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Post by Annan on Jul 1, 2021 9:35:32 GMT -5
Does this make any sense to anyone? The hubby's son-in-law calls himself a jack Mormon, saying that he doesn't believe in all the church teaches. The hubby's daughter-in-law doesn't believe the Pope should tell her whether to use birth control or not. Yeah, she's Catholic. Not married to the Mormon. In my opinion, if you don't practice the tenants, doctrine and dogma of your claimed religion, then you aren't that religion. Right? (Like when Nate spews his trinity and venus crap. He is NOT a 2x2.) It's all or nothing in my book. I don't get making claim to something that you obviously do not believe in. If you want to claim to being Christian, do so, just don't claim to a denomination that you don't believe in. Why this bugs me, I don't know. No, it doesn't make any sense... Most of the current workers and friends are NOT true 2x2s according to the early days workers belief, they taught and believed on the Trinity and Jesus is God, that is blasphemy for teaching Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God, and the Holy Spirit is a force or an it but these false teachings can be corrected. Jesus called the Holy Spirit, He and Acts 5 it said He is God, the third Person of the Trinity/Triune Godhead.
I am more 2x2s than many of the current workers and friends. 6/25/21 fixit/2x2 elder said: Nathan is not a Christian, because he believes God and Jesus live inside Venus and angels fly in and out on spaceships.
Simply because that’s what you believe doesn’t make it true. I don’t understand how you don’t understand that. You are a fake 2 x 2. You know it and I know it and everyone else knows it.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 1, 2021 11:55:50 GMT -5
Does this make any sense to anyone? The hubby's son-in-law calls himself a jack Mormon, saying that he doesn't believe in all the church teaches. The hubby's daughter-in-law doesn't believe the Pope should tell her whether to use birth control or not. Yeah, she's Catholic. Not married to the Mormon. In my opinion, if you don't practice the tenants, doctrine and dogma of your claimed religion, then you aren't that religion. Right? (Like when Nate spews his trinity and venus crap. He is NOT a 2x2.) It's all or nothing in my book. I don't get making claim to something that you obviously do not believe in. If you want to claim to being Christian, do so, just don't claim to a denomination that you don't believe in. Why this bugs me, I don't know. No, it doesn't make any sense... Most of the current workers and friends are NOT true 2x2s according to the early days workers belief, they taught and believed on the Trinity and Jesus is God, that is blasphemy for teaching Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God, and the Holy Spirit is a force or an it but these false teachings can be corrected. Jesus called the Holy Spirit, He and Acts 5 it said He is God, the third Person of the Trinity/Triune Godhead.
I am more 2x2s than many of the current workers and friends. 6/25/21 fixit/2x2 elder said: Nathan is not a Christian, because he believes God and Jesus live inside Venus and angels fly in and out on spaceships. ~~ Openingact34 wrote: Realistically, most Christians would consider your opposition to the trinity to be a much bigger blasphemy than Nathan's claims about Jesus's space station in hollow Venus. For most of modern history, it would have been the difference between being burned at the stake vs being flogged or tortured with hot irons. Even today, I suspect the exes and TLC crowd would have to admit that you are less Christian in doctrine. If you don't believe Jesus is God you go straight to hell per God's loving followers. Adding a few spaceships and six-fingered aliens into the gospel isn't a serious doctrinal issue by comparison. ** Hey, Witch why did you LEAVE out openingact34 post?
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Post by Annan on Jul 1, 2021 12:12:31 GMT -5
No, it doesn't make any sense... Most of the current workers and friends are NOT true 2x2s according to the early days workers belief, they taught and believed on the Trinity and Jesus is God, that is blasphemy for teaching Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God, and the Holy Spirit is a force or an it but these false teachings can be corrected. Jesus called the Holy Spirit, He and Acts 5 it said He is God, the third Person of the Trinity/Triune Godhead.
I am more 2x2s than many of the current workers and friends. 6/25/21 fixit/2x2 elder said: Nathan is not a Christian, because he believes God and Jesus live inside Venus and angels fly in and out on spaceships. ~~ Openingact34 wrote: Realistically, most Christians would consider your opposition to the trinity to be a much bigger blasphemy than Nathan's claims about Jesus's space station in hollow Venus. For most of modern history, it would have been the difference between being burned at the stake vs being flogged or tortured with hot irons. Even today, I suspect the exes and TLC crowd would have to admit that you are less Christian in doctrine. If you don't believe Jesus is God you go straight to hell per God's loving followers. Adding a few spaceships and six-fingered aliens into the gospel isn't a serious doctrinal issue by comparison. ** Hey, Witch why did you LEAVE out openingact34 post? Because I chose to. Problem?
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Post by verna on Jul 1, 2021 12:14:50 GMT -5
Does this make any sense to anyone? The hubby's son-in-law calls himself a jack Mormon, saying that he doesn't believe in all the church teaches. The hubby's daughter-in-law doesn't believe the Pope should tell her whether to use birth control or not. Yeah, she's Catholic. Not married to the Mormon. In my opinion, if you don't practice the tenants, doctrine and dogma of your claimed religion, then you aren't that religion. Right? (Like when Nate spews his trinity and venus crap. He is NOT a 2x2.) It's all or nothing in my book. I don't get making claim to something that you obviously do not believe in. If you want to claim to being Christian, do so, just don't claim to a denomination that you don't believe in. Why this bugs me, I don't know. This is an issue for me too Annan and yet it is a catch 22. Being someone who tries really hard to live my beliefs I have experienced the results of trying to follow the tenants to the “t”. It doesn’t end well. It seems to me that it is a requirement of being a healthy believer to be able to be moderate - to skirt the edges. This is something I lack. To me it is “halfhearted”. don’t know which is correct. “To be in the world but not of the world”. I’m only talking off the cuff. This is an ongoing issue for me. I would appreciate others weighing in - in a sincere manner I should add. I believe Jesus likely understood this (IMO). These days I find the most help with this in Buddhism.
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Post by Grant on Jul 1, 2021 12:50:36 GMT -5
No, it doesn't make any sense... Most of the current workers and friends are NOT true 2x2s according to the early days workers belief, they taught and believed on the Trinity and Jesus is God, that is blasphemy for teaching Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God, and the Holy Spirit is a force or an it but these false teachings can be corrected. Jesus called the Holy Spirit, He and Acts 5 it said He is God, the third Person of the Trinity/Triune Godhead.
I am more 2x2s than many of the current workers and friends. 6/25/21 fixit/2x2 elder said: Nathan is not a Christian, because he believes God and Jesus live inside Venus and angels fly in and out on spaceships. ~~ Openingact34 wrote: Realistically, most Christians would consider your opposition to the trinity to be a much bigger blasphemy than Nathan's claims about Jesus's space station in hollow Venus. For most of modern history, it would have been the difference between being burned at the stake vs being flogged or tortured with hot irons. Even today, I suspect the exes and TLC crowd would have to admit that you are less Christian in doctrine. If you don't believe Jesus is God you go straight to hell per God's loving followers. Adding a few spaceships and six-fingered aliens into the gospel isn't a serious doctrinal issue by comparison. ** Hey, Witch why did you LEAVE out openingact34 post? Opening Act plays games and as usual you fall for them. Why do you think he uses the name opening act? It's the first act of the show.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 1, 2021 13:53:35 GMT -5
** Hey, Witch why did you LEAVE out openingact34 post? Opening Act plays games and as usual you fall for them. Why do you think he uses the name opening act? It's the first act of the show. ** Haha... You are a crack pot. No, he is NOT playing game... He KNOWS exactly what he is doing in the smart way! Just like with Ram... So, people like you CAN'T attack them like a bunch of Crazy wolves hunting in packs.
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Post by speak on Jul 1, 2021 17:36:06 GMT -5
Why? You are joking? Can you imagine Jesus saying that? It's not Christlike. who said? I said Don't you tout yourself as being Christian? And don't know that there is nothing that is Holy is c...?
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Post by speak on Jul 1, 2021 17:38:39 GMT -5
Well that would make that worker very stupid indeed. He was one of the three most respected workers in our country during that period.. at least one of the other two had direct contact and letters I have read between him & William Irvine. I suppose even though I don't excuse it we are all fallible and prone to mistakes, hopefully he was apologetic.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 18:47:27 GMT -5
I said Don't you tout yourself as being Christian? And don't know that there is nothing that is Holy is c...? "I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont......
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 1, 2021 19:01:14 GMT -5
I said Don't you tout yourself as being Christian? And don't know that there is nothing that is Holy is c...? "I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont...... That reminds me of what Mahatma Ghandi said of the christian religion. "I like your christ. I do not like your christians" or words to that effect. At that stage I believe he was referring to British christians. He was most unhappy about how the British were treating India as a cash cow and milking it for all its worth. They exported millions of tonnes of food from India which caused a famine amongst the people causing millions to die.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 19:18:38 GMT -5
"I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont...... That reminds me of what Mahatma Ghandi said of the christian religion. "I like your christ. I do not like your christians" or words to that effect. At that stage I believe he was referring to British christians. He was most unhappy about how the British were treating India as a cash cow and milking it for all its worth. They exported millions of tonnes of food from India which caused a famine amongst the people causing millions to die. I don't think being a Christ follower is something that's announced. It's something that's observed, unfortunately the religion Christianity has made the "Religion" the observabale and turned it into its proclamation..... Religion isn't mentioned much in the scriptures.... Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. - James 1:26-27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:26-27&version=NIVIn this instance its observable, and has no appearance of bible bashing or converting people into verbal announcers!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 1, 2021 19:22:17 GMT -5
That reminds me of what Mahatma Ghandi said of the christian religion. "I like your christ. I do not like your christians" or words to that effect. At that stage I believe he was referring to British christians. He was most unhappy about how the British were treating India as a cash cow and milking it for all its worth. They exported millions of tonnes of food from India which caused a famine amongst the people causing millions to die. I don't think being a Christ follower is some that's announced. It's something that's observed, unfortunately the religion Christianity has made the "Religion" the observabale and turned it into its proclamation..... Religion isn't mentioned much in the scriptures.... Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. - James 1:26-27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:26-27&version=NIVIn this instance its observable, and has no appearance of bible bashing or converting people into verbal announcers! I would be interested to know when that was written.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 19:25:37 GMT -5
I don't think being a Christ follower is some that's announced. It's something that's observed, unfortunately the religion Christianity has made the "Religion" the observabale and turned it into its proclamation..... Religion isn't mentioned much in the scriptures.... Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. - James 1:26-27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:26-27&version=NIVIn this instance its observable, and has no appearance of bible bashing or converting people into verbal announcers! I would be interested to know when that was written. I think they say something like 30-50 year's after Christ 🤷♂️, I would think the latter, fundamentalist and proclaimers would say earlier.... here's another But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. - 1 Timothy 5:4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy5:4&version=NIV
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 19:42:32 GMT -5
I don't think being a Christ follower is some that's announced. It's something that's observed, unfortunately the religion Christianity has made the "Religion" the observabale and turned it into its proclamation..... Religion isn't mentioned much in the scriptures.... Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. - James 1:26-27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:26-27&version=NIVIn this instance its observable, and has no appearance of bible bashing or converting people into verbal announcers! I would be interested to know when that was written. as early as 44-49 AD...which would possibly make it the first book of the NT to be written...
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Post by speak on Jul 1, 2021 20:17:54 GMT -5
I said Don't you tout yourself as being Christian? And don't know that there is nothing that is Holy is c...? "I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont...... If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken.
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Post by fixit on Jul 1, 2021 20:40:04 GMT -5
Does this make any sense to anyone? The hubby's son-in-law calls himself a jack Mormon, saying that he doesn't believe in all the church teaches. The hubby's daughter-in-law doesn't believe the Pope should tell her whether to use birth control or not. Yeah, she's Catholic. Not married to the Mormon. In my opinion, if you don't practice the tenants, doctrine and dogma of your claimed religion, then you aren't that religion. Right? (Like when Nate spews his trinity and venus crap. He is NOT a 2x2.) It's all or nothing in my book. I don't get making claim to something that you obviously do not believe in. If you want to claim to being Christian, do so, just don't claim to a denomination that you don't believe in. Why this bugs me, I don't know. This is an issue for me too Annan and yet it is a catch 22. Being someone who tries really hard to live my beliefs I have experienced the results of trying to follow the tenants to the “t”. It doesn’t end well. It seems to me that it is a requirement of being a healthy believer to be able to be moderate - to skirt the edges. This is something I lack. To me it is “halfhearted”. don’t know which is correct. “To be in the world but not of the world”. I’m only talking off the cuff. This is an ongoing issue for me. I would appreciate others weighing in - in a sincere manner I should add. I believe Jesus likely understood this (IMO). These days I find the most help with this in Buddhism. Good question about something that's often poorly understood: “To be in the world but not of the world”. We have a human nature that's designed for this world but spiritually-minded people (not religiously-minded people) feed the divine within them that is not of this world.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 20:58:20 GMT -5
"I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont...... If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken. It's just slang.........I find it amusing you get all pious over slang but are happy to use pagan words and practices daily without even knowing.......... Name the Character in the scriptures who were well known for this hypocrisy......
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 1, 2021 21:10:44 GMT -5
If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken. It's just slang.........I find it amusing you get all pious over slang but are happy to use pagan words and practices daily without even knowing.......... Name the Character in the scriptures who were well known for this hypocrisy...... Cultural differences. In our country, Holy <anything> is regarded by the Christian Community as being blasphemous. I am not saying that is necessarily my view, but that is how the community views it, particularly the more fundamentalists among us. You would not say Holy <Cr.P> in front of a worker or Minister here without experiencing some form of pushback.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 21:18:35 GMT -5
"I said" Exactly......."you said"........If I say your participating in a cult it's final because "I said"....... It's slang....🙄 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holy%20crapHop off the pious train..... I will never boast Im a Christian as I may be associated with nut jobs, I used to think people will decide for themselves if I'm a Christ follower or not, but unfortunately proclaimed Christians have shifted the goal post and turned it into something ugly so regardless of what I am or how I act no one would really recognise a Christ follower because it had been redefined as something ugly by people using the bible as a weapon....... Touting "I'm a Christian" would ring alarm bells to the ever increasing many who dont...... If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken. we had a worker in a saskatchewan convention go over using slang in about 1991. using slang is just as bad as using the real words was my take away. either way i am doomed though i cuss like any of my fellow sailors do when PO'd....
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Post by nathan on Jul 1, 2021 21:48:27 GMT -5
** Hey, Witch why did you LEAVE out openingact34 post? Because I chose to. Problem? Yes, there is a problem... You are being a dishonest person.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 22:07:31 GMT -5
It's just slang.........I find it amusing you get all pious over slang but are happy to use pagan words and practices daily without even knowing.......... Name the Character in the scriptures who were well known for this hypocrisy...... Cultural differences. In our country, Holy <anything> is regarded by the Christian Community as being blasphemous. I am not saying that is necessarily my view, but that is how the community views it, particularly the more fundamentalists among us. You would not say Holy <Cr.P> in front of a worker or Minister here without experiencing some form of pushback. Yes I agree. But it's pure legalism and hypocrisy.
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Post by verna on Jul 1, 2021 22:12:21 GMT -5
This is an issue for me too Annan and yet it is a catch 22. Being someone who tries really hard to live my beliefs I have experienced the results of trying to follow the tenants to the “t”. It doesn’t end well. It seems to me that it is a requirement of being a healthy believer to be able to be moderate - to skirt the edges. This is something I lack. To me it is “halfhearted”. don’t know which is correct. “To be in the world but not of the world”. I’m only talking off the cuff. This is an ongoing issue for me. I would appreciate others weighing in - in a sincere manner I should add. I believe Jesus likely understood this (IMO). These days I find the most help with this in Buddhism. Good question about something that's often poorly understood: “To be in the world but not of the world”. We have a human nature that's designed for this world but spiritually-minded people (not religiously-minded people) feed the divine within them that is not of this world. Thx fixit. I’m trying to grasp the nuance. I think what you’re pointing out is that this quote is acknowledging that we are, in fact, part of the world- rather than discrediting that aspect as we tend to do. Am I understanding what you’re saying?
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 22:18:41 GMT -5
If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken. we had a worker in a saskatchewan convention go over using slang in about 1991. using slang is just as bad as using the real words was my take away. either way i am doomed though i cuss like any of my fellow sailors do when PO'd.... Have a original thought ......not a stale recycled one.....
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Post by fixit on Jul 1, 2021 22:58:40 GMT -5
Good question about something that's often poorly understood: “To be in the world but not of the world”. We have a human nature that's designed for this world but spiritually-minded people (not religiously-minded people) feed the divine within them that is not of this world. Thx fixit. I’m trying to grasp the nuance. I think what you’re pointing out is that this quote is acknowledging that we are, in fact, part of the world- rather than discrediting that aspect as we tend to do. Am I understanding what you’re saying? I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.
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Post by verna on Jul 1, 2021 23:07:26 GMT -5
Thx fixit. I’m trying to grasp the nuance. I think what you’re pointing out is that this quote is acknowledging that we are, in fact, part of the world- rather than discrediting that aspect as we tend to do. Am I understanding what you’re saying? I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. Thankyou for your efforts. I will read it a few more times to digest it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 1, 2021 23:23:57 GMT -5
Thx fixit. I’m trying to grasp the nuance. I think what you’re pointing out is that this quote is acknowledging that we are, in fact, part of the world- rather than discrediting that aspect as we tend to do. Am I understanding what you’re saying? I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. Romans 8.5 is why I have no problem at all with nudity.
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Post by chuck on Jul 1, 2021 23:33:30 GMT -5
verna fixitLook at it from the writer's perspective.... Who were they calling wordly at the time?. and what character were they displaying?. What was happening that they would call someone wordly?.
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Post by verna on Jul 1, 2021 23:35:50 GMT -5
Thx fixit. I’m trying to grasp the nuance. I think what you’re pointing out is that this quote is acknowledging that we are, in fact, part of the world- rather than discrediting that aspect as we tend to do. Am I understanding what you’re saying? I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. Fixit just noticing that this does not sound like the King James Version I am accustomed to. Do you use a different version? I’m not familiar with 2x2s using a different version. Is this a new thing. What version do you use? (Not being critical- just asking)
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