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Post by fixit on May 18, 2021 19:22:27 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people. We should always concentrate on our own life, get it right, that will have an influence for good on others. I agree with the above. I don't agree that Divinity college is necessary for workers. It fills people's heads with religious theory and man-made doctrine.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 18, 2021 19:23:48 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. To be honest, I am not seeing any evidence of the old style "hellfire and brimstone" preaching and attitudes these days.
We are seeing compassionate, empathetic workers who reach out. The days of young workers being uneducated, and going straight "from the farm to the work" and then naively trying to change the world then collapsing in a heap when their idealism is replaced with reality, is also a figment of the past from what I am seeing, here in NZ. I can't speak for elsewhere.
And in talking with some younger workers, they are very much aware of who they are and what they are about, and have a "peace" about them.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 18, 2021 19:26:05 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people. We should always concentrate on our own life, get it right, that will have an influence for good on others. I agree with the above. I don't agree that Divinity college is necessary for workers. It fills people's heads with religious theory and man-made doctrine. Truth of the matter is that MOST products of divinity schools end up ignoring a whole lot they have learned in "religious studies" classes. They have "clients" to please, after all.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 19:30:11 GMT -5
I am so glad that the bad old days are behind us. I am aware that what Prags has said, is also the situation in Australia. Good that it has happened.
Not sure that those rules made by the early Workers were not man-made doctrine.
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Post by intelchips on May 18, 2021 19:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2021 19:55:04 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people. We should always concentrate on our own life, get it right, that will have an influence for good on others. I agree with the above. I don't agree that Divinity college is necessary for workers. It fills people's heads with religious theory and man-made doctrine. How is that different from the bible
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Post by speak on May 18, 2021 19:58:46 GMT -5
Come on curly do you judge before you even know them. Sort of not very nice now. Poor kids! Remember they are victims as well.
After all they were indoctrinated into a house of cards which they believe has a firm foundation. Do you think your father was a poor kid?
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Post by speak on May 18, 2021 20:01:49 GMT -5
Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people. We should always concentrate on our own life, get it right, that will have an influence for good on others. I like the Buddhist idea, always concentrate on improving yourself,spend your time doing that. Think the Christian idea that you can do wrong, just go to Church on Sunday, ask forgiveness, all good. IMO a false dichotomy. They are not going out to change anybody, their role specifically is to tell/spread the Gospel story.
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Post by speak on May 18, 2021 20:07:41 GMT -5
I am so glad that the bad old days are behind us. I am aware that what Prags has said, is also the situation in Australia. Good that it has happened. Not sure that those rules made by the early Workers were not man-made doctrine. If you were aware of what prags has said and it is also the situation in Australia why did you find it necessary to write this [ Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives]? [Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people]? If you knew it was not the case now, I just don't understand why.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 20:11:30 GMT -5
Do they still preach, "Come ye out and be a seperate people". If so, to me that is changing people.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 20:13:55 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. didn't seem to bother Christ to talk about both destinations for people. why should it bother us to do the same...its best to speak about the realities of life now and the next one to come so people are fully informed as to who, what, why, how and where..... those that don't want to talk about it are either in denial and/or have a seriously guilty conscience...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 20:22:33 GMT -5
We were not there 2000 years ago, so we can't be sure if it was talked about or not. Could be just hearsay, false news has always been about.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 18, 2021 20:25:55 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. To be honest, I am not seeing any evidence of the old style "hellfire and brimstone" preaching and attitudes these days. We are seeing compassionate, empathetic workers who reach out. The days of young workers being uneducated, and going straight "from the farm to the work" and then naively trying to change the world then collapsing in a heap when their idealism is replaced with reality, is also a figment of the past from what I am seeing, here in NZ. I can't speak for elsewhere. And in talking with some younger workers, they are very much aware of who they are and what they are about, and have a "peace" about them.
At least I am glad those things has changed.
I noticed a name on that list of new workers which was very well known to me. No doubt they were related to that same person who was also a worker when I knew them.
That worker became extremely upset when that they found out about the *TRUTH* did not go all the way back to the "shores of Galilee."
The earlier workers who kept that knowledge from being known have a lot to answer for.
I can't help but believe that the reason that deception was "allowed " to continue to exist as long as it did was because it gave those workers a lot of power over people!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 20:27:32 GMT -5
We were not there 2000 years ago, so we can't be sure if it was talked about or not. Could be just hearsay, false news has always been about. well even in your ripe old age of 82? you haven't been around for most of history. must be all hearsay and false news then right?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 18, 2021 20:31:08 GMT -5
Why do people get the idea that they must go out and change other people. We should always concentrate on our own life, get it right, that will have an influence for good on others. I like the Buddhist idea, always concentrate on improving yourself,spend your time doing that. Think the Christian idea that you can do wrong, just go to Church on Sunday, ask forgiveness, all good. IMO a false dichotomy. They are not going out to change anybody, their role specifically is to tell/spread the Gospel story. Sorry, but if it does not "change anyone," -why bother to "spread the gospel?"
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 20:53:10 GMT -5
Reading a really good book art the moment. Every Human should read it. Available from Amazon.
12 Rules for Living a Better Life By: Reverend Bill Crews
Published: 5th May 2021 ISBN: 9781460759271
Product Description
A straight-talking, uplifting and inspiring guide to living a better life and becoming a better human being - through compassion, tolerance, acceptance and love - from one our very best, most authentic and genuine people, the Reverend Bill Crews.
He's been named one of Australia's 100 most influential people, yet he's often considered a thorn in the side of his own church. He's a fierce campaigner against poker machine gambling yet it was the proceeds of a horse race that first established his soup kitchen that now feeds thousands across the city. His Sunday-night radio show is the most widely listened to across the nation, but he often makes the news himself. He is a 75-year-old minister and regularly inspires news article headlines that read: 'What if we were all like Bill Crews?' He is the epitome of compassion and often controversial. He is Bill Crews, the charismatic shepherd of Ashfield in Sydney's inner-west.
Bill has spent his entire adult life in the service of others, giving a voice to the truly voiceless, be they prostitutes on the streets of Sydney's Kings Cross, refugees fleeing ISIS in a shanty-town camp in Northern France, or Korean women abused during WWII. Bill Crews has spent an unfathomable amount of hours on the frontline of life with the marginalised, disenfranchised and the abandoned.
This book is for the secular and the spiritual alike; it's for those who believe and those who don't, won't or can't. It's a much-needed and timely manifesto on being a better human and how to pay it forward. It's bottled wisdom - to help us all live a better life.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 18, 2021 21:03:37 GMT -5
Poor kids! Remember they are victims as well.
After all they were indoctrinated into a house of cards which they believe has a firm foundation. Do you think your father was a poor kid? YES! Absolutely! He was quite young, -in his early twenties and newly professed!
Believing that all those poor souls who didn't hear the "true" gospel would be doomed to an eternal hell!
Hearing over & over again that what he heard was the "true" gospel that went all the way back to the "shores of the Sea Galilee and all those other poor people going to other churches were doomed to a lost eternity.
At that age when so many young people are the same. Filled with the idea that the most important thing he could do in life was to spread the truth of God!
So yes, -in so many ways he WAS a poor deluded child.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 21:05:25 GMT -5
Quote nathan02 "The workers have their own grapevine so does the friends, they are keeping each others in line" A better way of putting it would be because 2x2's have so little in their lives they spend most of their time gossiping about one another. If you are an "A" list person Workers will share the gossip with you. If you are at the bottom of the pile then the gossip will be about you. Gossip is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Spreading malicious rumors will not only hurt the subject of the gossip, it makes you look bad in a rude and immature kind of way. It also makes the person or people you're talking to uncomfortable, or at least it should. 2x2s is like a BIG family, most people like to gossips about one another because some do care of so and so and they want to KNOW whatever happens to so and so, others just like to gossips and cause trouble. I have seen and witnessed both classes inside the fellowship for over 40 years.
I try to tell the truth with grace... That I care about people NOT try to cause trouble for anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 21:14:32 GMT -5
Don't gossip. If you gossip, people assume you talk about them too when they're not around. So they don't trust you. Gossip drags a relationship through the mud, soiling it and debasing it. Gossip destroys trust and kills relationships.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 21:16:32 GMT -5
Telling people that they are destined for Hell, is not the way to win friends and have influence in their lives. Compassion and understanding is the better way. Compassion is to recognize the suffering of others and then take action to help. Compassion embodies a tangible expression of love for those who are suffering. didn't seem to bother Christ to talk about both destinations for people. why should it bother us to do the same...its best to speak about the realities of life now and the next one to come so people are fully informed as to who, what, why, how and where..... those that don't want to talk about it are either in denial and/or have a seriously guilty conscience... Amen, Wally.... Christ revealed the Picture of Heaven and Hell (Luke 16) in the gospel that He preached to give the hearers the choice where they are heading without Him/(In Hades) as their Savior and with Him as their Savior in heaven. Ying and Yang = A Well balance gospel message.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 21:25:24 GMT -5
Don't gossip. If you gossip, people assume you talk about them too when they're not around. So they don't trust you. Gossip drags a relationship through the mud, soiling it and debasing it. Gossip destroys trust and kills relationships. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:10-11 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
~~ Do you think some of the house at Chloe's were gossiping to Paul? I don't believe so. They care about God's people and they tried to share with Paul their concerns and hoping he was able to help with many of the problems they had in the church at Corinth. Through some members of Chloe's concerns, now we have TWO beautifully letters of Paul I and II Corinthians, which addressed many of the issues, problems within the churches of God in that area.
They saved one man who had a sexual relationship with his step-mother and thought it was fine. Paul encouraged the church to welcome him back in the fellowship AFTER he had repented of his sin.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 21:49:20 GMT -5
Don't gossip. If you gossip, people assume you talk about them too when they're not around. So they don't trust you. Gossip drags a relationship through the mud, soiling it and debasing it. Gossip destroys trust and kills relationships. a forum is the perfect place for gossip to breed and feed...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 21:52:07 GMT -5
Don't gossip. If you gossip, people assume you talk about them too when they're not around. So they don't trust you. Gossip drags a relationship through the mud, soiling it and debasing it. Gossip destroys trust and kills relationships. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:10-11 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
~~ Do you think some of the house at Chloe's were gossiping to Paul? I don't believe so. They care about God's people and they tried to share with Paul their concerns and hoping he was able to help with many of the problems they had in the church at Corinth. Through some members of Chloe's concerns, now we have TWO beautifully letters of Paul I and II Corinthians, which addressed many of the issues, problems within the churches of God in that area.
They saved one man who had a sexual relationship with his step-mother and thought it was fine. Paul encouraged the church to welcome him back in the fellowship AFTER he had repented of his sin.
it is kind of a fine line though between gossip, tattletales and real concern...
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Post by speak on May 18, 2021 21:52:31 GMT -5
Do they still preach, "Come ye out and be a seperate people". If so, to me that is changing people. 2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. Will you go into a prison and remain or will you come out and be separate, my guess is you will come out and separate yourself from them. All very well to have high ideals about others when more than likely you would do the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 22:14:07 GMT -5
Gossip is unconstrained and often derogatory conversation about other people, and can involve betraying a confidence and spreading sensitive information or hurtful judgments.
Can't say I have seen much of that on TMB, we try to be nice to each other, insult with dignity. Normally about beliefs, ideas, things, not about an individual person. As 2x2's it was about a person.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 22:19:28 GMT -5
Gossip is unconstrained and often derogatory conversation about other people, and can involve betraying a confidence and spreading sensitive information or hurtful judgments. Can't say I have seen much of that on TMB, we try to be nice to each other, insult with dignity. Normally about beliefs, ideas, things, not about an individual person. As 2x2's it was about a person. ummm gossip just doesn't have to be about those on TMB it can be about those off TMB...plenty of that has happened...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 22:51:19 GMT -5
Well perhaps we should stop doing it. Probably too much American politics.
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Post by Lee on May 18, 2021 22:57:51 GMT -5
I broke from the 2x2 tradition. I’m looking for more political cultural coherence in any community I meet with.
2x2s present as having all political cultural issues ironed out, or not mattering, pursuant to an offshore dream of heaven.
News... they are inside the tribulation like the rest of us.
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