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Post by Grant on Dec 31, 2022 16:33:04 GMT -5
In our State= Christian Assemblies of Australia,the name as vendor when the balance of :Their'Gonvention Ground was Austioned? Also when that name hit the media they changed it to 'Chritian Conventions of Australia' revoked when the Gov't legislated that any organization with any paedophile/rape victims they will be responsable for compensation to the victim!! They rushed to suddenly claim they were not an organization. And to cancel their Benevolent Welfare status the claiming a tax exemption because they cared for the needy,etc? If you said we had no property or name regardless to it being a terrible lie,no one would correct you,especially the 3x Trustees, A few years ago 2x Workers were jailed for their paedophile sins. As a victim,I could name both men/women in many numbers,so could others. Mention any of the above you were branded a trouble maker,if you kept it up you were judged and classed for excommunication,whick under the Irving 2x2 doctorine you are going to "hell" This is right isn't it? If you disagree they have you blinded also? Christianity is one Religion sadly divided,but an individuals relationship with God is their most important thing isn't it? Also a bit like the Etheopian Unic,how will I know unless somebody tells me? When we moved into a congregation of about 200 we have only come across 2x that had knowledge of the 2x2's and they reffered to them a Coonetites.Ones cousin back in the late 40's was belted by his father with a shovel when he found out he was homosexual that young man later entered into the 2x2 ministry. Not a false religion but a false doctrine,and the fact we were liars by default or knowledge,that was ministry accepted. And those who questioned it were branded trouble makers,think about it? A cousin wanted to return so entered a Convention ground. Tom Turner said Send him away a and tell him is brother is not welcomed either"THIS IS FACT",the prodical son was embraced on his return wasn't he? But under the 2x2's Irving doctrine the son would have been sent away and the selfritous son would have been embraced. Reason for leaving to have a more useful open walk with God and knowing the Holy Spirit as your guide and teacher. This is not a dolling but a fact.After you leave that lot they avouid you in the Street like a plague,if you do run into them try quoting a bit of edifying scripture encouragement,"Reaction"== ?? Unreadable. Needs some paragraphs.
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 31, 2022 23:46:55 GMT -5
Sorry,actually it was changed to Christian Conventions of Victoria. Magpie PS I added this to stop the nit pickers!!
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 31, 2022 23:58:56 GMT -5
ENUF,left school at 14 yrs went on the farm lived there,at 9 we got our first paraffin fridge at 15 we got electricity. Life was beautiful and all my school buddies that left around that age succeded with life in either work or in business (farming is also business). So if my diction is not politically correct it is you I feel sorry for? You sadly must lack tolerance,and proberably a 2x2 lack of compassion. PS Read it again "Slowly",cross reference it,even seek the Holy Spirits guidance if you need help,to understand it.
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Post by Grant on Jan 1, 2023 3:33:20 GMT -5
ENUF,left school at 14 yrs went on the farm lived there,at 9 we got our first paraffin fridge at 15 we got electricity. Life was beautiful and all my school buddies that left around that age succeded with life in either work or in business (farming is also business). So if my diction is not politically correct it is you I feel sorry for? You sadly must lack tolerance,and proberably a 2x2 lack of compassion. PS Read it again "Slowly",cross reference it,even seek the Holy Spirits guidance if you need help,to understand it. Adding paragraphs to make your post easier to read is not about being politically correct. You obviously do not want anyone to read your posts if you can't take a bit of advice. Your posts lack the Holy Spirit when you attack people as you do.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 1, 2023 18:34:04 GMT -5
ISLAM IS ONE RELIGION ALSO? BUT IS SERVERELY DIVIDED AS OTHERS,ISN'T IT?
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 1, 2023 18:36:48 GMT -5
Dear Enuf,you did pray and seek guidance from God before you re-read my post and gave your reply. Love Maggie
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 1, 2023 18:38:31 GMT -5
PS Enuf,then why did you read it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 18:39:26 GMT -5
ISLAM IS ONE RELIGION ALSO? BUT IS SERVERELY DIVIDED AS OTHERS,ISN'T IT? yeah, but only into less than 20 sects... christianity has close to 60,000....
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Post by guest8 on Jan 2, 2023 0:27:11 GMT -5
ENUF,left school at 14 yrs went on the farm lived there,at 9 we got our first paraffin fridge at 15 we got electricity. Life was beautiful and all my school buddies that left around that age succeded with life in either work or in business (farming is also business). So if my diction is not politically correct it is you I feel sorry for? You sadly must lack tolerance,and proberably a 2x2 lack of compassion. PS Read it again "Slowly",cross reference it,even seek the Holy Spirits guidance if you need help,to understand it. Hey, children understand what a paragraph is at 6-7 yrs of age . Enuf was not addressing diction. Diction is nothing to do with using a paragraph and certainly nothing to do with being politically correct. Probably, consideration to others reading on a pro-board, might hit the nail on the head. Try it Magpie, its actually not difficult to do.... you may even get some replies to your many posts as of late. p.s. -Enuf is not a 2x2. - Sorry you don't experience compassion as an ex. 'Maybe' its something to do with your own attitude to church members. Worth considering Magpie.
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Post by janj on Jan 3, 2023 21:17:25 GMT -5
Dear Enuf,you did pray and seek guidance from God before you re-read my post and gave your reply. Love Maggie Magpie Really-you are that special that people need to pray and seek Holy Spirit guidance to understand you posts? They are the most rambling, bitter posts on this forum, going over and over the same ancient stories that have obviously consumed you for years.You say that you have found something that you are happy in & that meets your needs-you posts dont reflect that. Move on and find peace. I think a better option would be to pray and seek the guidance of the holy spirit before writing your posts!!
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Post by guest8 on Jan 4, 2023 0:07:10 GMT -5
I agree with some of your comments, however.....I wouldn't recommend seeking the bastardized version of 'a holy spirit', expressed on this pro-board by certain so called christians.
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Post by mountain on Jan 4, 2023 6:13:00 GMT -5
ISLAM IS ONE RELIGION ALSO? BUT IS SERVERELY DIVIDED AS OTHERS,ISN'T IT? yeah, but only into less than 20 sects... christianity has close to 60,000....Are you talking about last week or this week?
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Post by mountain on Jan 4, 2023 6:23:29 GMT -5
In our State= Christian Assemblies of Australia,the name as vendor when the balance of :Their'Gonvention Ground was Austioned? Also when that name hit the media they changed it to 'Chritian Conventions of Australia' revoked when the Gov't legislated that any organization with any paedophile/rape victims they will be responsable for compensation to the victim!! They rushed to suddenly claim they were not an organization. And to cancel their Benevolent Welfare status the claiming a tax exemption because they cared for the needy,etc? If you said we had no property or name regardless to it being a terrible lie,no one would correct you,especially the 3x Trustees, A few years ago 2x Workers were jailed for their paedophile sins. As a victim,I could name both men/women in many numbers,so could others. Mention any of the above you were branded a trouble maker,if you kept it up you were judged and classed for excommunication,whick under the Irving 2x2 doctorine you are going to "hell" This is right isn't it? If you disagree they have you blinded also? Christianity is one Religion sadly divided,but an individuals relationship with God is their most important thing isn't it? Also a bit like the Etheopian Unic,how will I know unless somebody tells me? When we moved into a congregation of about 200 we have only come across 2x that had knowledge of the 2x2's and they reffered to them a Coonetites.Ones cousin back in the late 40's was belted by his father with a shovel when he found out he was homosexual that young man later entered into the 2x2 ministry. Not a false religion but a false doctrine,and the fact we were liars by default or knowledge,that was ministry accepted. And those who questioned it were branded trouble makers,think about it? A cousin wanted to return so entered a Convention ground. Tom Turner said Send him away a and tell him is brother is not welcomed either"THIS IS FACT",the prodical son was embraced on his return wasn't he? But under the 2x2's Irving doctrine the son would have been sent away and the selfritous son would have been embraced. Reason for leaving to have a more useful open walk with God and knowing the Holy Spirit as your guide and teacher. This is not a dolling but a fact.After you leave that lot they avouid you in the Street like a plague,if you do run into them try quoting a bit of edifying scripture encouragement,"Reaction"== ?? Unreadable. Needs some paragraphs. Mags, please don't take this the wrong way. Your post is like a three course meal all served on the same plate at the same time. Serve them up as separate courses (paragraphs). That way people can dine on your posts in a far more orderly and effective way. The way its being done is as unappealing to the reader (if its a fairly lengthy post, as above), as sitting down to three courses on the same plate at the same time. Try not to look at this as criticism but as constructive advice!
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Post by intelchips on Jan 4, 2023 10:04:52 GMT -5
because the good book tells us so. Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat_24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Gal_2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. and of course when they don't all speak the same thing on the same issues you got to say i smell a fish. then the hard work begins... What evidence surrounding the so called "good book" gives a researcher fact that are provable of lending themselves to repeats of the same result over and over thus proving them true or even elements of them true?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 15:03:29 GMT -5
yeah, but only into less than 20 sects... christianity has close to 60,000....Are you talking about last week or this week? take your pick...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 15:04:33 GMT -5
because the good book tells us so. Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat_24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Gal_2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. and of course when they don't all speak the same thing on the same issues you got to say i smell a fish. then the hard work begins... What evidence surrounding the so called "good book" gives a researcher fact that are provable of lending themselves to repeats of the same result over and over thus proving them true or even elements of them true? hence the warning to try the spirits....
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Post by mountain on Jan 4, 2023 15:40:13 GMT -5
Are you talking about last week or this week? take your pick... I need to go with last week. It's up near 70,000 this week.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 4, 2023 16:32:15 GMT -5
ENUF,left school at 14 yrs went on the farm lived there,at 9 we got our first paraffin fridge at 15 we got electricity. Life was beautiful and all my school buddies that left around that age succeded with life in either work or in business (farming is also business). So if my diction is not politically correct it is you I feel sorry for? You sadly must lack tolerance,and proberably a 2x2 lack of compassion. PS Read it again "Slowly",cross reference it,even seek the Holy Spirits guidance if you need help,to understand it. Cool, so it's our fault we can't read it. Thanks for confirming that.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 9:36:02 GMT -5
Sorry to argue against that Christianity is one religion. This has never been true even from the beginning. The following is not limited to the 2x2 fellowship. I think it can be found in all religious groups. A knock on your door and people telling you about the one true god that if you don’t join in their worship, you will face burning in hell fire for all time. And then consider that these very same people are locked into a paradigm that keeps them from accepting new information. What information you might ask? Well, how about the fact that their one true god once had a wife. She is mentioned all throughout the Old Testament if one knows where to look. Yahweh once had a wife and children and belonged to a pantheon of fellow gods. A few related facts. Two families living mere few miles apart, but would they know that one of them are Jews and the other Canaanites. They both worship Yahweh but in different ways. One must remember that the priesthood would have been among the very few educated in the land, and it was these priests that put forth the official religious view that the lay folk would have ignored and continued worshiping as their forefathers or for some other obscure reason. And from village-to-village vast differences would have been observed with one exception: They all accepted Yahweh as the god of their people, but they knew elsewhere there were other gods. While not directly related to my point above some may find it helps define the problem: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1TN-i0x7g
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Post by mrdobalina on Jan 6, 2023 14:35:14 GMT -5
Sorry to argue against that Christianity is one religion. This has never been true even from the beginning. The following is not limited to the 2x2 fellowship. I think it can be found in all religious groups. A knock on your door and people telling you about the one true god that if you don’t join in their worship, you will face burning in hell fire for all time. And then consider that these very same people are locked into a paradigm that keeps them from accepting new information. What information you might ask? Well, how about the fact that their one true god once had a wife. She is mentioned all throughout the Old Testament if one knows where to look. Yahweh once had a wife and children and belonged to a pantheon of fellow gods. A few related facts. Two families living mere few miles apart, but would they know that one of them are Jews and the other Canaanites. They both worship Yahweh but in different ways. One must remember that the priesthood would have been among the very few educated in the land, and it was these priests that put forth the official religious view that the lay folk would have ignored and continued worshiping as their forefathers or for some other obscure reason. And from village-to-village vast differences would have been observed with one exception: They all accepted Yahweh as the god of their people, but they knew elsewhere there were other gods. While not directly related to my point above some may find it helps define the problem: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1TN-i0x7gEven 2x2 across the same town can't agree on wether the TV should be in the wardrobe or not.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 14:46:14 GMT -5
Sorry to argue against that Christianity is one religion. This has never been true even from the beginning. The following is not limited to the 2x2 fellowship. I think it can be found in all religious groups. A knock on your door and people telling you about the one true god that if you don’t join in their worship, you will face burning in hell fire for all time. And then consider that these very same people are locked into a paradigm that keeps them from accepting new information. What information you might ask? Well, how about the fact that their one true god once had a wife. She is mentioned all throughout the Old Testament if one knows where to look. Yahweh once had a wife and children and belonged to a pantheon of fellow gods. A few related facts. Two families living mere few miles apart, but would they know that one of them are Jews and the other Canaanites. They both worship Yahweh but in different ways. One must remember that the priesthood would have been among the very few educated in the land, and it was these priests that put forth the official religious view that the lay folk would have ignored and continued worshiping as their forefathers or for some other obscure reason. And from village-to-village vast differences would have been observed with one exception: They all accepted Yahweh as the god of their people, but they knew elsewhere there were other gods. While not directly related to my point above some may find it helps define the problem: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1TN-i0x7gEven 2x2 across the same town can't agree on wether the TV should be in the wardrobe or not. LOL, I might have to get BobWilliston our own in-house Francophile (frank O file) to back me up on this. There is a lot of word history packed into wardrobe. The word was borrowed by Middle-English speakers from a variant of Anglo-French garderobe. A combination of garder and robe, garderobe itself has been borrowed into English as a synonym of wardrobe. If the roots of garderobe look familiar, it is because they are the source of a number of different English words. Garder has given us the verbs guard and ward. And French robe, of course, is the source of the English robe and shares its own origins with the English verbs rob and reave (a synonym of plunder). If this connection seems odd, it might help to know that robe can be traced back to Germanic origins related to the Old High German words roub ("booty" or "looted clothing") and roubōn ("to rob").
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Post by maryhig on Jan 6, 2023 18:10:16 GMT -5
Christianity is many denominations made by man to suit man. Jesus is the way, not a denomination or a religion, and his way is the way to follow and his way is to suit God not man. Paul said a true Jew is one circumcised of the heart.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
And this is true religion
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 18:12:22 GMT -5
Christianity is many denominations made by man to suit man. Jesus is the way, not a denomination or a religion, and his way is the way to follow and his way is to suit God not man. Paul said a true Jew is one circumcised of the heart. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. And this is true religion James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. And again, to be convincing you must define which god you are speaking of.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 6, 2023 18:22:53 GMT -5
Christianity is many denominations made by man to suit man. Jesus is the way, not a denomination or a religion, and his way is the way to follow and his way is to suit God not man. Paul said a true Jew is one circumcised of the heart. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. And this is true religion James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. And again, to be convincing you must define which god you are speaking of. The only true God who created everything.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 18:40:48 GMT -5
And again, to be convincing you must define which god you are speaking of. The only true God who created everything. Sorry, that doesn't work. Now you can discount all I have ever written on this board (and not hurt my feelings) but to gain the big picture view I have; I've stood on the shoulders of intellectual giants who more than deserve your respect. It is like I said above I fear you have fallen for a paradigm that won't allow you to except new information. I know in this world we find ourselves today say like the covid data, we don't know what to believe, but Bible history is not like that at all. With new research we are learning more daily. And to not accept any of it is to close yourself off from the truth
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Post by intelchips on Jan 6, 2023 18:43:18 GMT -5
According to the Bible period prior to the reign of their kings, the Isrelites were divided into tribes led by “judges” (or in Hebrew “shofet) or “chieftains”
In the Book of Judges the Israelites are regularly oppressed by their neighbors including the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Amalekites.
So, what happens is the people start to prosper and become rich and proud and begin to worship other gods and forget their god (the god of Israel) and whereas god can’t control his own people he will call in outsiders to humble his people and make them turn back to him.
So, what does this say about the only true all powerful god?
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Post by maryhig on Jan 6, 2023 18:53:01 GMT -5
The only true God who created everything. Sorry, that doesn't work. Now you can discount all I have ever written on this board (and not hurt my feelings) but to gain the big picture view I have; I've stood on the shoulders of intellectual giants who more than deserve your respect. It is like I said above I fear you have fallen for a paradigm that won't allow you to except new information. I know in this world we find ourselves today say like the covid data, we don't know what to believe, but Bible history is not like that at all. With new research we are learning more daily. And to not accept any of it is to close yourself off from the truth Creation can't just appear, we've been created by a creator which is God. It makes more sense to believe that God is there than not to, everything can't just materialise from nothing. And if there was a big bang then God was behind it.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 6, 2023 19:00:54 GMT -5
According to the Bible period prior to the reign of their kings, the Isrelites were divided into tribes led by “judges” (or in Hebrew “shofet) or “chieftains” In the Book of Judges the Israelites are regularly oppressed by their neighbors including the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Amalekites. So, what happens is the people start to prosper and become rich and proud and begin to worship other gods and forget their god (the god of Israel) and whereas god can’t control his own people he will call in outsiders to humble his people and make them turn back to him. So, what does this say about the only true all powerful god? That's not God, that's the lusts of the flesh, God doesn't make us do anything, we have free will and we can either live by the will of the flesh or live by the will of God and turn from doing wrong and do what's right in our lives. We have a choice in what we do in our lives daily, as Joshua said, choose you this day whom you serve. Those who truly belong to God will be humble and have his love in their hearts and they will care for others as they see the need.
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