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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 0:02:29 GMT -5
I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. Fixit just noticing that this does not sound like the King James Version I am accustomed to. Do you use a different version? I’m not familiar with 2x2s using a different version. Is this a new thing. What version do you use? (Not being critical- just asking) the source for 2x2 bibles no longer just sells the KJV they also sell the ESV, NASB, NIV, and NRSV. after talking to a worker about that its KJV for most of america 2x2ism and NIV for the rest of the world 2x2ism give or take....folks around me even some of the old timers that are left use BOTH the KJV and the NIV...even had one sunday where someone brought a kindle with the bible on it to meeting have no idea what version it was though...
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Post by fixit on Jul 2, 2021 0:11:03 GMT -5
I'm still feeling my way on all this but I'll try. The way I see it, we were created in God's image in the sense that there's a spiritual part of us that is from him. Other than that we have a mammal body designed to fit us for life in this world, referred to as "the flesh" in the bible. The human body is amazing, but no more amazing than the reast of creation. Its not our bodies that were made in God's image, but rather its the spiritual part of us. Religion has made "the flesh" a bad thing, but it's the part of us that is designed to fit us for this world. The flesh has it's place but spiritual people keep it in its place and don't let it control them. Romans 8 covers it quite well and I need to give it more thought... Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. Fixit just noticing that this does not sound like the King James Version I am accustomed to. Do you use a different version? I’m not familiar with 2x2s using a different version. Is this a new thing. What version do you use? (Not being critical- just asking) I prefer not to use KJV. I use NKJ for meetings. I quoted NLT but here's the KJV... Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 0:33:14 GMT -5
Fixit just noticing that this does not sound like the King James Version I am accustomed to. Do you use a different version? I’m not familiar with 2x2s using a different version. Is this a new thing. What version do you use? (Not being critical- just asking) I prefer not to use KJV. I use NKJ for meetings. I quoted NLT but here's the KJV... Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. fixit is good people. As is Pragmatic. Are you stateside Verna? In the midwest US it is no longer such a big deal to use other translations. I think the Western US might be more strict on this (unspoken) "rule that's not a rule but you'll follow if you're strong and wise in the T/truth".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 0:42:49 GMT -5
If you think Holy anything is just slang then you are sadly mistaken. we had a worker in a saskatchewan convention go over using slang in about 1991. using slang is just as bad as using the real words was my take away. either way i am doomed though i cuss like any of my fellow sailors do when PO'd.... Interestingly, studies have shown people who curse tend to be more honest. ( phys.org/news/2017-01-links-honesty.html ) I'm guessing that it has to do with less pretense and self-censorship, for the purpose of appearing better to other people. I respect people like this.
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Post by verna on Jul 2, 2021 0:50:52 GMT -5
I prefer not to use KJV. I use NKJ for meetings. I quoted NLT but here's the KJV... Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. fixit is good people. As is Pragmatic. Are you stateside Verna? In the midwest US it is no longer such a big deal to use other translations. I think the Western US might be more strict on this (unspoken) "rule that's not a rule but you'll follow if you're strong and wise in the T/truth". I’m in western Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 0:57:39 GMT -5
fixit is good people. As is Pragmatic. Are you stateside Verna? In the midwest US it is no longer such a big deal to use other translations. I think the Western US might be more strict on this (unspoken) "rule that's not a rule but you'll follow if you're strong and wise in the T/truth". I’m in western Canada. That'd probably do it. The "truth is strong" in Canada (translation - people do what they're "supposed" to do).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 1:00:51 GMT -5
we had a worker in a saskatchewan convention go over using slang in about 1991. using slang is just as bad as using the real words was my take away. either way i am doomed though i cuss like any of my fellow sailors do when PO'd.... Interestingly, studies have shown people who curse tend to be more honest. ( phys.org/news/2017-01-links-honesty.html ) I'm guessing that it has to do with less pretense and self-censorship, for the purpose of appearing better to other people. I respect people like this. interesting...where i did work we had a "scream room" you could go in there and just scream or launch into a cussing tirade...and it was considered a good thing....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 1:09:13 GMT -5
Interestingly, studies have shown people who curse tend to be more honest. ( phys.org/news/2017-01-links-honesty.html ) I'm guessing that it has to do with less pretense and self-censorship, for the purpose of appearing better to other people. I respect people like this. interesting...where i did work we had a "scream room" you could go in there and just scream or launch into a cussing tirade...and it was considered a good thing.... Not a bad idea!
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Post by speak on Jul 2, 2021 1:39:05 GMT -5
fixit is good people. As is Pragmatic. Are you stateside Verna? In the midwest US it is no longer such a big deal to use other translations. I think the Western US might be more strict on this (unspoken) "rule that's not a rule but you'll follow if you're strong and wise in the T/truth". I’m in western Canada. Have brother in Calgary
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2021 2:58:10 GMT -5
Case in point. This folks is one of the classic answers. Missed the point entirely. There has got to be a better way!!! Is this the only tool of the trade? “Leave if you like but it’s hell for you”. Try as I may I cannot see how this is Christlike. Baffling. Christ is the best way. he never held back on speaking the truth why should we? Because WE are not equal to him.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 2, 2021 3:05:46 GMT -5
Christ is the best way. he never held back on speaking the truth why should we? Because WE are not equal to him. Howeverm from what I read on here quite frequently it makes me wonder.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 2, 2021 3:41:59 GMT -5
He was one of the three most respected workers in our country during that period.. at least one of the other two had direct contact and letters I have read between him & William Irvine. I suppose even though I don't excuse it we are all fallible and prone to mistakes, hopefully he was apologetic. He was at it all day, it wasn't like it was a one off thing. Good on him, I'd see him off 10 to one for that kind of thing today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 5:57:54 GMT -5
Christ is the best way. he never held back on speaking the truth why should we? Because WE are not equal to him. WE are suppose to be like him....
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Post by nathan on Jul 2, 2021 8:54:25 GMT -5
Because WE are not equal to him. WE are suppose to be like him.... Amen, the students are NOT above the master... to follow the master's teachings and examples. We can't never be like the master but we can try our best to be like Him in all things.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2021 14:36:44 GMT -5
Because WE are not equal to him. WE are suppose to be like him.... But he was part divine....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 14:54:36 GMT -5
WE are suppose to be like him.... But he was part divine.... Gotta work really really hard... and always end up failing (lest someone succeed and become a second Christ)... mysterious ways!
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Post by mountain on Jul 2, 2021 14:56:00 GMT -5
WE are suppose to be like him.... But he was part divine.... We are clearly told to be partakers of the divine nature which also makes us divine. You can't express the divine nature without being divine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 15:16:04 GMT -5
WE are suppose to be like him.... But he was part divine.... stlll doesn't change that we are told we are suppose to be like him...
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Post by verna on Jul 2, 2021 15:20:29 GMT -5
But he was part divine.... Gotta work really really hard... and always end up failing (lest someone succeed and become a second Christ)... mysterious ways! Seems to me, with Christianity, you can’t win for losing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2021 0:41:06 GMT -5
But he was part divine.... We are clearly told to be partakers of the divine nature which also makes us divine. You can't express the divine nature without being divine. I've not met anyone with a "divine" nature.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 0:55:49 GMT -5
We are clearly told to be partakers of the divine nature which also makes us divine. You can't express the divine nature without being divine. I've not met anyone with a "divine" nature. I have. But that's another story.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2021 1:09:26 GMT -5
I've not met anyone with a "divine" nature. I have. But that's another story. Makes one smile, doesn't it?
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Post by mountain on Jul 3, 2021 2:01:34 GMT -5
We are clearly told to be partakers of the divine nature which also makes us divine. You can't express the divine nature without being divine. I've not met anyone with a "divine" nature. You haven't met a true Christian then? Here's what Peter said: 2 Peter 1:3-4 King James Version 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.Jesus exhorted us to be Holy as God is Holy. The Apostle Jock tells us: John 1:12-17 King James Version 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. The term divine as perceived by the Christian majority is a pagan concept, belonging to the many unreachable false gods. In reality divinity is the character of God which is expressed through his chosen ones. Those who receive the Spirit of God express his divinity through their new born nature and are thus divine (or Holy as he is Holy). God desires that we become part of him, not separate from him. We are his children through being born again and through the indwelling Holy Spirit we inherit his divine character. (Virgs)
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