, I've read about dark matter and how scientists can't yet work it out, it may be dark to them, but for those who know God there is no darkness and we know that it's God that holds everything together. You are not understanding Dark in the context with which you are saying you don't believe in it and besides I never mentioned Dark Matter! Dark Matter is a totally different issue from something from nothing.
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Post by snow on Jan 7, 2023 14:01:45 GMT -5
Creation can't just appear, we've been created by a creator which is God. It makes more sense to believe that God is there than not to, everything can't just materialise from nothing. And if there was a big bang then God was behind it. You are speaking about the god of the gaps. God of the gaps reasoning occurs when a scientific unknown (a gap) is used to argue for the existence of God. Atheists criticise God of the Gaps because science is slowing filling the gaps, making God unnecessary, they say. Many theists share this objection, believing that God is found in all of his creation, not just in the gaps in our knowledge. And yes, there is much thought on something from nothing. The one I feel has promise is that a black hole in another dimension leaks material into ours. And then there are scientists looking into the possibility of multiverse. www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html
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Post by snow on Jan 7, 2023 14:38:08 GMT -5
Everyone should know this speculation if you are a believer of not. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJPPID392mwThis is the best description on what Josephus was about, but perhaps the most important idea expressed is why Christians would fear to change anything old joe wrote. Very interesting view point of Josephus. I always thought he was more pro Roman and in a way that's what is being said here. That he felt that the Flavins were the Messiah is wild!
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 7, 2023 16:06:18 GMT -5
Dear old Satan, he always cops the sh!t from you guys for everything that goes wrong. There is only God(good) and Satan(evil) to choose from, if you think there is another way you are only fooling yourself. If you read your Bible without fear you would see that your god is very wicked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 17:35:24 GMT -5
There is only God(good) and Satan(evil) to choose from, if you think there is another way you are only fooling yourself. If you read your Bible without fear you would see that your god is very wicked. No believer reads their bible in fear. If you have that would be your problem...
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Post by guest8 on Jan 7, 2023 18:55:34 GMT -5
I think MrDobalina may of listened more in meetings than Wallie. The fear of God." ......"a God fearing people" " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" " the spirit of the fear of the Lord"/etc etc etc
You throw that away when reading the bible ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2023 20:06:54 GMT -5
I think MrDobalina may of listened more in meetings than Wallie. The fear of God." ......"a God fearing people" " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" " the spirit of the fear of the Lord"/etc etc etc You throw that away when reading the bible ? Without fear there can be no wisdom, it's been recorded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 21:25:37 GMT -5
I think MrDobalina may of listened more in meetings than Wallie. The fear of God." ......"a God fearing people" " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" " the spirit of the fear of the Lord"/etc etc etc You throw that away when reading the bible ? Not the fear he's talking about... Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Does that evoke fear? If so you are reading it wrong...
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Post by guest8 on Jan 7, 2023 21:40:37 GMT -5
I think MrDobalina may of listened more in meetings than Wallie. The fear of God." ......"a God fearing people" " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" " the spirit of the fear of the Lord"/etc etc etc You throw that away when reading the bible ? Not the fear he's talking about... Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Does that evoke fear? If so you are reading it wrong... What I do read is the bible contradicts itself often but that probably helps you out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 0:02:52 GMT -5
Not the fear he's talking about... Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Does that evoke fear? If so you are reading it wrong... What I do read is the bible contradicts itself often but that probably helps you out. Not if you read with understanding...
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 8, 2023 3:57:14 GMT -5
If you read your Bible without fear you would see that your god is very wicked. No believer reads their bible in fear. If you have that would be your problem... You're all so sh!t scared of saying something that gets you kicked into the burny put by the big guy.
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Post by guest8 on Jan 8, 2023 4:32:11 GMT -5
What I do read is the bible contradicts itself often but that probably helps you out. Not if you read with understanding... Well all things considered, I feel blessed.
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